Topic: My Experience on Bulk Bankroll vs Partial Bankroll (Read 356 times)

Same here although my only difference with you is that I don't want to play longer. Despite of a limited bankroll, I still make sure that I am not betting too small so that when I play on a slightly higher multiplier and when it hits, I still get something decent.

Why did you lose instantly when you play with a much larger balance? Did you accidentally push that max bet button? Because, I can't find any reason for you to lose instantly in the game, other than that. I know these things because I and other gamblers do already experienced it. This is why many crypto casinos now have the option to disable the max bet feature. In gambling it's also important to not be greedy but we must learn to stop so that the money that we already win won't turn into a stone/dust.

When you are really just that going for longer duration then you would really be that minding on  how you would really be making your capital to last up as long it should which it would really be pertaining
on trying to save up or making minimal amount of bet on each roll or bet.

It doesnt really matter though because not all would really be that impulsive and having that good control when it comes to their capital.Sustaining or trying to make the duration as long
as possible.It is understandable that you neither be doing those impulsive actions and that would be situational.

I think if the purpose is playing for long, it doesn't apply effectively with the small bankroll and limited budget at most cases.

If you are in a small bankroll and want to play longer, what you need to do is just bet around the minimum amount allowed.

Although in that way, you have to accept that it will take time to feel the profit and you need tons of luck to hit good multipliers to somehow feel the profit when betting in a small amount.

Partial or small bankroll is still better for me especially if you have a limited budget and wanted to play longer.
I guess this will always depend on how much risk you can take and how much money you have during that time. I did some bulk bankroll before, and I just lose in an instant that's why I started to limit my bet at a small amount and just enjoy the game while not expecting to make money that much.

almost the same story but my experience in roulette.
when I use the money I made from the signature campaign around $50 I will easily make a profit of around $100 to $150 with a base bet of $5 - $10.
but my mistake was when using a betting budget of $ 50 and getting a profit for example $ 100 I will continue to bet until I want to get $ 300 and I continue to continue my betting on roulette in the end all the winning money and my budget are used up.

but when using a $10 or $20 betting budget I am more careful and enjoy every bet I make to $100 and when I get to $100 I stop and withdraw my winnings.


the conclusion from what I experienced was that when we gamble using a large budget, of course we will chase big wins with a bigger base bet. because it is the nature of greedy gamblers when holding a big budget.
but when using a small budget for gambling, we will definitely value our budget more by betting small bets and betting carefully.

When we see that we have a large balance in our account, we will want to gamble with big money because we will assume that it will be okay to lose that amount. After all, we still have more money in our account. It will also make us greedy, especially when we can win big wins. It will make us bet even more. But the reality is that we will lose more money, even the winning money that was in our wallet, we will use it to bet.

So instead of having that kind of experience, I prefer to prepare some money and use it for gambling but not immediately use it. That way, if I use the minimum bet, I can gamble a bit longer and who knows, I can get a decent return or break even.

That is a pretty nice return, hope you can keep it up this year. Like you I am also using a fixed gambling balance each month, but mine is a bit lower, I usually only use only 100 USD per month for gambling. Whenever I make a profit I take half of the profit for saving, and the rest I allow myself to increase my bankroll for the next week. Your partial bankroll approach seems much better in my opinion, you are betting on higher winning chances and manage to get a higher profit as well. I think it's best to try and reduce your risk of going bankrupt as much as possible. For me poker is the best game to make a consistent profit overtime, I am also using a partial bankroll approach and keep sticking to the smaller blind tables. Its better to   stick to a winning strategy and making small gains to our bankroll than risk losing everything in one bad streak.

This is a well-considered and common practice of playing with a small bankroll, although I very rarely play, but I also adhere to the same tactic of not putting all available funds on the line, especially since I am not some kind of advanced player, but sometimes greed can interfere and change plans, but put up to 20% of the available free means it is reasonable.

Small bankroll works fine to me, it's not because I always lose if I play using bulk bankroll and I always win if I play using partial bankroll, but small bankroll will control your emotion and you have nothing to lose. When you're use all of your bankroll, you will play with under pressure and you're only chase to win which is not good for your mental health. It's better to allocate 5-10% of your money to gamble.

