Topic: Muslim Bakery refuses to bake cake for Gay Wedding? (Read 2117 times)

This is savage but unfortunately true. You still see parents killing their children (mostly daughters) because they want to marry someone or because they fell in love with a non-Muslim. It seem that they're getting a free pass using their religion card while everyone else face ridicule at the mere insinuation of bias.



Unless it's the only shop in town offering that good/service, yeah, I'd definitely walk out the door, shake my shoes and curse the establishment. If they don't want my money, fine, there are others there willing to take it. But just as they are "free" to turn me away, I'm also free to leave a "review" to warn others that they may not be welcome. It would be up to them if they'd boycott it.

Of course this is assuming they turned me away politely. If they insulted me, the gloves come off. They'll be out of business.

As for the ISIS pamphlets, I believe you might get sued for helping distribute such materials, so whatever your view is the wise response is to refuse them service.

muslim too care about wedding, marriage and etc......

Free speech   ALWAYS ..I love you too my earth bro or sister

live long and prosper 

We will agree to disagree then. I still love you anyway.

Which, hilariously, brings me to the root of this argument. Free speech

I don't agree..You see if your selling   advertising your business to the public you should have no rights
by law to refuse anyone unless the law says it's banned..

It's not about your business it's about humanity getting along ..

It's saving your business and saving your life..If no business law this is what will happen..

I am black or gay or white and one day i walk in a shop and the shop keeper gets funny because he doesn't
like my colour or because i am gay i could quite easily wait till the shop is closed and petrol bomb that shop

Or if i am really crazy do it while your in it..

Now that's why the law steps in it saves your business or your life..
To discriminate against a person can start a lot of trouble ..
So that's why the law steps in because it keeps the business peace ..LESS TROUBLE.

I'm saying they were dumb. They only got caught because they didn't play the game right. They could have easily had a "full schedule" that made it so they couldn't accept the order. This is only news because they were assholes about this.

And this already happened to black people. It was called existing in America before the civil rights movement. We couldn't even walk in the store to make an order   we survived until the law changed. We did business with reasonable individuals, or did business with ourselves.

Fact is, I don't want a government to force a private business owner to serve me if they don't want to. Fuck them. They don't want my business, I sure as hell don't want to give them my money.

You say you hate a Muslim. Why would you want to serve someone that you hate? Don't you want the right to choose? Choose where your product, made by your hands with your skill, ends up?

So if you had a print shop, you would be comfortable selling ISIS pamphlets if someone asked you to do so, correct? I mean, they are a customer..

It makes no difference if your on my side ..
You said how can you catch them.  As if to say they could make another excuse ?

So i was just saying your not very smart a video cam ..

I hate Islam so i don't think i have a right to refuse a MUSLIM from my shop..
I opened up as a public shop.
What i am saying is if we start on gays we can start on blacks whites anything really..

When really by law it's discrimination ..

Now if i could i would ban anyone who is religious BUT i cannot ..

But just correcting you sir not getting at you ..LIKE FACTS

So the same should go because of skin colour ..
I should have the right to refuse who i like then ?..Is this what your saying  

when you sell to the public you think it's my business i will refuse who i want too.
And the law should not get involved ?.Hmmm sounds good to me..

See we in the UK are over run with sand people and INDIANS smelly ones not pow wow ones
Like hindu who sleep with there sisters and first cousins and produce spastic children then claim invalidity benefits because the genes fuck up when you sleep with your blood spouse..

Now we have loads of smelly hindus spastic indians   because they sleep with their sisters and cousins .
When a hindu comes in my shop should i say get out we cannot serve people who do

Incest in Hinduism - Hinduism | Indian Religious Traditions ...
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apparently more common in Hindu society than in any other part of the world: ... brother-sister incest was introduced by the ancient Hindus :.


SO YOU AS A HINDU FUCK YOUR BROTHER..THAT IS DIRTY WRONG..

HAVE YOU SLEPT WITH YOUR BROTHER ?..You are HINDU.. ..

2 FACED ..Your religion produces spastics because you sleep with your own spouse..

NOW BY LAW YOU SHOULD BE IN JAIL..For incest ..
Now if a hindu walks in with a wheel chair just think he or she been sleeping with the brother or cousin
to produce that spastic child..

