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Quote from: AakZaki on February 13, 2022, 11:19:04 AM

Maybe they just felt the trajectory of the mandalika circuit for the first time. In addition, bad news about dirty circuits is also widely circulated in the local media. Maybe it also affects the performance of the bike and the riders. I hope it's just a natural factor and tomorrow on the series it won't actually happen again. Actually I've been waiting for the series to take place, it's been a long time and had to wait for March. Even to arrive in Mandalika again, still waiting until March 20.

All MotoGP racers have just experienced the Mandalika track, but if we look at the Top Speed that happened in WSBK last year, I think the Top Speed that is inscribed by all MotoGP racers now is very ideal too.

Quote from: blue Snow on February 13, 2022, 06:39:01 AM

We have to look at Yamaha machines first, maybe Yamaha will update the performance and fill up what the weak from last year. as we know they have a problem with the brake. Especially after he tried the Mandalika circuit with have a bit difficult bend and maybe prepare to think up when the rainy situation. About the trophy, I believe is not far away like last year, but as we know when Marquez was fit, his position is not the same as before.

Yes, I think so because the MotoGP competition this season doesn't seem to be much different from last season even though Marquez is already in a 100% fit condition where he will only fill the front row to fight for the trophy as well.

Quote from: Koal-84 on February 13, 2022, 04:35:32 AM

The top speed results show me that Yamaha will have a very hard time this year, even Aprilia and Suzuki have improved their top speed, and Yamha is at least 5 to 10 km/h behind Ducati and that's a lot, whether you can make up this disadvantage in the inner field and curvy part of a track? It will be very difficult for Yamaha to overtake.

Last year was the same and this varies greatly on each track or certain track because not all circuits have long straights so that can also benefit Yamaha, because last year Yamaha also fell behind in Top Speed but they came out as World Champions even though they didn't it would be easy to repeat the same thing this year. But the competition this year will be very fierce and interesting to see.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on February 14, 2022, 06:18:07 AM

Imagine putting Vettel in Red Bull again this year, or putting him in Mercedes, there is 100% guarantee that he would be the champion again. But, Aston Martin keeps worrying about the costs and engineers and so forth and keep on building cars that are not enough at all.

If Vettel was at Mercedes with Hamilton as a team-mate, or at Red Bull with Verstappen as a team-mate, there's definitely not a 100% chance of him being champion. I don't think he's as good as either of them, and would end up being the #2 driver in the team. He's good enough to be the #1 driver at many teams, just not in comparison to Hamilton or Verstappen.

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Quote from: beerlover on February 12, 2022, 02:02:23 PM

Aston Martin car could be "different" but it is also so bulky, I mean that looks like a crazy big difference in the mid section there and it will most definitely make them very bad.

I also would like to remind everyone that Haas used to be a decent team, not a great one but a decent team with wins and all and then for the past 2-3 years they just said they will not spend a dime on their current cars improvement (the old one now of course) and that is why they sucked so bad and spent all of that money into this years car.

I feel like this will make them consistently good. Anyone who doubts them probably never watched them before they started to suck. Doesn't mean they will start being first, but I do not expect them to be clearly last every single race anymore.

Considering they still have Vettel, they should have trusted their engineers a lot more. Dude was the overtaking leader last year for one clear reason, his car was not fast enough to be good at qualifiers, and he had to cover that difference with his pace in the race, not everyone could do the moves he could do without worrying of a crash and he actually managed to do that.

Alonso and Kimi were close as well because of this reason, the more you race the better you get seeing those gaps and not having any fear since you already did it a billion times. Vettel with a great car would have been insane. Imagine putting Vettel in Red Bull again this year, or putting him in Mercedes, there is 100% guarantee that he would be the champion again. But, Aston Martin keeps worrying about the costs and engineers and so forth and keep on building cars that are not enough at all.

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Key week for presentations of F1 starting tomorrow.

AlphaTauri will be Monday
Williams will be Tuesday
Ferrari will be Thursday
Mercedes will be Friday

After these presentations, cars will do the filming track and they will leave for Barcelona for the 1st part of the tests.

Keep in mind these tests will be not tv covered and they will have no fans, for whatever reason they "censored" the next tests.

There are quite a few differences in the design of the cars in the interpretations and implementations of the rules for 2022. Which style will prevail in the end and the presentation of the TOP teams will come at the end of this week, with RedBull one is not sure whether it was just a dummy or the real car, the details were hardly recognisable because the presentation of the new RedBull was kept very dark.

