MoonCoin Message I discovered, not many saw this?

WiseOldOwl

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Quote from: error on October 04, 2011, 10:50:48 AM

Quote from: payb.tc on October 04, 2011, 08:49:33 AM

Quote from: lightlord on October 04, 2011, 02:31:39 AM

Quote from: Andrew Bitcoiner on September 28, 2011, 12:47:44 AM

Guilty until proven innocent.

Just curious though; isn't it the other way around in courts? Innocent into proven guilty?

it used to be.

but try asking a suspected terrorist or pedophile if that's how the courts works today.

Ask any retiree who was driving cross country with their life savings and had the cops seize it.

Wow that would suck,
That is a situation I never thought of, but I guess I knew it was possible.

error

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Quote from: payb.tc on October 04, 2011, 08:49:33 AM

Quote from: lightlord on October 04, 2011, 02:31:39 AM

Quote from: Andrew Bitcoiner on September 28, 2011, 12:47:44 AM

Guilty until proven innocent.

Just curious though; isn't it the other way around in courts? Innocent into proven guilty?

it used to be.

but try asking a suspected terrorist or pedophile if that's how the courts works today.

Ask any retiree who was driving cross country with their life savings and had the cops seize it.

payb.tc

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Quote from: lightlord on October 04, 2011, 02:31:39 AM

Quote from: Andrew Bitcoiner on September 28, 2011, 12:47:44 AM

Guilty until proven innocent.

Just curious though; isn't it the other way around in courts? Innocent into proven guilty?

it used to be.

but try asking a suspected terrorist or pedophile if that's how the courts works today.

elggawf

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Quote from: ?? on ??

You can choose to only use Bitcoin in person if you wish, just like cash.

In which case ignoring the economic properties of it, it's a whole lot more of a PITA than cash (at the moment anyway). I get where you're going, don't get me wrong... but it's tangential to the discussion at hand: Bitcoin is a scammer's dream because many of the things that make it attractive to many of us also make it attractive to the do-no-gooders. Figure out how to solve that and you're set to make a bundle.

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Quote from: Andrew Bitcoiner on September 28, 2011, 12:47:44 AM

Guilty until proven innocent.

Just curious though; isn't it the other way around in courts? Innocent into proven guilty?

sadpandatech

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Quote from: Phinnaeus Gage on September 28, 2011, 07:46:29 AM

Is mrmoon.com a different Mr. Moon?

wayyyyyy different people. Mrmoon.com is Mr. Falla, graduated HS in 1968. almost 20 years before our moon was born. No relation in son names, locations, etc either.

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Quote from: elggawf on September 28, 2011, 08:50:04 AM

Quote from: Alex Zee on September 28, 2011, 02:53:13 AM

Cash is the scammer's dream too?

For someone to rip you off in person, they have to make an escape before you realize you've been had.

With Bitcoin, they're already gone before you sent the cash.

Also, the average bitcoin devotee is typically more gullible about BTC than most people are with cash.

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Quote from: Alex Zee on September 28, 2011, 02:53:13 AM

Cash is the scammer's dream too?

For someone to rip you off in person, they have to make an escape before you realize you've been had.

With Bitcoin, they're already gone before you sent the cash.

Phinnaeus Gage

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Quote from: lightlord on September 27, 2011, 11:14:39 PM

http://pastie.org/2544332

"Mooncoin was hacked but I Mr Moon will never be able to prove it because my identity was completely hijacked. My accounts were deleted which made it so I could no longer maintain support for my site.

I believe this was because I maintained my solidcoin exchange. I personally did not want to side with anyone, I wanted to just build an exchange for digital currencies. My site became collateral damage in the childish drama that ensued. At the same time the chain forked, and there were threats of 51% attacks and I believe this is not random coincidence, I believe it this was a planned destruction of solidcoin.

The database was compromised but nearly all the passwords were stored in bcrypt so they should be safe. My home directory was trashed, but my backups only proved the wallets to be empty. I have been silent because to be honest I have had no idea of how to respond to this. This message itself will likely be ignored.

The project is still open if anyone wants to try to take it over and continue it.

Mr Moon"

Found this; i don't think many people saw this.
Sharing this to all of you.

