Topic: Naster is scam selling dirty paypal fund (Read 1083 times)

interesting discusssion.
I was following this topic since a few days now.

After my analysis, I went to this conclusion:

- Naster and his chinese friend busy had somehow together a paypal "shaddy" business where Naster was sending customers to busy

- busy knew that Naster was sending customers funds to him. In a post, busy mentioned that a customer charged back already in the past. However it didn't stop him from continuing this activity. I guess he was making enough money... otherwise I can't play why he didn't stop this business after the first case.

- When this happened for the second time, Naster suggested Busy to "drop" the Paypal account, offer that has been refused by his partner Busy because the concerned account was linked to his real bank account in China.

- Finally, Busy asked Naster to pay him 300 USD on the account to cover the loss AND additionally to give him back a bank account that was using on one paypal acccount (I guess Busy can resell that account to other customers).
I can't find a screenshot posted by Busy where Naster offered him 300 USD, I can see some screenshots where Busy asked Naster to pay these 300 USD as well as the removing of the account.

- Also I can see some reminders of Busy to Naster to send him the 300 USD.

- Naster paid with some delay the 300 USD and 4 weeks later, Busy is opening here scam accusation against Naster.

- I see that everyone here is against Naster and supporting blindly Busy, just because he posted lot of screenshots and just because Naster didn't post a screenshot where Busy explicitly confirmed that he received the 300 USD and closed the case.
And the same time, no one asked a single time to this man, why he didn't respond to Naster after he got the money. I got to hear that both had some communication systems daily. How to explain that he got the money and the bank account back, and didn't say anything to his partner 3-4 weeks later? It seems nobody is interested by this part, so I m asking myself if this isnt a  complot organized by few people to destroy the good earned reputation of Naster? When I check the Trust history of this guy, it's clear he has (well I will say had since few of you started to "kill" his profile) a solid and honest reputation.

- I see that a post from him was removed because of Doxing. Now, when I check the most screenshots of Busy, these contain privately information about customers. So basically, this chinese has the right to dox (because this also doxing!!!!!) while Naster can't do anything. Nobody stopped this guy to dox by posting privately information. At the same time, I see some posts where Naster  said he would not be interested to affect the privacy of his partner. Regardless, everyone calls Naster the bad guy. Wow, if this isn't an organized complot, I wouldnt know how to call this!

- So basically, few legendaries of this forum inculpate an old and Trusted member of this forum (when I check his profile, he joined 2015) against a new member of who in no way is contributing in this forum except posting some "unclear" (I won't say "false" or "non verified") scam accusations and doxing people? Wow if so, it's time to forget this forum.

- There are other PAYPAL < > BTC service on this forum, I used few of them, and all of them were using different paypal accounts to receive payments. This is nothing new, it has been always like this and it will be always. Don't act like Naster or Busy invented the paypal btc exchange.

- Nevertheless, I hope the Best for all the parties involved here. It was just my impartial analysis. I'm sorry if I offended someone.

Lol what a dirtbag. Doxing then claiming he tested positive for COVID-19 to elicit sympathy. He must be following Vod's posts.

@Naster Please stop to make threats or DOXING this user @busy124
I am not here to discuss about your litigation but there are no an amount of money that allowed you to threat or DOXING anyone.  Just my 5 cents. Please edit your post.
Hope you will understand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing

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I am very sorry to hear about this (+) test (don't worry, Everything will be fine! )

I am sorry for those who caught between me and Naster
@nutildah @suchmoon sorry about your negative feedback

I didnt want to respond your support because Naster made serious threat to me, I knew he would retaliate anyone who would oppose him

He also gather some of his partners to attack me and my thread

But unlike Naster, I will try my best to explain and provide evidence, rather than threatening and retaliate

My claim is simply, Naster is selling dirty paypal, people should be aware of it, despite of his advertising 100% clean paypal

LOL @ most respected. You aren't as smart as you think you are. I have been around here a long time, I recognize shady shit when I see it, and you are well into that territory. Trading isn't the problem, you are clearly not using Paypal within its terms of service at the very least, and more than likely you are engaged in some sort of charge back fraud. Neither one of the parties in this dispute seem to have any credibility, and all that is happening is you are both exposing yourselves.

