Topic: Navi 21 next generation of rdna better to mine than current navi cards? (Read 1908 times)

Quote from: badbart on May 04, 2020, 02:37:54 PM

I really like the 5700s but 90% of my gpus are 3 years old. It would be nice if performance was twice as fast as the 5700s, but I would want to see how they preform on other algos. Eth is great but for a large investment I would need more then one algo.

It is funny you say 5700s as you own one correct? After seeing others doing the xt bios modification.
I just noticed even though you are able to bios mod the 5700 cards to xt clocks it does not affect the hashrates at all. Undecided

I have 18 rx 5700s and 5700s XTs and haven't tried bios modding any of them. I think you can get a little more hash rate but I don't want the possibility of unstable rigs. i'm getting 51-52 MH/s around 110 -120 watts and they can get 1.1h/s on G31.

18 each of rx 5700 and 5700 XT?

I'm planning on getting 18 pcs of 5700 of non-XT too, based on brand what is the best for you? is it true Powercolor is the 2nd best next to Sapphire.

Since that post i have about 30 now and bios modded some. The blower cards are the best card they run cool and have very cool memory temps and consume less power but I don' think they make then anymore. I buy open box what ever they have and I can't tell a difference between brands.

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Quote from: rdbase on September 14, 2020, 09:26:57 AM

I really like the 5700s but 90% of my gpus are 3 years old. It would be nice if performance was twice as fast as the 5700s, but I would want to see how they preform on other algos. Eth is great but for a large investment I would need more then one algo.

It is funny you say 5700s as you own one correct? After seeing others doing the xt bios modification.
I just noticed even though you are able to bios mod the 5700 cards to xt clocks it does not affect the hashrates at all. Undecided

I have 18 rx 5700s and 5700s XTs and haven't tried bios modding any of them. I think you can get a little more hash rate but I don't want the possibility of unstable rigs. i'm getting 51-52 MH/s around 110 -120 watts and they can get 1.1h/s on G31.

18 each of rx 5700 and 5700 XT?

I'm planning on getting 18 pcs of 5700 of non-XT too, based on brand what is the best for you? is it true Powercolor is the 2nd best next to Sapphire.

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^^
I am imagining the same scenario the way this is going to play out for this generation of cards being released by each manufacturer of their camps.
With Radeon VII(since discounted) having the HBM memory they will need to pony up the next evolution of this chipset to even compare to the ampere at this point.

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Just checked the tech spec sheet on navi 21 the next amd iteration of their rx6000 lineup and it states it will have 12gb of ram onboard.
Yet this leak has 16gb labelled on the card itself. So this might be the testing for the next navi they could be releasing after 3090rtx is dropped after September 24th potential release date?
Or could be just like what nvidia is doing with the 3000 line releasing 3080 with 10gb and 3090 24gb.

yup. maybe the "12gb is gddr6" and the "16gb is gddr6 with cache".......no hbm2e yet.

high chance amd cards will under perform nvidia, and will try to compete with pricing.

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Just checked the tech spec sheet on navi 21 the next amd iteration of their rx6000 lineup and it states it will have 12gb of ram onboard.
Yet this leak has 16gb labelled on the card itself. So this might be the testing for the next navi they could be releasing after 3090rtx is dropped after September 24th potential release date?
Or could be just like what nvidia is doing with the 3000 line releasing 3080 with 10gb and 3090 24gb.

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cons: gddr6

3090/3080 is gddr6x -double bandwidth

if amd uses hbm2e it will contend with 3080/3090, which seems to be not the case.

there is also word out there that amd will use a fast "cache" to supplement that gddr6-will it perform close to gddr6x? we'll see in the very near future.

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Excellent video released today regarding the different tiers of AIB involved with graphic card processing.
Also a leaked pic from a chinese tester of Navi 21 with a potential 16gb of gddr6 ram onboard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR70xbcwB6U

Now I am beginning to have my doubts this release by AMD sometime in October will contend with rtx3090 from Nvidia being released later in the month.

