Topic: Moving to America (Read 640 times)

It is not only about the quality of the workplaces and education which is available there. You should also keep in mind the minimum wage there in the United States is significantly higher when compared to the rest of the continent. Actually, there are only a handful of countries in the world which have higher salaries to those we can find in the United States.
That is why so many people are willing to move there, either legally or illegaly.
Lately, people from Venezuela have been the lastest nationals who have chosen to move there in significant numbers. Minimum wage in Venezuela is about 30$-40$ per month, for those who work within the public sector, while in USA one could get a job with a pay rate at 10$/hour. That is the main factor which drives people to move there and send money back to their family members in Venezuela.

On the racial struggle of people there: it has been well documented and studied. Fortunately, it would seem it is not longer as tolerated nowadays to be blatantly racist as in the past.

Continuing further onto New York, which is a totally distinctive kind of state. New York City is the US's intellectual and commercial centre, with internationally recognized institutions such as the Whitney Museum of Art, the trading floor of the New York Stock Exchange, and the theatre on Broadway. The state is also quite varied, with an extensive number of immigrants from throughout the world. And, like California, New York has everything for everyone, from the rush and excitement of Manhattan to the peaceful majesty of the Hudson's Valley. And fresh York is where all of these different backgrounds join together in order to produce something fresh and distinct.

Many people want to go to America because it has improved education, employment and all other jobs. The quality of life for all is greatly improved with improved workplaces. The number of unemployed people is very less. But racism is the biggest problem here. The history of racism and violence against blacks in America is very old. Blacks have been discriminated against since the birth of the country.

The interesting part about those incidents is how those messed up things usually won't deter people from moving illegally to the United States. People who are against the continuing movement of immigrants to the country sometimes forget those people are usually desperate enough to risk their lives in a travel full of dangers: deserts, jungle, criminals and cartels members who could kidnap them and hold them for ransom. It has happened before.
Though, it is a completely different situation if OP and people like him are considering to move there legally and traveling by plane.

The United States of America has always been a racist country, racism will probably never disappear from their society, but it has lately been addressed and it is not so blatant and widespread as It used to be in prior decades.

Wherever you move, go to a blue state or a purple swing state. Less hate crimes and crazies and all that.

If you're going there to work a-la H1B then Texas is also an option.

I'd steer clear from the northwestern quadrant of the country though (*cough* Utah). And Oklahoma

Try not to move to a rural area.

New York and California are pretty expensive states to live in. Not sure why they're being thrown around here so much.

So true about New York and California but also included with Florida and Texas. They're all best suitable and recommending for foreigners to live in. They're diversificational states dominated with the populations of diverses of cultures and also therein varies of opportunities and wherein might be best comfortable for you Op. Only that I don't know about the essential features you care about.

And it's kind of messed up how the media's highlighting crimes during the campaign especially when it comes to black and brown folks who are undocumented. I get that crimes are an issue but it's creating this vibe where legal immigrants might get targeted for no good reason. Like that guy in New York youre saying who got tackled for supposedly being a shoplifter and illegal immigrant, turns out he was a citizen. Just something to think about before making the move to the USA

About the topic of moving to the United States, I would like to point out that in this campaign period several news and media have focused on highlighting the crimes and bad deeds of both black people and brown people who happen to be within the country as undocumented immigrants/illegal aliens. Obviously, those crimes are a problem and unacceptable, but keeping the immigration topic aside, that thing of attention media is giving to people of that color may be an issue in case someone of such characteristics decided to move to the USA legally, there are more chances of them being targeted for no reason.

For example, not long ago a group of vigilantes tackled and submitted a man in New York, accusing him or being a shoplifter and illegal immigrant, when in fact he was an American citizen.
That is the kind of environment this presidential campaign and certain channels like Fox have created against people of color.

So keep it in mind, before moving If you still want to.

Racism might be a problem in America if you don't choice perfect place to live. Although you will find such people everywhere but Might be good for live where people are pretty open minded and they used to keep themselves busy on all the in time in work but you might find compitation there cause most of people would like to live there and that's why living cost becoming expensive including job difficulty. Things always looks good from a distance but you'll discovera lots of things, once to go to deep

Although I am not American, I have searched for certain destinations for education and living, so I just wanted to weigh in on this topic. I think California and New York are perfect places to live. The quality of life is also good, but they are very expensive. I have listened to a doctor's interview who was living in New York and said that she was getting over $4k a month and by the end of the month, her savings were only $100 - $200. If you live on the outskirts of these cities, you might be able to save some money. 

