Topic: MULTIPLE ACCOUNT (Read 2325 times)

This is really happening. As someone said it is an open secret. And IP detection is not enough. My brother just started here and he got the evil deeds message. Coz he lives with me and uses same WiFi I guess. So he just made an account in a computer shop. Even older members have multiple accounts I think. A friend told me to buy one but I am a hard worker by nature. Lol.

Please inform yourself better. There will be no ban. It is not against forum rules. It is just that the members who are given super trust powers may give you negative trust. Which is hypocritical of course because it's an open secret that they themselves have dozens of multiple accounts at this forum.

As far as I know creating more than one account is allowed but using the same IP address with those accounts is not a good thing. People creates multiple accounts inorder for them to gain or earn more money. In addition to that there is a lots of chances for them to earn extra money in airdrops. But if you they found out that you are using multiple accounts theres a tendency you will be ban and be given a neg trust.

Just recently I heard from a local news about a move to cleanup those multiple accounts of some members who have more than 1 account. I don’t know how they are going to do that since it is not that easy  to know which accounts belongs to a single person. And what if they make a mistake? Isn’t it unfair to those honest to goodness single accounts to be removed?

I always though that selling your forum account is violation of forum rules and can lead to a permaban.
So basically if you sell your account account just gets negative trust?

Perhaps because we have corrupt moderators on this forum who may destroy your carefully and with efford and care built up profile by giving negative trust points without proof and for their own agenda, and there will be nothing you could do about it, except having another clean profile ready to continue your daily business on this forum.

why would they bother creating multiple accounts? I thinks it just makes things complicated and harder. I mean why not focus on just one account and pour all your efforts on it?

Plus, if you make multiple accounts and participate in forums, there is a possiblity of slightly connected answers in same questions.

About selling accounts, yes you'll earn from it but never did I imagine it was possible.

exactly, you don't always want to mix your business with your personal opinions, why a lot of people have two Facebook accounts

also how would mods differentiate between one person having multiple accounts and multiple people at an office (or coffee shop) posting to Bitcointalk

It is not a problem to have multiple account because multiple account money transaction best option

May be it won't harm but definitely will make this forum full of shit and crap. I am pretty sure that out of 10 only 1 or 2 will able to handle their multiple accounts in a right way and mostly will just try to sell their accounts for money or will use it negatively e.g in scams.
There isn't any strict rule of having multiple accounts yet but it will be much needed to catch them before the forum will become overloaded with useless accounts.

It's not an excuse, we have worse problems than that. But thank you.

An interesting case! Recently I suspected a moderator of doing the same, but then he convinced me of his innocence.

Who was this moderator? Are you sure that your customers were banned by a moderator, or was their account hacked?

Please give us some screenshots of this case and the account names of the people involved. In other words: we need proof.

How about my condition?
I'm teaching crypto currency and about airdrops here in my computer shop!
They are making their accounts and we are sharing same IP!
4 of my new students get banned! and was ask to pay in order to retrieve their accounts
because it was stated their of evil works!
This guys was just new on crypto currency world and have no knowledge on what that evil works it was stated there!

The knowledge I have about multiple accounts and forum rules confirms that multiple accounts with the same IP will not be banned. You don't even need to post excuses about using a friend's WiFi. Just do your thing, but try to make it a good thing.

Hi,

Could someone confirm we will not get banned cause I'm using my friends WIFI? My comment was removed claiming this.

Completly wrong. Please read the thread before commenting as it already contains the correct answers.

If you are using multiple accounts in same IP address then you'll definitely banned by the moderators. But if you are using different Ip's then you can safe ur account.

There is no forum rule against it. However moderators don't want it and if they catch you, you will get red trust points.

I also want to ask about it. but I'm sure having multiple accounts in this forum is not allowed. Maybe another friend can explain it. because my newbie still have a lot to learn

This forum has an airdrop of multiple accounts. 

so do you have an airdrop?