Offering, and agreeing to provide a service for an established price, then not satisfying your end of the agreement and refusing to compensate is criminal activity.



What the fuck is this?  Are you threatening to DOX busy124?



Can you please provide more details about this statement?  Why was busy124's bank account connected to your PayPal, and what was the point of doing this in the first place?



Did you warn busy124 that you were contracting with other individuals to pay him, and you refuse to be held accountable if those other folks charge-back?  If so, show proof.  If not, then you are obligated to honor your agreement with busy124.  It's that simple.

You've been literally bullshitt-ing this thread for 1 week already , you claim there's an agreement between you , SHOW PROOF OF IT  , like countless people have already asked and not just assume to take your word on it.

From the facts presented in the OP  ( regardless of what shady arrangements you guys have made ) proof actually shows that you indeed scammed him  .        Want to change that ?  Show us the agreement between you two .

Where is that agreement? Earlier you said it was just an implied agreement. Clearly he doesn't feel that way. Producing a record of that agreement would have really helped you out here, and if you could do so, you would have already. So in all likelihood it never existed.


The mods aren't going to close this thread.

Its not about money, its about ethic. Those who know me, know that I have been always honest.
I made an agreement with this guy, 2 weeks later, even if I assume he changed his mind for whatever reason, he could have contacted me privately where we had daily and fast communication  and simply say "Hey Naster, sorry I changed my mind regarding our last agreement. Please can you see how you can send me XXXX USD or whatever?". I'm pretty sure that issue would have been solved fast as always. Instead, he comes here to call me falsely SCAMMER.
I'm sorry for him but I can't help him.
Not to mention that it was not just about giving him 300 USD back  but I had also to remove his latest bank account from my Paypal so his banker can recycle it and give it to someone else (don't ask again screenshots, I won't again to spend whole day in chat to search for text to screenshot).
You are free to support him and keep your statement if this makes you feel good  



@suchmoon Just as reminder: the funds which caused these issues were not my funds. I mentioned already that I'm not interested into this kind of funds, however sometimes such scammers can manage to scam you unfortunately. No need to repeat again the whole story.


Anyway @suchmoon + @nutildah feel free to keep your statement.

We are not making any progress unless engaging in other discussion. Kindly asking mods to close this nonsense-discussion.

Buying would imply paying for it, which you clearly didn't.

Also the source of your funds seems highly suspicious, what with you juggling multiple "stealth" accounts and all that shit.

You said busy124 was satisfied with only receiving the $300, even though you owed him $725. Clearly he wasn't, and you provided no proof of an agreement between you two to settle for $300. It's a pretty clear cut case here. If you reimburse busy124 the missing $425, I will remove my negative feedback.

Its crazy to say you are not untrustworthy if you feel its OK to occasionally leave your customers on the hook for money after they delivered you bitcoin. Either refund the missing bitcoin or send the money and I will remove my feedback.

@nutildah :  Seems you had already your idea about me from beginning, so I won't comment more.

@TECSHARE : if buying BTC with my PAYPAL funds then the US gov or whatever country should start closing sites like localbitcoins, paxful or whatever or even this forum. It seems you had nothing to say but you felt you need to say something.
I was curious to have a look at your profile and your Trust rating. Your profile shows that you are engaged in
well numerous of trades. So you trade also?? lol
So this is what the most respected members on this forum are saying about you?

Anyway, we STOP here please.

We are starting here moving away from the main subject, where in my opinion there is nothing more to explain on this topic.

I'm kindly asking to the Mods of this section to close this non-sense accusation and at the same time asking to those who abused of their Trust power to red my account to remove it. This was simply unfair.
Nobody really understands the motivation of Mr  **** ***** a.k.a Busy1234 with this. We are not here to speculate but to use facts and make constructive statements.
Agreement between us was clear and as always I respected my part. There is nothing more to discuss unless to engage into something else.

Thank you

Both of these guys are shady as fuck. IMO this is a waste of time to try to moderate. Just two shady fucks taking turns trying to buttfuck each other and crying about it. BTW, I hope neither of you live in the USA, because I am pretty sure a lot of what was published here constitutes evidence of criminal activity in the US as well as several other nations.