He is clearly stating that he does not want to feel mistreated for reason of race, sex, belief, so the answer is... nowhere. There is not such as state in the US in which prejudice does not exist.

However, you should be a bit better of in the North than in the South and the "fly-over" states of the Bible Belt and if you are not a skilled professional, the rust belt may be more welcoming for getting a job.

Honestly speaking, you seem to be a good guy but I don't understand why you have so much hate toward western countries. My relative works in FAANG, in California and life seems to be amazing for him. Living life in America has two sides, one side you already mentioned but it depends on the person too, there are people who choose the one that you posted and there are people who fight and achieve their dreams. America is really the best place to achieve your dreams because in Europe you are in stuck, the more you work, the higher the tax you have to pay. I have never ever used health insurance, unemployment insurance and I'm still paying 40% tax. Isn't America a better place for me? I might move there.

You ignore many things. People in developed countries experience severe depression compared to people in developing countries and I'll explain why does that happen. Generation Z has not worked because their mothers and father sacrifice themselves to provide a good future for their own children. We also have to keep in mind that Instagram (ideal body) and other social medias, also the high expectations and competition makes them feel depressed while people in developing countries tend to be one of the happiest ones because they think differently, their life is different. In modern European or American city, you have to constantly be in competition, you have to always the best version of yourself. Many people fail to do that, also many people haven't experienced any difficulties in life and a slight one already makes them depressed. I can talk about it endlessly but it's not like you say. Sexual attacks and other traumatic experiences happen here because governments allow immigrants to live here.

In my opinion, there is a lot of people inside the United States and also outside of the United States which downplay the advantages of living in rural areas of countries which are considered to be part of the first world. It is an overall calmer environment, one does not have to lost ones time in traffic, the air is cleaner and properties are way cheaper than within the big cities in California and in New York. Though, there are also some disadvantages: it is less likely to find jobs in those rural settlements and one may not have access to services and goods which are more common to find in the big city.
Though, I personally like the idea of having a nice nice in the outside of the big cities anyways, even if takes longer to find a job, the price of the property is worth it enough.

Also, would you care to share what country are you from? I would have guessed most of the countries in Asia were good enough for their people not to collectibly desire to move to the United States or Canada.

I'm from asia and lots of people from asia, want to move canada, USA because of better life. Better income and good environments. People in my countries, often discuss about USA. I heard that, if you want to live peaceful, better income, safety, lack of racism then California might be the one you can shift. Then new work also good but living in these big cities, you need to maintain high standard of living which is very costly. And its also difficult to get jobs. But rural areas might be good option for cutting extra expenses

Maybe Georgia?

Omg, you have got to be kidding me. Do you mean that people poop right in broad daylight where everyone can see them? In that photo it seems there’s like a restaurant in the background, how would they eat? How does the person keep their face when they poop?

American had been a nice place to go and spend the holidays having the maximum fun. People going to America for job would have to be prepared and get things necessary especially educated themselves on how to leave a safe lifestyle there.
As the world country, there is need for tourists to learn somethings about the country so that things would never look strange when they get there. We need to get the necessary information that would keep us safe there.

All depends on what your going there for as your purpose because I think if it's for job America can't give easily like that it's 50 by 50 chance, area like Australia, newzeland Sadi Arabia also Canada can be more better. If only for jamboree nothing bad racism is everywhere in as much human mind is hidden to his fellow all one need is to becareful in any environment you found yourself.

Not what it used to be. This is why the Governor is already fighting back against the National government and not allowing immigrants to cross anymore.

I would assume OP is not crossing so yup you could still stay in Cali. The timing however is not so good however. Wherever he is from I'm sure there is a community of his countrymen living in US. It's worth joining a community where you know you belong.

The homelessness problem in California is not as new as some news and people want others to believe it to be, honestly. It had become a meme back in the mid 2010's, how California seemed to have a very high rate of people defecating in public. It is a direct consequence of homelessness, this homelessness being at the same time a consequence of the increasing use of drugs and the increasing money one needs to afford a home in the United States, specially in overpopulated cities like San Francisco or Los Angeles.

Some people may tell you that in the defense of California, that their public defecting problem is isolated and what truly matters is their successful economy and industry. While people who do not like California will tell you only bad stuff about that State and the fact it is one of the most liberal places to live in the United States. Conservatives do not like it.