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Quote from: swogerino on February 13, 2022, 04:55:12 AM

Yamaha was never a top speed bike while Honda and Ducati always shared it between them.I think the power of Yamaha is in the curvy parts of the track and thankfully here in the MotoGP most of the tracks are really curvy so Yamaha will have their chance to build up during those part of the tracks and be very near when the straight come,by being near they don't lose a lot of gap in the straight and can work to overtake during the curvy part.For me the top speeds were never important because how many years Ducati had that and only won the MotoGP Championship few times compared to bikes with lower top speed.

A few times I saw them overtake on the straight, even before they had a considerable distance. Maybe you don't think about it too seriously but last year three Ducati riders were able to be in the top five. I think it's a threat especially if Ducati are able to combine their speed on the straight and the curves I think Yamaha should give up. But this is just a prediction that all can happen, all are still questions that will be answered in the race session that starts next month. Hopefully Yamaha has a surprise that has not been published yet.

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Key week for presentations of F1 starting tomorrow.

AlphaTauri will be Monday
Williams will be Tuesday
Ferrari will be Thursday
Mercedes will be Friday

After these presentations, cars will do the filming track and they will leave for Barcelona for the 1st part of the tests.

Keep in mind these tests will be not tv covered and they will have no fans, for whatever reason they "censored" the next tests.

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Quote from: Republikcoin.com on February 10, 2022, 09:39:20 PM

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The condition of the Mandalika circuit one day before the pre-season test took place was raining and this morning all the drivers had done their test for the first day. But the results were really surprising because the time difference was a little further (the gap) between one racer and another, I think this is caused by what factors, guys ?

Maybe they just felt the trajectory of the mandalika circuit for the first time. In addition, bad news about dirty circuits is also widely circulated in the local media. Maybe it also affects the performance of the bike and the riders. I hope it's just a natural factor and tomorrow on the series it won't actually happen again. Actually I've been waiting for the series to take place, it's been a long time and had to wait for March. Even to arrive in Mandalika again, still waiting until March 20.

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Quote from: CLS63 on February 13, 2022, 05:10:01 AM

There are only ten days left for the first test in Spain. The teams are revealing their cars in the new season one by one and there are still teams that haven't done it. I'm very curious about Ferrari's car and what they will do in the coming season. They have gained a lot of engine power already. This would absolutely make a big difference for them comparing to the previous season. I want to see one of the Ferrari drivers fighting for the championship this season. And I'm favouring Leclerc for it.

I'm also curious about the Ferrari car, they abdicated investments in the model that was used throughout 2021 and the result was the poor performance, with the last position in the constructors' world, being the only one not to score in the 22 races of the calendar. I hope that Nikita Mazepin's billion-dollar sponsorship has been put to good use so that they can design a car that adapts well to the new F1 rules in 2022.

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Quote from: CLS63 on February 13, 2022, 05:10:01 AM

There are only ten days left for the first test in Spain. The teams are revealing their cars in the new season one by one and there are still teams that haven't done it. I'm very curious about Ferrari's car and what they will do in the coming season. They have gained a lot of engine power already. This would absolutely make a big difference for them comparing to the previous season. I want to see one of the Ferrari drivers fighting for the championship this season. And I'm favouring Leclerc for it.

I'm sure I remember something a while ago where it looked like Ferrari were getting their excuses in early, which suggested their new car was a bit of a disappointment, and wouldn't challenge. Can't find the article now, though, and it might just have been a bit of misdirection in any case... I suppose we're all guessing at the moment, and no-one really wants to reveal their hand before they have to. TBH I'm expecting Merc and Red Bull to dominate... but I just hope that dominance is less with the new regs.

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Quote from: Republikcoin.com on February 12, 2022, 01:47:37 AM

I'm a little doubtful for Quartararo this season because last season he worked very hard for a trophy and this year it will probably be the same but because the number of races is more than last year, I'm starting to worry if Quartararo is able to defend his Trophy, even though it will be very extraordinary if he could afford to do it.

We have to look at Yamaha machines first, maybe Yamaha will update the performance and fill up what the weak from last year. as we know they have a problem with the brake. Especially after he tried the Mandalika circuit with have a bit difficult bend and maybe prepare to think up when the rainy situation. About the trophy, I believe is not far away like last year, but as we know when Marquez was fit, his position is not the same as before.

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What do you all think about this top speed data and since the difference is not that big, who will you predict to win in the Mandalika race after the opening in Qatar later???

Espergaro?, only 0,014" different, I believe Quartararo is still on favorite for the session.