You showed no evidence that your customer agreed to accept $300 USD as payment in full. Just because he didn't respond right away doesn't imply that he agreed with taking only $300.

You left me a negative trust and said I am abusing the trust system, but this is exactly what it is for.

As I said in my feedback to you, if you make this user whole and repay what is owed, I will consider removing the feedback.

I already said that I won't make any more comment on this.

But I will give few more details.

1. Mr Busy is not even able to tell the truth. I understand that hypocrites like you get offended by the truth. I always knew you are a hypocrite, but a such??    

2. Generally when I accept PAYPAL funds from 3rd party customer, i verify their identity before accepting their money as well I ask question about the source of their money and I try to verify as much as I can. It's a standard procedure. I'm not interested in fraudulent funds However and unfortunately, they are always people who will find ways to scam you. Even on Localbitcoins.com where people are fully verified with double selfie (I have my own account there fully verified - Mr Busy I already gave you my account). If you want to start that game to post identities here, let's go. You can start with that now. I have enough evidence in hands that lead to you in person in CHINA. It shouldn't be a secret for you now. You said I'm threatening you? Aren't you the one who started this? I'm ready for that step if you want. I have no problems with that.

3. So your corrupted friend bankers open bank accounts for people just by seeing what they sell on ebay?? because that's all what was asked. no KYC right? standard procedure right?   Continue to hide yourself between few words and few screenshots.
You are VIP customer?? LOLLLL So you have your own VIP bank accounts in USA, in CHINA, in EUROPE and everywhere in this world right? and because you are such a VIP customer, you can just make a call and let them open any bank account lol so you are super VIP in Chicago right? at the same time in UK right? wow you must be BIG lol
And the fact that you and your corrupted bankers wanted to change the email accounts on the paypal accounts to have one @126.com (China domain) or @protonmail.com as main address, that's standard procedure for the VIP right?
This guy had control over the main emails... who knows what this means, will understand. I won't say more. I m sure he will think about something and explain us soon  

4. People are fixed on the expression "I will give you my other account" : first of all, its not forbidden on paypal to have multiple accounts. Who can proof me the opposite, can show me here. This guy had control over my accounts and wanted more. And simply because each account was for him source of imoney. He was selling me BTC, he was making money here by selling his BTC. For every item sold on ebay for example, he was taking a cut.

5. I saw again many times the same question about evidence of 300 USD. I showed few screenshots how we had a discussion. I m writing in english and not in russian right? If you can't understand, then I m sorry. Did you see any objection in our discussion when were discussing about the 300 USD? And why after I have paid the agreed 300 USD, he didn't answer immediately that he changed his mind again and I should send him now all the remaining. Why 2 weeks long, no words exchanged and directly starting make posts here while we had a very easy and fast communication channel? (by the way I just blocked him from Telegram and closed all our channel). He made the choice now to communicate, he can happily continue here. I will try to reply when I have some free time and I see a reason to answer.

I dont know why you are defending him, but I will answer your question

Higher rate is not to encourage him sending GnS from third party, but penalty
Because every time he send me GnS, he just apologize and promise never do it again, but he never learn the lesson

https://imgur.com/PBaWThM
https://imgur.com/kIzroUj

If you compare our screenshots, Naster covered key information showing rate is 30%
I sell him btc for between 10-14.5%, I know he sells his btc on this forum for 20%, so by increasing rate to 30%, that will ensure he will never send me GnS from third party, this is my goal for higher rate, because if he does, that will make him 10% loss

But you see all screenshots Naster takes are redacted, he covered key information, trying to manipulate conversation showing me allow GnS from third party at higher rate, but once I reveal the whole conversation, truth comes out.
I am trying as best as I can to stop him sending GnS from third party

How can you say I was using your paypal accounts when I dont even have password or access to the account, all you sent me was some information and screenshot of your paypal account, which is very common KYC when sell BTC on this forum.
https://imgur.com/uWjD2lz
I requested you to provide me access from teamviewer or VPS to verify the source of fund was from ebay, but you declined it.
So those paypals Naster used to receive GnS from third party were never mine, he had access and manage all transactions on his laptop.


