Mystery Chart Says to Buy Btc now and sell in ~115.2 Days

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Quote from: bitsterr on July 06, 2014, 09:26:35 PM

very curious on what this chart still say and how off it is now!? for fun of course

Basicly the author found a cyclical pattern in history.
It is however broken by now. The rally is overdue by nearly two months, we should be at 2K+ by now if the pattern were still in effect.

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very curious on what this chart still say and how off it is now!? for fun of course

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Quote from: wbaw on February 16, 2014, 07:33:34 PM

Surely there are enough predictions on this forum that a few will seem to be right just through random chance.

The Professor Pigskin of BTC?

Agreed, good predictions involve exact timeframes and/or values. Ones that get close may be worth investigating further, but mean nothing more.

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Surely there are enough predictions on this forum that a few will seem to be right just through random chance.

The Professor Pigskin of BTC?

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Quote from: Kramerc on February 14, 2014, 04:14:07 AM

Quote from: bb113 on February 13, 2014, 11:49:20 PM

I just checked this and it looks like the pattern broke, theres been deviations in the past as well though.

Would you please care to elaborate?

The mystery indicator wasnt supposed to drop so low if the 7-8 month cycle was still on going. Another thing to keep in mind is it is based on gox only right now.

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Quote from: dedcoin on February 14, 2014, 04:29:07 AM

Quote from: bb113 on February 13, 2014, 11:49:20 PM

I just checked this and it looks like the pattern broke, theres been deviations in the past as well though.

Interesting to see that some of the previous buy points were positioned on a downtrend. Index ~160 and ~480

Is it showing a buy signal now?

When it is high it has indicated buy in the past. The way it is calculated doesn't make this need to be true. Right now it went high but then the price dropped alot, also it went low after the drops, so it almost seems reversed.

Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on February 16, 2014, 03:37:00 AM

Some kind of decomposition using orthogonal cyclic functions ... Chebyshev polynomials? Bessel functions, Legendre Polynomials ... how would anyone know, it could be your own special brew.?

NB: Just a ridiculous question ask given the evidence posted. Ill-posed problem. Wink

It really isn't ridiculous. Extra info: I didn't come up with this indicator.

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Some kind of decomposition using orthogonal cyclic functions ... Chebyshev polynomials? Bessel functions, Legendre Polynomials ... how would anyone know, it could be your own special brew.?

NB: Just a ridiculous question ask given the evidence posted. Ill-posed problem. Wink

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Quote from: bb113 on February 14, 2014, 01:00:57 AM

Quote from: Voodah on February 14, 2014, 12:31:47 AM

Is it really a deviation or could it possibly be acceleration?

How would you test that theory? other than waiting?

You're right of course. Nothing in the chart itself will confirm that (except time ofc). It's more of a gut feeling looking at the surrounding ecosystem and the expectations for the coming months.

Have you seen this re-interpretation of your chart btw?

https://www.tradingview.com/e/npxNXNsg/

In there, if you were to position yourself in the middle of the aftermath section of the first 2011 bubble, you could possibly draw the same conclusion and deviation idea, but time showed that it was only because there was still a lot of downside. That's another possibility to consider..

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Quote from: dedcoin on February 14, 2014, 04:29:07 AM

Quote from: bb113 on February 13, 2014, 11:49:20 PM

I just checked this and it looks like the pattern broke, theres been deviations in the past as well though.

Interesting to see that some of the previous buy points were positioned on a downtrend. Index ~160 and ~480

Is it showing a buy signal now?

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Quote from: bb113 on February 13, 2014, 11:49:20 PM

I just checked this and it looks like the pattern broke, theres been deviations in the past as well though.

Interesting to see that some of the previous buy points were positioned on a downtrend. Index ~160 and ~480

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Quote from: bb113 on February 13, 2014, 11:49:20 PM

I just checked this and it looks like the pattern broke, theres been deviations in the past as well though.

Would you please care to elaborate?

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Quote from: Voodah on February 14, 2014, 12:31:47 AM

Is it really a deviation or could it possibly be acceleration?

