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marlboroza

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Quote from: stompix on July 24, 2019, 05:34:23 AM

My favorite would be "pontrazi"

Smartzi

Quote from: Pbean on July 23, 2019, 10:59:49 AM

The country should in the law ban Ponzi (USA banned) or not ban (Many Asia and Africe not banned). And fraud as a crime is of course forbidden in any country.

Then you won't mind me asking 3 questions.

Which countries?
So you have registered ponzi business in one of many Asia and Africa countries?
Which one?

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Quote from: marlboroza on July 22, 2019, 03:21:30 PM

Hm...maybe we need new term for this scheme?

My favorite would be "pontrazi", it doesn't only sound funny but the first image google returns is this:

which remind me of the fry, take my money meme.

Also, we can try
Lose Your Coins Offering Scam > Lycos (which is dead just all like all Ponzi schemes).

Quote from: Pbean on July 22, 2019, 07:56:31 AM

All cryptocurrency is Ponzi scheme.

OP, scammer, after this stupidity I think you can pack your bags and go away, there is nothing for you here.

Quote from: Pbean on July 23, 2019, 10:59:49 AM

Of course mathematics is such that yes, for "the last" investor contract will not have enough money

Omg, you're actually telling people they will lose their money with your scheme but you don't think that's bad?

Quote from: Pbean on July 23, 2019, 10:59:49 AM

The country should in the law ban Ponzi (USA banned) or not ban (Many Asia and Africe not banned).

Finally, you got one thing right, Africe is the only place where ponzis are not illegal. Grin

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Quote from: marlboroza on July 23, 2019, 07:41:55 AM

Investing money enough times will make all money disappear, don't try to teach me math.

Of course mathematics is such that yes, for "the last" investor contract will not have enough money

Quote from: witcher_sense on July 22, 2019, 11:31:18 PM

In which countries fraud is not a crime?

fraud is intentional deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right. (or money)
If the participant is warned in advance, then Ponzi is not a fraud.
Ponzi it is Ponzi.
The country should in the law ban Ponzi (USA banned) or not ban (Many Asia and Africe not banned). And fraud as a crime is of course forbidden in any country.

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Quote from: Pbean on July 23, 2019, 02:50:52 AM

SCAM is when all 100% of money is stolen from people.

Investing money enough times will make all money disappear, don't try to teach me math.

Quote from: Pbean on July 23, 2019, 02:50:52 AM

About legality - yes, in many countries Ponzi is not a crime

In which countries fraud is not a crime?

Quote from: witcher_sense on July 22, 2019, 11:31:18 PM

A Ponzi-contract?

or

As-smart-as-ponzi-contract

smart pyramid

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Quote from: witcher_sense on July 22, 2019, 11:31:18 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on July 22, 2019, 03:21:30 PM

Hm...maybe we need new term for this scheme?

A Ponzi-contract?

or

As-smart-as-ponzi-contract

Ponzi-smart-contract is ok ))

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Quote from: marlboroza on July 22, 2019, 03:21:30 PM

Quote from: Pbean on July 22, 2019, 07:56:31 AM

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You took wrong screenshot, look:

Taking money from one depositor to pass it to another depositor (plus interest) is not legal. Bonus part is "5% advertising fee" and "5% technical support", which is money you steal from naive people presenting this scheme as legal one. This will eventually collapse and many depositors will lose money.

Just because you scumbags started creating smart-contract-based-ponzies doesn't make it less scam.

Hm...maybe we need new term for this scheme?

Why do you call me a bad word?
SCAM is when all 100% of money is stolen from people.
We have no scam. The smart contract is programmed to distribute 90% of the money received. Administrators can not affect the work of a smart contract
About legality - yes, in many countries Ponzi is not a crime

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Quote from: marlboroza on July 22, 2019, 03:21:30 PM

Hm...maybe we need new term for this scheme?