It is funny his long post of evidences are most about me providing bank account to his paypal, he is jumping to the conclusion I will hide it, which I already disclosed this to another member's question before him

author=Btchunter3333 link=topic=5231737.msg54010695#msg54010695 date=1583965054]

Seems like he cant find any evidence he is just pulling lot of screenshot that proves nothing


Another desperate move, he is avoiding the fundamental question about he is selling dirty fund rather than attack me
Bank allows me to open multiple accounts because I am their VIP customer, once your company reaches certain level of income you get private bank manager and priority to open new account oversea, because I export lot to different countries, I only over used my privilege to help others to open accounts faster and easier

He also sent me life threat on my telegram, which I am not afraid of him.

I understand from all conversations that they both working together and now when something happen one of parts start complaining and not want anymore agree, and i also see that busy say if again happen send via good and family fee will be higher which means busy start take fee first time from Naster and not opposite.

@busy124 I'm sorry for your loss.  I hope naster comes around and makes things right for you.

@naster I'm sorry for your loss also, and I'm sorry you find yourself in this situation.  I can't help but think that finding yourself here was just a matter of "when" not "if."  You've been at this trading thing for quite some time, apparently.  I can only assume this is not the first time someone has charged-back a PayPal payment to you.  It seems like it's far too common when mixing PayPal with crypto.

Having said that, why on earth would you exacerbate the risk by letting others send PayPal to your vendors/clients on your behalf?  That's just asking for trouble.  How well do you know these clients who you've had send payments on your behalf?  Was this the first time you dealt with the client who sent payment to busy124?  Not that it really matters, because it's my belief that you are responsible for this transaction.  You made the agreement and arrangement with busy124, so that makes it your responsibility to honor the agreement.

Engaging in any business deals comes with inherent risks.  If you are unable or unwilling to mitigate those risks, then you must assume the risks and not expect your customers to suffer a loss that's attributable to your risky behavior.  There's nothing in your trading thread that indicates otherwise.  You did not mention in your trading thread that the risk of charge-backs is to be beard by the recipient of PayPal funds.  You did not mention that you will be contracting with others to send the PayPal payments on your behalf, and that those funds are at risk of being charged back.

Furthermore, suchmoon makes a very valid point about defrauding PayPal.  I know they are huge corporation that can afford to absorb some fraudulent behavior, and may not garnish any sympathy (especially from the crypto crowd,) but that's not an excuse to engage in fraud.  By your own admission you have multiple PayPal accounts, which is a violation of their terms of use.  You seem to have no reservations about "dropping the account" and moving on to another.  Some of us who use PayPal for legitimate purchases and sales, and have provided them with our real KYC documents do not have that luxury.  Just the fact that you made such a suggestion displays a lack of honesty and integrity.

I have a feeling this situation will hurt you much more than you think if you decide not compensate busy124 for his remaining losses.  By not making things right you risk losing far more business in the future, and therefor more money than what this would be costing you.

Best of luck to both parties involved.

I was willing to give you a fair shake here but you provided zero evidence of an "agreement." Shifting the blame to either your client or us does not absolve you of your responsibility to complete your end of a deal.

You again avoided answering a couple of simple questions so I'll take that as a confirmation that my feedback is factual:

1) You received $725 worth of BTC and paid only $300 for it.
2) You suggested that your partner should "drop" the account, i.e. defraud PayPal.


Making such threats makes you look more like a scammer, not less.

"better I give you an other account" -> I had deals with him where he was using my old paypal accounts.

I see people here acting just like they never used bitcoin for paypal. Even some of those writing here used the service already several times. That's pathetic.

From now, I will not make any more comment on this.

I'm done with this topic.

You are all free to engage in discussion with the OP.

I had an agreement with this guy, all was clear if you followed the discussion. I paid him what was agreed and I will give him nothing more.