How would you test that theory? other than waiting?

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Is it really a deviation or could it possibly be acceleration?

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I just checked this and it looks like the pattern broke, theres been deviations in the past as well though.

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Quote from: pbody on December 17, 2013, 01:12:08 AM

well, if its right, its going to drop down to about 550, then go up, back down again in about 3 weeks, and then hover around 800 till what looks like the next run in 45 days+

who knows. kinda creepy though.

You arrived at that extrapolation just from studying the chart, apparently. I'm having trouble gleaning enough information. What do you see?

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Quote from: dedcoin on January 21, 2014, 07:28:11 PM

ok, got it. Grin

got what? i still don't get it

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ok, got it. Grin

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Ok, then I guess I am not reading the graph properly. At first, I though P was the future price prediction, and that we were at time point 1000 (which is obviously not the case).

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Quote from: dedcoin on January 21, 2014, 06:14:51 PM

According to the dates of the posts:
1) 23rd august: May sell of already happen.
2) 23rd december (updated version of the graph was posted) : the 18th december selloff already happen.

The highs and lows of x correspond to highs and lows of p. The periodicities of x are obvious. The periodicities of p less so, until you see x.

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Quote from: sgbett on January 21, 2014, 06:04:17 PM

Quote from: dedcoin on January 21, 2014, 05:47:55 PM

I don't see how this chart is predicting future prices. These are simply historical data. Or am I missing something?

It already predicted, with frighteningly good accuracy, some 10 weeks before the selloff. Thats what you missed.

do we agree that may is at the 1000 mark and december 18th at about ~1250 ?

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According to the dates of the posts:
1) 23rd august: May sell of already happen.
2) 23rd december (updated version of the graph was posted) : the 18th december selloff already happen.

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Quote from: dedcoin on January 21, 2014, 05:47:55 PM

I don't see how this chart is predicting future prices. These are simply historical data. Or am I missing something?

It already predicted, with frighteningly good accuracy, some 10 weeks before the selloff. Thats what you missed.

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Quote from: bb113 on December 23, 2013, 03:32:56 PM

Here is an updated chart. It looks like the indicator did have a lower peak a few weeks ago. So that means it recommends to hodl steady (buy stuff with btc then replenish) for another ~100 days then start buying and sell in ~220 days. I have no idea why this cycle would exist and I would expect it to end now that this thread has gotten attention.

I don't see how this chart is predicting future prices. These are simply historical data. Or am I missing something?

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Quote from: Voodah on January 19, 2014, 08:27:02 PM

Quote from: Sir Lagsalot on January 15, 2014, 11:45:14 AM

The Mystery Chart has become a bit of an obsession with me.

I am now applying these time cycles to many charts.

Today I found an odd timing pattern where 2x the major low to major low period of the recent "bubble" interests the date where the major downtrend line from the double top meets the $1000 Bitstamp significant resistance. It's easier to understand on the chart.

Hey nice work, what's your TV user?

Would you mind sharing or publishing the final TV chart?

if i may chime in:
https://www.tradingview.com/u/Gordon%20Geeko/#published-charts

i'm still more lurking and learning about TA, but sir lagsalot's charts are some of the most interesting i've seen so far on tradingview.
big thanks from my side here and keep it coming.

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Quote from: Sir Lagsalot on January 15, 2014, 11:45:14 AM

The Mystery Chart has become a bit of an obsession with me.

I am now applying these time cycles to many charts.

Today I found an odd timing pattern where 2x the major low to major low period of the recent "bubble" interests the date where the major downtrend line from the double top meets the $1000 Bitstamp significant resistance. It's easier to understand on the chart.

Hey nice work, what's your TV user?

Would you mind sharing or publishing the final TV chart?

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The Mystery Chart has become a bit of an obsession with me.

I am now applying these time cycles to many charts.

Today I found an odd timing pattern where 2x the major low to major low period of the recent "bubble" interests the date where the major downtrend line from the double top meets the $1000 Bitstamp significant resistance. It's easier to understand on the chart.