None. I deposit a small amount, I gamble, if that week I win an amount I consider sufficient, I withdraw it, and if not I gamble until I run out of funds and deposit again later.

Using bankroll management in negative expected value games can only make your money last longer, not win or not win.


Another way of putting it is that each roll is mathematically independent of the previous one.

The only possible advantage I see for one bankroll strategy over another is the psychological effect:


Often, more than luck or probability, it is our emotions that screw up the results. If you find that the second bankroll management strategy works for you, use it instead of the first, but it will probably give you better results because it makes you play more rationally and not because it gives you better results mathematically.

In general, I have eventually adopted an approach that makes the most of those strokes of luck. They're not around all the time. So when winning, especially if on a streak, I often think it's best to raise bets. There is confidence instead of worrying you might lose. And then there's the money to bet. But when that luck is gone, it's about time to reduce bets. Going back to step 1 is the way. But I don't maintain my bet when I'm winning. That would be boring and it feels like it's a waste of opportunity.

My betting style is similar to your partial bankroll, it's always best to place the same amount regardless of the outcome so I don't feel the need to recover the loss on my next round but i'd sometimes do a bet increase whenever I feel confident about the next bet like for example if I notice the dealer is handing out several aces or 10s on blackjack. I also tried to do that bulk bankroll style before and doubling up on a loss is one of the worst strategies for me because most of the time i'll just lose as it only takes a small losing streak to easily

This was crazy but sometimes, luck really comes to us depending on our deposited bankroll on that particular session. In my case though, I do feel lucky sometimes with the partial bankroll. That's the time I need to discipline myself on whether I will still continue to play when I already hit a good profit.

Partial bankroll to me is always my habit. I do win. But if only I have do more extras, I really prefer doing a bulk bankroll and test my luck.

The larger the bankroll, the more chances of winning to me.

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Even with no direct involvement in our winning chances, I'm one of those guys who believes that luck is always at me when I choose to play at the start with bulk and decent bankroll and not a small one. I know that in gambling, there is a famous quote that the longer we play, the more chance of losing but in my case, the longer I play, the more I do have luck and that was proven.

Just go with the flow then and will keep that gambling behavior of mine.

To be honest, I've rarely played the game you play.  especially to play Blackjack, I can't remember the last time I played it. but the essence is the same, that when we visit a casino, it is none other than to gamble, regardless of the type of gambling. I mostly bet on football, or, play slots which are easier without having to use any skills and just hoping for luck.

Referring to what you told in this thread, I guess it is a matter of habit. I mean, patterns that become your habits. either when you play with a big bankroll, or, a small bankroll.  the difference is, when you play with a big bankroll, you lose a little bit of control because you aim for more wins. but the opposite happens, when you use a small bankroll. you play more carefully, because as you say. if you bet carelessly, the game will end quickly.

I don't want to teach you, or patronize. sometimes, realizing it or not, the strong urge to target or want to get big wins has always been our problem. which in the end, we become greedy and careless. So, your experience is our experience. however, at least, you have to change the pattern that becomes your habit. at least, you are not motivated to always make big profits every gambling session. I myself only play with a small bankroll when playing slots. because the winning ratio we have, is very small. but for football betting, I can bet with a big bankroll. but it depends on which team will compete, and what is the probability of winning that I will get from a single betting session.

Some casino will start with less money as the bank payroll.But they was honest on all winners and pay them them heavy 1$ winning.Then they will do of new name on the industry.Because for the sending of less amount of fees may be high sometimes.The casino should not skip the less winning us people,they may be the person without luck .The winning from each it was make sense,the I people involved in the gambling websites should take the care of winning money also.

Not just with small bets, but if you got redeemed those free bets and put it in the line, as you have said, you just pick that parlay with high odds and then you just don't care, and later you found it that you won. And now that's where it become interesting because you have a new set, like x5 or x10 of that small amount. But it seems that you run out of luck and it's like someone is pulling you not to win as it get harder. And so we think that small amounts will do in the beginning for most of us and just pick up just decent odds next for that win.