It is not against rules to have alt account or to join different signature campaigns/giveaways/bounty campaigns with alts, however if you join the same campaign with alt accounts = cheating =  negative rating.

You are wrong. You will be banned for breaking rules, no one will ban you just because you have another account or two.

1) Only the breaking of forum rules may lead to a ban.
2) It is not against the forum rules to own multiple accounts.
3) Negative trust points are not related to forum rules.
4) Negative trust points can be given out by a selected group of users.
5) The group members announce that they will give negative trust when they discover the buying / selling of accounts.
6) These group members are allowed to give negative trust randomly or for their own personal agenda.

Fair?

It is proven on this forum that one of the moderators has been engaging in buying / selling accounts. However where others are punished with negative trust for this the moderator stays clean. It has also been proven that certain members who did nothing wrong are given negative trust.

So for your own sake I would advice you to farm accounts and buy them if you can, but to be careful with linking the accounts to each other in any way. I learned that on this forum you need to create your own rules to survive. Just don't steal or damage others, that's unethical. The forum would be a lot more nice if the moderators and greenies applied those same ethics.

My friend has multiple accounts of bitcoin, and those accounts really help him. He don't get banned. However, to me, we must be careful having multiple accounts of bitcoin, otherwise we will be banned by the moderator. 

I also heard about that but I'm not sure. The rule is to own only one account but some greedy person create lot of and try to join many campaign in the same time. I think you better not used many account to join campaigns, just post until you gotten to the rank that you want to

Thanks for the details given on multiple account. It is very useful detail on multiple account new members like me should and must know about it.

Open secrets don't have listed evidence.

There are however lists on this forum with double accounts. I think you can find it under the 'Reputation' section. I doubt that the high members are featuring the list as they are probably cunning enough to hide their alts. There are however threads to be found about moderators giving out negative trust for nothing and even for things they themselves provenly engage in.


A newbie status here of course doesn't make me insecure psychologically. But I realize that even by playing the game in an honest way months or even years of working on your profile may be destroyed in an instant by the whims or devious plans of the green circle of trust. Then it seems better to invest a little money in a proper profile, instead of working on it for a very long time.


I've seen them destroy reputations and disown posessions of honest smaller members, just for their own benefit. Their green status means nothing. Sure, some will have stayed clean from scamming. But we've seen how mr. Global Moderator reacts when he is pushed a little. Had my status been a bit more than newbie or had the discussion not been about the true nature of the ones on top I'm sure he had painted me red.

Please provide evidence in a list preferably, per member and his altaccount.


Do you have some uncertainties that your rank reflects who you are? Do you really think that buying an account will keep you safe. By looking at your post history, even with a legendary account you are going to get discovered, reported and tagged. 


You have some serious grudge against green trusted legendaries as this is not the first time you are posting this, did they do something to you?

Almost every experienced member around here has multiple accounts. One for each agenda. It's an open secret. Just don't spread such news about yourself. You may be sent red trust. And even newbie accounts with red trust are pretty useless. Except perhaps for safely speaking the truth about the green trusted Legendaries' true nature.

I think it's not illegal to have multiple accounts with the same ip address in bitcoin. you can not just join a signature campaign with multiple accounts, because you can be banned.

dev must banned if the cought multiple account to be fair to all.

Right. Every campaign is writing that multiple accounts are not allowed here on the forum. And I wander how do your friends used to sell their accounts in all trying of account selling get banned fast. Well, that's what I heard from different Meta discussions.
And I actually would be very careful to even ask something like that here on the forum, you with such kind of questions simply can caught moderators' attention and one step wrong and you will be kicked out.

I want the freedom that respects the freedom of all. Not the freedom to limit other's freedom. That is your cup of tea.

My wit and intelligence serve the morality I am armed with. They don't serve devious plans that damage others for my own profit. Your nature is begining to shine through. A little bit more talk and your true nature is exposed.