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Quote from: Sir Lagsalot on December 30, 2013, 05:00:34 AM

I wrote about this mysterious Mystery Chart of Mystery over on CryptoCoinsNews. It inspired me to do some charting work with timeframes. I arrived at a fairly consistent cyclical view of price action. Would welcome any futher ideas, let's figure this thing out!

Quite excellent! Bookmarked for future study.

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The lion roars!

I wrote about this mysterious Mystery Chart of Mystery over on CryptoCoinsNews. It inspired me to do some charting work with timeframes. I arrived at a fairly consistent cyclical view of price action. Would welcome any futher ideas, let's figure this thing out!

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Quote from: yogi on December 23, 2013, 05:28:49 PM

Quote from: FiatKiller on December 23, 2013, 05:18:55 PM

Edit: So what does it indicate the price will be in a year? :-D

2014 peek > $10,000

Yeah, I figure $2500 as an absolute minimum and $6500-$8500 more likely. Hodling is smart from Winter onwards for sure!

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Quote from: FiatKiller on December 23, 2013, 05:18:55 PM

Edit: So what does it indicate the price will be in a year? :-D

2014 peek > $10,000

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I would interpret the latest thinking as the lowest low will occur in March then.

Edit: So what does it indicate the price will be in a year? :-D

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Quote from: Voodah on December 23, 2013, 03:44:09 PM

So this indicator is basically saying the crash is over now?

I don't think it means lowest lows have been hit. Look at what happened after the "$30 bubble", lowest point wasn't hit until way later. It just means you missed the peak.

Quote from: windjc on December 23, 2013, 03:46:40 PM

How do you update a mystery indicator?

It is a mystery to you, not to me Wink

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Quote from: bb113 on December 23, 2013, 03:32:56 PM

Here is an updated chart. It looks like the indicator did have a lower peak a few weeks ago. So that means it recommends to hodl steady (buy stuff with btc then replenish) for another ~100 days then start buying and sell in ~220 days. I have no idea why this cycle would exist and I would expect it to end now that this thread has gotten attention.

So: between 4/2/2014 and 7/31/2014 (US notation)

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Quote from: bb113 on December 23, 2013, 03:32:56 PM

Here is an updated chart. It looks like the indicator did have a lower peak a few weeks ago. So that means it recommends to hodl steady (buy stuff with btc then replenish) for another ~100 days then start buying and sell in ~220 days. I have no idea why this cycle would exist and I would expect it to end now that this thread has gotten attention.

How do you update a mystery indicator?

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So this indicator is basically saying the crash is over now?

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Here is an updated chart. It looks like the indicator did have a lower peak a few weeks ago. So that means it recommends to hodl steady (buy stuff with btc then replenish) for another ~100 days then start buying and sell in ~220 days. I have no idea why this cycle would exist and I would expect it to end now that this thread has gotten attention.

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Some of these guesses are pretty funny.

The top chart is price up to the date of the post in log scale. It is only mt gox. The second is the mystery indicator which looks like it cycles with different periods, the strongest of which is 230.4 days. That is where the 115 day prediction came from. When mystery indicator is high it has been a good time to buy (in the past), when it was low it was good time to sell. The red and green lines are dates when the mystery indicator had "peaks", the value from the peaks is also shown below as the boxplots and density plot.

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here's the video that goes with it, from the OPs previous posts...:
http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=a32ntz&s=5#.UriZM_RDuF8

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I think this is a 1000 day chart prediction based on historical analysis.

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can someone please make a graphic that explains what im looking at? the only thing i recognize is the log chart. and it looks as it ends now. so how are you determining that the next run up is predicted in february?

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OP now considering a payment if you want the answer?

Quote

What I would like to do is have an address that people can send btc to if they want to know the secret of the chart.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3984055

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Quote from: x86Daddy on December 20, 2013, 04:38:07 PM

Quote from: rampantparanoia on December 13, 2013, 03:49:30 PM

necro

this actually turned out to be fucking true. who made this chart?

Or is it the kind of image host where you can change the image at a later date?

Looking at the graphs, I still don't get what they're mapping though.

