Topic: Natural corona virus immunity sky rockets. (Read 353 times)

Did you understand what you read?

Did the researchers filter the fluids they withdrew from the sick or dead people properly?

Did they properly separate the various substances that they filtered?

Were they able to grow the isolate in a petrie dish?

Were they able to compare what they grew to the filtered substance to see if they really grew the thing that they originally filtered?

Did they "inject" the substance into another living "person" to see if they could get the new subject to become sick?

Did they withdraw fluids from the subject they made sick, filter them, and isolate exactly the same substance they had isolated from the first subject?

Did their report go into enough detail to show exactly how they did what they did?

Can you find the literal people who did the research? That is, did they sign their reports, and can you actually locate them in the medical lab wherein they did the worked, in case you want to question them about some aspect of their work?

For starters, check the "Koch's postulates" article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch%27s_postulates. Go 2/3 down the page and look at the things that have to be checked for in the 21st Century. Then search for the River's updating of Koch's postulates to see the path that needs to be followed to make sure that everything was done correctly so that the wrong substance wasn't identified.

Did you get that deep into it? Others have, and have found the reports lacking in many areas.

??  Where did you dream that up?

Recent news out of the UK indicates the virus does permanent damage to many organs other than the lungs.  Other news is antibodies are only effective for 3-6 months.

19 will become another seasonal illness like the flu, until the current strain dies out and the evolution is no longer harmful to humans.  Could take years or centuries!

There will be no herd immunity - just like the flu. 

It seems to be pretty much accepted that 95% of the population will not have serious problems when they are infected with the corona virus. It would also seem that almost everybody has been or will be infected at some stage in the not too distant future. Natural immunity in a healthy person lasts for in excess of 17 years - that is the furthest back they can go to check, so it is probably a lifetime immunity. Fake vaccines are expected to give limited immunity for less than a year, and will require regular " top ups".

95% of the population has been adversely affected by the economic measures imposed by governments, and the resulting deaths would appear to be in excess of the genuine ones that can be attributed to the virus.

So in summary, if you are at least half way healthy, then you should get a mild infection during the summer months, and build a natural immunity before the monkey face masked brigade get their winter infections.

Please note, I have no medical training and I haven't been indoctrinated by the Pharma propaganda. I'm just a practical guy who likes to delve behind the sheeple fodder.

do you think that if a person believe he has immunity and the virus is fake, he has the shield from catching it?  what you can do is wear protective gears if possible and improve you health by eating healthy and vitamins for protection.

someone in our house doesn't care about getting infected so we allow him to go out and freely walk around to the marketplace but he just can't go back inside the house. there is a cabin we build long time ago, it must be good to quarantine himself all his life. now he has to cook for himself.

This might be done by the government so that people do not easily panic and stress facing this pandemic, because usually people who are easily stressed are very vulnerable to disease. While we are all waiting for the vaccine to be made by experts, it is better to carry out activities as usual and follow the recommendations set by the government with existing health protocol standards so that the economy is better and can meet daily needs

We also know that the coronavirus is an RNA virus that mutates very quickly. That's why I wouldn't trust the information about 30% as the virus can vary dramatically in different countries.

There is no thinking. There was a research done and I read it. But I am to lazy to now go and find pdf of it. Problem is as I said that such researched has to be reviewed a lot.  And only time can help with that. In half year that cant happen.

The problem with this thinking is:
1. The Chinese identification of Covid was not done correctly; therefore we don't have any accurate identification;
2. Since Covid matches SARS like 80%, it has probably been around for two decades;
3. Herd immunity has been achieved around the world for essentially 2 decades or more;
4. The numbers are total misinformation manipulation of the numbers; you can tell by finding out how the numbers were treated at different times over the last 6 months.


Big Holes in the Covid 'Spike' Narrative

60% are some usually average for viruses. But it differs for every virus. For some you would need 90% for some 20%. There were some researches made a month ago and their results shown we are very lucky with covid-19 since to achieve herd immunity only 30% of population need to be immune. Of course no such results are tested enough, since covid-19 exist only half year.