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Quote from: alucard20724 on September 10, 2020, 08:17:35 AM

Quote from: rdbase on September 10, 2020, 08:11:16 AM

Big Navi announced to drop tomorrow according to a tweet from one of the AMD devs it seems.
https://wccftech.com/amd-big-navi-rdna-2-gpu-powered-radeon-rx-6000-series-unveil-tomorrow

That article was two days ago.. that news was out yesterday.

According to youtube it was less than a day ago which they had leaked information about the 6900 series performance for AMD where they will be releasing it October 28th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1JUNBAXusA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw43n0Hv8rY
But release dates always change and I would assume they will bump it closer if the RTX launch from Nvidia on the 17th of this month is going to blow their new offering out of the water.
They will start to get scared the closer this launch date is from Nvidia. Embarrassed

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Quote from: rdbase on September 10, 2020, 08:11:16 AM

Big Navi announced to drop tomorrow according to a tweet from one of the AMD devs it seems.
https://wccftech.com/amd-big-navi-rdna-2-gpu-powered-radeon-rx-6000-series-unveil-tomorrow

That article was two days ago.. that news was out yesterday.

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Big Navi announced to drop tomorrow according to a tweet from one of the AMD devs it seems.
https://wccftech.com/amd-big-navi-rdna-2-gpu-powered-radeon-rx-6000-series-unveil-tomorrow

They are wanting to get a leg up on Nvidia with their release of the 3000rtx series which was announced to be available by the 17th of this month.
But retailers are already showing AIB versions available to purchase on their websites in Germany and China.

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Quote from: badbart on June 05, 2020, 01:06:27 PM

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Quote from: rdluffy on June 05, 2020, 08:48:09 AM

My RX 5700 XTs are getting 24.8 on RVN with team red miner, that is 2080 territory very impressive.

How can you achieve this hashrate?
I tested here and max I get is 20.4 with team red miner, but with a very high power, with the same card (5700xt Gigabyte OC Gaming) I do 54.5mhs on ETH 120watts on the wall

I'm running SIMPLE OS with 1400 core, 885 mem and 812mv. They use around 131 watts

https://ibb.co/Dky6vJ9

Thanks, I tried here but only 22.7 Mhs here with same settings, but I mining in Windows 10
I did not modified the bios, only used More Power Tools to decrease the mv

For me it's more profitable to mine ETH, even more because it uses less power, but I'll try to tweak more, to achieve at least 24mhs

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My RX 5700 XTs are getting 24.8 on RVN with team red miner, that is 2080 territory very impressive.

How can you achieve this hashrate?
I tested here and max I get is 20.4 with team red miner, but with a very high power, with the same card (5700xt Gigabyte OC Gaming) I do 54.5mhs on ETH 120watts on the wall

I'm running SIMPLE OS with 1400 core, 885 mem and 812mv. They use around 131 watts

https://ibb.co/Dky6vJ9

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I can tell you the difference won't be that much, the only thing I'm expecting is better power efficiency from the RDNA 2 Next GPU class, AMD did a worse job on Radeon VII when I put it head to head with my Vega 64 GPU, I expected a marginal better hashrate but was disappointed

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My RX 5700 XTs are getting 24.8 on RVN with team red miner, that is 2080 territory very impressive.

With that hashrate on rvn why mining eth? rvn with that hasrate is much more profitable.

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Quote from: badbart on May 04, 2020, 03:50:48 PM

My RX 5700 XTs are getting 24.8 on RVN with team red miner, that is 2080 territory very impressive.

How can you achieve this hashrate?
I tested here and max I get is 20.4 with team red miner, but with a very high power, with the same card (5700xt Gigabyte OC Gaming) I do 54.5mhs on ETH 120watts on the wall

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My RX 5700 XTs are getting 24.8 on RVN with team red miner, that is 2080 territory very impressive.