People don't earn points by being honest but by applying their wit and intelligence to forum politics, sucking up to people in power. Now you are accusing me of dishonesty while you don't know anything about it. Do you? I have only been talking here a little and already you have decided upon me being a scammer. That is exactly what I mean. What did I write just a few lines above? Your true nature getting exposed. Grand Legendary Global Moderator 50+ Trusted Hilariousandco decides upon me being a scammer without any evidence or proper research. Next step is red bullets. Is your finger at the trigger yet?

No, like you, as you have shown above.

Not knowing anything about me but already judging (scammer) and calling names (coward) by the Grand Legendary Global Moderator 50+ Trusted Hilariousandco. Here we have the forum problem I have been adressing exposed in an examplary way.

No you don't. You want it only when it suits you. If you wanted freedom then you would appreciate anarchy and a wild west atmosphere and people being able to do what they want even if you don't like or agree with it. You remind me of a plastic liberal who loves free speech right up until the point somebody does or says something they don't like and then they lose it and want that person either banned, silenced or arrested.


Are you not armed with wit or intelligence? It seems you are relying far too much on weapons to defend yourself.


Why does everything revolve around red points to you? People earn those points over time by being  honest and a productive member. You obviously did something that was seen as dishonest. Scammers often don't like it when their scams are halted before they even happen.


Like yourself? The irony.


I dunno. I think honesty does pay and those that are honest are noticed and get the respect they deserve but that takes time.


This guy pretending to be a girl obviously isn't a new member and is just a coward hiding behind one. He knows far too much about the forum for a day old account and the so called "corruption" going on here and has created a throwaway to try make his point with bizarre analogies. I'm guessing he did something that was seen as dodgy or scammy or something and probably tried to buy an account and got tagged for it hence his butthurt about it. Possibly an alt of TanyaDegurechaff as there's lots of similarities.

You want to buy a legendary account and you can't even quote people properly. You see, that's one of the things you acquire while leveling your account. You seem like a person that likes shortcuts. In road terms you want to overtake people and cut them off like an asshole instead of playing by the rules like the rest.
You're right that some people here can't be trusted and you're one of those people.

I want liberty and freedom. And not dictatorship and a police state. Do you want that? For that is the present situation.

Yes, I am unarmed. I can't shoot red points, however I can be shot at. And purchasing a gun could give you just the assertiveness you need to survive here. You see, there are lots of members around here pretending to be someone they are not. Like members pretending to be honest and trustable members. Parading around with their by their political friends given green points. While in reality they have not even one grain of morality in them. On the other side you also find a lot of members who would deserve trust and respect from the community for their honesty and work but who instead receive nothing but contempt and disrespect. Given out by who? Take a guess.


You should not turn things around. This place is not a wild West because I would buy a Legendary account, I would buy a Legendary account because this place is a wild West where honesty and working your way up is often rewarded with a couple of red bullets from a few corrupt sherrifs in town. Besides; In reality I don't have any money or interest to buy such an account. I brought it up to address the issue this forum has with abusive use of power which would force one to buy an account because honesty doesn't seem to pay around here.

Anyone can leave trust on anyone else. People are responsible for their own actions. Do you want liberty and freedom or do you want a nanny state and fascism?


Are you unarmed or not able to defend yourself? Some people can be trusted to carry a gun whilst others can't. Some people are better shooters than others. Some will use that gun for good and some will use it for bad. Which one are you? I think when people try to buy themselves into positions of trust or power you're more likely to belong to the latter. Why don't you actually try to actually earn the community's trust and respect instead of trying to be someone you are not. Your reasoning seems very cowardly to me.



No, poor you that you somehow feel like you have to buy an account here to participate in a signature campaign. Poor you that at the most you have to wait a couple of weeks or months. I'm not sure why you think buying a legendary account somehow gains you respect or will shield you from abuse either because it doesn't. A bought legendary account is worthy of nothing but a title and if people find out that you have bought it it will be marked as such because you haven't earned the respect or rank, but the mere fact that you are wanting to buy an account makes you part of this very Wild West that you apparently have such a dislike of. If anyone relishes the fact that this place is a wild west it's the person who is happy to try buy himself into some sort of position of respect and recognition without earning it and makes you the corrupt one if anything.

