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Topic: Need 70K USD loan with BTC as collateral (Read 1454 times)

sr. member
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July 15, 2017, 10:43:53 AM
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I don't think newbies should be restricted from posting on this area just because this troll decided to ask for a $70,000 loan. (lmao!)

Of course Newbie posts are going to be lowest quality on average, but I am quite sure 99% of them will not be useless and/or scams like this one. Generally, newbies should be posting in the "Beginners/Help" section, obviously.

They should be restricted because 99% (if not more) of newbies who post in the lending section come without collateral or with invalid collateral. Its not just with OP, but with many others as well. Especially since 98% of them dont read stickies before posting, then abandon their account when they get a negative trust. I feel that they should atleast be a jr. member or higher before posting in the lending section. Thats my opinion anyway, but we all know it probably wont happen.
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Sign a message with the address that has $100k worth of bitcoin.

You have been provided a way to sign the from the account you claimed to have 100k worth of btc and if you cannot do the bolded part then you have just confirmed my earlier statement that newbies like you should not be restricted from posting on certain parts of the forum like this.

I don't think newbies should be restricted from posting on this area just because this troll decided to ask for a $70,000 loan. (lmao!)

Of course Newbie posts are going to be lowest quality on average, but I am quite sure 99% of them will not be useless and/or scams like this one. Generally, newbies should be posting in the "Beginners/Help" section, obviously.
copper member
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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
You are a fool for asking for 70K on a bitcoin forum.  My guess you are just a troll using an alt to have fun seeing how people respond. 
I guess the only situation to getting this kind of thing is either the forum restricts newbies from creating a thread in this part of the forum or anyone who opens a thread where a newbie asks for a loan, should just ignore without even uttering anything and by the time we do that, all this might reduce because a newbie knows for sure that he is just trolling and is not anywhere close to receiving any loan.

It is a terrible assumption to think that every new member to the Forum is Troll. The reason I am looking for the loan, is if I sell I have to pay capital gains tax in US. I am long term bullish on Bitcoin and do not want to sell them and create a bigger tax bill for me. I will be happy to borrow in Fiat and hoard my BTC anyday. Hope that helps to clarify my post.

Roughly Right

FACTS not assumptions: U R A TROLL; U HAVE 0 BTC; This is just another ALT giving the forum shits n giggles

Your ENTIRE posts are just bullshit capital gains LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

GTFO and go play with your Monopoly money

But thanks for the entertainment  Grin


I tried to sign the message from Coinbase, but since coinbase changes the Public key regularly, it is not possible for me to sign so that others can validate my balance. If anyone still doubts me, I have taken a screenshot and just removed my name on the top right hand corner.

Here is the link to my Coinbase account screenshot:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw5Ltg6CklBydnZoaHE5MlI0LWc


Anyone still have doubts?

Roughly Right

1. Not to be pedantic, but that's $90k not $100k.
2. Also, I'm not sure how you'd sign a message on the new Coinbase, that might be restricted now as the setting is not where it used to be. (there is no advanced)



1. I have other Bitcoin accounts. All of it is not at Coinbase
2. I have already tried to use the sign function from Coinbase based on the documentation. It does not work for me. I created a support ticket for coinbase.

Ahhh, can you sign any of those other stores or you'll just have to wait for the ticket to be filled. (You may still struggle to find a lender who will happily lend you 70k though).
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@QS I don't deny you are intelligent and sometimes make good points.  With that said, I'm very familiar with IRS, but, there are things I won't/can't point out as to why this entire thread/request is BS.
It is possible the thread is BS, but I would not assume that it is.

I don't think the OP is offering attractive loan terms, so I would not personally be interested in dealing with him, however anyone that disagrees with this statement can negotiate terms with the OP, and there should be no harm in doing so.

No one should take any action until all terms have been agreed upon and the escrow has been funded.

I have seen the OP's type of loan request many times in the past, but publicly and privately, however the interest rate being offered has never been sufficient to satisfy the high interest rate/high return expectations of the bitcoin-sphere. 
sr. member
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Don't follow the herd~make your own path
What happens if the value of the BTC declines below 70k? What range of time do you intend on having the loan due in? You state you are interested in an interest rate in the 6-7% range, is this per year (most likely), per month, per day (obviously no), etc?