And you call gays    as a hindu  ..You sleep with your brother ..

And to top it off if you live in the UK you will get a good life for producing a spastic
So the hindus love it here  ..

I WILL SLEEP WITH ME BROTHER    AND WE WILL PRODUCE A SPASTIC AND CLAIM LOADS OF MONEY..

So you as a hindu cost more to the tax man than a gay..A gay will make money you will get invalidity benefits
because you slept with your brother..

And the funny thing is your a hindu and thinking it's horrible the way men sleep with men ..
Arr well i will go and fuck me brother or me first cousin ..

2 FACED.Incest is worse than being gay .. So people should have the right to remove HINDUS
Because they believe in INCEST..DIRTY OR WHAT

We are in the same side man, relax   I don't think they should have been discriminated against. Its not fair to be singled out because you prefer dick over pussy. With that being said, for the aforementioned reasons, I don't think anyone in private industry should be forced to transact with customers they don't want to. If they are, it's pretty much slavery (being forced to perform a task that you have no desire to). I don't care how they got caught, I'm not defending them. Fuck them, if that makes you feel happy. But I won't back down from my statement that business owners should have a choice in who they serve. Would you sell ammo to a warlord? Or baking soda to a crack dealer? And if we are talking about discrimination, lets address the unfairness of having to defy ones religious beliefs to satisfy a customer. I'm a Christian, there is no way in hell (or heaven for that matter) you will get me to bake a cake with a satanic phrase on it. Not only would I be violating my religion, to me, I would be damning my very soul, my most valuable possession. Should I be punished for my faith? Over a goddamned cake?

The cake, in this instance, is indeed a lie.

Then what about the fine of $135,000 which was imposed on someone who did just than in Oregon? I agree that it shouldn't be even news, but as long as we have LGBT activists such as Brad Avakian in higher echelons of power, democratic values doesn't matter anymore.

Not very smart are you .

How do you think this Muslim got caught ..Derrr hidden cam   

HIDDEN CAM: #GayWeddingCakes at Muslim Bakeries? - YouTube
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4

We are arguing semantics, let me explain.

While you can't discriminate per se, you can make up pretty shitty reasons to legally deny service. Like the no shirt no shoes thing. It actually is enforceable, because it is a reasonable accommodation that would detract from the business if not followed (you could not ride in my cab with no pants, for example. GTFO). If you are a federally state subsidized institution, the burden of proof on your "reasonable accommodation" would be a bit higher. But as a private institution, on private land, you have a bit of brevity on how you conduct business. Not all publically available businesses are open for public access, like factories for example (you can't get on the grounds without clearance). They can be very creative finding reasons why they cant fill your order, if they don't want to.

We’ve all seen signs posted in restaurants and shops announcing that management “reserves the right to refuse service.” It’s one of those commonly used legal phrases – like “legal tender” or “pleading the fifth” – that most people have a vague understanding of – without really knowing what it means. How can businesses refuse service? Who can they refuse it to? More importantly, who can’t they refuse to serve?


 
Over the last several decades, the civil rights movement in the United States has led to important legal changes guaranteeing the rights of individuals to be free from discrimination based on sex, gender, race, religion, and a number of other factors. The Federal Civil Rights Act mandates “full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.”

Restaurants and stores qualify as “public accommodations” even if they’re a private business. As such, discrimination laws apply just as much on private property and to private businesses as they do in any public place.


Read more at http://www.business2community.com/trends-news/right-refuse-service-businesses-discrimination-0766551#I5rWuId2CAD7yheb.99

So even if your a private company you have no right to refuse because someone is gay..
SO IT SHOULD BE ..

It's not a private business?..Did the shop say private bakery
Did i need to pay a membership fee and knock on a big steel door and show my membership card to get in to buy a cake..

Did it just say bakery so the public can just walk in and out..
They opened a shop to sell to the public now when you sell to the public you should have no rights to refuse anyone ..YOU ARE NOT A PRIVATE BAKERY..

Now does the law where the bakery is say being gay is against the law..If not they had no right to refuse and should be shut down..

