Topic: My email to Coindesk.com regarding censorship/comments policy (Read 2377 times)
This community has no official spokesman of coindesk
My advice is for this NXT project: identify fully every single person you meet on there because it is literally crawling with criminals. Even the core technology is fraudulent.
More info on the criminal who posted the above: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bluemeanie1-100-btc-theft-scammoney-stolen-from-community-656116
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Name: Joshua Zeidner
Location: Phoenix, AZ, United States
Email: [email protected]
Skype: joshzeidner / blue.meanie4
Google Plus: https://plus.google.com/100818431569428589869/posts
Censored address: **** ******** Polk St Phoenix, AZ 85007
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mirror: http://pastebin.com/REK406cm
My advice is for this NXT project: identify fully every single person you meet on there because it is literally crawling with criminals. Even the core technology is fraudulent.
More info on the criminal who posted the above: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bluemeanie1-100-btc-theft-scammoney-stolen-from-community-656116
they posted this picture btw as some sort of evidence that Patrick Byrne supported NXT. Apparently they like to make Patrick Byrne's face clear, but not their own.
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My advice is for this NXT project: identify fully every single person you meet on there because it is literally crawling with criminals. Even the core technology is fraudulent. Every single claim about this technology stems from ONE person- who is fully anonymous. There is absolutely nothing attractive about this project.
This 'Evil Dave' guy is some sort of Irish immigrant to the Netherlands. If you shed any light on the various people in this project you will see that you are interacting with petty criminals and sociopaths.
the person with his back to the camera(of course) is Evil Dave.
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This 'Evil Dave' guy is some sort of Irish immigrant to the Netherlands. If you shed any light on the various people in this project you will see that you are interacting with petty criminals and sociopaths.
the person with his back to the camera(of course) is Evil Dave.
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"there is no honor among thieves."
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Farley what are you denying at this point? are you denying that:
1) 200 BTC was stolen because the server security was compromised? (Farley is partly responsible for this server btw)
2) that fanaticalfishing DIDN'T send this message? (I guess he's suggesting I made it up)
so just to make clear, prior to this entire community coming out against me, I was trying to figure out what had happened to the 200 BTC. From what I understand police were contacted regarding this and I think a few of the 'leaders' of the 'decentralized' NXT community are going to be in the hot seat. To make a long story short, someone supposedly hacked John Manglaviti's account, impersonated him, and convinced people to send him 200 BTC. That was the story we were given.
My suggestion to everyone: stay off these forums. They are crawling with petty criminals(and worse).
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1) 200 BTC was stolen because the server security was compromised? (Farley is partly responsible for this server btw)
2) that fanaticalfishing DIDN'T send this message? (I guess he's suggesting I made it up)
so just to make clear, prior to this entire community coming out against me, I was trying to figure out what had happened to the 200 BTC. From what I understand police were contacted regarding this and I think a few of the 'leaders' of the 'decentralized' NXT community are going to be in the hot seat. To make a long story short, someone supposedly hacked John Manglaviti's account, impersonated him, and convinced people to send him 200 BTC. That was the story we were given.
My suggestion to everyone: stay off these forums. They are crawling with petty criminals(and worse).
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I love these two points. Just enough lack of accuracy and just enough hinting to tie someone to something he is not involved in.
If you had bothered to do any research (as we as nxtforum admins and forumusers have), you could have already seen that there was no theft of 200, but of 74 Bitcoin.
And yes, before you say it, that is BAD. The reason why I am pointing this out is that one of the facts you parade is WRONG, and yet you bold it. So it must apparently be important for your argument.
Next time, please do some research before you keep parading false facts. The 74 Bitcoin theft is bad enough.
Farl4bit is a moderator. Moderators are NOT responsible for servers. God forbid if they were. Most of them are on a forum for tasks that need different skills, like being able to deal with people.
Furthermore, there is no indication that the servers were compromised. The most credible way that this account was compromised was simple user carelessness, and again, that is bad enough.
