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But I'm still scratching my head: Why do they restrict the accounts so much that people can't even submit their verification documents?!?!

Mt. Gox couldn't find their ass with both hands.

Unfortuntely Mark is over his head, and he does not recognize it. Self insight is a beautiful things. Most people having an overview, would be both able to plan ahead, and hire or make alliances with other parties who can add the competence Gox does not have.

This is a red thread through everything that Gox does.

Read this:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/leoking/2014/02/13/mt-gox-ceo-mark-karpeles-responds-to-widespread-bitcoin-criticism/

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FORBES: Was Mt Gox’s coding to blame, and are other exchanges having the same problem?

Mark Karpeles: First, you need to understand that the Bitcoin implementation we use in MtGox was created back in 2011. The bitcoin client is not meant to handle the kind of load MtGox has and was having more and more troubles, lagging and crashing. We created our own implementation to solve those issues and to offer a better flexibility to our customers.

Over time Bitcoin changed and started implementing changes that would require people using previous versions of the software to upgrade. While we followed most of those update we were more and more busy and couldn’t keep up with all the changes.

My emphasis in bold. To me it is 100% logic to hire dedicated professionals to deal with the situation so that everything is kept up to date. This is crucial if you want to run a serious business. The time to hire such professionals is when you see that you're having a problem keeping up with everything. After all, any person can only do so much in one day. No company that is expanding is doing this without adding more employees.

At the very core of MtGox's business is the exchange of bitcoins for fiat money, and being able to withdraw both fiat and bitcoins. So, making this a crucial point of their business is paramount.

Considering everything they've earned in fees, they should have enough money to get their shit together. Maybe they're insolvent because of running costs and embezzlement done by Govt.

Gox has done little or nothing to prove that they're solvent. A company of their size should be able to hire lawyers that could find solutions to make the money flow more smoothly with banks.

Mark have a hard time trusting somebody, and he's probably a nice guy, but in business that's not good enough. And the market will punish those who do not do a great job.

In addition, there are people and companies that have their money tied up in MtGox. People who showed MtGox trust. How can these businesses trust MtGox again? How can they trust MtGox not to randomly at some point again freeze your assets?

What contingency plans to they have, if any? If Mark's 'falling' out of a skyscraper or is jailed, what will happen to Gox? Are the cold wallets lost forever?

With ongoing cases, and customers who are more and more angry - having your money/bitcoins at MtGox seems like a very very bad idea.

MtGox have with their actions damaged the reputation of the entire bitcoin system. If they wanted to, they could've consulted with the Bitcoin Fundation, developers and PR experts to best handle this. How could they possibly think that announcing what they did would not negatively influence the price?

The good thing that comes out of this however, is probably that many people will move to other exchanges, thus decentralizing the exchange market more, plus that the issues going on with trancation malleability will be fixed or at least worked around.

Perhaps that announcing this problem was the only way to actually have the devs to anything about it? As Gmaxwell said (if I remember correctly), this was not on their top 10 list of things to fix. But it is now.

Sometimes, the only way to have people act to solve a problem is to show them that a proposed problem is a problem in reality. Some people complain that Gox should've worked silently with the developers to fix this, but not announce it to the world, but the question is would they really have prioritized it then?
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They've restricted mine too, even though I have (/had) a customer number in the low 2k range and have been verified since long before Bitinstant was founded. Fortunately there's no reason to waste time complying, because I haven't had money with them for ages and all this has done is to make sure I never will again.
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But I'm still scratching my head: Why do they restrict the accounts so much that people can't even submit their verification documents?!?!

Mt. Gox couldn't find their ass with both hands.

Isn't it obvious?
newbie
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Hello, guys

Mtgox recently locked my verified account and doesn't allow me to withdraw Bitcoin/Fiat because i used Bitinstant years ago

I have $40k USD and 100 bitcoins in my account for day trades, when i tried to withdraw, it shows
"Your account has been restricted from accessing funding options. Please contact [email protected] for additional information on why your account has been restricted."

Mtgox locked all accounts who ever used Bitinstant before, i think many accounts have been locked for this cause Bitinstant and Aurumxchange used to be very popular funding options,
their statement: https://support.mtgox.com/entries/26563440-MtGox-Response-to-BitInstant-CEO-Arrest

I sent them few support tickets few days before, not a single one reply has been received until now, it seems like they are just ignoring me and buying time with this "excuse" because they have run out their FIAT and BITCOINS
I had almost the exact same thing happen to me, there. Out of the blue, I had "Your account has been restricted..." with no explanation on how to unrestrict it. I emailed the address they gave. No reply. I used the form on their web page. No reply. I used their support forum. No reply.