I was thinking califonia is a place of lot opportunity that people will find life very easy, I'm just surprise. That means inflation and hardship is hitting every corners in the world. Since this hardship is everywhere no need looking for where to run to where life is easy. It seems no place where life is easy the way people think. The best thing is for one to remain where they are work hard, than traveling some where else to start life all over which is very tough.

I've got friends of friends that have been living well in California and just as said that there are each communities that you can find where you belong there and I think in some other states too. But if you're for the opportunity, I think many are moving to Texas and following the herd that's make by Elon as for his companies are moving there from Silicon Valley.

And to tell you honestly, these racism, inequality, it's not just happening on a certain place like for your question in USA. For every parts of the world, there are people that you don't know what's on their mind and they might attack you just because they're like that and they want to. If you want to move to a country, look for those countries that has peaceful index and have the standard of living based on the stats and surveys made. I'm thinking of that but as of now, I don't think that I should move.

If you're looking for both diversity and safety, it's going to be hard. Usually the neighbourhoods where there's a lot of people of colour are also the ones with the most violent crimes and I dare you to call me racist for telling the truth.
I don't live in the US but I've visited a few times and if I were to live somewhere it would be somewhere far from all this cultural diversity. In a place where the air smells like it used to 50 years ago and you can actually see some wild life, not hookers and addicts standing on the corner. Montana, or one of the nearby states would be nice.


I guess they should visit Canada then. They'll find much more freedom there, courtesy of Trudeau

Moving out of one's country most of the times does not have anything to do with fun or amusement, actually. In these years it has been more about people trying to find a place to live and where laws are better applied than in their home countries. There is a good reason in the United States most immigrants are from countries in Central America, Venezuela, Mexico, etc. those are countries where there is a pretty high percentage of corruption and disregard for the justice system, corruption also exists because the lack of opportunities in the economical field, the resources suffer deviation.
If in those countries there were laws as tough as in the United States, people would be less likely to move to the USA seeking refuge or better opportunities.
It is true that to some people "home" is the place one was born, while one could also consider "home" to be the place where one is able to make one's dreams become a reality.

Just a personal opinion of mine, of course.

But what they will provide for you is what you will pay with your own money you make from your own country because anything you use in that country is not free but it will look like free in your eyes which is something many people don't know before leaving their country to another country.

Leaving your own country to other country to have some fun is a nice decision to me , if you have the money but leaving your country to other country to live there forever is not a good decision no matter what because, assume the citizens of that particular country did that some years ago to leave that country, do you think the country would have developed for other foreigner to live.

Sure, I would.
Nobody here is asking about the color of your skin, the country you are moving from, your native language or your ethnic. Even people here in this thread and within the political section which consider themselves to be conservatives or pro-Republican would be okey with anyone moving to the United States, because they assume you are going to move there legally. In your Original post you made no reference about getting into the United States illegally or try to break any laws, so nobody here has an actual reason to mistreat you or deny you useful information you may like.
I understand these are very tough times in the USA and in the southern border of the United States, this situation could easily stigmatize anyone who talks about moving there, but we are not supposed to assume immediately that anyone talking about moving is an illegal immigrant or an asylum seeker.

I would not have any problem either if you were, though others may differ from my point of view on such topic.

Assuming you're black, movie to Atlanta, there are lots of blacks there, you'll find community. Or you could go to Harlem in New York.

What if I was black or brown would you still give me the same advice

I don't think America is a country that you should be moving to now. I think there are better options and America is on a decline. Its society is tearing apart and its economy is going down. And the people who move there are struggling. So my suggestion is to move to Canada, Australia, Newzeland or any other country.

In my opinion, if a person lives in his own country, it will be the greatest honor for him because own country can provide you everything.

You live like a king in your own country, but if someone go to another country, there is no respect for the servant, that is, he is not able to give as much love so value your country and consider your country as your home and live in it. Because there is benefit in it.

Wheater may be not a problem depending on the budget OP could have to move and live in the United States, by the way. I live in a tropical country and it has mostly bearable because we all count with Air conditioning units and electricity is almost free here in my country, so one needs to do in close the doors and turn the AC on at noon.
If OP has enough money, then he could do the same, because from what I have read not only electricity in the USA is expensive but it also changes its price depending on the time of the day, being noon the most expensive time to consume electricity. You know, there is a very good reason rich people like Donald Trump keep at least two properties, one in the north and other in the south of the country. So in summer he can move to New Jersey and do not suffer from heat, while during the Winter he goes back to Florida.
It is the kind of stuff the common people of USA obviously cannot afford to do, and probably not an option for OP either.

