Topic: My taught of plagiarism, spamming and scam in forum. (Read 817 times)

There are a lot of newbies that are pretending they are posting good content but if you are trying to find out on the internet it a pure plagiarize. Some of their reason is they need to earn merit and want to rank up. All of those things required hardship and hard work. Also, other members make their own thread just to rank up.

This is just simple if you don't want to get plagiarized.
Don't copy and paste
Give a source link
Summarize and then give the source

Gather more information to prevent having misinformation to other members..

Plagiarism is not affected if you are the original content creator.

I am a newbie here and i can totally relate to your topic, it is really hard to make useful post but still i try my very best to put everything i know to a reply so that i can share my thoughts to the community but honestly i don't understand why some people here still do those three things that you have mentioned, plagiarism is such a scary thing to do, most people who do it might just want to earn merit so that they can join campaigns or anything but honestly if you do such thing you will be at risk of being banned or having negative profile so its not a win-win situation, they are just burying themselves.


This is what i am doing now and i think most of the newbies and even the users who are here for quite sometime do this kinds of replies because putting too much things and points in your reply just to make it look attractive and gain merit but having no sense at all or not being informative because it is just a copied work is just a waste of time, you might not see the karma now but it will hunt you.

Now as a newbie i am practicing some things so that i can be a good user here in the community:

1. Find topic that suits your interest and contribute there, do not force yourself to post replies to a topic that you have no idea just to increase your post count.
2. If ever that you really wanted to post a reply there, make your own research about it and just like the Op said there are youtube and google to get the information that you need.
3. Take your time in your post.
4. Enjoy and have fun here in the forum

Beginners need to learn how quality posts are published. Before we become experienced community members here in the forum, we are also beginners back then. I had to admit that I indeed struggle in the first place on what to post. I started with just one or two sentences while learning about this forum. I was not a good forum poster back then, and my posts are in low quality.

I self-trained myself when I first joined a signature campaign back in 2017. I kept going and finally learned what it means to post quality threads and comments. Of course, it does not mean that I'm perfect. I still made mistakes (even terrible ones, and some events that I'm really careless), but I always learn, assess and adjust myself.

And of course, merits aren't what I'm after here (it's just a bonus). I am more on giving helpful advice, sharing helpful resources based on my research (especially those ICOs or cryptos who scammed the community), etc.

Probably most of the time beginners are caught because its either they don't know the rules or they were just lazy, Just copy paste everything and put it in the forum.

I think Plagiarism happened because of laziness or either you just don't know about something and then just get something online, might also because of merit since they want merit they need to good topic or content that they could just get online. Also spamming is just because of signature campaigns in order to payout they need to rush the post.

Whatever their reason is the rules are needed to follow and there is no exception even for newbies and high ranks.

It's completely regulated. Rules are implemented very strictly on those users that will commit such violation. This is the result of every members that are always helping and are always be willing to help for Bitcointalk's better future. We do have now less spams, plagiarism will be always caught here so go tell your opinion on a topic that you are interested to be part. Just don't plagiarist unless you want to be banned.

When we are governed by the system, we definitely have to follow it and start learning how it work. Many user have turned into better member with higher ranking because they know thats how they can hit a target and many have to stick to their old position and habit of constantly posting spam.

To become an established and useful member we are never forced, but this is an impulse from within us who want to make the forum a place of origin for knowledge about crypto. Regarding plagiarism and copy-pasting, in my opinion some beginner dont know about the forum rules because they are too lazy to read. It has to be fixed and they have to know about the rules.

Spamming and plagiarism is even worst when there is no merit system implemented, especially when signature campaign is still a thing the account farmers they post the exact sentence throughout their accounts, and creating a thread and using their other accounts to spam the topic using one sentence.

But atleast now i think the forum has been regulated well, and there are more members that are contributing quality topics to the forum.

You just nailed it. I always tend to follow your post being always on point and I can learn much from it.

There are few posts actually wrote the same thread as OP does and I think there is no wrong to it like every user telling to search for old threads before opening a new thread. It will be applied if new threads will contain the same opinion with older threads and it will be redundant to discuss the same opinion in a different thread.

However, this should not apply to all old threads. Take this an example, there other threads that has created like and this is not redundant because there are new users around and this type of posts is meant for awareness for them.