Finally, I just started emailing them the same email (asking them to explain why I was frozen) several times per day for about 4-5 days. After a few days of this, they finally responded that it's because I used BitInstant, and that I need to mail them (postal mail, mind you... to Japan) copies of my gov't ID and a utility bill.

"I can't use email?!?! Don't you guys have a public key you can send me and I can send them encrypted?" - I asked?

With that, they unrestricted my account enough so that I could upload, through their site, scans of the docs they wanted. A day after that, they unrestricted my account. (and then, I immediately tried to withdraw my BTC to my local wallet, and the transaction failed. I went to try again and saw the notice that BTC withdrawals had been suspended. Yup... I almost got out. Timing really is everything in life...)

But I'm still scratching my head: Why do they restrict the accounts so much that people can't even submit their verification documents?!?!

Mt. Gox couldn't find their ass with both hands.
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Sorry to hear about your issue.

I would like to add that I have used BitInstant in the past and I'm a verified gox user. I'm still able to use the funding page, and I traded goxbtc with another gox user a couple of days ago.
newbie
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do they have the right to change things like this overnight?

IANAL but any term of the ToS is anyway subjected to local laws so if they got a request in that matter from a court then most likely the terms conflicting with regulations are invalid and they are required to abide.

With 40k USD it's easy to see why you have to verify to Trusted level.

Just my 2 satoshi on the subject, but please provide any update.
sr. member
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Yeah, I hate the fact that it got sprung on me like that, but I will follow procedure. It is odd because I never used BitInstant with regards to MtGox, only Tradehill, and only once, so I suspect somebody has actually fed MtGox the database of e-mail addresses from BitInstant's database and I don't like my data being passed around like that. So yeah I'm pissed, but what can you do?

Mtgox always trying to play the Bitcoin World Police role and always attemping to sneak money from their users by making "Overnight changes" and "Troubles" as many as possible so hope some one will just at sometimes "come on, wtf, ok that's not much $$, i would rather save my time"

If you talk about the underground "intelligence exchange", then it must be their partner FBI "enforces the law" outside US borders jurisdiction

I say more people should fly to Japan and kick Mark Karpeles's ass hard every day when he enter or leave the office building, and mtgox should pay for all those fees of "notarize & post" too!

did you hear back from Gox support yet?
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It should be possible to scan notarized documents and send these to Gox pr. e-mail. This is ofcourse unsafe in a way that any adversary could possible copy the data on its way there.

Big watermarks with the text: "Only for MtGox use" might help, and it might also help to censor out the most sensitive parts of the documents with filled black boxes. I don't know how strict they're at this one.

There should be an easy way to deliver such documents, preferably through encrypted e-mail, but an upload form over https would work too.

Other things to keep in mind is that freezing an account for no apparent reason whatsoever, does MtGox have that covered in their TOS? It might be worth checking out. A violation of their TOS could be a reason for a lawsuit. Not sure how long time and how successful that would be?

I understand you are pissed.
newbie
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Yeah, I hate the fact that it got sprung on me like that, but I will follow procedure. It is odd because I never used BitInstant with regards to MtGox, only Tradehill, and only once, so I suspect somebody has actually fed MtGox the database of e-mail addresses from BitInstant's database and I don't like my data being passed around like that. So yeah I'm pissed, but what can you do?

Mtgox always trying to play the Bitcoin World Police role and always attemping to sneak money from their users by making "Overnight changes" and "Troubles" as many as possible so hope some one will just at sometimes "come on, wtf, ok that's not much $$, i would rather save my time"

If you talk about the underground "intelligence exchange", then it must be their partner FBI "enforces the law" outside US borders jurisdiction

I say more people should fly to Japan and kick Mark Karpeles's ass hard every day when he enter or leave the office building, and mtgox should pay for all those fees of "notarize & post" too!
hero member
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Yeah, I hate the fact that it got sprung on me like that, but I will follow procedure. It is odd because I never used BitInstant with regards to MtGox, only Tradehill, and only once, so I suspect somebody has actually fed MtGox the database of e-mail addresses from BitInstant's database and I don't like my data being passed around like that. So yeah I'm pissed, but what can you do?
newbie
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What they will most likely reply with, is a request for documentation via post.

It will need to be notarized with an apostille and sent to Japan. If you see their AML page it is basically the same as becoming trusted status, so that guidance is pretty much what you need to do.