Those calculations from the house edge are very theoretical. Blackjack is a game with the rather low volatility but its volatility is not smaller than a dice game. And losing 10 hands in a row, or 30-40 hands over one hour is not rare at all. Then it means you can easily lose $100 in less than two hours with $5 hands if you are in a bad day. It's just 2 consecutive hours with 30 losing hands out of 50 :
 30 x $5 - (50-30) x $5 = $150 - 20 x $5 = $150 - $100 = $50 for one hour
 $50 x 2 = $100 for two hours
It's enough to wipe out an average bank roll of a random gambler.

Limitation and extreme discipline and control would be always the key on which it doesnt matter how big you are using as a capital or whatever behavior that you are trying out to follow.If you arent that good on

handling your emotions then those plans and targets wouldnt really be followed because they could anytime would be change if you have put up into your mind that you wouldn't care if you do lose all of those bankroll
in shortest time as possible.Each of us does really have that kind of behavior which would differ on each other.

Important thing on here is that you should really just that spend on the amount which you can afford to lose.

I agree that our behavior towards betting regardless of our bankroll has a huge affect on our winning results. If ever we use partial bankroll if we continuously chase our losses just to recover we will surely end up with worse losses. I've tried applying both and the result still relied on my luck.
I think it is still important to put limitations and try to control ourselves from compulsive betting especially if we are on hype by our emotions. We can stay focused but be mindful or our bets and take control of our greed.

Bulk bankroll is tempting but it wouldn't profit you most times because you are anxious to win,making you to over calculate your game,which will finally lead to your loss. Though,this works for some gamblers that love to take high risk when betting, but believe me,if you win,you win big.

Partial bank roll enables you to stay focus on your game since it is a small amount that you are staking with. It is when you are greedy that you won't see it  profitable, before you know it,you will be tempted to stake high amount and before you know it,you will see yourself losing and chasing your loss.

It seems that the OP already found his strategy to earn profit. But I think, it will not be the case all the time.
You can't guarantee that you will always go home as a winner by using small bankroll.
But if he thinks, he's in control with smaller bankroll, then use it to his own advantage.
Whether big or small bankroll, if you don't know when to stop, I believe, you will go home as a loser.
Patience is also needed when you are playing small, as it would take a lot of bets before you will see a lil bit of profit.

Doesnt matter whether you are going for partial or bulk bankroll when you arent lucky then you would definitely lose a certain game and if in luck then you do win.It is really just that the duration which we could really

make out that comparison because if you are really that having that impulsive approach and trying out to double your bet just because you are in a hurry for you to win or make your money big then this is where

all-in type of behavior would really set in, ending up for you to lost up the entire balance in no time and this is something that we should avoid on the time we do gamble.
It is really that important on having that control as always.

I have been lucky on partial bank roll more times than with bulk bankroll. So out of experience, I find myself using it more often. Because I bet on sports and also wager in online casinos, partial bankroll reduces my risk to reward ratio. It is a win-win for me just as the proverbial do not put all your eggs in one basket. Anyways, I always wager with a plan in mind so I go in with a strategy and stay focus.

What truly matters is that you find your own strategy and know what truly works for you and I'm sure you already know what to do from your writings already.
I think the first approach is chasing after losses and to the best of my knowledge, those who indulge in chasing after losses always end up blowing up their accounts and I think it very act can easily be controlled when people learn not to chase after losses and have a limit for gambling.

Just as you said about the second approach, I think you should stick to the second approach despite it being slow, it is better it is slow and steady rather than rushing to just end up blowing up your account.

To begin with, I would like to know the statistics of your games - have you really come out in the black at a long distance? It seems unlikely to me when playing blackjack and dice, maybe your streak is not too big yet to talk about the difference in results?
Speaking specifically about myself, I can't say much about playing in the casino as I prefer sports betting. In sports betting, I'm best at playing all-in or almost all-in, smaller bets require painstaking work, I don't have time and probably desire for it.