A Ponzi-contract?

or

As-smart-as-ponzi-contract

marlboroza

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Quote from: Pbean on July 22, 2019, 07:56:31 AM

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You took wrong screenshot, look:

Taking money from one depositor to pass it to another depositor (plus interest) is not legal. Bonus part is "5% advertising fee" and "5% technical support", which is money you steal from naive people presenting this scheme as legal one. This will eventually collapse and many depositors will lose money.

Just because you scumbags started creating smart-contract-based-ponzies doesn't make it less scam.

Hm...maybe we need new term for this scheme?

Pbean

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When you earn X10 at Binance Launchpad, then someone will lose these X10 - is this not Ponzi?

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Quote from: nutildah on July 20, 2019, 04:02:17 AM

Tagged and I put a link to this scam accusation in their thread. A Ponzi by any other name, even if based on a smart contract, is still a Ponzi.

Is it possible to remove the mark from our project that we are scam? We are not a scam. We have a fair smart contract. In which it is programmed that 85% of the funds it pays to investors. We (admins) can not affect the operation of the smart contract

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Quote from: witcher_sense on July 20, 2019, 03:35:06 AM

What happened: PONZI

I can not understand the reason for the prosecution? We do not hide the PONZI scheme. In the Announcements (Altcoins) section, more than half of this is the Ponzi scheme. All cryptocurrency is Ponzi scheme.
If you post screenshots, then why don’t you post a screenshot from our site where we write warnings? Three times we warn people in our FAQ on the site:

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Quote from: hugeblack on July 20, 2019, 07:01:29 AM

Is this percentage correct or have they made mistakes? 114% seems unbelievable even when most optimistic.
Generally, if you want to scam do not be so stupid.

Nope, it wasn't a mistake. I think it was just a random number. With this type of system, they can put in any number in there even as high as 500%.

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How it works?

Let's say you made a deposit and already the first in the queue. Then the deposit of the last user entering the queue immediately goes to pay you until you reach 111-141% of your deposit.

As soon as a user receives 111-141% of his deposit, he is removed from the queue, making room for the next user. Thus, unlike pyramids, in which interest is paid for life, here they are paid very limitedly - you get exactly 111-141%. But fast!

It's clearly stated that the payment will come from someone else's deposit. They're honest Cheesy

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Is this percentage correct or have they made mistakes? 114% seems unbelievable even when most optimistic.
Generally, if you want to scam do not be so stupid.
flag supported.

You can also report that the account is spammer as s/he has many duplicate/ads posts.
The account is also likely to be hacked "Date Registered: September 08, 2011, 12:01:33 PM"
In addition, I have doubts that there is a relationship with this project -----> [ANN][POW][CLO] Callisto Network - Cold Staking & Security Audits. "I will investigate this."

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Quote from: nutildah on July 20, 2019, 04:02:17 AM

Tagged and I put a link to this scam accusation in their thread. A Ponzi by any other name, even if based on a smart contract, is still a Ponzi.

There are too many red flags in this "multi-your-deposit-with-no-brain" project, so I decided to create a flag to warn people

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=480

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Tagged and I put a link to this scam accusation in their thread. A Ponzi by any other name, even if based on a smart contract, is still a Ponzi.

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What happened: PONZI

ANN: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-multitoday-get-111-141-of-your-deposit-in-a-short-time-5166938

https://web.archive.org/web/20190720081715/https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-multitoday-get-111-141-of-your-deposit-in-a-short-time-5166938

Announced by : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pbean-41442

https://web.archive.org/web/20190720081756/https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/pbean-41442

Website: https://multi.today/en/

https://web.archive.org/web/20190720081851/https://multi.today/en/

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Domain Name: multi.today
Registry Domain ID: 3048ce18dce94917bd8e8a33aa3a3902-DONUTS
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.name.com
Registrar URL: http://www.name.com
Updated Date: 2018-10-30T22:33:17Z
Creation Date: 2018-10-25T22:32:23Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2019-10-25T22:32:23Z

According to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme

what have we here? High return on invesments with no risk,

overly consistent returns,

unregistered with SEC or regulators, sellers are unlicenced,

difficulty receiving payments

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