Yes they can open up as a private bakery .But people must show a membership card before they enter that shop..

You are misunderstanding the point YOU ARE SELLING TO THE PUBLIC..NOT PRIVATE..

LIKE A GOLF COURSE .. ..Public golf course anyone can play..
private golf course you need to be a member..NO DIFFERENT ..

Oh yeah sure!
That's the same here, even with national laws.
Of course you can always sue the person or the company, but unless it caused you major damages (like if they didn't want to sell you some medecines) you wouldn't get much out of it. I'm not even sure you would get any compensation to be honest!
And that's rather... Logical. The guy wasn't cool and didn't want to do it? Well grow a pair and get over it.

It's a per state thing here, but depending on the 'class' of the litigant, their class may be protected federally from discrimination. Homosexuals for example, or the disabled. It wouldn't be illegal per se here, but the injured party could file a civil suit that would have implications in federal case law. But if you accept state funds, even the lottery (which is a state institution), you cannot discriminate. Entirely private institutions are a different matter, but the same civil suit could be filed by the injured party. Might not get the same traction, but it could. So not worth the liability, in my opinion.

Fact is that there are laws to protect consumers.
So I don't know much about USA laws, but in France for example that would be illegal.
It's mandatory for a company or a commercial to sell its products and services at the same price and quality no matter the race, religion or sexual orientation.
But that might be legal in USA I don't know.

Despite the injustice, I pretty much have to concur with this. I don't believe in discrimination, but if you don't accept government subsidy for your business, you should have the right to serve who you want to. If you were black, and someone asked you to bake a "Kill the Blacks" cake, would you do it? Or if you were Jewish and someone wanted a "Cook the Jews" pie? Or even if you are human and someone asked for a "I fucked the baker's mom last night" cupcake arrangement?  No, you wouldn't. No one would. And this is why personal freedoms matter. But, when actions like this become public, you may have to explain to said public why you chose your particular course of action.

By the look of it, Muslims can harass, show no respect, show intolerance for everything the don't like: other religions, cultures, habits, people and that's perfectly fine.
But when other religions are speaking or doing something against muslim's point of view it is suddenly very wrong and disrespectful.
That gay couple should be happy that this muslim baker didn't poison that cake instead.

Oh my god such a stupid argument...

"Hey! You're not attacking them because they're Muslims!!!"

And what if no? What if no one attacked them because the concerned gay couple didn't ask for justice? Because associations weren't aware of the story in time?

You understand that THOUSANDS of anti-homosexual actions are made every months, and that associations mostly pick... Symbolic cases where the victims really want to fight?

I would have refused. It seems to me that any tolerance should have its limits. I don't want people with such views walked the streets where my kids go and touting their views. So it would be better for them and for us.

Its a private business, if the owner doesn't like gays and refuses to bake a cake for them then they should just go elsewhere. This shouldn't even be news. Life goes on.

There are gay men who do not advertise their ideas and I such people are tolerant, but when he's being defiant it's annoying me. How am I supposed to explain to their children why they are? I won't go in the cafe if you sit there gay. I think that those who are not serving they are not bankrupt, quite the contrary.

My wild guess is that there are at least as many radical muslims as gays, so on one hand he will lose customers (or maybe not, because I'm sure there aren't many homosexuals whose favourite bakery is run by an Arab) and on the other he'll get support from radicals. Anyway' he won't have to close the business as a result.
I think he had the right not to bake for them, I know it's rude, but it's not like there's only one bakery in town.

I have always thought that if you don't want to perform a job for a person or group of persons that should be your right, if you don't have it then you are a slave, the problem is not that Muslims can refuse to do it but why the Christians can’t, they are not defending their rights as well as the Muslims.

I think that is discrimination. Beside from being a Muslim and not a supporter of same sex marriage, it is a real disrespect for the gays, and they are costumers, costumers are always right. You bake, we buy, what s wrong with that?

For me I dont think its any where disgusting in as much as I dont support the idea of the discrimination against Gay people, I still feel people have the right to their believe and at the same time to be respected by others if we want a peaceful co-existence afterall, its not the only bakery in the country and they can equally patronise other bakeries that are more receptive its their loss that the revenue will go to a competitor who is really in business to make money.