The shortest compiled list of forum banned accounts contains over 209K accounts (all time history). The vast majority of those accounts correspond to very low ranks, where by the person behind probably simply accepts it and forgets the forum, or just moves on to his next account (this latter is not allowed really though). The ones that do appeal are likely the ones that have a bit more at stake, with a higher ranked account, and a stronger will to give it a fight.

The appeals I’ve seen often claim to be unaware of ever plagiarizing, only to see an array of plagiarized posts splashed over the appeal thread. A positive outcome normally requires for the banned account to have a certain reputation and be considered a net positive for the forum (i.e. contributes well enough through posts, but made a one-off slip back in the day).

Hundred to thousand of accounts are ban between this period stated, but seeing this low figure in those that actually appealed they ban is some thing the mod should look into. Is either the appeal system is too rigid or the amount of apt accounts are on the increase which is one of the rule is not to create any account on bitcoin talk if you get ban for what ever reason.

You are right why most newbies end up plagiarism is due to the fact that they ate so lazy to read a post or article to understand it content and being able to construct a good post or reply to such post and being able to meet the need of other readers and giving out information. Once they cant meet up with that they simply copy other people work and pasting it.

100%, I don't think they will do it. Why? Because money is money. People will chase it even how hard it gets. Spammers/Sh*tposters will keep on thinking that if we can be able to earn through sig campaigns then of course they should as well. However, the sad fact is that it seems they are willing to swallow the toxicity they produced just for few bucks .

Well, that's life. Let's admit that bad posters will exist here forever. We can't totally eradicate it but I'm glad because Merit System is there. I'm hoping they will get tired of doing their stuff in due time.

That's true. After reading a topic, and want to be part of the discussion, saying how you feel about it or how you think about it is enough. If you want to back your statement with a published article, then go ahead but don't claim it as if it's yours. Always include the source where you got it. As I often say, it's the least we could do to show respect to them and their work.

This forum is not as formal as dissertations or research papers. Just by simply posting the link at the end of your response is enough.

To be as simple as possible, if you can genuinely contribute to an ongoing discussion without having to prove to anyone that your post are merit worthy by appearing smart with copied works, you'll be just fine on the forum. Don't force yourself, it isn't a must to make topic on the forum, you can spend all your time here, acquired as many knowledge as possible and not create any topic but obviously engaging in meaningful conversations. Just don't push yourself to hard because that's usually the reason behind copying someone users work.

The spamming issue can easily be avoided by not trying to turn the forum into some money making platform. If you notice the signature campaigns aren't idea to your posting behavior, resulting to you spamming just to meet up your weekly post qouta then abstain form joining any campaign. Signature campaign participation isn't mandatary on the forum, it's just a privilege that shouldn't be abused.

One of the reasons some users are prone to plagiarism is because almost all topics they've thought of is already written down before, they do research but found an article about it, and now they are already basing their topics on that article. One way to avoid this is always think of an angle that hasn't been tackle with the same topic or infuse your own experiences with it, do not copy word for word but create your own sentences tackling the topic in a different way, try to make it your own and be original. Always try to think that you will write better than that article. It's not bad to do research cause we all do it, it's a way to avoid plagiarism too, to double check if no one had already created something like that before. And if you wrote the same topic, it will be impossible that you got the same article word for word, there will always be a difference, you're just checking so you're aware on how you can make your article better, you have to have a certain new points about the topic cause if you don't have it, then you are just repeating the same article over and over.

When doing research, you just have to site your sources and try to avoid creating the same thing, you have to find another spot that hasn't been tackle before about the topic, and its not that hard to be original if you are really motivated to create one, you will be prone to plagiarism if your main goal is just to produce a topic and too lazy to think of a new one. 

Agree on this, it's kinda hard to be a content creator because you are trying to share your idea and information. It will be a huge disrespect if someone copied you without giving you credits. Since when I joined the forum, I didn't even try to plagiarize because I know it's wrong. There are many users here trying to plagiarize content due to the greediness of earning profit here and that's very wrong. Building a strong reputation here by creating unique content can be applied to different things. I made myself a content creator and now those that I've learned here were applied to being a gaming content creator.

We are preventing our members to create plagiarism because even in the real world like creating some textbooks and other kinds of content we are preventing this because we are giving credit to the original author or creator.

If you don't want to get plagiarized,

Make your own content, it's not hard if you give quotes to the original creator. Also, get the link too so other people will see the sources and have an idea if you are giving a true statement or not.