Your accusation betrays a lack of insight in the tasks that people fulfil and go way over the line. If you want to accuse farl4bit (or ME for that matter, as I am an admin there) of theft, do so outright, or take it to the authorities. Snide remarks that cast doubt on people's integrity are a low form of attack. Man up, and go to the police and file a complaint, please.
2. Yes, fanaticalfishing díd send a PM. It did not concern you. Yet you feel the need to post it. Actions speak louder than words.
If you have proof that we have done anything wrong, please file a case. I'll be more than happy to meet you in court.
The other way is to just keep on with this farce and try to smear everyone else in the world.
You, sir, are no gentleman.
this arrived in my inbox today from "fanaticalfishing". Apparently the forum members decided that he was responsible for the theft of almost $250,000 from the forums.
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Quote from: VanBreuk on June 21, 2014, 08:59:20 pm
A: And what if the guys running the servers dedice to gang up together and steal the bitcoins?
B: At this moment, no solution is completely trustless. This solution might be as trustless as it gets, but I'm sure James can give a better answer to this than me.
This is one of the reasons I will have nothing more to do with this project.
If anything bad happens, those who do nothing but post crap in a newsgroup are already getting ready to point fingers at the guys paying hundreds of dollars for the high end servers out of their own pockets and working hundreds of hours to make the system secure.
Count me out.
A: And what if the guys running the servers dedice to gang up together and steal the bitcoins?
B: At this moment, no solution is completely trustless. This solution might be as trustless as it gets, but I'm sure James can give a better answer to this than me.
This is one of the reasons I will have nothing more to do with this project.
If anything bad happens, those who do nothing but post crap in a newsgroup are already getting ready to point fingers at the guys paying hundreds of dollars for the high end servers out of their own pockets and working hundreds of hours to make the system secure.
Count me out.
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What??Not true.
Fanaticalfishing PM'ed us (mods on nxtforum.org) this morning about his account. He said he made a mistake in his mail-settings and was locked out. We moderators are helping him now. So..that's it.
Farley what are you denying at this point? are you denying that:
1) 200 BTC was stolen because the server security was compromised? (Farley is partly responsible for this server btw)
2) that fanaticalfishing DIDN'T send this message? (I guess he's suggesting I made it up)
so just to make clear, prior to this entire community coming out against me, I was trying to figure out what had happened to the 200 BTC. From what I understand police were contacted regarding this and I think a few of the 'leaders' of the 'decentralized' NXT community are going to be in the hot seat. To make a long story short, someone supposedly hacked John Manglaviti's account, impersonated him, and convinced people to send him 200 BTC. That was the story we were given.
My suggestion to everyone: stay off these forums. They are crawling with petty criminals(and worse).
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That is plain FUD, bm.
We were discussing in a conversation potential security concerns for a service, and bringing up end user questions as they could be made. One was the classic question that could be addressed to any exchange hosting an account - what if the exchange owner decides to take the coins? Which brings the point of why multisignature accounts are safer than regular accounts.
Fanaticalfishing suddenly decided he didn't want to be involved anymore in server management in that service and sent a group message to everyone inside of the development group (where you still were one of the recipients) saying he didn't want to stay involved. That's his personal decision, it's not based in anything else. No one accused fanaticalfishing of anything.
He also decided to change the email for his account. That required re-activating his account and he sent the staff a PM to address that.
That's all there is to it, so please don't make up stuff.
We were discussing in a conversation potential security concerns for a service, and bringing up end user questions as they could be made. One was the classic question that could be addressed to any exchange hosting an account - what if the exchange owner decides to take the coins? Which brings the point of why multisignature accounts are safer than regular accounts.
Fanaticalfishing suddenly decided he didn't want to be involved anymore in server management in that service and sent a group message to everyone inside of the development group (where you still were one of the recipients) saying he didn't want to stay involved. That's his personal decision, it's not based in anything else. No one accused fanaticalfishing of anything.
He also decided to change the email for his account. That required re-activating his account and he sent the staff a PM to address that.