Greed is the very root why we lose more often, sometimes it is not because of our strategy that's why we are losing or the amount that we only spend or going to spend but it is actually how we are going to react on things, especially when we are losing in a row and have only a partial amount of money. But in regards to what the OP is sayign, I rather choose partial it is more safe as long as you still have that limitation in yourself and also you can manage your free even though you are betting only into partials.

I like partial as well.

I often get caught in this attitude where I see my total bankroll and think I can allow myself for more freedom in betting since I still have this much money. Say I have $100, I often make bigger bets at the beginning like $5 because I feel like I have a big margin of safety and then when this margin disappears I start being more careful and miss opportunities. It's better to divide your bankroll into at least 2 parts and divide session into 2 days where each time you come with a clean head.

1. Just like the martingale.
2. Trying to be safe.

Let's tried my bet strategy ~XD double the bet everytime you're winning, so in-case you are on the good day you can win a lot more. Since we all know in gambling, it's to many a bad day rather than a good day.

That's why, at the time on good day. You should useit wisely.

Yes, every gamblers have a certain amount of money to bet. And it will be up to them deciding how to use this limited amount of money in the most effective way as possible, through different strategies, which may include or may not include the one I mentioned above.

Also, without any doubts greed is a big cons during a gambling session. If it wasn't for it, gamblers could finish their sessions in profit more often. Low profit, but more often...

Not sure mate, I mean I have used both strategy specially in slot machines, what I do though with the partial bankroll, when I hit a good win I skip and withdraw and go to the next machine and try this strategy again.

As compare to bulk bankroll, sometimes it will really give me a huge win, maybe it's because of the amount of my bankroll. Nevertheless, if I'm careless and didn't withdraw on time, this bankroll will be sweep right away.

So I guess still base on luck.

I don't think it's luck based.
When you have lesser money in your bankroll you try to keep the balance as long as you can by means of being careful of all your bets. Every single one does matter even the $1 bet.
That's the reason why you are more successful in that experiment than the higher amount. We sometimes forget it's all about greed that makes us lose more. Then, there's chasing losses which prevent us from analysis of what is really happening.
Perhaps, sticking with the lower budget is your key to winning, I suggest just keep doing it. It's not about the amount, it's how you will secure every bet that you take. Forget about luck too, the house always has the upper hand, it's how you will be wise that will change the ending.

But it seems that not all gamblers can do it because they definitely have a certain amount of money to bet.
Also don't forget that it all depends on their luck, even though they try to play accident games on blackjack with a larger bet amount to be able to get profits and recover losses but if luck is not on your side then everything will just be lost without remainder.
Remember, friends, being too ambitious to be able to return defeat is not the right choice.

I usually use partial or smaller bankrolls because it is the safest for me and to avoid big losses. Usually, I use $20-$30 to gamble, while I will withdraw the rest to another wallet or leave it in the casino wallet for a while. Even though it doesn't change my winning percentage, at least it helps me to avoid losing all the money I deposit to the casino.

Having a big bankroll can trigger us to be greedy to try to get bigger wins even though we have already won big wins which the average person finds difficult to get. That is natural because gambling can tempt us until our money runs out.

Yes all of us have different styles of gambling and that's because all of us think differently.
You get decent profits in partial bank roll which is good. At least you have identified what works for you.
But then again it's not necessary that the same technique will work for others.
But yeah, it's always better to use partial bets in the beginning because that way we know if we are capable of taking the risks of betting or not.

I got your point, I have sent $0.5 to $25 a lot of times in the past, but would be awesome to be able to do the same with $50... just build it up to $2,500. But I don't know why I that's really hard.

For me it feels like it's easier to win bets with low amounts and while bigger than the amount is harder to win, and I know is just a feeling, but is really weird.

When we bet with a low amount we don't care about losing all, but that changes with big amounts, and that's the reason it's easy to build something with low amounts.