We cannot deny that there are some members are copying and paste from the Internet just because of the merit they want to earn this to make rank up easily and to get this they need to look good at their threads. If you want to earn merit be your self look some topic that is not created yet and shares to our forum not just copy and paste instead you read it and understand it.who

Beginners need a process to do the right thing on this forum according to the rules.
But everything can be learned if you try to be a good member and contribute to this forum. Staying away from spamming, plagiarism, off topic and others is prohibited. It would not be profitable to do this.

However, it is very rare to see beginners do and stay away from these prohibited things. Most newbies are only interested in campaigns without thinking about the quality of posts and forum contributions.

beginners must be directed properly so they can become quality members. There is a lot of good education in this forum, improving yourself and developing your account will be very useful in the future.

All information on the subject must always be read!

Now, I think we should remove that stigma of "newbie" by "user", which is not something really important in the objective of the topic in question, but it can remind you that reviewing the rules has no status or experience and consequently make mistakes no matter how much you know them, it is always very close.

Violations of the rule you name "plagiarism, spamming, scam" may be the most common but not the only ones, there are many that can cause prohibitions. So, we must not only read them, we must interpret them in the full sense of their application in the forum.

 

Correct. There are a bunch more of appeals, some rather recent, but nobody is keeping track now. The thread I referenced was interesting because it has all the appeals just over a six month period, giving us an idea of how many occur and the likely outcome if the case is not backed by some solid counterarguments and/or the account is considered net positive due to his meaningful posting contributions to the forum over time (the latter are normally those that endedup with a signature ban).

Thanks for the info. So basically the chances to appeal are very slim unless you have some solid substance to back your case.

But then those list as you mentioned are not up-to-date, so I believe there's way more appeals which have not been added to the count? As we have seen those threads posted on Meta from time to time, but they hardly ever ended on a good note.

There was this thread that kept track of ban appeals for a while: BAN APPEAL]UPDATE: Total table + Ban status (Need feedback from Global mods). It contains a list of appeals between mid-November 2018 and early July 2019, totalling 67 entries (which is not much really, since most people do not appeal).

The list displays apeals for:
 Legendary: 16
 Hero Member: 10
 Sr. Member: 17
 Full Member: 17
 Member: 4
 Jr. Member: 3

Out of which:
  2   were unbanned (one was framed if I recall correctly, and the other more or less proved it wasn’t him).
 12 got a signature ban (normally for a year or two).
 53 remained banned.

That is just a fraction of all banned accounts really, as the vast majority do no resort to appealing the ban (be it due to their low rank, or knowingly aware of their slip).

I really pity those that plagiarized during the early days but eventually contributed loads to the forum and the ban suddenly fell out of nowhere. I recalled seeing some thread about it but I highly doubt there would be changes to the current stance on plagiarism, and with theymos hardly commenting on these kind of things.

Posters who plagiarized and were banned need to have very good contribution history to get ban uplift. It not happens too often AFAIK. If they get a second chance, some sort of reduced account restrictions will be implemented, as replacements for permanent bans.
- Signature ban next 1 or 2 year. I don't remember a shorter period of such signature ban (6 months, probably).
- Signature ban and temp ban (can not post for a while).
- No restrictions at all (it is rarely to see)

[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism

I just want to warn everyone who decides to somehow deceive the community, as well as pass off other people's publications as their own.

There are many examples and tearful stories when people, being newbies, were copying someone else's content to develop and raise their rank on the forum. After a while, their plagiarism still becomes detectable. The saddest thing is that quite a long time passes during the copy/paste time, people achieve some kind of success, and the moment comes when their accounts are blocked on the forum. This is very sad.

Therefore, if you are a beginner, do not rush, ask about your questions. The writing style of many newbies is very easy to distinguish and understand whether the post was written by themselves or copied. In addition, there are many services on the Internet that make it easy to detect plagiarism.
Just write your posts yourself, and be convincing. Everything else will come to you in due time.

Plagiarism here is not delimited to copy/[spin]/paste someone´s posts originated on the forum, but anywhere.

The idea is simple: If somebody copies and pastes a content, where ever it may be originated, without referencing the original source (be it a forum post or not), that is considered plagiarism. Spinning a text (i.e. permuting o altering words from the original source) is also considered plagiarism.

The bottom line is that a post is considered plagiarized, if it tries to pass-off somebody else’s work, totally or partially, as his own. There should be intent to pass somebody else’s work as your own in the process really, but by default, that intent is assumed (*). To avoid it, one simply has to reference the source, although performing a copy/paste + link, with no additional thought, is likely going to be considered a post with cero added value, and can easily get deleted if reported.