It seems that some countries, including the government of the country in which I live, have taken a herd immunity method to fight the growing Corona virus on a daily basis. This method is of course much easier and does not cost the government much money nor does it cause the economy to crash. Therefore people should live with this virus for a long time and accept it as part of their life and try to increase their immunity to fight the virus instead of waiting for the vaccine that may never come.

And I read that about 60-70% of the population must be affected by the virus to develop collective immunity. It's a pity that we won't know what percentage of people have already got sick because the number of false-positives and false-negative test results can't be precisely determined.

I have started to believe that all this buzz around covid and the fact that media tries to make people believe that it is a deadly virus has started to happen because there is a huge vaccine production right now on going.
The have to pursue somehow the people that they have to be vaccinated in order to be safe from the virus and make pharmacheuticals rich.

We as a whole world are far from herd immunity. I saw some research it said that about 30% of population is needed for herd immunity. I doubt there is few % of people on earth immune right now.  Yes on some parts of world like Lombard or New York immunity is close to 30% but in most part of the world is not even 1%.

With the rise within the number of corona viruses there's not any fear among the people due to the lockdown most are moving as they please we've not yet discovered a vaccine to fight the virus We aren't in the least sure whether the vaccine for Covid-19 will begin in the least. Can't get out albeit a vaccine does begin it's impossible to ensure that it'll pass all the tests before it comes on the market.

^^^ It's good if it's increasing. Most of the people that have it aren't sick at all. They're keeping us penned up for nothing.

The number of the infected people with the virus is increasing maybe it is because most of the country is now free, most of the government stated that we are now in general community quarantine, that is why most of the people are now back to the normal lives, working, playing or anything which result to violate the social distancing and by that the virus can easily spread to each and every one. I think we should kill first the virus before were getting back to normal.

I think you are going to have to take the "wait for a vaccine" part out of that equation. And where does that leave us?

Pretty sure herd immunity requires around 80% of the population to actually have gotten it. The state in the US that had the most amount of people get it was NY, and even the state of NY only has 20% of the population get it. This is while 26k (or more now) residents of NY died b/c of Corona.

While yes, we'll get closer and closer to herd immunity as things go on. We're going to have a lot of people dead if we continue to go on the path of herd immunity. The best case is a vaccine soon, but that's also pretty far out at this point.

Rolling lockdowns and social distancing while we wait for a vaccine is really all we can do. Honestly.

Since there is no proof that SARS and Covid are different, this is, like, the 20th season for Covid... since we really don't know when SARS actually started.

1. if this is the 2nd 3rd season then yea people have built up a tolerance. they have the blueprints from previous seasons and the hospitalisation rate per year would drop from 10% first to 1% second to 0.1% third

but we are in the first season of a new virus..
again because i dont think you understand this part
NEW VIRUS
even if you do have a fast metabolism so when you identify a threat replicate loads of antibodies. this can take hours-days still.. but in that first 20 minutes of sucking face with a sick person the viral load may outpace your bodies ability to have pot luck random defenders.
its then too late its in the lungs replicating

much better to get low dose to then have low amount battle/replicating if they get passed the first defense
..
2. face coverings are only about 20% effective compared to N95/PPE2. and if you just done some maths.
its way better to instead of getting 1mill particles sucking face unprotected. to stand at 2 metres and get
a few dozen thousand. and then reduce that by 20% further so that your body gets a lower dose. thus less fight to need to battle

but overall distance and limiting time exposure makes more of an impact that a covering.

but if you want to keep promoting people should lick faces with sick people for 20minutes a day unprotected then you are just creating more problems for people.
much better to promote personal space respect to only get low dose exposure(social distance/cloth covering)

or if you are in the vulnerable category. then avoid all exposure(shielding/n95)

you might want to check on that
when you realise a large majority of the 79% general white NHS staff are not patient facing. but office/admin/consultants/lab techs

and if you instead looked at the reports of the actual patient facing staff diversity
you will start to see that there are more philippinos, african, asian, indian in the mix. and its not 2-11%
meaning its not a HEALTH risk difference based on ethnicity. its a close contact risk that has more BAME people getting close to patients than white staff

what real BAME support groups are asking for is why are the white people safe in their office spaces while the BAME community are tasked to be facing patients taking all the risk
its not about BAME people being lower immune
..
its the same with work places. bus drivers and taxi drivers are usually a higher BAME community % yet they are in roles where they have to stay upclose and in confined spaces with loads of people.
again not a health immunity concern but a proximity to random people concern

I agree with you on this and pharmaceutical & media mafia is getting desperate, but don't worry about them as I am sure we are going to see new even more dangerous virus soon.
They invested a lot of money and they wanted to make quick profit.
It would also be good if everyone checks stats and number of deaths each month from all causes in your country, and do that for previous ten years.
Eye opening experience.