I reckon it's because you use more chances of winning (and losing) in the partial instead of the bulk one? It's the standard idea of the greater the risk the greater the profit, but the lower the risk the lower the profit. The first one pretty much gives you a chance of winning big in a short time while the latter goes slow and steady. Either way they both have their pros and cons, and I mostly don't mind them now that I think about it.
I mostly go mixed, whatever way I like it on that session really, mostly partial though since I like to play crash slowly (which was my go to game when I often play, I'm into sports gambling right now).

If you're talking about a blackjack bankroll and just sitting down to hit and want to win a few hands, sure I don't have to think too much for a big bankroll, just $50 by targeting a $5 table, with a small bankroll I'm not too bothered to think about the risk of losing my money in a blackjack bet, because I know any type of gambling is luck.

For sure even though I use a small bankroll and risk I will try to play with strategy and do my best, To overcome the possible risk of losing streaks in blackjack betting, the house edge is clearly one of the calculations.
For example:

So with my small bankroll at stake, if I get really unlucky at blackjack betting, I'm only wasting $1.25 an hour a week just $50 my loss, that's my unlucky count, but I can still make a profit and cover the losses for now on blackjack betting.

I think the two types only works for board games but on slots this will not happen because it's way too uncertain rather than just selecting two different outcomes. I think bulk bankroll martingale strategy isn't suited well, maybe you could have used bulk bankroll and just use the strategy on the partial bankroll, just keep that in mind that you don't have to greedy at all times.

What is the longest loss streak you got from blackjack?

People have different strategies when playing at casinos like Stake, where we have a plethora of different games to try.

It's really common to see gamblers "building their bankroll", or recovering it through games like crash and mines, and right after placing more expensive bets on blackjack to profit instantly in large chunks with a certain shot.

And in case of loss on blackjack, they simply go back to crash and mines again. I think it's important to not keep insisting too much on a game in particular if it's not bringing consistent results.

I am playing slots so mathematically end results doesn't really matter what tactic i am using unless there are some cheat codes to machines.

But i do have a tactic. I start with slow bets and end it with a big one, like 1/5th of my daily budget
Usually i have done this so that i have used weekly budget in 1 day and but lately i even tried to spread it out trough the whole week so i can enjoy it more.

I've also tried to gamble all in with one bet, and while that one gives me a huge rush, it doesn't give me any kind of fulfillment that i would get by playing small amounts trough the week.

A total crap post! Probably you just read the title then assume that the bankroll in subject here is the casino bankroll. The one being discussed here is player bankroll when playing in the casino!

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Bulk bankroll is the best if you are playing with consistency and patience because you can save time by deposit and withdraw. The only reason why people always lose on using huge bankroll because they are too easy to become tilted when losing that cause them to bet above normal bets. I’m playing huge bank as always and I’m always getting huge profit because I can have a higher life line to extend my bet compared of having 20$ bankroll and loss it all with just a short lose streak. It’s just same if you have huge bankroll and play it slowly.

If the casino had each enough bank roll,it's enough for the people to use their casino.Because the business is not only to the rich people,the normal people also can start the casino with the average bank roll to pay the winners.When the casino had huge bankroll,they will make a good sense of paying the winners.Some people was different in that people,they will make the escape after the big loat from the casino and gambling players.If the bank roll of the company is below 1000 dollars,they will scam the people using their sites.

Appreciate all the reply above. I will not quote you individually because I might just repeat all the answer at once.

Partial Bankroll is indeed the best because you can slow grind. My only problem problem with this is my short tempered especially if I’m not getting any win on my game despite I’m playing too long. I experience one my game that it took about half an hour which I just breakeven at the end without giving me a chance to be on the profit side. 

I recently watch stream of trainwreck about playing blackjack that’s same to my scenario above. He plays an hour and in profit about 1M USD atthe beginning of his game then his bank roll decreases near his initial bankroll after an hour of slow playing.

You can watch the exhilarating video here: https://youtu.be/1qe7Pb3-iDo

The cards have no memory.

But beyond that, if you are playing Blackjack you should be at least doing a basic count and following that. Hunches, feelings and everything else although adding to the fun and possibility of 'I made a great call' feeling can never survive the long term math and odds.