Where isnt the media going ham on this like they do when Christians do. This shows how bias they are. I support the bakers though, If you have a right to be gay then i have the right not to bake you any cake. Your right of choice shouldn't make mine null and void.

Because homosexuals are disgusting thing I think. Indeed, it is their right to choose to live as a gay, but to me it is a disgusting thing. And in Muslim same-sex relationships has been banned since antiquity, when the days of the Prophet Lut very many lesbian and gay couples and they got the awful punishment from God. Life being gay meant losing the beauty of the love of a woman. Lots of countries are cons against LGBT.

I don't get it myself. While I don't believe in discrimination for no good reason (I could give single fuck if someone is homosexual, more power to them), I certainly believe in any business owner's right to refuse service to anyone they choose. Just like I believe that homosexuals should boycott the dog shit out of this business. It's a two way street people. Why the hell would I want to spend my money at a place that doesn't want my business? Wouldn't want to enrich the fortunes of those bigoted assholes. So I say, make your voice heard with your wallet. I feel they (the Baker) would soon find how unpopular their attitude is amongst their customer base.

You can stand for whatever you want, but don't run when your ideology is called to task. Words and actions have serious, lasting consequences.

It's funny use the words NO NIGGERS ..NO PAKIS  NO WHITES ..It HITS HOME ..SMACK RIGHT IN THE FACE..

But people seem nothing wrong with NO GAYS..

They all walked into your shop all 3 will feel same emotion  .SADNESS OR WANT TO HIT YOU..

NO GAYS ..NO NIGGERS..NO PAKIS ..NO WHITES..It's all something we cannot help being      it's nature

Muslim can turn into a christian and christian can turn into a muslim ..
And both can forget about religion..They have a choice NOT TO BE AN ASS HOLE ..

And that's what the law states don't be an ass hole

I would profit loads..

How many black people would go to my hotel knowing no white CRACKERS  ..

Then how many white people would come knowing no NIGGERS..

And my hotel be packed to the rafters knowing no PAKI ISLAMs 

But by law you should have no right to refuse anyone UNLESS they been causing some sort of trouble..
Like breaking the LAW..

The fact that they are selling to the public doesn't make them a public service, they still have the right of admission. In other words; if they bankrupt is up to them too.
About your sign, it would be just needlessly offensive, but if you don't want that people you simply wouldn't profit from them, probably KKK or so would use your facility for their meetings... or not and you get bankrupt.

RULE No1 if you a white British person ..NEVER EAT FROM A KEBAB SHOP..
Not unless you see them cook it in front of you..

Like kebab always on the front of the shop ..But then again what's in the KEBAB ..

I wont even eat out of a Muslim looking food take away shop..NEVER EVER..

THEY SPIT IN YOUR DINNER    ..

Islamophobia threat is being used as a powerful tool by the liberals. Cops are afraid to act in cases where the perpetrators are Muslims. A perfect example is the Rotherham child sex scandal, in which more than 1,400 native British children were targeted. The cops ignored it, as they were afraid that they would be accused of Islamophobia.

They don't have a right to refuse..

Islam i.e religion is not the same as being gay..People change religion people cannot change being gay..

Like i own a hotel and this is my sign     forgive me for swearing..

BLACK BASTARDS NOT WELCOME..

WHITE BASTARDS NOT WELCOME

PAKI BASTARDS NOT WELCOME

Should i take my sign down or do i have a right to refuse anyone from those signs ..

Remember someone white cannot help who they are..
BUT RELIGION YOU CAN PREACH WHAT EVER YOU LIKE..It's a make belief system..

But do i have a right to put a sign in my window     remember i do own the hotel..

REMEMBER THEY ARE SELLING TO THE PUBLIC..Not baking cakes for family only..

Now by law a shop as no right to refuse anyone under religious grounds .

Well i don't like hindu ..i don't like Christians ..When do you stop.

So you want to sell to the public BUT choose which people you sell too..

OH they are spotty not selling to him or her..
Oh one with a club foot get out ..

Sorry it doesn't work that way..