I have commented several times that health care worked can be exposed to viral overloads, and this is a good reason for them to take protective measures. I have also pointed out that many doctors seem to believe in the propaganda pushed on them by the Pharma industry, and this weakens their immunity. Dr John Campbell is one example. He is pro vaccination, statins and other medication, and he reports that he often suffers from viral infections. In fact he has recently published a video which I found interesting, and it discusses memory T-cells, and on reflection, it seems to validate many of my opinions, but he  has given the results a spin that is contrarian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WLrjJ90rQg

Another problem with care worker stats is that many of them come from the BAME community, and/or smoke and are obese. You can verify this by observation, and you don't need manipulated stats. There is also a high probability that they have regular vaccination, and are frequent users of pharmaceuticals - all of these factors are know to disrupt the immune system, and leave people vulnerable.

My main point is that the vast majority of the population have a strong immunity to virus that has been given to them by nature. No man made drugs or vaccines have any chance of improving on this. Now id the time when immunity is at its strongest, so lets do all we can to let as many people as possible gain natural immunity, and then we can get on with life and try to handle the real economic problems that beset the world.

The increase in viral load is also an argument against the wearing of mass produced face masks.

The desperation is so bad - I don't know what the media are playing at- that the new shift is on animals testing positive to the Corona virus covid-19. The news is moving from one animal to another and in numbers, -my wonder-
+Are they just testing animals now -what did they use as test animals for the possible vaccine-
+ Animal to human transmission should have been checked long ago.
+ Will the virus be more severe, some disease that enters an animal, can transform -develop- and the animal serve as a temporary host for that disease and when it passed to humans it's more vigorous.

The vaccine to the covid-19 virus is not coming, people immunity are fighting it, and should I say adapting -the human system can develop cells or cells can specialize to fight a known invaders-. Good a thing the virus has made people understand essential health and healthy living. I don't know the trick the pharmacy companies would have up their sleeves?

even people with strong immune systems and people that know about health still suffer
take the doctors in the ICU. its their speciality they know about infections they know about immunity. but they get sick too

the reason is not that a good immunity will make you immortal. because when it comes to new viruses that are having their first season where you have not had it before you have no blueprints of the antibody inside you. your just playing a game of 'pot luck' that your body can adapt and find a corresponding random defender to block/fight an attacker

its about viral load too. if your a person inhaling 500m particles per breath for a long time vs someone only inhaling 3 million so there is less virus for your body to battle

think about simple math
if your playing dogeball would you prefer to be hit by 50 balls up close or stay at a distance so you can dodge 47 of them and only get hit by 3

its basic math
if it takes you 1 second to react to hit a ball you cant dodge. would you want to be a metre from the thrower meaning it gets to you in 0.2seconds meaning you cant react fast enough so you get hit hard by all 50 balls.
or
stand metres away giving you more time to react and hit the 3 balls you cant dodge

trying to pretend that being an athlete that has quick reflexes will make you immortal still means you end up getting hit by 50 balls and looking like a fool while getting hurt and wondering why hurt. and just trying to hide the pain and pretend it aint happening..
.. or you can simply just keep your distance and be aware of your surroundings for a much simpler solution

dont 'be a man' getting hurt and trying to be macho pretending it dont hurt
instead be smart and just avoid getting hit so much


remember its a new virus your body doesnt have the blueprints of a antibody built in yet. so even a strong immune system wont be proactive to defend you.. but will possibly be quick reactively to fight it once it has learned the blueprint antibody that works

EG if you got a viral load that overwhelms you
bad immunity = 3-4 weeks in hospital
good immunity = 1-2 weeks in hospital

try to think about math and science.. and not hope and wishes

Do you have any source for this ?

