Topic: Nagorno-Karabakh heating up again - Armenia accuses Azerbaijan of all-out 'war' (Read 1451 times)

Azerbaijan’s Defense Ministry confirmed on Wednesday that the agreement on ceasefire on the contact line in the zone of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict was reached through Russia’s mediation at the meeting of senior military officials of Azerbaijan and Armenia in Moscow.

The meeting on Tuesday was attended by the chiefs of General Staff of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan and Armenia, Najmaddin Sadigov and Yuri Khatchaturov. "At the meeting an agreement was reached on ending military operations on the contact line of forces of Azerbaijan and Armenia," the ministry said in a statement.....

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/moscow-stops-another-war-nagorno-karabakh/ri13775

Yes, Russia will live very big difficulties with its mixed turkish nations if can't manage them keeping connected itself. But in current  economical situation it doesn't seem that will able to do it. I believe that there's Russia behind new war between two states. Russia provokes Armenia for creating an opportunity to interfere. Because Baku approaches to West day by day. For example TANAP Project will push Russia to corner.TANAP will carry Caspian Sea natural gas to Europe in spite of Russia and Russia doesn't want any project in that geography without its control. You'll see that the main reason of Karabakh war is that project.

This is pretty fascinating, also the comments

Mutual Intelligibility Among the Turkic Languages

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/mutual-intelligibility-among-the-turkic-languages/

Azeri language is a Turkic langauge. That doesn't mean that it is the same as modern Turkish. The difference between Azeri and Turkish is similar to the difference between German and English.

And there are very few Turkish speakers in Iran. May be a few thousands. However, there are close to 15 million Azeris (especially in Qazvin and Hamadan), and a few hundred thousand Turkomans. The most important factor to remember here is that almost all of the Iranian Azeris are Shiite, thereby differing from the Salafist Turks.

There were conferences talking about the peace of these two countries in 2008 and 2010, but those didn't bring any peace, just war.

I think there's should be some proofs to claim the area, so there will be no conflict between them.

Yeah, the Turks came from central Asia so it stands to reason. Turkoman and later Ottoman. I didn´t realize that those Turkic languages were still almost identical. Language is very important, it´ll always draw peoples together if it´s common. Which is why for example I think it´ll be very difficult to tear Russia and Ukraine apart. It may succeed for a while but they are likely to get close again over time.

Yes Turkish Azeri languages are almost similar and they can understand each other very well. There are many countries in Middle Asia that use similar language. Also in Iran there are 20 million people speak in Turkish. That means Turkes doesn't only consist by Turkey

They´re basically between Turks, in Turkey itself and Azerbaijan. Or that´s at least Turkic. Are the languages, Turkish and Azeri similar enough that they understand each other well?

I would expect them to do so. A nation, who faced an extensive genocide throughout centuries (not least in Galicia), would tend to value human life much more.

The Armenians seems to have lost some territory. The RNK officials are claiming that the maximum retreat from the frontline was 300 meters, but even this retreat could yield a loss of several tens of sq.km of territory. Right now the Armenians seems to be giving more importance to preserving the lives of their soldiers, rather than holding on to the territory.

Three trivia facts:

When after the 1917 coup d'etat Russian Empire was destroyed, Nogornyj Karabah became an independent Armenian state.

Nogornyj Karabah is the hot-spot that was firs ignited in the USSR, and the violence fanning out of there, subsequently lead to the destruction of USSR.

The name "Nagornyj Karabah" is comprised of two words. the first, "nagornyj" is Russian and means "on the mountain top" (The same as in the name of the Balkan country "Chernogoria"), the second "Karabah" is Turkic and means "black garden".

Nagorno-Karabakh: Fighting still ongoing amid 'ceasefire'

Published on Apr 5, 2016
Azerbaijan says sixteen of its soldiers and two civilians have been killed in fighting over a disputed region in Nagorno-Karabakh, an area controlled by ethnic Armenians. It comes as the country's Defense Ministry blamed the Armenian military for artillery attacks they say are continuing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQE9-UT_W3E

‘Sporadic Fighting’ Reported as Ceasefire Takes Hold in Nagorno-Karabakh
Situation Remains Unresolved

by Jason Ditz, April 05, 2016

Locals reported “sporadic firing” in the Nagorno-Karabakh region today, but no major fighting after Armenian and Azerbaijan officials agreed to a joint ceasefire, which seems to be ending the fighting in the territory for now.

Nagorno-Karabakh has been disputed between Armenians and Azeris for a century now. The UN recognizes the territory as Azerbaijan’s, but the de facto autonomous government is Armenia-backed. The two sides have fought several wars over the issue.

This latest fighting, which spanned the weekend and Monday, was the first major dust-up since 1994. Both sides continue to accuse the other of starting it, and dozens of people were killed in the fighting.