This guy was working in HongKong and in few european countries with some corrupted bankers to open bank accounts, while he has is own called "Master account" in HSBC in Hong Kong (all information are available).
I will expose you fully if you continue telling bullshit about me and you and me know how your country CHINA will react on it.

https://imgur.com/5ZAgkLG
It is legal, because bank account was registered under paypal account holders name, that is why I asked him to provide data and screenshot of his paypal page
You can ask your accountant to register a company or bank account in a foreign country without your present

Well this is your point. Did you know that use your bank account on another paypal accounts and not on your own paypal account is against paypal terms and policy?

And one more thing, i don't see where you ask him 725 usd?

It is a long post, so i am making a conclusion
His screenshot proves our deal was cleaning FnF send from his own paypal account to my paypal or transfer to my bank

point 2 and 3: Felix and Salvador paypal are business paypal account that get payment from ebay or the ads income, they belong to Naster, I can provide more screenshots to prove he send me data to verify those are his paypal accounts, you can see he also send me screenshot of his ebay, sometime i verify the legitimacy of his paypal source.
so I dont have access to those 2 account, Naster is using his own paypals to collect payment from his clients on this.
https://imgur.com/DqRoTBW
https://imgur.com/rQ1vxNR

point 8. the screenshot from Russian payment proves, I was against him sending GnS from third party, he also made that promise not to do that again, but he kept using my paypal to test potential dirty payment from third party behind my back

So here you go, this the last time I cant tolerate his shady business anymore

All his screenshots proves my points

Seeing how they juggle multiple PayPal accounts and bank accounts and try to "drop" negative PayPal accounts after withdrawing the funds... I would disagree. The whole thing looks scammy AF.

I read through everything. You don't have a screenshot of him agreeing to accept $300 as repayment in full instead of $725?

A couple things here:

1. This looks like an extremely risky, somewhat shady business all the way around, and it seems like the only winner here is usually PayPal.

2. You have an online reputation at the forum and he doesn't, which definitely helps your case, but you haven't provided any evidence thus far that he agreed to take only $300 instead of $725.

Nothing else really matters here.

I don't know why he would ever accept a payment that wasn't F&F, but that's not the root of the issue: the root of the issue is you took $725 worth of BTC from him and only delivered $300.

My take on this for anyone who cares, Naster you are offering a service here. By offering such a service you are guaranteeing the funds. You are making a % from each trade. I'm not seeing the % you are charging for trading in your thread, but i'm sure it's between 10% and 30%.

If you are buying bitcoin and giving Paypal, the Paypal should always be sent from your account on Paypal, NOT from other customers. This makes it where you are the only 1 who has to worry about a chargeback to your account. The person sending you bitcoin should never be at risk by anyone except you. You make that % you charge to cover some of the losses you may incur.

Doing business any other way then what I just described makes your service a huge risk to potential customers.

It's a very simple question. Did you receive $725 worth of Bitcoin from the OP or not?


You both were clearly involved in some shady PayPal shit. It's funny how the part of your conversation after "you already withdrawed ight?" [sic] is missing in your screenshots. That's where you said "better you drop this account I give you an other account free", didn't you? What exactly does this mean? Leaving PayPal holding the bag, right?

It looks like you both were laundering money via PayPal and BTC and you stiffed your "business" partner.


Mods will not close anything. Scams are not moderated.

I don't want say nothing but on a simple search on google with words masternaster paypal appears this website first

https://www.aspkin.com/forums/members/-masternaster.html


and after this ads  https://www.aspkin.com/forums/account-services/119895-buy-here-bitcoin-your-stealth-paypal-quick-easily.html

which means there people not use own paypal but stealth to buy bitcoin with (so not so legal ways at least on that website), so maybe the truth is somewhere on the middle.

Finally I found some time to come here and reply to these shameless accusations.

But before let me comment few reactions so far:


Good question asked. As far as I remember, this was the second time this happened. If I'm a scammer like he is saying, he should have stopped to work with me by that time.
I was reviewing few of our early chats, we have been probably 1year+ working together, and almost daily communication through Telegram , in the past sometimes in skype.
For those who know Paypal, they know that Paypal is sometimes incalculable. Based on some activities on your account, they can decide any time to close your account and even at their own refund payments and mark it as "unauthorized" even if they were. It's not easy to deal with this company for sure.
This guy is BTC seller, he was selling me BTC and in exchange I was giving PAYPAL.  Due to the high volume he was requesting, I was giving him sometimes funds from my other customers (customers that I had previously verified) and it was not a secret. He knew about that. Of course, he will decline this now.
Not just that, he was sometimes giving me bank accounts where my customers could pay and withdraw to his bank accounts, charging me some fees. And of course, he won't tell that      (I come back to this topic shortly).