Probably not, it's a normal image host, and the first post is not edited.

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Quote from: rampantparanoia on December 13, 2013, 03:49:30 PM

necro

this actually turned out to be fucking true. who made this chart?

Or is it the kind of image host where you can change the image at a later date?

Looking at the graphs, I still don't get what they're mapping though.

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This chart is clearly an oracle. From this point forward, I will make all my life decisions only after consulting the chart. Should I buy a new house? Is the time right to propose? What socks should I wear today? The chart tells all. Life has been so much easier since I discovered the fortune-telling powers of the chart.

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Quote from: GigaCoin on December 20, 2013, 12:59:17 PM

Indeed this Chart has been really accurate in a freaky satanic oracle kind of way

Maybe a Mathematics genius on this forum can decipher it and extend the chart further into the future

If you look at the first two charts, you can draw the conclusion that:

a) Time between green lines (Buy signal) is shortening on every cycle.
b) Time between red lines (Sell signal) is lengthening on every cycle.

The selling opportunities are getting scarcer or harder to pinpoint (??). I'm not sure how to phrase this thought..

So in a completely arbitrary and random fashion I would say:

Buy now and sell in 75-90 days (on Feb 2014 bubble?)

EDIT: OP please come back so I don't make an ass of myself with these crazy guesses !

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Giga

Indeed this Chart has been really accurate in a freaky satanic oracle kind of way

Maybe a Mathematics genius on this forum can decipher it and extend the chart further into the future

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Stand on the shoulders of giants

don't know ...I am reading ...

Statistically Sound Machine Learning for Algorithmic Trading of Financial Instruments
fantastic book ... here an youtube video and a shit music background Grin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgOxoMMillM

pls keep posting ...

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Quote from: Dargumin on December 18, 2013, 03:59:45 AM

When should we buy and sell again? This chart is the oracle!

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When should we buy and sell again? This chart is the oracle!

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what is the source of this chart? Huh

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well, if its right, its going to drop down to about 550, then go up, back down again in about 3 weeks, and then hover around 800 till what looks like the next run in 45 days+

who knows. kinda creepy though.

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Apophenia until proven otherwise... Nonetheless very interesting chart. Would like to know more.

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Quote from: sgbett on December 13, 2013, 06:12:10 PM

Quote from: rampantparanoia on December 13, 2013, 03:49:30 PM

necro

this actually turned out to be fucking true. who made this chart?

Monday 16th Dec is 115 days after post date... /dramatic music

OMG. This. Thread.

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Can someone superimpose the chart from the first picture with the actual log chart to see if they match ?

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Quote from: Lady_Luck on December 14, 2013, 11:55:30 PM

Quote from: n691309 on December 13, 2013, 06:42:42 PM

From where comes the 115.2 Days prediction ? I dont get it

It could have to do with a golden ratio, if the person assumed that the motion toward the peak at $266 started on Sunday, 7 October 2012, or 186.4 days before.
Then if in his idea the start of the motion toward the latest peak at $1242 started on 23/08/2013, then 115.2 days we would get us the golden ratio 1.61.
So by using length in time and not price, that could give the angle of 137.2 degree.

But that's getting beyond my maths skills, so i'd just say fib time zone/shooting apex/fractal theory applied to btc ?

I agree, Nature is crazy!!! golden ratio and fib could have something to do with it. Its beyond my math skills also.. But im a total believer in that stuff!

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“A decentralized registry for unique assets”

Quote from: Voodah on December 14, 2013, 06:38:53 PM

Quote from: faizaa123 on December 14, 2013, 06:18:14 PM

Quote from: Voodah on December 14, 2013, 05:41:25 PM

Quote from: GriTBitS on December 14, 2013, 02:56:28 PM

Make paper wallets!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k6aHHy3Vv0c

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2013/12/ison-dec-1516-last-call-2456666.html

Just in case! EMP to the computers. Hopefully someone has the blockchain in a lead box somewhere running.

You do realize if the blockchain somehow magically disappears those paper wallets are worthless right?

What do you mean by this? Blockchain.info doesn't have anything to do with paper wallets...