So simple yet so clear. My confusion is now gone. One can give trust or distrust as one likes. But then why are only a few given te power to give trustpoint and not everyone? It is even so that some people who are very much distrusted by others are still given te power to give trust points. Isn't that a bit unfair? In the wild West at least every cowboy could carry a gun to defend himself.


I'm not poor for wanting to have a respected account. I'm poor for not having a respected account. For that exposes me to abuse by the powerful ones with green points but no morals. Would this be a proper and fairly moderated forum I could probably agree with your thought of working your way up. But I have the impression that in a wild West forum with a couple of corrupt sherriffs who alone are given guns honesty and a hard working mentality is not enough.

Because the signature campaign would be renting your advertising space under false pretenses. You would be pretending to be someone you are not and defrauding them. That is why people in this community would not trust you.


You seem confused, these two sentences directly contradict each other. The rules have nothing to do with trust, that is a matter for the community to police. The forum rules can be found in the stickies in this board and are enforced by the moderators. Aside from that running your monetary system is a bit anarchic I suppose.

Poor you. You shouldn't be here just to greedily and eagerly earn from signature campaigns without paying your dues. Most of us here built up our rank and reputation over time and so should you.


This isn't a university, but most people leaving uni don't just go straight into being managers or CEOs or try to buy their way through the ranks. They work their way up by hard work over time.


There are rules. They're stickied in this very sub forum. I suggest you read them. The trust list isn't really moderated and is left up to the community to police so people are free to leave feedback on behaviour they deem appropriate or inappropriate, but yeah, this forum is pretty much the wild west but people should be responsible for their own actions and money and not expect to be baby sat through everything.

I only have one account, but I think,having multiple accounts is not a problem, but with the "IP address" is different, because if the same could be potentially banned by the moderator.

Why? Because of the advantages. I can't even participate in signature campaigns?! It's like saying to someone leaving university to start with cleaning work or sweeping streets.  

But I understand that trust has nothing to do with the forum rules but everything with what users think of one another. Correct? Does that also mean that there are no forum rules, no sanctions, and that it's a wild West and anarchy around here?

You can buy one if you wish as it's not against the forum rules but certain members will leave you negative for engaging in such behaviour if they deem it appropriate. Everybody starts as a newbie so why don't you just build up your account and reputation like pretty much everyone else did instead of trying to buy it.

But to make things clear: Can I buy an account without being punished or not? I find it somewhat humiliating to be a newbie among all those big star Legendaries and Heroes.

Thanks. That makes things a bit clearer.

It would be best if you spent more time in that subforum as your posts in English are incomprehensible.


Some have more than 20. I heard stories that half of them belong to Theymos, who is actively involved in account trading.
If you want to know more about account trading ask Quickseller. I heard stories that the majority of posts including the word "lauda" came from him.

I think creating multiple accounts in these forum is not forbidden, though, sooner or later it will be discovered and will just make the accounts with neg trust and will be banned sometimes. With regards to IP address,there was also an incident before I created my account that I just signedup however, there was something that I need to pay some amount because someone already uses the IP address I am using and it is something like "suspicious''.

I have ever read a thread in my language sub forum, it say that have multiple account i allowed but make spam  will make you are banned.

i think you  can  create more than one account with the same IP but you can't join a same campaign with many account

This thread will explain the trusts system https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2221664

In short, everyone builds up their own trust network and you see yourself at DT0 because you obviously trust yourself.
Everyone will see trust left by DT1 and DT2 members and they will also see trust left by people they added to their trust network. Trust left by anyone else will be hidden by default although you can change the setting to see down to whatever level you want.