We came to this agreement for following reason: one customer sent many small payments to his account. Few days later, these payments have been reversed by PAYPAL. Trying one more time to solve together  this issue, I asked him if he already withdrew the money before this happened. Short story, he moved out already a part and part was left. We agreed that I should get back his paypal account to positive to fix this issue. What I did few days later.
The guy who scammed had sent me around 7-8k paypal balance, almost all has been reversed and I was in short of funds by that time. So it took me few days to send the payment of 300 USD (screenshots following). Normally I have some preventing measures for this by checking few things in accounts of customers, unfortunately these days I had a such overload of work and I missed few checks and this caused me this high loss. And of course, this is not the reason, we just made an arrangement for this case and as always I fulfilled my part.
It could have said "NO, I just dont want you to pay me 300 USD etc.." and I'm very sure I would have fixed the issue with him. Other were affected by this incident and so far nobody complaining here. It should mean what it means.


 
Very funny   so his only goal here is to "defraud" my reputation for nothing. Good luck with that Mr Busy1234!



Thanks for this comment. Why did he wait so long? I will come back to this shortly.
If this guy dealed with me 1 year+, it can't be a bad sign. But of course, you are free to have your own mind of this.



Mr busy1234 is a Trader. He knew that he were getting also payments from my customers. That wasnt a secret. And I know that he worked also with similar guys.
For example, some of my customers were selling on ebay and used the bank accounts provided by Mr Busy1234 and he was controlling the main emails of these accounts. There are many things I could post here, but I m not interested to get this guy into trouble. As these informationcould lead to his person there in China. Therefore to protect his privacy, I won't post too much screenshots here. But I reserve the right to do it.



You keep repeating yourself. Who said "go and defraud PayPal?" Do you know he was working? Then let me tell you: he gets Paypal funds on his paypal account (he was giving me several accounts to be loaded every day with around 300-400 USD each). Once he had the money, he was simply withdrawing to his multiple bank accounts. Therefore, when this happened, I asked him if he had already moved out the funds so I can see what to do next to fix this ASAP. Just don't sit on one single argument - that you didn't even properly understand - to judge me. Seems you are more excited by your red trust than anything else. If so, Here you go, enjoy you Power to give red trust then.



ok enough. Back to the topic with few screenshots.
We have been in communication almost daily and this since 1 year+ through Telegram (direct chat + our working group) + Skype in the past. If I have to review all these conversations, probably I wouldnt be done within 1 week.
So I reviewed quickly few things and took few screenshots. Also as said, I will not post any information that could lead back to Mr busy as we exchanged also such information.

1.


here Mr Busy informed about the incident.
a)He asked if this payment was from my own account, as he knows that my customers send him also. So I replied. And see the reaction after my response. If it was really new to him, he would have started complaining at that point with things like "Why did you let your customer send to me? etc etc"
b) my first reaction was to ask here if he moved out the funds already. Some are happy to call this "defraud paypal".


2.


As said, he was providing me also bank accounts to be used with some paypal accounts, where he was controlling the email accounts. So after this incident, he wanted me to remove the last account that was still in use. I was receiving there ads payment from a customer. Again he was aware.
By the way, I saw where he was saying that I dont have money. This guy was putting me pressure to send him more and more paypal and for more fees because "bank is asking more money". Therefore I had to reduce the volume, I have many other btc sellers with competitive rates.  Not just that, he was very discourteous. Thus, I reduced a lot the traffic to him. I still have good volume of sales but I m not here for that discussion.


3.

As I was saying, he was managing also the ebay funds of some customers with his accounts.


4.
They were time where I had enough paypal funds for him, and he couldnt accept the payments because of issues with his bank accounts.
See this discussion:




5.
Here we had already concluded that I will pay just the 300 USD  so we close this incident.








6.
Finally I paid



And this was my last communication with him since.