Found this on http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/khv6v/mooncoin_was_hacked_the_database_has_been_leaked/

Compare this:

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The project is still open if anyone wants to try to take it over and continue it.

To this:

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After the claims have all been filed and dealt with we will be releasing the entire MyBitcoin processing engine into the public domain. Our only hope is that the community can improve and adapt the software to all sorts of new and interesting Bitcoin-related things.

Tom Williams

Is mrmoon.com a different Mr. Moon?

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Quote from: Nagle on September 28, 2011, 02:28:07 AM

Quote from: repentance on September 28, 2011, 12:53:58 AM

After all that's in the Bitcoin world over the last few months, why are people still so willing to do business with entities about whom they have no real life information?

That is my fundamental objection to the Bitcoin economy.

Bitcoin enables irrevocable unidirectional money transfers between anonymous parties. The Bitcoin fan base thinks that's a good idea. This is the scammer's dream.

I don't think it's a flaw of Bitcoin per se. I can do irrevocable, unidirectional transfers from my bank account to merchants too and in many cases I can do them without revealing my identity - when I pay for my groceries by EFTPOS at the supermarket the merchant doesn't receive identifying information about me. Likewise, I can order a lot of stuff online using just an order number and without disclosing my personal details. But I'm not going to transfer money from my bank account to the account of a merchant whose credentials I can't check in some way.

I think the trap people have been falling into is thinking that because they want to be their Bitcoin dealings to be somewhat it's not reasonable to ask that those offering goods or services provide information about themselves. Just because Bitcoin offers the potential for transactions to be mostly anonymous on both sides doesn't mean that it's vital or even desirable for most transactions to be conducted that way.

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Quote from: Nagle on September 28, 2011, 02:28:07 AM

Bitcoin enables irrevocable unidirectional money transfers between anonymous parties. The Bitcoin fan base thinks that's a good idea. This is the scammer's dream.

Cash is the scammer's dream too?

Give it time. There will appear services that do escrow or some other form of reversible transfers.

Nagle

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Quote from: repentance on September 28, 2011, 12:53:58 AM

After all that's in the Bitcoin world over the last few months, why are people still so willing to do business with entities about whom they have no real life information?

That is my fundamental objection to the Bitcoin economy.

Bitcoin enables irrevocable unidirectional money transfers between anonymous parties. The Bitcoin fan base thinks that's a good idea. This is the scammer's dream.

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There's been a bunch of discussion about that paste in other threads. See here for more digging on mr_moon and what happened.

repentance

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After all that's in the Bitcoin world over the last few months, why are people still so willing to do business with entities about whom they have no real life information?

Andrew Bitcoiner

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Send correspondance to GPG key A372E7C6

Guilty until proven innocent.

Gabi

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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat

Another hacking? Sorry but i don't believe it Roll Eyes

Ok, months ago that COULD happens, but today? Everyone know that if you make something bitcoin related you must expect to be hacked.
And yet you get hacked and everything? Roll Eyes

Suuuuuuure.

If it's true: if you are UNABLE to maintain a proper website, why did you do one??? I'm tired of children that come on bitcoin and "omg let's make a website" and in ten minutes put something together with Word and save it in .html

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Mr. Moon, Please send me a PM if you read this. I may have a way to prove your identity.

lightlord

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http://pastie.org/2544332

"Mooncoin was hacked but I Mr Moon will never be able to prove it because my identity was completely hijacked. My accounts were deleted which made it so I could no longer maintain support for my site.

I believe this was because I maintained my solidcoin exchange. I personally did not want to side with anyone, I wanted to just build an exchange for digital currencies. My site became collateral damage in the childish drama that ensued. At the same time the chain forked, and there were threats of 51% attacks and I believe this is not random coincidence, I believe it this was a planned destruction of solidcoin.

The database was compromised but nearly all the passwords were stored in bcrypt so they should be safe. My home directory was trashed, but my backups only proved the wallets to be empty. I have been silent because to be honest I have had no idea of how to respond to this. This message itself will likely be ignored.

The project is still open if anyone wants to try to take it over and continue it.

Mr Moon"

Found this; i don't think many people saw this.
Sharing this to all of you.

Found this on http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/khv6v/mooncoin_was_hacked_the_database_has_been_leaked/

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