That's all there is to it, so please don't make up stuff.
this arrived in my inbox today from "fanaticalfishing". Apparently the forum members decided that he was responsible for the theft of almost $250,000 from the forums.
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Quote from: VanBreuk on June 21, 2014, 08:59:20 pm
A: And what if the guys running the servers dedice to gang up together and steal the bitcoins?
B: At this moment, no solution is completely trustless. This solution might be as trustless as it gets, but I'm sure James can give a better answer to this than me.
This is one of the reasons I will have nothing more to do with this project.
If anything bad happens, those who do nothing but post crap in a newsgroup are already getting ready to point fingers at the guys paying hundreds of dollars for the high end servers out of their own pockets and working hundreds of hours to make the system secure.
Count me out.
A: And what if the guys running the servers dedice to gang up together and steal the bitcoins?
B: At this moment, no solution is completely trustless. This solution might be as trustless as it gets, but I'm sure James can give a better answer to this than me.
This is one of the reasons I will have nothing more to do with this project.
If anything bad happens, those who do nothing but post crap in a newsgroup are already getting ready to point fingers at the guys paying hundreds of dollars for the high end servers out of their own pockets and working hundreds of hours to make the system secure.
Count me out.
-bm
What??Not true.
Fanaticalfishing PM'ed us (mods on nxtforum.org) this morning about his account. He said he made a mistake in his mail-settings and was locked out. We moderators are helping him now. So..that's it.
this arrived in my inbox today from "fanaticalfishing". Apparently the forum members decided that he was responsible for the theft of almost $250,000 from the forums.
-bm
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Quote from: VanBreuk on June 21, 2014, 08:59:20 pm
A: And what if the guys running the servers dedice to gang up together and steal the bitcoins?
B: At this moment, no solution is completely trustless. This solution might be as trustless as it gets, but I'm sure James can give a better answer to this than me.
This is one of the reasons I will have nothing more to do with this project.
If anything bad happens, those who do nothing but post crap in a newsgroup are already getting ready to point fingers at the guys paying hundreds of dollars for the high end servers out of their own pockets and working hundreds of hours to make the system secure.
Count me out.
A: And what if the guys running the servers dedice to gang up together and steal the bitcoins?
B: At this moment, no solution is completely trustless. This solution might be as trustless as it gets, but I'm sure James can give a better answer to this than me.
This is one of the reasons I will have nothing more to do with this project.
If anything bad happens, those who do nothing but post crap in a newsgroup are already getting ready to point fingers at the guys paying hundreds of dollars for the high end servers out of their own pockets and working hundreds of hours to make the system secure.
Count me out.
-bm
this arrived in my inbox today from "fanaticalfishing". Apparently the forum members decided that he was responsible for the theft of almost $250,000 from the forums.
-bm
Quote
Quote from: VanBreuk on June 21, 2014, 08:59:20 pm
A: And what if the guys running the servers dedice to gang up together and steal the bitcoins?
B: At this moment, no solution is completely trustless. This solution might be as trustless as it gets, but I'm sure James can give a better answer to this than me.
This is one of the reasons I will have nothing more to do with this project.
If anything bad happens, those who do nothing but post crap in a newsgroup are already getting ready to point fingers at the guys paying hundreds of dollars for the high end servers out of their own pockets and working hundreds of hours to make the system secure.
Count me out.
A: And what if the guys running the servers dedice to gang up together and steal the bitcoins?
B: At this moment, no solution is completely trustless. This solution might be as trustless as it gets, but I'm sure James can give a better answer to this than me.
This is one of the reasons I will have nothing more to do with this project.
If anything bad happens, those who do nothing but post crap in a newsgroup are already getting ready to point fingers at the guys paying hundreds of dollars for the high end servers out of their own pockets and working hundreds of hours to make the system secure.
Count me out.
-bm
Wait,
So this guy did steal 1m NXT and was threatening me to sue for libel cause I asked him about it?
So this guy did steal 1m NXT and was threatening me to sue for libel cause I asked him about it?