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There is a new tool someone created to tweak the power settings on Polaris. Navi 10 and 14 cards. It works in linux!

https://github.com/patrickschur/atitool

https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/gv8f4x/atitool_the_swiss_army_knife_of_amd_gpu_tools/

Still havent received any 5700xt cards to test this on but if you do then post your results below on how much of a decrease in power draw and increase in hashrate you received using this.
Remember to also include make and model of your cards.

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It does seem the new ravencoin fork does mine better on amd cards as well.
I was tuning into a stream during the exact time they switched over to the new algorithm and radeon vii were getting 32MH/s-40MH/s while 5700xt were doing 17MH/s being posted on the stream.
But those numbers were just when the fork was done so they will most certainly drop.
Just remember ravncoin will get a different hashrate then ethash. It is the progpow algorithm which will increase the power needed from each card. Undecided

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Quote from: ZeeeN on May 04, 2020, 03:23:14 PM

maybe not leap forward in mining

rdna2 focus on hardware raytracing.

Might make the current cards cheaper if they are not a big leap for mining.

yes current cards is cheaper i read about rdna2 amd focus on raytracing and power consume.

card maybe faster around 20% with lower power consume amd focus this card in console gamer.

leap forward for mining maybe nvidia rtx 30xx series last news 3060 is faster than 2080 and can beat 2080ti

3060 have more RTX-OPS but we need to wait and see.

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So the 5700 (non-bios modded to XT) does the same hashrates as the 5700XT?
I see XL besides the regular 5700 thats why I ask.
Can you say which models they are? Powercolor has two versions like red devils and AMD doesnt say which brand they are.
Just curious about the memory types they have either micron or samsung, etc.

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Here are the hash rates and power usage. I can probably squeeze a little more hash rate out but these are very stable and run weeks on end with no reboots.

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Quote from: badbart on May 04, 2020, 02:37:54 PM

Quote from: ZeeeN on May 04, 2020, 03:23:14 PM

I really like the 5700s but 90% of my gpus are 3 years old. It would be nice if performance was twice as fast as the 5700s, but I would want to see how they preform on other algos. Eth is great but for a large investment I would need more then one algo.

It is funny you say 5700s as you own one correct? After seeing others doing the xt bios modification.
I just noticed even though you are able to bios mod the 5700 cards to xt clocks it does not affect the hashrates at all. Undecided

I have 18 rx 5700s and 5700s XTs and haven't tried bios modding any of them. I think you can get a little more hash rate but I don't want the possibility of unstable rigs. i'm getting 51-52 MH/s around 110 -120 watts and they can get 1.1h/s on G31.

I was checking the hashrates on the rx 5700 (non-bios modded to xt) and they can get 52 mh/s. But since the 5700 xt draws more power they should get higher. Can you confirm how much of a difference in hash rates you get with the 5700 cards (since I am assuming they are all the same brand and the same memory manufactuer) versus the 5700 xt?
Which brand do you have of the 5700xt card? As I mentioned in the first post the sapphire 5700xt special editions have power boosted clocks.

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maybe not leap forward in mining

rdna2 focus on hardware raytracing.

Might make the current cards cheaper if they are not a big leap for mining.

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maybe not leap forward in mining

rdna2 focus on hardware raytracing.

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I really like the 5700s but 90% of my gpus are 3 years old. It would be nice if performance was twice as fast as the 5700s, but I would want to see how they preform on other algos. Eth is great but for a large investment I would need more then one algo.

It is funny you say 5700s as you own one correct? After seeing others doing the xt bios modification.
I just noticed even though you are able to bios mod the 5700 cards to xt clocks it does not affect the hashrates at all. Undecided

I have 18 rx 5700s and 5700s XTs and haven't tried bios modding any of them. I think you can get a little more hash rate but I don't want the possibility of unstable rigs. i'm getting 51-52 MH/s around 110 -120 watts and they can get 1.1h/s on G31.

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