7.
Here an old discussion we had about 2 of my own accounts (because he is saying I never did IPTV or whatever)



8.
Here I found an old discussion from the 24th July 2019 about a payment made by a russian customer who was running a legit business:








9.
Here again:



I repeat this was my last communication with him since.
I m very surprised that after few weeks passed, he who was having almost daily communication with me, just comes here to start with accusations.
What is his real motivation finally? May be a good way (really good?) to attract some paypal customers using my name over his newbie account. Why not ))) but in my opinion the wrong way to do it.
Anyway good luck with your new sales.


I hope I provided enough information to the community and the mods needed to close this case ASAP.

Thank you everyone!

It's not abuse.  It's customary for DT members to neg someone when there's a scam accusation made against them that looks to have some merit to it, which is what happened here.  I'm pretty sure nobody would have a problem removing their red trust against you if you convince them you didn't scam OP.

I agree with you there, though it's currently the only way I have to buy bitcoin at a reasonable price and I'm sure I'm not the only one in that situation.  It kind of sucks that services like Circle no longer exist, ones that make it easy to buy and sell bitcoin with a bank account.

Yep.  I don't know how many times I've heard similar statements like that, but nevertheless I hope this gets resolved to the satisfaction of both parties.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2417495.180
you can find most answers in this post

I didnt know it was from third party, that is why I was so angry when I found out, and he apologized and promised no more third party payment

The terms was simple clean paypal fund from his own accounts send as FnF
he did request to send as GnS few times but I refused it, we all know FnF is safer and GnS is just too much trouble and could kill my account

I had few paypals to receive payments from him, also I provided him bank accounts to link to his paypal to make bank transfer, because i cant get USA or european paypal, that requires SSN, so I just give him bank account to link to his own paypal that he used to run his shops.
But in the end, if he wants to receive GnS from his shops or third party payment, he has to use his own paypal to collect payment and transfer to my paypal as FnF or to my bank accounts.

Before tag Naster and accuse of scam, can you post all terms you agreed to work with?

And on all your transcations you made with Naster over the years you used same paypal account?

And you know that paypal money come from 3rd party and not directly from Naster?

If you want to paint me this, that i am using this to blackmail you, I already said in your thread I dont care about that money anymore, you can keep it, even if you pay me back now this is not going away, your accusation stays.

This guy is full of bullshit, when we start exchange he kept telling me he can buy $5k per day, but in the end he merely did $400 per day, and still having trouble for that small amount, I understand that, a lot people brag about their business to negotiate better deal, and now you are doing 100k a day and too busy to save your reputation?

He said he lost $7k to a third party in this scam and paid from his own pocket
this is very shady, as my account was only $600 in negative, then you asked me to drop that account and defraud paypal, when you are paying thousands to keep your own account alive? or this is just another lie you want to play as victim again

see why i kept forgiving him every time he made shady transfer, he always cry he lost much more, thousands $, then I became soft, ok ok give him another chance to save his business and lost.

I dont want to post our conversation here anymore since he is implying my evidence is invalid that i deleted chat to manipulate our conversation

Its quite common that everyone is busy with with their works but when its a matter of reputation then i think its better to put concentration on solving rather than ignoring. If you have enough confidence about your service then you should provide proper screenshots/evidence to prove OP wrong.  

Hope you will find enough time to take a look on your chat history which will help us to reach on final decision about this accusation.  

The OP posted a few screenshots that show you telling them to defraud PayPal. You paid back only $300 of disputed $725. Both solid reasons for red trust.

Well I don't know what went behind the scenes with you guys , but did you at any point informed  busy124   that the funds are coming in from a 3d party and there's a risk that the money might be disputed ? Did he agree to this ?    Cause I'm quite sure no one would really agree in this conditions .

But anyway , waiting to see more relevant proofs , conversations etc.

I have been in contact with this guy certainly now for 1 year+
To take screenshots, I need to go trough a lot of conversation, Telegram direct, telegram group, even skype, possible some he deleted etc.
I takes time that I dont have now, sorry.
Please understand that I m busy with other work.
These accusations are simply ridiculous and I will not abandon now my work for that. This can wait, I dont have pressure. I did nothing wrong.