I think that danger of alligators or anacondas is more like sterereotype which comes from movies, rather than real threat. Yeah there is some risk, but it's something similar like chance to meet wolf or bear in forest somehwere in Eastern Europe - 99% that it won't happen.
Good point about climate in summer. I like hot weather, but such conditions continues for a long time, maybe it would already too much, especially when humidity makes it worse.

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BTW, found nice map showin top US states to live in:

https://twitter.com/TerribleMaps/status/1739757247494836274/photo/1
Interesting how many will catch the meme

The biggest reasons for moving to America are these:
1. The right to freely contract - but be careful with this;
2. The right to really own private property.

I don't know why you want to move to the US. If you are moving because you are fleeing war or violence or you are seeking better economic opportunities, then it might be a good idea to do proper research on the states and their laws. The country has different laws in different states so you have to get acquainted with the laws as it relates to you. I would not like to stay in a state that has a high rate of gun use because it might be violent. I will also suggest that you locate a friend or relative who resides in the US because they might be in a better position to give you firsthand experience of how these states look like.

But if you desire to experience low racism, I am sorry to state that racism is enshrined in the culture of America. Even blacks that are born in America see black immigrants as opportunists. Just pray that Donald Trump doesn't win the next election because racism will increase if he is victorious. But the best place to stay and have respect and peace of mind is your country.

I would bet it is a mixture of lack of economical opportunities and also an after effect of the COVID pandemic. It affected many young people negatively, no doubt about it. More isolation, more uncertainty and added to the loss of family members to that virus. Though, I believe it would be biased to say data like that is exclusive from the United States, I assume if we took a look at those same indicators in other western democracies, both in the American continent and Europe , then we could find there has been an increase in the sense of hopelessness in most of them.

Whether OP or anyone actually feels like moving to the USA, ultimately won't care about those studies and will only look at their own personal emotions and possibilities. I have myself had friends and neighbors who moved there and they did not even considered that kind of studies on the feelings of the young people of the USA, they managed to get money and some will stay while other will come back with their freshly acquired savings.

OP, do you like this feeling?



And I want to express that that place is in your own mind, external problems, if you don't need to differentiate, always appear in the context of your life. I don't see any city that doesn't have its own problems, I mean the distinction between good and bad is always present anywhere that makes us discriminate, and it won't go away, we just have to accept it and live in harmony with them to reduce fatigue.

"The land of dreams" and it includes "nightmares", the physical factor that determines emotions, you also need to accept that you can adapt to that material threshold, just like we are easily deceived personal freedom and rights without knowing personal obligations.

The "land of opportunity"

Though, for some reason I do not truly understand completely, people in the United States also tend to rule out Florida as a bad way to live in, for some reason. The perception I have got about that place from things I have heard from friends is that Florida is a State which serves as a place for people to go for retirement, a place with exotic animals which could represent a danger for people in general, like alligators, anacondas, etc. you can indeed feel some relief during the winter, but during summer temperatures and thermal sensation could be unbearable, even for some residents.
If OP had some curiosity or attraction for the Latino people, though it would be a good option for him, it is no secret there is a bunch of people from Latin America living there in Florida.
The prices of real state are of course as high as one would expect.

I haven't been to USA, so, I can't advice to OP, but personally, I wouldn't like to live in huge cities like New York and LA. As someone who lives in small city, I prefer calm rhytm of life and reaching everything what I need in less than 30 minutes. I would hate to spend hours of my life daily in traffic jams. And when I see how much rent of tiny apartment in New York costs, you have to earn a lot just to pay for rent. And there is some places in these cities you better avoid visiting if you care about your safety, like Bronx for example.
Florida for someone who hates winter looks like great place to live. Maybe I wouldn't want to live in Miami, but it would be interesting to visit it one day just feel that Vice City vibe .

Going to the best country based on peace and quality of life like you said America, may be your personal choice. There are many countries other than America where the standard of living is much better. A good country to consider might be Canada or New Zealand, both known for their safety, diversity and peaceful lifestyle. As far as I know these countries generally have very low crime rates. These countries are ranked highly in terms of quality of life and have strict policies against racism and discrimination.

If you want to work and live then move to New York or California. If you are rich and move to states (not the best option though because there are better countries out there) then Utah, Tennesse, and Hawai.