I certainly did get taste of what happens when a mob of anonymous people lose money and decide that YOU did it, simply because you're the only one within reach. On the NXT forums there is a shady anonymous character by the name of jl777 who issued nearly 2-3 million USD worth of assets and it's estimated he sold nearly .5 million dollars worth. On one of these assets he decided to put my name. Are you one of these anonymous idiots? Because if you continue to threaten me or libel me, there will be legal consequences.
I imagine it's similar for Mark. What outstanding legitimate charge is there against Mark Karpeles? He's not guilty simply because you lost your bitcoins.
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I imagine it's similar for Mark. What outstanding legitimate charge is there against Mark Karpeles? He's not guilty simply because you lost your bitcoins.
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The handle I am using is actually my name.....
And no, I was just asking.
And the only one threatening right now is you....
To answer your question, he said he would develop NXTautoDAC, got paid up front and cashed out 1M Nxt on bter without writing a single line of code.
For proof, have a look at: https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=1381.msg47907#msg47907
I certainly did get taste of what happens when a mob of anonymous people lose money and decide that YOU did it, simply because you're the only one within reach. On the NXT forums there is a shady anonymous character by the name of jl777 who issued nearly 2-3 million USD worth of assets and it's estimated he sold nearly .5 million dollars worth. On one of these assets he decided to put my name. Are you one of these anonymous idiots? Because if you continue to threaten me or libel me, there will be legal consequences.
I imagine it's similar for Mark. What outstanding legitimate charge is there against Mark Karpeles? He's not guilty simply because you lost your bitcoins.
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I imagine it's similar for Mark. What outstanding legitimate charge is there against Mark Karpeles? He's not guilty simply because you lost your bitcoins.
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The handle I am using is actually my name.....
And no, I was just asking.
And the only one threatening right now is you....
and btw NXT is a huge fraud technology wise. 'Transparent Forging' may even rival Open Transactions in vaporware tales. They have hand coded ECC routines in there that were 'changed a little'.
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What is going to happen when the first assassination or terrorist operation shows up on one of these p2p fundraising systems?
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what is unbelievable to me, is that after these people lose their money- they *continue* to interact with this anonymous character. He goes by the name of 'James' and claims he has Korean nationality, lives currently in Argentina, and claims to 'travel around a lot'. There were also reports of his interactions on Counterparty as well.
I did not ever pay this person anything, I did not issue any assets, nor did I sell any assets that he sent me. This Asset Exchange has some very significant dangers.
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I did not ever pay this person anything, I did not issue any assets, nor did I sell any assets that he sent me. This Asset Exchange has some very significant dangers.
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I certainly did get taste of what happens when a mob of anonymous people lose money and decide that YOU did it, simply because you're the only one within reach. On the NXT forums there is a shady anonymous character by the name of jl777 who issued nearly 2-3 million USD worth of assets and it's estimated he sold nearly .5 million dollars worth. On one of these assets he decided to put my name. Are you one of these anonymous idiots? Because if you continue to threaten me or libel me, there will be legal consequences.
I imagine it's similar for Mark. What outstanding legitimate charge is there against Mark Karpeles? He's not guilty simply because you lost your bitcoins.
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I imagine it's similar for Mark. What outstanding legitimate charge is there against Mark Karpeles? He's not guilty simply because you lost your bitcoins.
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There is a great danger in making judgments of someone based on anonymous comments. This is why we have a justice system, to protect individuals from the angry mob.
I lost money with Mt Gox, do I know Mark Karpeles did it? no, I don't.
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I lost money with Mt Gox, do I know Mark Karpeles did it? no, I don't.
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Sorry, completely off topic but weren't people accusing you of stealing 1m NXT?
There is a great danger in making judgments of someone based on anonymous comments. This is why we have a justice system, to protect individuals from the angry mob.
I lost money with Mt Gox, do I know Mark Karpeles did it? no, I don't.
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I lost money with Mt Gox, do I know Mark Karpeles did it? no, I don't.