I know because they requested this from me too under the same circumstances as your post. Hope this helps.

omg, are you pissed off?  Angry
hero member
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What they will most likely reply with, is a request for documentation via post.

It will need to be notarized with an apostille and sent to Japan. If you see their AML page it is basically the same as becoming trusted status, so that guidance is pretty much what you need to do.

I know because they requested this from me too under the same circumstances as your post. Hope this helps.
newbie
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Regarding the stuff posted here:
https://support.mtgox.com/entries/26563440-MtGox-Response-to-BitInstant-CEO-Arrest

Already been verified before? Please submit recent documents for re-verification.


This seems like a classic con-man tactics to gain money. This does not make sense. Did you ever hear about a bank asking all users having sent funds through a certain funding method to reverify at the bank where they hold their account? I never heard about such nonsense. If you're verified, you're verified, and asking customers to verify again, how can that make sense? It will only anger customers. Lots of users who do not have too much money at MtGox will probably just give up altogether and MtGox will keep that money for ever.

There was talks about some ongoing investigations in a thread posted to reddit where someone claimed they'd gone to MtGox and talked to Gonzague Gay-Bouchery, manager of business development at MtGox which then told that there's a couple of ongoing investigations.

In my opinion, a lot of his answers were very vague and I did not become reassured about what he said.

Anyway, to OP, there's nothing else to do but to do what they request from you - do that and see if the situation solves itself - and after that perhaps just get the money hell out of there if you can?

Thank you for your info and advise, i just checked about the reddit link.
I am still waiting for a reply from mtgox, they are not answering my tickets or showing me how to unlock my account, i am really pissed off
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Regarding the stuff posted here:
https://support.mtgox.com/entries/26563440-MtGox-Response-to-BitInstant-CEO-Arrest

Already been verified before? Please submit recent documents for re-verification.


This seems like a classic con-man tactics to gain money. This does not make sense. Did you ever hear about a bank asking all users having sent funds through a certain funding method to reverify at the bank where they hold their account? I never heard about such nonsense. If you're verified, you're verified, and asking customers to verify again, how can that make sense? It will only anger customers. Lots of users who do not have too much money at MtGox will probably just give up altogether and MtGox will keep that money for ever.

There was talks about some ongoing investigations in a thread posted to reddit where someone claimed they'd gone to MtGox and talked to Gonzague Gay-Bouchery, manager of business development at MtGox which then told that there's a couple of ongoing investigations.

In my opinion, a lot of his answers were very vague and I did not become reassured about what he said.

Anyway, to OP, there's nothing else to do but to do what they request from you - do that and see if the situation solves itself - and after that perhaps just get the money hell out of there if you can?
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Either way, MtGox will be dead soon enough.
Was dead about two months ago.  They are just telling those who can't read the signs now.
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Either way, MtGox will be dead soon enough.
newbie
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I'm not sure if it's directly related to BitInstant. All MtGox users have had withdrawals frozen at the moment. They're saying it's a technical issue.

thanks for your reply, but no these are two completely different things.
there is another statement for the "MtGox halts withdrawals technical issue" https://support.mtgox.com/entries/26130949-Statement-Regarding-BTC-Withdrawal-Delays-UPDATE
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I'm not sure if it's directly related to BitInstant. All MtGox users have had withdrawals frozen at the moment. They're saying it's a technical issue.
newbie
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Hello, guys

Mtgox recently locked my verified account and doesn't allow me to withdraw Bitcoin/Fiat because i used Bitinstant years ago

I have $40k USD and 100 bitcoins in my account for day trades, when i tried to withdraw, it shows
"Your account has been restricted from accessing funding options. Please contact [email protected] for additional information on why your account has been restricted."

Mtgox locked all accounts who ever used Bitinstant before, i think many accounts have been locked for this cause Bitinstant and Aurumxchange used to be very popular funding options,
their statement: https://support.mtgox.com/entries/26563440-MtGox-Response-to-BitInstant-CEO-Arrest

I sent them few support tickets few days before, not a single one reply has been received until now, it seems like they are just ignoring me and buying time with this "excuse" because they have run out their FIAT and BITCOINS

Is it acceptable if they asked me to send them physically and notarized documents to their Japan office and force me to upgrade to "Trusted" level from "Verified" ? they did do such ridiculous thing to a user
more detail: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1wyrdu/mt_goxs_ridiculous_new_documentation_requirements/

Any one can help with this?
how can i contact mtgox?
do they have the right to change things like this overnight?
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