I don't get it. Most profiles have 0 trust. Then there are profiles with red trust -x. And profiles with green trust +x. Am I at DT0? When will you enter DT1 and when DT2? When I gain trust, will I immediately be DT1? Do I need 10+ or 100+ green trust to enter DT2? And is there no level DT-1 for profiles with negative trust?

What is the account?

Edit: but it was probably for unsubstantial posts. Even on this account your posts mainly consist of this sort of stuff:

What should I do if I got the message likes this
"banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum". What is the cause of the account banning activity from moderator.
Another question is, is it permanent ban or just temporary ban?
If it is temporary, how long till the time it will be unbanned? thanks all for your help.

The rule is to own only one account but since disobedience is already innate to man's nature we become greedy, but there are those people who are content with only one account for they are aware that being greedy may lead to a disaster. Bitcoin rule is that the user is allowed to own one account so admins are so strict to avoid fraud. Creating multiple account is cheating, not only to the company, but to your own self.

When you look at campaigns they don't allow multiple accounts and for that you may not paid. Maybe if you tried to that your account maybe ban forever and for many reasons as well. If you go and try to have multiple accounts I think you better not used many account to join campaigns, just post until you gotten to the rank that you want to.

It is allowed, but one of their main uses (Signature Campaigns) ban them.


They are the two levels of Default Trust. EX: DefaultTrust is DT0, people trusted by DT0 are DT1, and people trusted by DT1 are DT2, etc.

What does DT1 and DT2 mean?

cause it's forums , there is no harm at all when you have more than one account if you aren't abusing the campaigns and selling the accounts
some biz owners need more than one account , like one for the biz they run and one personal

even gambling sites allow more than one account if you aren't abusing the site , so it's super normal for forums to allow that too
but as I said once the rules are broken there is a good chance that all of the accounts can get a red flag , which will make them useless if you are using the accounts for campaigns or planning to sell them

I feel so inadequate. I've only got one account, and I've only got a little Bitcoin.

Some people literally have hundreds of accounts and I suspect some people are actually farming thousands. This guy was caught with over 200 (but they were all banned for shitposting): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/what-to-do-if-you-blocked-the-accounts-of-the-whole-office-1912475


Some people are satisfied with one cake. Some want two. Some get greedy and want ten or hundreds of cakes. People want more accounts because the more they have the more they can potentially earn. Unfortunately, the more accounts you have the poorer your post quality usually becomes (see link I provided above of the farmer just rehashing the same crap account after account).

I never thought that they're allowing multiple accounts with the same IP. Why people do that and what's for? for me i'm satisfied for single account.

Correct, it is not against forum rules to have more than one account. The question really is what do you intend to do with multiple accounts.


That is basically defrauding the airdrop and will lead to being given negative trust.


It is not just moderators but any trusted member of the community (DT1 or DT2) that can give negative trust which will make the account wortless.


Yes, all activity around account sales is likely to be for the purpose of facilitating fraud so it would be thought of as shady and appropriate trust would be given.

And what about selling account? Can person do it or it will also lead to neg trust?

When you try to sell accounts, a moderator can give you a negative trust and the account become a worthless. If you involve in a signature campaign with multiple account too, the bounty managers will notice and you will work in vain. I think is better you concentrate on building your account to Hero member where your payout will be higher in a single campaing.

I also heard from my friend that they have many account especially joining free airdrops. But I also heard my other friends that it is not allowed and also using VPN you will get detected on it.

it's allowed to create more than one account with the same IP , since it's forums here !!
but the signature campaigns made some people create a lot and try to join many campaigns the same time , this will lead to neg trust all the accounts discovered

I guess that it is not allowed to have multiple accounts here, using same or different IP address. Although i'm not sure if you'll get banned, or just trust tagged. Let's see if a more experienced user can answer your question. Now i'm curious.

I heard a story from my friend that most of the people here have 3 up to multiple account here in bitcoin talk and selling it for a specific amount when it reaches Jr or member rank. Is it allowed to have multiple accounts here using the same IP address? Will there be a chance of getting ban when you are navigating multiple accounts?