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I have questions about Marks role in the Gox debacle. I think we all do. That's what my first comment essentially asked; "Do we know yet what happened at Gox?"
As to your comment; I hate the fraudulent fractional reserve banking system, operated by the criminal private Federal Reserve Bank with their government awarded monopoly on money creation. They are parasites and they enable parasites.
But why did coindesk censor my comment about alternatives to using exhanges like Gox, yet slander, libel, and trolling wasn't? I was engaging another user and they deleted, without explanation, my comment. I don't understand how my comment went against the comments policy.
And I further don't understand why a comment that is obviously against their policy was not deleted.
WTF coindesk censor? Whoever you are.
As to your comment; I hate the fraudulent fractional reserve banking system, operated by the criminal private Federal Reserve Bank with their government awarded monopoly on money creation. They are parasites and they enable parasites.
But why did coindesk censor my comment about alternatives to using exhanges like Gox, yet slander, libel, and trolling wasn't? I was engaging another user and they deleted, without explanation, my comment. I don't understand how my comment went against the comments policy.
And I further don't understand why a comment that is obviously against their policy was not deleted.
WTF coindesk censor? Whoever you are.
http://www.sott.net/article/262958-9-trillion-missing-from-the-Federal-Reserve-Kinda-misplaced-it-Huh
Do you see them not living their life large?
That being said, I still believe that Mark is "innocent" in the way that he was fucked.
By who I do not know, but if I owned the world's largest BTC exchange and making a shit load of money out of it, I would keep at it.
I know I will probably get hammered for this especially from members who lost - sorry I didn't - but the fact remains (to me) IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!!!
Feel free to hammer me, I am looking at things as an outsider so please be gentle.
Do you see them not living their life large?
That being said, I still believe that Mark is "innocent" in the way that he was fucked.
By who I do not know, but if I owned the world's largest BTC exchange and making a shit load of money out of it, I would keep at it.
I know I will probably get hammered for this especially from members who lost - sorry I didn't - but the fact remains (to me) IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!!!!
Feel free to hammer me, I am looking at things as an outsider so please be gentle.
On this article;
http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-victims-angered-mark-karpeles-twitter-return/
My first comment;
"Has the investigation revealed any criminal elements?
Or was it Caveat Emptor for Gox users, who misplaced their trust?
Will there be any recourse??
Erik Voorheis in his "Bitcoin A Libertarian Introduction" warned us about letting anyone else hold our private keys. This written warning was issued in April 2012. If you havent read it yet I highly suggest it. All very relevant still except the section on purchasing BTC. That's changed a bit since April 2012.
I know it's painful to lose money. My condolences to those who used Mt. Gox."
A reply from another reader;
"Well, your grandma doesn't know what private key is. She better to entrust her bitcoin to you. Otherwise she may lost their bitcoin because she doesn't have any backup while she lost her phone or someone stole her bitcoin by offering fancy games installed on her laptop. And you can make some money by becoming “Trustee”
Just make sure that you are:
• Trusted
• Reliable
• Insured
• Know what private key is and how to secure it"
My response/comment which was censored;
"I've helped numerous people get into BTC.
We use localbitcoins.com and electrum wallet.
I charge 3% of the total (in btc) plus gas if I have to drive.
Not one person who I've helped purchase btc has lost any.
I like to think I am trustworthy but I am all too human...
What scares me is that I know there are things I don't know.
Is Electrum as secure as I believe it to be?
Will there be a bitcoin 2.0 making btc 1.0 worthless?
Is having my associates pay a premium on localbitcoins.com to avoid "verified accounts" on the exchanges the best strategy??
Privacy>Maximum btc???
My grandparents are all dead...
But I know plenty of grandparents who are computer literate.
With Liberty (financial for now) comes responsibility. Part of my helping
people get into BTC is to bring to their attention awesome websites like
coindesk and informative articles like the one Erik wrote. I don't just throw them to the wolves."
I would like to know how this comment was in violation of the comment policy. Why was this comment deleted??