The ceasefire is being welcomed by a number of nations, but the situation remains,as ever, unresolved, leaving open the possibility that another war could break out at any moment, on any pretext.

http://news.antiwar.com/2016/04/05/sporadic-fighting-reported-as-ceasefire-takes-hold-in-nagorno-karabakh/

OK... here is the deal. Armenia will give back the districts of Qubadli, Zangilan and Fizuli to the Azeris. On the other hand, Turkey should give back the provinces of Kars, Ardahan, Iğdır, Ağrı, Bayburt, Erzincan, and Erzurum to the Armenians, as this region was part of the historic Armenian homeland before the Ottomans massacred them in 1915.

Fighting in Nagorno Karabakh: A Headache for Moscow
Russian diplomatic intervention in an area of strategic importance to Moscow is likely to prevent escalation.

Alexander Mercouris Sun, Apr 3, 2016

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/fighting-nagorno-karabakh-headache-moscow/ri13720

Armenia occupied Azerbaijan's lands in 88 war. Today time to get them back.

Armenia President: Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict Could Lead to All-Out War
Clashes Continue Into Monday In Disputed Region

by Jason Ditz, April 04, 2016

Heavy weekend fighting continued into Monday, with reports of at least three more Azeri soldiers killed and Nagorno-Karabakh reporting that they’ve had 20 fighters killed and 72 wounded in the past three days of fighting.

Armenian President Serzh Sarksyan warned a group of foreign ambassadors today that the war could have “unpredictable and irreversible consequences, right up to a full-scale war,” cautioning that both Russia and Turkey could quickly become involved.

The UN recognizes Nagorno-Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan, but the region has had an unrecognized, Armenia-backed government since 1994. The dispute over the territory’s ownership rages throughout the Soviet era as well, with no signs of resolution.

Turkey issued a statement about the weekend fighting expressing support for Azerbaijan, while Russia’s Foreign Ministry slammed Turkey for being “one-sided.” Russia has an existing defense treaty with Armenia, and has 5,000 troops stationed there to defend them from potential incursions.

The recent flare-up came in the wake of Azeri President Aliyev’s visit to the United States. Secretary of State John Kerry met with him, and called for an “ultimate resolution” of the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute. Though Kerry insisted he wanted a diplomatic solution, within 48 hours fighting was raging.

http://news.antiwar.com/2016/04/04/armenia-president-nagorno-karabakh-conflict-could-lead-to-all-out-war/

It is the capital of Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, and lies close to the line of control. During the last two decades, some infrastructure development took place in Stepanakert, thanks to the contributions from the Armenian diaspora in Russia and the United States. But now, the diaspora is weakening as a result of population ageing and low birth rates, while the Azeri population is exploding due to their very high birth rate.

It´s in the thick of things, especially nowadays what with the war going on nearby and tensions between Russia and Turkey and of course this simmering dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan. It´s definitely a complicated game.

Its a area of the world I really do not know much about other than the CIA was quite active there along the border of Turkey and Iran in the seventies with drunk agents. So goes the story my mom tells me about taking the hippie trail during that time.

Stepanakert is a familiar name from the news of the nineties. It suffered immense damage from incessant Azeri bombardment.

Time to teach these pro-ISIS Azeri pigs a lesson once more. Seems like they have forgotten the drubbing which they received at the hands of the Armenes 23 years ago. This time the Armenians will conquer Baku, and will kick out the Azeri goatfuckers to Ankara. If Turkey invades Armenia, then Russia will join the battle and beat the shit out of the Turks.

Latest update: 12-year-old RNK civilian Vaghinak Grigoryan was killed during the Azeri shelling on residential areas near Stepankert.

Armenian President Says 18 Soldiers Dead in Nagorno-Karabakh Clashes

Sputnik International  4:50 pm

According to the Armenian president, 18 Armenian service members died and 35 were injured in clashes with Azerbaijan over the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region.

How it can be possible if Armenia attacks first?
Dog does't bite dog! Therefore Russia will be beside of Armenia in conflict.

Armenia-Azerbaijan Karabakh Conflict Escalates, Casualties Reported

09:17 02.04.2016

Armenia and Azerbaijan reported that the Karabakh conflict is turning violent and accused each other of conducting offensive warfare.

"The Armed Forces of Armenia violated the truce along the line of contact 127 times over the past 24 hours," Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said in a statement Saturday.

It added that Armenian military used mortars and heavy machine-guns.

The Armenian Defense Ministry issued a statement reporting about "active offensive combat waged by the opposing side on the night of April 1" with the use of "battle tanks, artillery and aviation".

"Active combat is currently underway. The Armenian Army has launched a counterattack… There are victims on both sides but the opposing side has sustained huge losses in manpower and equipment, a [Azerbaijani] helicopter has been shot down," the Armenian Defense Ministry's spokesperson Artsrun Hovhannisyan said on Facebook.

The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry said in response that "the information about the downed helicopter was absolute lie and all vehicles were in place. It was another provocation on the part of Armenia".



The conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan began in 1988, after the predominantly Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh autonomous region announced its secession from the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic. Nagorno-Karabakh proclaimed its independence in 1991, prompting a war that lasted until a Russia-brokered ceasefire was signed in 1994.

"The Armenian Defense Ministry strongly condemns the unprecedentedly aggressive and irresponsible decision of Azerbaijani government to begin military operations, and officially declares that the continuation of those operations can lead to unpredictable results for Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijani government bears the full responsibility for unprecedented escalation of situation at NK-Azerbaijan troops contact line," the Armeinian Defense Ministry said as quoted by Mediamax news agency.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20160402/1037362816/armenia-azerbaijan-karabakh-violent.html#ixzz44eMFeDzo

A significant part of the narco-money earned by the Azeri drug traffickers in Russia and Ukraine ends up with the Islamic State. Also, they are among the most important recruiters of the Islamic State in Russia, mostly targeting the migrant workers from the Central Asian countries such as Uzbekistan, Tadzhikistan, and Kyrgyzstan.

Ohh no again.
Those 2 countries already had very big war conflict about this area, I hope they will not start again.
It's much better for them to start peace talk and try to find some peaceful solution.

The Azerbaijan another Turkish or ISIS lowing country is constantly attacking the independent Republic of Nagorno Karabakh.

I don't have a good opinion about these Azeris. Most of the heroin trade in Russia is controlled by them, with the help of the Tadzhik and Uzbek thugs. And taking in to account that Russia has lost at least 3 million young men of working age to heroin addition in the last 20-years or so, I would say that it will be good for Russia if the Azerbaijanis get kicked in their asses by Armenia.

Anyway, Nagorno-Karabakh was in the news every day twenty years ago. There was a terrible war with atrocities and massacres. Not that it was anything new in these parts, the history is very violent stretching back thousands of years. So that´s business as usual and didn´t shock me awfully much. But what I was particularly concerned about at the time was the Karabakh horse, the horseman I used to be. I knew that there were pretty few left of them and somehow feared that they´d be totally exterminated during this slaughter. That´s how crazy I am, but I think they came out all right.

Well, it takes  a genius to become world chess champion and maybe geniuses are also mad to some degree. There can be a thin line, I´m sure. At least I would never expect them to appear like your average dumbass in our times. I have no emotional attachment to people like Kasparov, Fischer etc. Crazy? Can´t really care. I just look at their games.

Kasparov was great until he lost a game with computer. He went crazy after that.

I know pretty little of Azerbaijan but I do know that they always have numerous excellent chess grandmasters. This is pretty typical Soviet School of Chess, in the blood from a very young age, very well trained from the first, technically proficient. Very creative and dangerous players. Mamedyarov, Radjabov, Mamedov, Gashimov (R.I.P., died last year at only 28) and of course the great Garry Kasparov.

If you´re into chess, take a look at

Qatar Master 2015 Round 3 Mamedyarov vs Lenderman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fvTIaaL36o

Heh, I guess it´s time to join the European Union...

“Azerbaijan has moved to a floating exchange rate but someone forgot to teach it how to swim,” said Natiq Cafarli, an economist and member of the opposition Republican Alternative.

By the way, there is unofficial ban of exchanging local Azeri currency for Ruble, it's in force since Monday. All banks are refusing to sell rubles. They're claiming that they have no sufficient amount of ruble in cash and offering to buy either USD or EUR instead.

Could be that the falling oil is behind this flare-up or maybe the Azeris hope to be able to do something while most attention is focused on the nearby war. We´ll see.

Seems like Aliyev is trying to divert attention from the worsening economy, by attacking the Karabakh forces. Azerbaijan has seen its oil revenues decline by as much as 75%, and mass layoffs are starting to occur in the oil rigs and natural gas fields. A war with the Armenes will help Aliyev to declare a state of emergency, and remain as the president until the economy improves.

Armenia accuses Azerbaijan of all-out 'war'
Defence ministry says ceasefire doesn't exist as hostilities over disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region escalate.

22 Dec 2015 17:25 GMT

Armenia says a ceasefire with neighbouring Azerbaijan over the breakaway region of Nagorno-Karabakh no longer exists, describing frequent skirmishes at the front line as "war".

Artsrun Hovhannisyan, a spokesman of Armenia's defence ministry, said on Tuesday that Azerbaijan was using "all existing armaments: tanks, howitzers, and anti-aircraft artillery" against Armenian soldiers in the disputed region.

"What we have today is a war," said Hovhannisyan. "We must use the word 'war' as there is no ceasefire anymore."  



Azerbaijan responded with counter-accusations, blaming Armenia for the recent escalation.

"Ceasefire violations are taking place because of the illegal presence of Armenian forces in the occupied lands of Azerbaijan," Hikmat Hajiyevm, Azerbaijan's foreign ministry spokesman, told the AFP news agency.

"Armenia has to withdraw from the seized lands ... only afterwards the sustainable peace can be guaranteed in the region."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/armenia-accuses-azerbaijan-war-151222134855846.html