The math will never change no matter what you do, well in the physical world marking cards and slipping an extra ace in the deck might, but beyond that it does not matter.

Yeah, it's boring and playing hunches and going with your gut is more fun. Don't forget that, it's fun not a way to make money. The math says the house wins.

-Dave

Becoming that greedy wouldnt really matter whether you do make use of bulk or partial bankroll on which it would really be just still the same when greed do kicks in.
You would really be still able to experience on the same mistakes on which you would bust and blown up your entire balance if ever you have decided to double up your bet just
because you are really that aiming on fastening up the process on making profits because you had set out some numbers that you should reached out.
Its really that common and on my part then it would be totally random if we do speak about gambling behavior.

8n almost all logical circumstances you are always implored by the system to play partial bankroll instead of busting your balls on a bulk bankroll. Bulk's high risk, high reward, but in a game that is already risky for the most pwrt, this just puts unnecessary strain and pressure to the player which they otherwise wouldb't have to deal if they hadn't gone bulk. Plus at the same time, bulk minimises your playtime which therefore limits how many wins you can get in comparison to Partial bankrolls. Personally, I prefer partial bankrolls instead of bulk as it's so much better in many ways, but if I'm feeling ballsy and lucky, I tend to go bulk just for the hell of it.

In my opinion, your bulk bank roll strategy in relation to playing blackjack is a mess. I would never do a Martingale strat when playing Blackjack, why? Because I feel that it does not have enough relevance to your previous bets.

For the partial bankroll, I also win little by little when I do that. There is a time when I managed to make my $50 become $1300, all from playing slots.

But you have to still be very careful because I have noticed one thing while gambling, you can gamble for sometimes, win and think that the strategy that you are using is working good, but while over-gambling, you may see yourself at loss. I have noticed this many times when I am gambling.

Partial works well on me, I'd say better than bulk aside from the fact that i cannot afford buring that much on a single roll. Bulk bankroll indeed will generate bigger profit; higher risk means higher reward. But question is; how long would your capital last? On my case, partial bankrolls allow me to extend my capital to few more bets than it was supposed to. If you have a large capital, and if you are really down of embracing the risk, bulk could work on such instance. At the end of the day, it would be one's fate to determine the outcome. If you are really unlucky for that day, no matter what strategy you will use, you'd end up with loss; will only vary whether it would be big or tolerable.

I’ve been observing my gambling activity result since the start of the year and trying different way to improve my gambling results. I always allocate 100$ per week on my gambling since I’m using my signature campaign earnings from livecasino. Here’s my observation on my experience when using different bankroll.

Bulk Bankroll

I always start playing 5$ bet on Blackjack then add seat if I’m lose my initial so that I can recover my lose and have a profit at the same time. I always manage to get 50$ to 60$ profit then after reaching this percentage profit, It makes me very hard to win more because I keep aiming to earn atleast 100$ profit to have x2 of my initial bankroll to stop. The ending result is always losing all my balance including profit the moment I experienced losing streak because I keep increasing my bet up to the point to all in just to recover quickly my lose since I’m thinking that I already got the opportunity to have 160$ which is why betting 60$ or more on single bet when my balance decreases is a little bit easy.

In short, I’m easily become greedy and careless on bet once my bankroll went down below my initial bank roll.

Partial Bankroll

When I using this type of bankroll I’m always winning around 80% win chance rate when I check my history. This time I use 20$ bank roll and start on craps betting 1$ to 2$ on easy and hard ways. I keep doing this patiently until I double my money to 40$. After reaching 40$ mark I usually sit on Blackjack table betting 5$ on single table. I keep doing slow grind without increasing bet. I notice that I’m more cautious whenever I’m using small bankroll because I know that I can’t bet carelessly or else the game will easily over.

I’ve been doing this for months and I usually get 80$ to 100$ in profit. But of course this profit is just for recovering loss from my previous game when I use bulk bankroll. This happened to multiple times and I’m finally getting my phase on making good profit.


I know we have different style and behavior. Some people might be lucky on bulk bankroll and others is like me who’s lucky on small bankroll. What do you guys use?