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There are only ten days left for the first test in Spain. The teams are revealing their cars in the new season one by one and there are still teams that haven't done it. I'm very curious about Ferrari's car and what they will do in the coming season. They have gained a lot of engine power already. This would absolutely make a big difference for them comparing to the previous season. I want to see one of the Ferrari drivers fighting for the championship this season. And I'm favouring Leclerc for it.

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Quote from: swogerino on February 13, 2022, 04:55:12 AM

Yamaha was never a top speed bike while Honda and Ducati always shared it between them.I think the power of Yamaha is in the curvy parts of the track and thankfully here in the MotoGP most of the tracks are really curvy so Yamaha will have their chance to build up during those part of the tracks and be very near when the straight come,by being near they don't lose a lot of gap in the straight and can work to overtake during the curvy part.For me the top speeds were never important because how many years Ducati had that and only won the MotoGP Championship few times compared to bikes with lower top speed.

That is correct that Yamaha was never a top speed bike with the inline engine, Ducati always had the most powerful engine that is correct, but unlike Yamaha who have not really improved their engine Ducati has improved the handling of the bike, also Suzuki has found a few horsepower with the inline engine and are even if slower than Ducati faster than Yamaha. The season could be exciting.

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Quote from: Koal-84 on February 13, 2022, 04:35:32 AM

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today is a pre-season test session for the last day at the Mandalika Indonesia circuit, and from some of the results I have seen it is indeed very extraordinary, but on this occasion I will not talk about it, but about the speed of the motorbike for each rider who has taken the test. in Mandalika, especially today, the following is the top speed data for all the drivers who have taken part in the test session today:

What do you all think about this top speed data and since the difference is not that big, who will you predict to win in the Mandalika race after the opening in Qatar later???

The top speed results show me that Yamaha will have a very hard time this year, even Aprilia and Suzuki have improved their top speed, and Yamha is at least 5 to 10 km/h behind Ducati and that's a lot, whether you can make up this disadvantage in the inner field and curvy part of a track? It will be very difficult for Yamaha to overtake.

Yamaha was never a top speed bike while Honda and Ducati always shared it between them.I think the power of Yamaha is in the curvy parts of the track and thankfully here in the MotoGP most of the tracks are really curvy so Yamaha will have their chance to build up during those part of the tracks and be very near when the straight come,by being near they don't lose a lot of gap in the straight and can work to overtake during the curvy part.For me the top speeds were never important because how many years Ducati had that and only won the MotoGP Championship few times compared to bikes with lower top speed.

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Quote from: Republikcoin.com on February 13, 2022, 03:54:25 AM

today is a pre-season test session for the last day at the Mandalika Indonesia circuit, and from some of the results I have seen it is indeed very extraordinary, but on this occasion I will not talk about it, but about the speed of the motorbike for each rider who has taken the test. in Mandalika, especially today, the following is the top speed data for all the drivers who have taken part in the test session today:

What do you all think about this top speed data and since the difference is not that big, who will you predict to win in the Mandalika race after the opening in Qatar later???

The top speed results show me that Yamaha will have a very hard time this year, even Aprilia and Suzuki have improved their top speed, and Yamha is at least 5 to 10 km/h behind Ducati and that's a lot, whether you can make up this disadvantage in the inner field and curvy part of a track? It will be very difficult for Yamaha to overtake.

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today is a pre-season test session for the last day at the Mandalika Indonesia circuit, and from some of the results I have seen it is indeed very extraordinary, but on this occasion I will not talk about it, but about the speed of the motorbike for each rider who has taken the test. in Mandalika, especially today, the following is the top speed data for all the drivers who have taken part in the test session today:

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What do you all think about this top speed data and since the difference is not that big, who will you predict to win in the Mandalika race after the opening in Qatar later???

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Quote from: izsara on February 12, 2022, 04:07:00 PM

Talking about Bagnaia, I don't think this will be separated from his achievements and it can be said that Ducati is quite suitable for this rider and he can maximize the advantages of his current bike and does not even rule out the possibility that Bagnaia has a chance to be at the top.
Btw they have done a test at the mandalika and the results were quite surprising because indeed their time gap was too far in my opinion and indeed in this test Luca Marini performed very well with the fastest time of 1 minute 3.289 seconds.

To be precise, it was 1:31,289 seconds for the time that was recorded by Luca Marini yesterday, but it can't be said to be extraordinary because it is only a pre-season test session although not to be underestimated, but in general all teams and riders are always more focused on setting up their bikes than on setting up their bike. their time attack in the session.