What?

Blockchain.info is a site.

THE blockchain is Bitcoin's public ledger, where all transactions get stored.

You need to go read on Bitcoin fundamentals.

Thanks Voodah! Lot of retards on this site!

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Quote from: n691309 on December 13, 2013, 06:42:42 PM

From where comes the 115.2 Days prediction ? I dont get it

It could have to do with a golden ratio, if the person assumed that the motion toward the peak at $266 started on Sunday, 7 October 2012, or 186.4 days before.
Then if in his idea the start of the motion toward the latest peak at $1242 started on 23/08/2013, then 115.2 days we would get us the golden ratio 1.61.
So by using length in time and not price, that could give the angle of 137.2 degree.

But that's getting beyond my maths skills, so i'd just say fib time zone/shooting apex/fractal theory applied to btc ?

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Quote from: faizaa123 on December 14, 2013, 06:18:14 PM

Quote from: Voodah on December 14, 2013, 05:41:25 PM

Quote from: GriTBitS on December 14, 2013, 02:56:28 PM

Make paper wallets!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k6aHHy3Vv0c

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2013/12/ison-dec-1516-last-call-2456666.html

Just in case! EMP to the computers. Hopefully someone has the blockchain in a lead box somewhere running.

You do realize if the blockchain somehow magically disappears those paper wallets are worthless right?

What do you mean by this? Blockchain.info doesn't have anything to do with paper wallets...

What?

Blockchain.info is a site.

THE blockchain is Bitcoin's public ledger, where all transactions get stored.

You need to go read on Bitcoin fundamentals.

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Quote from: Voodah on December 14, 2013, 05:41:25 PM

Quote from: GriTBitS on December 14, 2013, 02:56:28 PM

Make paper wallets!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k6aHHy3Vv0c

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2013/12/ison-dec-1516-last-call-2456666.html

Just in case! EMP to the computers. Hopefully someone has the blockchain in a lead box somewhere running.

You do realize if the blockchain somehow magically disappears those paper wallets are worthless right?

What do you mean by this? Blockchain.info doesn't have anything to do with paper wallets...

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Quote from: GriTBitS on December 14, 2013, 02:56:28 PM

Make paper wallets!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k6aHHy3Vv0c

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2013/12/ison-dec-1516-last-call-2456666.html

Just in case! EMP to the computers. Hopefully someone has the blockchain in a lead box somewhere running.

You do realize if the blockchain somehow magically disappears those paper wallets are worthless right?

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Giga

Quote from: GriTBitS on December 14, 2013, 02:56:28 PM

Make paper wallets!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k6aHHy3Vv0c

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2013/12/ison-dec-1516-last-call-2456666.html

Just in case! EMP to the computers. Hopefully someone has the blockchain in a lead box somewhere running.

i had no idea there are ppl calling dec 15/16 as the end of the world o_O

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“A decentralized registry for unique assets”

Make paper wallets!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k6aHHy3Vv0c

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2013/12/ison-dec-1516-last-call-2456666.html

Just in case! EMP to the computers. Hopefully someone has the blockchain in a lead box somewhere running.

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my prediction: buy now and sell in 765 days

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I want answers !

Where is OP?

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From where comes the 115.2 Days prediction ? I dont get it

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Quote from: rampantparanoia on December 13, 2013, 03:49:30 PM

necro

this actually turned out to be fucking true. who made this chart?

Monday 16th Dec is 115 days after post date... /dramatic music

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https://streamies.io/

Beautiful! Cheesy

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Quote from: rampantparanoia on December 13, 2013, 03:49:30 PM

necro

this actually turned out to be fucking true. who made this chart?

Thats crazy accurate. LOL. Mystery chart. I love it.

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necro

this actually turned out to be fucking true. who made this chart?

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This is obviously a graph of the price of chickens in Romania. Magic 8 ball says buy chickens and sell in 3.5 months.

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No, the first one is a log graph of price over time. (Note the two peaks and crashes.)
Time is in days since some date, looks like Jan 1, 2009?

Red and green verticals are buy/sell indicators.

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