Not an American and I've never visited the country, but from the summary of what I'm getting from this thread is that the big cities like new York and California, are more accommodating with very minimal racism, but the cost of living in these big cities are very high. While the country sides have more racists but their cost of living are more cheaper compered to the big cities. So it'll come down to preference, if a white person from perhaps Europe, wants a state in America, that the cost of living is moderate, then the country side states will be preferable, because there'll be no racism concerns for the person. But if the person is perhaps asian or especially black, then the big cities can be a better option because of the acceptance of people of all races, but they have to contend with the high standards of living. My analysis is based on assumption, as I've not carried out any research on the topic outside of this thread.

From what I get about communities in the United States is that ethnic groups then to stay together within the same neighborhoods, so as long as anyone from a specific nationality or ethnic stays close to their neighborhoods there would not be any problem with racism and exclusion, though moving to a state where there is not much discrimination based on origin is a plus.
Honestly, I would try to stay as far away as possible from New York, much homelessness and lack or opportunities to acquire goods which are necessary to live in the United States in the long run, I have know people in their 30s who cannot afford to move out their parent's house because of the high prices of rent and real state in general in the city of New York.
If anything, that city could be a temporary place to make money and then move to other place where there is a chance to acquire a small plot of land and then afford a used trailer to park there.
Unfortunately, it seems the american dream is not longer what it used to be, even natives of that country would agree on it, people has become more pessimistic about the their personal future.

I would say that that depends on the kind of lifestyle you want live and what kind of job you are hoping to have in america a lot of people move to new york since they believe they can really be successful in that city although i heard that the apartment prices in new york are extremely expensive

I think wherever state you go to, there will be always some kind of racist you can meet one or two racist person everywhere you go so the state where you should be going must be considered depending on the job you want to have or is expecting to have

Care to elaborate? Because what you say is too ambiguous for anyone here to figure out what you mean with it.
Perhaps it is not about freedom but rather lack of opportunities in jobs they would have liked to partake in, perhaps mistreatment by others, etc. Actually, I have a neighbor who moved to the United States legally some months ago and he is currently working helping to build seasonal attractions for people to enjoy in the winter, I assume he will also help to build and then disassemble more attractions.
Anyways, my family and I talked to him some days ago through voice and he seemed to be earning fairly well for that kind of job which requires physical strength, regardless of it he seemed to be eager to eventually come back here and use all the money he could save to start his own business.

By the way, coming from you, I would have never expected you to have friends of Hispanic origin, no offense, but rather some like someone who would rather to not talk to then if you had the option not to.

I talked to a Hispanic friend a couple days ago. He said that a lot of Mexican illegals are moving back, because they are finding out America isn't as free as they had been told.

A lot of it depends on your own politics and beliefs.  For example, some states let you carry guns while others do not.  If you want to live somewhere that guns are commonplace, you'll want to choose your state wisely.  Other things like legalization of marijuana can differ from state to state as well.  If guns and weed aren't your concerns, there are also things like if alcohol can be sold on Sundays, if abortion is legal, the tax rates you have to pay for property and income...  Your personal situation on whether you're retired or working, renting or own your home...  All things that can make a big difference on your life state to state and should be considered.

California it is. I learned from my colleagues that California's pretty open-minded and inclusive, though your experience might vary. Jobs are booming, especially in tech and entertainment, but yeah, living in the big cities can be pricey. From the lively city life to chill countryside vibes, California's got a bit of everything

If you are looking for a state in America that prioritises safety, diversity, lack of racism, peace & a high standard of living consider California. California is known for its diverse population, progressive values & strong anti-discrimination laws. It offers a range of cities with excellent amenities, cultural richness & opportunities for personal & professional growth. Remember that experiences can vary within states so thorough research & consideration of individual preferences are advised before making a decision.

California and New York are very good in terms of lack of racism, diversity and things like that, but they are also extremely expensive places to move and have some normal standards of living, rent is high and some people won't like to live there because of the amount of homelessness which has accumulated through these years.
If I had to move to the United States and wanted to have some semi-normal standards of living, then I would try to stay away from big cities and find a place to live in the rural areas of the country, probably in the center-north of the country. Houses/rents are more affordable there, there is less people drugged living in the streets and it would be much calmer; though all if it comes with less diversity/tolerance for people of different skin color/origin and also, it is more difficult to find a job in rulsr areas of the country, one would need to be willing to either work remotely or get one's hand dirty working in farms.
Regardless where one ends up living, the best choice is to try the legal ways to move in the USA.

I hear California is very nice. The standard of living is so high that in 2023 alone 10000 people decided to live on the streets and "take care of business" on the sidewalks as people walk by 💩

Let's just say I was from another country moving to America what would be the best state to move to based on safety, diversity and lack of racism also based on peace and standard of living