I will be happy to post new collateral into the Escrow account, if the BTC value declines below 70K. I am looking for a 2 year term-loan, with a annual interest rate between 6-7% range. Please PM me if you have any other questions.
Just an FYI, the current market lending rate for USD is roughly 0.04% per day on Bitfinex, and after they take their fee, this works out to 0.034% per day. This works out to be ~12.4% per year, and a lender's USD would not be tied up for 2 years. Granted, it is possible that lending rates may decline from current levels in the future, so a lender may not be able to get this high of an interest rate for two years. It is also possible that a potential lender may feel more comfortable lending out USD with a specific escrow agent rather than an exchange such as Bitfinex.

Another key point is that if USD was lent out on Bitfinex (or another exchange in which customers can lend out USD), the borrower's position would be automatically liquidated once the value of the collateral falls below a certain threshold. This is less risky than the lender potentially having to wait for the borrower to deposit additional collateral. I am not sure how to overcome this issue. 

I don't think the OP's story that he wants to avoid long term capital gains is unreasonable, although I have not seen evidence that he is in fact holding the claimed amount of BTC.

Ok let's pretend this post/request is real, even though it is NOT:

1-Agree it is not unreasonable to want to avoid paying any higher tax than one needs to.

However, in the world of BTC, it is up to the user whether or not they will disclose their gains/loss to their gov't for the appropriate taxes.
Yea that is not true. If you fail to disclose your net capital gains (provided you have net profits) related to bitcoin, then you will face serious consequences, including garnishing of assets, penalties, and interest payable to the IRS as per current statute and possible jail time, among other things. Further, a $100k sale is likely going to be difficult to hide from the IRS and various financial reports by various financial institutions would likely make it easy for the IRS to spot the lack of reporting of this sale. Further, the OP is offering 7% (per year) for two years, or a total of ~$9,800 in interest over two years, and he presumably would owe significantly more than that much in taxes if he simply sold his BTC -- the penalties and interest resulting from the failure of reporting income amounting to ~$10k in taxes would be substantial.

Coinbase in it's current struggle to decline giving up records I guess I should say specifically, for 2013-2015.  And now it's current struggle of just the accounts of over 20K.
The amount in question for the OP is over $20k, so I am not sure why you are stating this. If the OP were to sell $100k worth of bitcoin and withdraw to his bank account, the IRS could audit him, and fairly easily figure out how much he earned via capital gains without even issuing a subpoena to coinbase for the OP's specific account (which it could easily issue, and coinbase would comply with if it was for a single account and valid). 




OP - If your BTC is being held by coinbase then signing a message would be pointless because coinbase will only (possibly) allow you to sign your deposit addresses, not the addresses where your BTC is being held -- your BTC is actually being commingled with the BTC of other coinbase customers. If you want to prove ownership of $100k worth of BTC via a signed message, then you will need to withdraw your BTC to an address whose private keys you control and sign a message -- if you do this and your computer has malware (among other potential attack vectors), then your BTC could get stolen, or if you do this, do not have sufficient backups of your private keys, and your computer crashes, then you may lose access to your BTC.....doing this has risks that are different than leaving your BTC on an exchange (both carry significant risks), however you will ultimately need to do this if someone takes you up on your offer.

I am also not sure if the BTC you claim to have in your screenshot is all the BTC you currently own, however if so, then you may end up having that BTC sold on your behalf if the BTCUSD prices declines too much (which IMO is likely in the coming month), which may effectively cause you to both effectively sell BTC at a lower price than you could have today and potentially trigger capital gains taxes, both depending on your specific situation and the terms you and the lender agree to.

@QS I don't deny you are intelligent and sometimes make good points.  With that said, I'm very familiar with IRS, but, there are things I won't/can't point out as to why this entire thread/request is BS.
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What happens if the value of the BTC declines below 70k? What range of time do you intend on having the loan due in? You state you are interested in an interest rate in the 6-7% range, is this per year (most likely), per month, per day (obviously no), etc?

I will be happy to post new collateral into the Escrow account, if the BTC value declines below 70K. I am looking for a 2 year term-loan, with a annual interest rate between 6-7% range. Please PM me if you have any other questions.
Just an FYI, the current market lending rate for USD is roughly 0.04% per day on Bitfinex, and after they take their fee, this works out to 0.034% per day. This works out to be ~12.4% per year, and a lender's USD would not be tied up for 2 years. Granted, it is possible that lending rates may decline from current levels in the future, so a lender may not be able to get this high of an interest rate for two years. It is also possible that a potential lender may feel more comfortable lending out USD with a specific escrow agent rather than an exchange such as Bitfinex.

Another key point is that if USD was lent out on Bitfinex (or another exchange in which customers can lend out USD), the borrower's position would be automatically liquidated once the value of the collateral falls below a certain threshold. This is less risky than the lender potentially having to wait for the borrower to deposit additional collateral. I am not sure how to overcome this issue. 