(*) Sometimes, mods/admins may take into account the poster’s history and the post’s content to infer the non-intent, but that in not a likely outcome by a long shot.

If I may ask researching in internet and edit works with the source,does it have effect to user, can it be tagged as plagiarism? because I never get total concept of plagiarism I taught is when someone copies already treated work in the forum.

Like newbies who plagiarism is their motive, copies a work does not mean that their lazy to construct topics of their own but is to make a quality post because their no properly informed.
I found out some users don't  really comprehend the concepts of plagiarism even myself I taught is repeating someone's work in forum.

There are some reasons why some beginners end up plagiarizing any content, they don't have enough knowledge about the crypto world but they really want to participate well in this forum and gain merits as well so they think that if they copy some good information about any website then they may receive any merits. They don't even think that they can be caught by some other members here. They know that it is not bad and it won help them to improve as a person but they don't have a choice so they still do it just to gain merit.
I know this thing because I did this before for some other forums. I already learned my lesson and I will never do it again.

We can use and get some ideas about others' content but we should give credits to them. We may also do paraphrasing and include the link. We have many ways to create quality posts without doing plagiarism. It won't help you as a member of this forum and it may be the reason for getting ban.

There is a lot of abuse and in the end they plagiarize to make it easier not to think in unique words, but there are still many newbies and experienced people who continue to do this because they want to make it easier in their work so they just copy without thinking, and this is a big problem. where if we leave them there will be more and more spamer that happens like this, even if all of it will be arrested and banned in this forum.

Plagiarizing is really the most known prohibited thing here and we don't tolerate that here in this forum.

You need to make a reasonable post, quality, and informative so that you can prove your point to other people.

It is not that easy to make a good post if you are willing to earn a merit and if you truly deserves it. You just need to do some effort, spend time reading a lot of articles and news regarding the market, economy, cryptocurrency and in the world. But you should also consider posting if it is necessary, so that you prevent yourself from spamming.

IMO, plagiarism is often made by not newbies only. Experienced members, or I should say abusers also doing it. They know that's not allowed, but they are doing it intentionally, expecting that they won't be caught.
I think we will see all kind of abuse here on Bitcointalk, as long as money is involved here. Plagiarism, spam, scams. People just become greedy when they see easy opportunity to get easy money.

Is on how to make a quality contributions in forum instead of spamming, when we said spamming what come to my mind is that going to previous pages to find topic you wants to write on "is absolutely spamming" I don't really no if the way I comprehend and interprets my own way of spamming is the way others those.

Plagiarism and spam has been a serious problem in this forum, and some users decided to help the forum moderators detecting the spammers. If anyone of us wants o make a contribution i will share the posts with you:

[CLUB] The SpamBusters! Busting rule-breakers constantly.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/clubthe-spambuster3-cases-openover-3000-accounts-reviewed1800-0908-4720640

Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/report-plagiarism-copypaste-here-mods-please-give-temp-or-permban-as-needed-1926895

It truly happens in this forum. When a newcomer in this forum wanted to earn cryptocurrencies in signature campaigns, they will start to spam posts and plaigarized contents from articles in the internet for them to earn merits and ranked up. Once they experienced ranking up and have joined in signature campaigns, some users will began to noticed it, so their account will be banned or will have a red trust due to their past mistakes.

More users tend to do clever things because they do not see their worth especially low rank users. After some time they learn and achieve here in the forum and then mods found out they plagiarized they get ban. Then they complain in the meta section ask to lift the ban. This is the usual scenario that is happening to users that somehow regrets to plagiarize content. This is why newbie should reflect on this problem so as to avoid in getting the same scenario in the future like getting ban or being flag as scammer or tag as spammer in the future.

I kind of agree with you on the hefty lazy part because, they surely are. They've been way too used to the short way out and seems to be stock there but then, the funny truth is, they can always get out. You've just got to mean it. This is why,
I don't agree with you on the part that says 'they can't get their own words'. I believe that to be some sort of exaggeration from you and I get that but then, to spammers and plagiarisers;
You've always got your own words, for a fact, you can't say yes to all you read or download on the web or from any source of information. Even at that, you've always got that part that says, this should be added to the content to make it even more better or this can be done this way.
To me, that's an opinion and it's not stupid to express it. It only creates an opportunity for correction or improvement. Better still, if your so much in love with a content and you really don't want to add so much to it, just reference them by posting the link and it saves you from trouble. But again, you've got yo learn how to have your own voice, it's some of the greatest freedom you'll ever have. You've got the time, use it and put in the work.