The comments policy states;
"
Constant trolling of others to get into arguments will be noticed. The appropriate action will be taken.
Any potentially libellous posting or comments in breach of copyright will be deleted.
And yet this comment by username d3rrl is allowed to stay;
"You mean Erik Voorheis the con man? yes, lets take more advice from him!"
And some responses to this comment;
"Everything this guy says (d3rrl) must be disregarded. He's a troll (period)!"
"Why did you call Erik V. a con man? The guy is as strait as they come."
"I am not aware of Erik being involved in any cons. Got a link to verify this libel??
Either way, the article I referenced above is not diminished by the allegations you raise.
Have you read it?"
So why was my respectful, thoughtful comment censored, meanwhile the obvious troll spewing libel stands?
I'm getting tired of this seemingly nonsensical censorship policy. It is plainly obvious I am not writing the libel or trolling. I am writing appropriate comments that are on point; comments which contribute to the discussion rather than ruin it. I would appreciate an explanation as to why my comment was censored yet the obvious trolling libel is not censored.
http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-victims-angered-mark-karpeles-twitter-return/
My first comment;
"Has the investigation revealed any criminal elements?
Or was it Caveat Emptor for Gox users, who misplaced their trust?
Will there be any recourse??
Erik Voorheis in his "Bitcoin A Libertarian Introduction" warned us about letting anyone else hold our private keys. This written warning was issued in April 2012. If you havent read it yet I highly suggest it. All very relevant still except the section on purchasing BTC. That's changed a bit since April 2012.
I know it's painful to lose money. My condolences to those who used Mt. Gox."
A reply from another reader;
"Well, your grandma doesn't know what private key is. She better to entrust her bitcoin to you. Otherwise she may lost their bitcoin because she doesn't have any backup while she lost her phone or someone stole her bitcoin by offering fancy games installed on her laptop. And you can make some money by becoming “Trustee”
Just make sure that you are:
• Trusted
• Reliable
• Insured
• Know what private key is and how to secure it"
My response/comment which was censored;
"I've helped numerous people get into BTC.
We use localbitcoins.com and electrum wallet.
I charge 3% of the total (in btc) plus gas if I have to drive.
Not one person who I've helped purchase btc has lost any.
I like to think I am trustworthy but I am all too human...
What scares me is that I know there are things I don't know.
Is Electrum as secure as I believe it to be?
Will there be a bitcoin 2.0 making btc 1.0 worthless?
Is having my associates pay a premium on localbitcoins.com to avoid "verified accounts" on the exchanges the best strategy??
Privacy>Maximum btc???
My grandparents are all dead...
But I know plenty of grandparents who are computer literate.
With Liberty (financial for now) comes responsibility. Part of my helping
people get into BTC is to bring to their attention awesome websites like
coindesk and informative articles like the one Erik wrote. I don't just throw them to the wolves."
I would like to know how this comment was in violation of the comment policy. Why was this comment deleted??
The comments policy states;
"
Constant trolling of others to get into arguments will be noticed. The appropriate action will be taken.
Any potentially libellous posting or comments in breach of copyright will be deleted.
And yet this comment by username d3rrl is allowed to stay;
"You mean Erik Voorheis the con man? yes, lets take more advice from him!"
And some responses to this comment;
"Everything this guy says (d3rrl) must be disregarded. He's a troll (period)!"
"Why did you call Erik V. a con man? The guy is as strait as they come."
"I am not aware of Erik being involved in any cons. Got a link to verify this libel??
Either way, the article I referenced above is not diminished by the allegations you raise.
Have you read it?"
So why was my respectful, thoughtful comment censored, meanwhile the obvious troll spewing libel stands?
I'm getting tired of this seemingly nonsensical censorship policy. It is plainly obvious I am not writing the libel or trolling. I am writing appropriate comments that are on point; comments which contribute to the discussion rather than ruin it. I would appreciate an explanation as to why my comment was censored yet the obvious trolling libel is not censored.
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