I don't think the OP's story that he wants to avoid long term capital gains is unreasonable, although I have not seen evidence that he is in fact holding the claimed amount of BTC.

Ok let's pretend this post/request is real, even though it is NOT:

1-Agree it is not unreasonable to want to avoid paying any higher tax than one needs to.

However, in the world of BTC, it is up to the user whether or not they will disclose their gains/loss to their gov't for the appropriate taxes.
Yea that is not true. If you fail to disclose your net capital gains (provided you have net profits) related to bitcoin, then you will face serious consequences, including garnishing of assets, penalties, and interest payable to the IRS as per current statute and possible jail time, among other things. Further, a $100k sale is likely going to be difficult to hide from the IRS and various financial reports by various financial institutions would likely make it easy for the IRS to spot the lack of reporting of this sale. Further, the OP is offering 7% (per year) for two years, or a total of ~$9,800 in interest over two years, and he presumably would owe significantly more than that much in taxes if he simply sold his BTC -- the penalties and interest resulting from the failure of reporting income amounting to ~$10k in taxes would be substantial.

Coinbase in it's current struggle to decline giving up records I guess I should say specifically, for 2013-2015.  And now it's current struggle of just the accounts of over 20K.
The amount in question for the OP is over $20k, so I am not sure why you are stating this. If the OP were to sell $100k worth of bitcoin and withdraw to his bank account, the IRS could audit him, and fairly easily figure out how much he earned via capital gains without even issuing a subpoena to coinbase for the OP's specific account (which it could easily issue, and coinbase would comply with if it was for a single account and valid). 




OP - If your BTC is being held by coinbase then signing a message would be pointless because coinbase will only (possibly) allow you to sign your deposit addresses, not the addresses where your BTC is being held -- your BTC is actually being commingled with the BTC of other coinbase customers. If you want to prove ownership of $100k worth of BTC via a signed message, then you will need to withdraw your BTC to an address whose private keys you control and sign a message -- if you do this and your computer has malware (among other potential attack vectors), then your BTC could get stolen, or if you do this, do not have sufficient backups of your private keys, and your computer crashes, then you may lose access to your BTC.....doing this has risks that are different than leaving your BTC on an exchange (both carry significant risks), however you will ultimately need to do this if someone takes you up on your offer.

I am also not sure if the BTC you claim to have in your screenshot is all the BTC you currently own, however if so, then you may end up having that BTC sold on your behalf if the BTCUSD prices declines too much (which IMO is likely in the coming month), which may effectively cause you to both effectively sell BTC at a lower price than you could have today and potentially trigger capital gains taxes, both depending on your specific situation and the terms you and the lender agree to.
newbie
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You are a fool for asking for 70K on a bitcoin forum.  My guess you are just a troll using an alt to have fun seeing how people respond. 
I guess the only situation to getting this kind of thing is either the forum restricts newbies from creating a thread in this part of the forum or anyone who opens a thread where a newbie asks for a loan, should just ignore without even uttering anything and by the time we do that, all this might reduce because a newbie knows for sure that he is just trolling and is not anywhere close to receiving any loan.

It is a terrible assumption to think that every new member to the Forum is Troll. The reason I am looking for the loan, is if I sell I have to pay capital gains tax in US. I am long term bullish on Bitcoin and do not want to sell them and create a bigger tax bill for me. I will be happy to borrow in Fiat and hoard my BTC anyday. Hope that helps to clarify my post.

Roughly Right

FACTS not assumptions: U R A TROLL; U HAVE 0 BTC; This is just another ALT giving the forum shits n giggles

Your ENTIRE posts are just bullshit capital gains LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

GTFO and go play with your Monopoly money

But thanks for the entertainment  Grin


I tried to sign the message from Coinbase, but since coinbase changes the Public key regularly, it is not possible for me to sign so that others can validate my balance. If anyone still doubts me, I have taken a screenshot and just removed my name on the top right hand corner.

Here is the link to my Coinbase account screenshot:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw5Ltg6CklBydnZoaHE5MlI0LWc


Anyone still have doubts?