The time it took you to write this long post , you could've taken some screenshots of the agreement with busy1234. Just sayin...

Hi
I have been just informed about this post of Mr Busy by  the user nutildah. Thank you very much.
I m very busy now and I will try to address this concern in around 10hrs from now.
I have seen some Legendaries members who started "abusing" of their trust to put me some negative feedback. It's okay, but I hope you will stay fair in this matter.
I will response with much details as possible.

Also I m requesting to Mr Busy1234 to kindly remove his comments from my Thread. We must follow some rules here, everyone is free to accused everyone of scam, there is section for this. No need to spam my sales thread for this (and he didn't even pay attention).
I reported to moderators of the sales section to remove it, they ignored it (). I'm kindly asking them to threat everyone here equally. I never made a difference between Newbies and Legendaries (otherwise I would have never worked with this Mr Busy). We are all equal guys, never forget it.

@Mr Busy1234, kindly remove your "spam" from my sales thread, we will discuss and fix everything here in the right section. Unless your goal here is only to attack my reputation and nothing more and for nothing!


And Short answer for now:
I had a clear agreement with this man and at no time, at no point, I missed to respect my part of the agreement.
It looks like now he wants to double his money after few weeks ( I will let you know later why I m telling that).
And seriously, I process so much funds daily, you really think I need to scam few USD??? I had cases where few thousands have been reversed and I paid from my pocket.
In this case, I made my part of the arrangement and I will give him nothing more.
The only thing I will do here once I have some free time, I will give more details to clarify and CLOSE this case.
I don't support SCAM and I don't tolerate SCAM.

Why did you wait so long to comment on what happened, too, dealing in thousands of dollars with someone who "payments got disputed" before is a dangerous sign, why did you continue to deal with all this the negative signs?
And the last part that I did not understand is how you confirmed it was "dirty paypal fund"?

In general, Sorry for your loss and I support that dealing with this user is dangerous, especially since he mentioned the story of dealing with a third party.

So if I'm reading this right, Naster claims those disputes were done by someone else, refuses to pay you back, and even suggested to defraud PayPal ("drop this account").

I think using PayPal with BTC is asking for trouble, particularly with someone who had already stiffed you in the past, but a scam is a scam. I've posted red trust for Naster and supported your flag. You can probably create a type 2 (implied contract) flag.

Please check the reference link, i have posted new proofs that i am not dealing with third party, in fact Naster promised no third party paypal payment, and I paid BTC/USDT to Naster's wallet

Please help me to report him

Yes, in the end he paid me back the money he disputed and also playing as victim crying he got scammed, so i gave him another chance to proof his paypal is clean, but not this time

I am not complaining about the money at this stage, I get it he is not going to pay me back, and I dont care about that money anymore, but people should be aware Naster is selling dirty paypal

Please help me to report him

It doesn't look like the OP was dealing with Naster but with some third party. Not sure what's the connection there. Was Naster the recipient of the bitcoins in exchange for those PayPal funds? If so then Naster should pay back the full $725 ("someone else scammed me" is not a valid excuse).

I don't understand, if you've had payments reversed from time to time, why did you keep taking the risk to trade with him? Because he was paying you back? #followthemoney
Besides the fact that PayPal may decide to close your account due to the number of disputes you've received, you knew such a situation could happen at anytime

didn't you agree to receive a refund of $300? If it is then it's too late to complain dude, it should have been done before he sent $300

Use the proper scam report format, please see below link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-report-format-use-it-to-make-scam-reports-properly-260073

I have been working with Naster for 1 year now, buying thousands $ paypal fund from him every week.
I had some small payments got disputed in the past, but he paid me back in the end
last month he reversed $725 paypal payment, and refused to take responsibility for that


Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/naster-676128

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2417495.180

Amount Scammed: $425
Payment Method: USDT

PM/Chat Logs:
https://imgur.com/uIcGYhv
https://imgur.com/OGocW1f

Additional Notes: I advise you to not deal with this user