People are focusing on precautionary measures on how to avoid the covid-19 but they don't focus on developing a strong immunity system. If you develop are strong immunity, the virus cannot harm you. We don't need a vaccine or other drugs rather get your daily vitamins intake increase and adopt healthy foods.

The entire family of coronaviruses doesn't have too high of a mutation rate, apparently. The literature is limited but the specific strain for COVID-19 has multiple mechanisms to check replicated RNA so it's pretty accurate when it multiplies.

gotta laugh at this topic

jetcash. if you want to be ignorant and wanna just go to morrisons/mcdonalds cafe's to use your internet fine.
if you done some real math. you would see that there are risks


the reality is that out of ~100 people
50 if they stay at safe distance to low dose viral load will have no symptoms
30 will have mild symptoms(just a cough and slightly warm, nothing too bad)
10 will have more acute symptoms(restless night and coughing/sweating extremes)
10 will need hospital care

the issue is if in a population of say 100k town. they will only have 200 special care beds (0.2% average)
so if there are over 1000 people a week. meaning 100 a week needing hospital beds for 2 weeks. (200)
thats just too much for hospitals to handle

yes if people were to group together and lick each others faces and dryhump and really inhale high viral loads from each other
it would be more like
10 no symptoms
30 mild
40 acute
20 hospital
meaning only 500 a week would become a problem due to it translating to the 100 in hospital

so how about offering advice for people to learn personal space respect.

another way to view it is
imagine streets are filled with graffiti artists with spray paints
if you stand right infront of them only a metre away your at high risk of getting face covered in paint.
but if you stand at 2 metres away less paint can get on you.
wear a n95mask and you should be good. wear a cloth mask. we better then nothing but expect to get some paint

its called common sense.

Apparently, such is the nature of disasters, even when it is courses by nature itself. Though, the real source of this pandemic covid19 is still unknown, it still carries the both side to a coin. The side that brings suffering and the side that enrich the industrious and the authorities. At least, a new product is now rampant and common in the market (the face mask) amongst others, surgical gloves, hand sanitizers and others.
Again some figure head of authorities and unions/bodies still would instigate a plot to make the most and I don't blame them for is the nature of disasters. Where it becomes apparently important is what counts and where.
In this case, what counts is the people, the masses that suffers from this pandemic. We have to face this challenge before us as  individuals because, despite how careful we could be and immune some of us are, their is a chance of being cought up in this complications. After all, all that is to be know about the virus is not yet known.
Stay safe!

and what if the virus mutates?

There's the issue of disappearing immunity. I read an article recently about the possibility of someone contacting covid-19 twice while this is not very popular and majority of people would develop antibodies to the virus, there are still quite a number of unknowns about how the patient's body responds after recovery, some reports also suggests that the antibodies developed by asymptomatic patients wanes after a while and hence they become susceptible to another infection.
The research on the virus is limited and no conclusions can be drawn as yet.

I think world is moving towards herd immunity as virus has infected almost the majority of people by now it is just that most of the people were asymptomatic and some got mild sick while percentage of serious or hospitalized people is very very small so untill this immunity maintains we are safe but we do not know for how long.

The numbers of confirmed cases of the corona virus are sky rocketing around the world, and the count of "cured" cases is over 50% of the infections. Given that there is a delay of many days between the "cure" and the reported infection, the real percentage must be much higher, probably over 70%. If you factor in the number of people who were infected, but didn't have any real symptoms before they were "cured". Then the real figure could well be over the 85% that were predicted to be able to overcome the virus via their own immune system. None of these people will require a vaccination, and one can sense the desperation in the pharmaceutical industry as they see this cash cow vanishing before they can push another poisonous vaccination onto us.

All of their attempts to stop the spread of the virus are aimed at avoiding the exponential increase in natural immunity, as there is obviously no profit in this. I gather there are now six strains of the virus, and some virologists are saying that we will have to accept it as part of future life in the same way as we accept the 'flu virus. They haven't managed to find a vaccine for the rhino virus, and that seems to be much simpler than the corona virus. We have lived with the corona virus for decades, and it will no doubt stay with us for many more.