Why not just give own thoughts about a certain topic. Plagiarism is one of the most forbidden thing that we should not do. We don't own those words so we should credit where we got it. Just provide  the link then you're good to go. In forums, it is not necessary to quote it using APA citations or any other citation formats that are usually used on theses/researches.

Spamming are usually done by newbies since they are new they don't probably new that it is forbidden, they will realize that afterwards as they stays on the forum becasue someone will tell it to them. Some members also that have current signature campaigns commits spamming, maybe because they need to comply into it after being inactive for a while.

Scamming is strictly forbidden, most of the time they are always being spotted here in our forum, so it will not be easy for them. Bounty campaigns are most likely the campaigns that has a lot of scammers.

That is the reason we have to make a proper research because some people fall victims because their not informed concerning plagiarism and also don't know the implications yet,things we see with ordinary eye will never be the same with microscope,so who are ignorant in certain things are normally put into considerable.

To avoid been plagiarized is very simple, but people people choose to plagiarised in order to make a quality post.from the views of everything a newbies is meant to use initiatives to construct topics so that it enhance them to make better reputation.
Yeah.. Its audible to the deaf and clear to the blind that not everyone have the momentum or criteria to be here due to the level of response some people render in the forum, but I now with time those people who fine it difficult to respond properly will acclimatized to the system.

Some ought to plagiarized cause they are kind of hefty lazy they can't have their own words, and some don't take credits where they get their information, lazy one as well. On regards with spamming I think it's fully addressed now by the use of merit system.

I think scamming here is a bad idea if ever there's one tries to, their are numerous guys outta here that are active and doesn't condone such acts plus with the trust system in its back.

It is even simple, if you know you want to avoid spamming and plagiarism, then adding the link of the site you copy from is so simple, and if the post is good enough to be awarded merit, definitely, some people will do. Newbies should try and understand to write a whole topic/post off hand or do add the link. As simple as that.

Some people are not even just worthy to be on this forum because they do not know what to contribute and having ego to ask, some people are having psychological progression in a way they can not be corrected, such people will make mistakes and are not receptive to accept any correction at all. It is very possible such people can even plagiarize.

About the issue of scamming, I like that this forum is a whole lot of lessons for us, any good member of this forum that is scammed may not be possible, the forum helped us to know about scam, how to avoid them, and also helped us to maintain high privacy level. So, coming here to scam is just a waste of time. The best knowledge I have had in life are all from this forum.

In conclusion, I too will encourage people not to spam or scam but to focus and be determined, if he wants to earn on this forum, hard work is required, and that will be seen in their quality posts as a result of quality researches done.

There's no need for a beginner to copy another users work and pose it as his while we have the  internet with available inform to everyone that research properly with mediums such as, YouTube video and Google. With the two options mentioned above, anyone is capable to making a quality post with aid of self education, without having to plagiarised someone else work.

I seen that, the only reason why people involves in plagiarism is to make a quality post that will enable them to earn merit. From my perspective it's absolutely wrong for we to plagiarised especially the beginners who are suppose to be creative in order to create a reputation for themselves in the community.

Spamming: when someone spam, he or she makes numerous posts in order to meet up a target of post mostly when in a campaign, and could lead to you getting evicted from the forum. The spamming effect or penalties is applicable to plagiarism penalty, both offers can lead to you getting banned.

As a newbie or beginner, we have to apply a drastic measures in order not to vmbe evicted as it out an end to your participation in the forum.

Both offends penalty is not only meant for newbies or beginners alone, it's applicable to all users of the community.

Scamming: Having in mind to join bitcointalk community in order to scam people is absolutely wrong and if noticed, it will totally degrade the reputation of the user, so therefore beginners are advice to be concentrated in order to achieve he/her obligations.

Some important points to note as a newbie on how to improve on yourself;

* Making of quality posts and replies.

* Understanding how to qoute reply others or edit your previous posts to correct mistakes.

* Avoid repeating of already existing topic and making of informative topics.

* Understanding how the search button works and how to utilize it to your advantage.

* Avoiding off topic contributions.

Note: Exercising patience in the forum in respective the challenges of correction by seniors is someone you should embrace if you want to improve on yourself on the forum.