You're being mean to them! Their world is a paradox resembling a bit those drawings of Jehovah Witnesses' magazine. With a tiger and a lamb walking together by the green fields near a multi-racial family, where a black man and a white woman somehow had a Chinese son...

About "facts", the internet is not turning to be the information highway, but rather a disinformation highway; the seek for information created the "studies market", so now everybody has "a study" to verify his claims, no matter how twisted those studies are.

Back OT, I don't know if I would ever eat anything someone was forced to cook... probably isn't a good idea, is it?

The SJW's are the same people that go ahead and flip out when I point the obvious homophobia that is present in Islamic lands and is accepted by a good amount of the Islamic community and the amount of prison time and tortue these people are put to in Islamic areas and communities his horrid.

Though it's something the left will never admit to, as they can't accept that the Muslims aren't going to be good people all around and whenever we try to point these out we're Islamophobic, hate migrants, hate refugees, and so on and so forth. Someone is going to have to teach these people real life and give them the real data, not some spoonfed liberal garbage like what is present on CNN, and other Liberal news sources.

Are they not in the times as of yet!?
Didn't the leading actor who's movie won the oscar for best picture a Muslim and the movie he was portrayed in that same way?

Time to become more accepting of your fellow man unless all you are indeed stone cold hearted and never go forward and only stuck in the stone ages.
But look.. you use up the time technology. Television, telephones, computers, cars, cell phones and look what your using now.. the internet
Oh yes.. the western civilization's influence has been just so bad for your culture.
Just get off it already and accept the way the world is.. your bleak religion views are going the way of the cave man.

@Daniel91

Seams like we are living on a World where everyone thinks he can command others what to do with their property.
You don't see so many non-US citizens asking for Trump to leave?
And how about hotels who refuse children? Or gays? Or lesbians?...

What you said just makes sense in a World where people understands up to where they can order someone to do something with what that someone owns... doesn't seams to be case of this one.

I think that we should respect their decision.
There is no law that I have to accept offer from every customer.
If I don't have enough resources, time etc. to fulfill order, I have right to refuse.
It's freedom and democracy, after all.
Guys could simple ask other shop for the wedding cake.
If shop feels that making cakes for Gay wedding may ruin their reputation, and damage their business, they have right to refuse.
Do we want to force people in the free market what to do and how to lead their business?

SJW's love -phobia ended words.
The problem is when both worlds collide: in this case Islamophobia vs Homophobia... they get a short-circuit in their only 2 brain cells and get unable to move.  

If any christian would have done this then there would be a lot of protests because of muh homophobia

Christians are supposed to be civilized by now so if this happened in a Christian bakery then they should be lambasted by the media.

Muslims are backward creatures 100 years behind the Christians. When they do these kinds of things then everyone thinks its normal behavior. So why cover it in the media? These beasts kill their own children when they embarrass them. Whats not wanting to bake a cake compare to that?

This is the double standard that I'm referring to, the only time that public servants will come out and scrutinize people for stuff like this is when they know they'll be getting news coverage from the MSM who'll support their cause without an issue. When the opposite things happens to a Muslim bakery and people are outraged people won't come out and say anything because they think they'll be perceived as Racist, Islamophobic and so on.

This whole Islamophobia thing is something that was present at one point around 9/11 but it's not really something that is as widespread as the Liberal news organizations want people to believe, it's just used as something to say against people that don't support Liberal causes.

Where is  Brad Avakian (Oregon Labor Commissioner) hiding now? Do we have any statements from him yet? It seems like he is having problems only with Christians. When Muslims harass the gays, it is perfectly halal.

I think this is absolutely disgusting in a multitude of ways, and I'm not talking in the way of them not wanting to bake a cake for the Gay wedding. I personally don't have an issue with Gay marriage in the least but people must understand the issue some religions and people have relating to it, and that is bound to occur. The real issue I have with this is the double standard is that present, if this was a Christian owned bakery the local and major news outlets would be their in seconds to pound reporting down peoples throats.

Not just the media but riots  would have already be in progress in order to boycott the company itself for doing this act. I think there was a story around last year about all this occuring around last year

Here is the Muslim bakery story - https://twitter.com/AndyHortin/status/833810934887911424?s=09

What do you guys think about this?