One more thing is that the Mandalika circuit itself is actually not fully ready to race even though WSBK was successfully held last year. But considering the many complaints from the racers, the circuit must immediately improve so that when the actual Race takes place at Mandalika there will be no more complaints from the racers like now.

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Quote from: imamusma on February 11, 2022, 08:05:26 PM

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But until now they still maintain it and did not give a significant thing from their maneuvers. But indeed this is very natural for them because they are not confident in their drivers who are indeed good enough.
2021 Bagnaia was runner-up and Miller was ranked fourth, of course this is a positive note for them to go through this season because indeed the possibility will be even greater now.

The ability of the Ducati motorbike is basically unquestionable because in general the Ducati has benefited from a lot of power in their machines and has also benefited from the many teams that use their machines so that Ducati can win the constructors' championship last season and maybe this season too. but for a world champion a rider, this requires special use of the rider because if the rider can't take advantage of the advantages of his motorbike and cover the shortcomings of his motorbike, it will always be difficult to become world champion this season even though it has been seen that Bagnaia has the potential to become world champion. this season.

Talking about Bagnaia, I don't think this will be separated from his achievements and it can be said that Ducati is quite suitable for this rider and he can maximize the advantages of his current bike and does not even rule out the possibility that Bagnaia has a chance to be at the top.
Btw they have done a test at the mandalika and the results were quite surprising because indeed their time gap was too far in my opinion and indeed in this test Luca Marini performed very well with the fastest time of 1 minute 3.289 seconds.

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Aston Martin car could be "different" but it is also so bulky, I mean that looks like a crazy big difference in the mid section there and it will most definitely make them very bad.

I also would like to remind everyone that Haas used to be a decent team, not a great one but a decent team with wins and all and then for the past 2-3 years they just said they will not spend a dime on their current cars improvement (the old one now of course) and that is why they sucked so bad and spent all of that money into this years car.

I feel like this will make them consistently good. Anyone who doubts them probably never watched them before they started to suck. Doesn't mean they will start being first, but I do not expect them to be clearly last every single race anymore.

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^ Oof. It can’t get any classier than that bud. Kinda like the old Jaguar race cars. It’s British racing green and with Aston Martin getting rid of the pink and changing it with yellow it just got a lot better imho. But to each his own, they can’t please everybody. Wink

Can’t wait for Mercedes’ reveal. I hope they’re coming out as the silver arrows again.

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Yup with the quotes. The thing is no one really knows how these cars will perform. I mean like the comment about Aston Martin ‘expected to be slow’... Again how slow? Slower than last season? It’s really hard to say and we really can’t take anybody’s word for it. But if based on the design of the car from an aero perspective, it could be tailored for the driver. Like how Vettel drives, he tends to be ‘slow’ but he’s ‘fast’ at the corners which makes up for the parts of the track where he’s slow.

According to Giorgio Piola who is very good at technical things, using configuration 1 of the car will give an advantage on getting quickly a good setup but using car configuration number 2 in long term will overperform setup 1.

I don't know how long "long" it is if it is hours, days, or months.

It’s def months. Like Merc 2018. Ferrari had the better car and it took months for them to develop theirs into a better car and snag the trophy. And really no tech team knows how these cars will perform on the track or how the aero will be outside of a wind tunnel.

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Quote from: tokeweed on February 10, 2022, 10:02:29 AM

Yup, that’s why I think everything that’s ever written by the journos about which car is fast or which car is slow is all total bs. The thing is nobody knows how these cars are going to perform until testing and until at least the first 5 races. Like the comment about Aston Martin being the slow car... But it is expected that they’re one of the slower cars. Did they means slower that last year? That would be funny cos it would mean they would be as slow as the Haas cars. Cheesy

Anyway here’s the unveiling of Aston Martin’s car. Vettel has think hair now. Lmao!

Aston Martin Reveals AMR22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLfbm5ViYfs

I just watched a little of the reveal of the Aston Martin car yesterday and i have to say that i still think that this weird dark green is the ugliest of all colors that are present on todays formula 1 cars in my opinion. I just does not fit the shapes of a formula 1 car and i also think it looked bad on the aston martin that was parked besides the new F1 car. From all the cars that have been revealed so far i have to say that i visually like the Haas most by a pretty big margin. Of course that is a very subjective statement and the visuals are not really important but that is pretty much the only impression that we have so far. I can imagine, that the new Ferrari car will also look good.

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