Roughly Right

1. Not to be pedantic, but that's $90k not $100k.
2. Also, I'm not sure how you'd sign a message on the new Coinbase, that might be restricted now as the setting is not where it used to be. (there is no advanced)



1. I have other Bitcoin accounts. All of it is not at Coinbase
2. I have already tried to use the sign function from Coinbase based on the documentation. It does not work for me. I created a support ticket for coinbase.
copper member
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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
You are a fool for asking for 70K on a bitcoin forum.  My guess you are just a troll using an alt to have fun seeing how people respond. 
I guess the only situation to getting this kind of thing is either the forum restricts newbies from creating a thread in this part of the forum or anyone who opens a thread where a newbie asks for a loan, should just ignore without even uttering anything and by the time we do that, all this might reduce because a newbie knows for sure that he is just trolling and is not anywhere close to receiving any loan.

It is a terrible assumption to think that every new member to the Forum is Troll. The reason I am looking for the loan, is if I sell I have to pay capital gains tax in US. I am long term bullish on Bitcoin and do not want to sell them and create a bigger tax bill for me. I will be happy to borrow in Fiat and hoard my BTC anyday. Hope that helps to clarify my post.

Roughly Right

FACTS not assumptions: U R A TROLL; U HAVE 0 BTC; This is just another ALT giving the forum shits n giggles

Your ENTIRE posts are just bullshit capital gains LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

GTFO and go play with your Monopoly money

But thanks for the entertainment  Grin


I tried to sign the message from Coinbase, but since coinbase changes the Public key regularly, it is not possible for me to sign so that others can validate my balance. If anyone still doubts me, I have taken a screenshot and just removed my name on the top right hand corner.

Here is the link to my Coinbase account screenshot:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw5Ltg6CklBydnZoaHE5MlI0LWc


Anyone still have doubts?

Roughly Right

1. Not to be pedantic, but that's $90k not $100k.
2. Also, I'm not sure how you'd sign a message on the new Coinbase, that might be restricted now as the setting is not where it used to be. (there is no advanced)

EDIT: AHA, to sign the address the $80k in bitcoins were sent to:
1. Click the "Tools" Tab at the top
2. Select "Addresses" from the tab below that
3. Click "details" on the address that the $80k in bitcoin was sent to and click the "sign message" link at the bottom.
Then paste the address, message and signature here for us to validate and confirm.
newbie
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You are a fool for asking for 70K on a bitcoin forum.  My guess you are just a troll using an alt to have fun seeing how people respond. 
I guess the only situation to getting this kind of thing is either the forum restricts newbies from creating a thread in this part of the forum or anyone who opens a thread where a newbie asks for a loan, should just ignore without even uttering anything and by the time we do that, all this might reduce because a newbie knows for sure that he is just trolling and is not anywhere close to receiving any loan.

It is a terrible assumption to think that every new member to the Forum is Troll. The reason I am looking for the loan, is if I sell I have to pay capital gains tax in US. I am long term bullish on Bitcoin and do not want to sell them and create a bigger tax bill for me. I will be happy to borrow in Fiat and hoard my BTC anyday. Hope that helps to clarify my post.

Roughly Right

FACTS not assumptions: U R A TROLL; U HAVE 0 BTC; This is just another ALT giving the forum shits n giggles

Your ENTIRE posts are just bullshit capital gains LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

GTFO and go play with your Monopoly money

But thanks for the entertainment  Grin


I tried to sign the message from Coinbase, but since coinbase changes the Public key regularly, it is not possible for me to sign so that others can validate my balance. If anyone still doubts me, I have taken a screenshot and just removed my name on the top right hand corner.

Here is the link to my Coinbase account screenshot:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw5Ltg6CklBydnZoaHE5MlI0LWc


Anyone still have doubts?

Roughly Right


sr. member
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Don't follow the herd~make your own path
What happens if the value of the BTC declines below 70k? What range of time do you intend on having the loan due in? You state you are interested in an interest rate in the 6-7% range, is this per year (most likely), per month, per day (obviously no), etc?

I will be happy to post new collateral into the Escrow account, if the BTC value declines below 70K. I am looking for a 2 year term-loan, with a annual interest rate between 6-7% range. Please PM me if you have any other questions.
Just an FYI, the current market lending rate for USD is roughly 0.04% per day on Bitfinex, and after they take their fee, this works out to 0.034% per day. This works out to be ~12.4% per year, and a lender's USD would not be tied up for 2 years. Granted, it is possible that lending rates may decline from current levels in the future, so a lender may not be able to get this high of an interest rate for two years. It is also possible that a potential lender may feel more comfortable lending out USD with a specific escrow agent rather than an exchange such as Bitfinex.

Another key point is that if USD was lent out on Bitfinex (or another exchange in which customers can lend out USD), the borrower's position would be automatically liquidated once the value of the collateral falls below a certain threshold. This is less risky than the lender potentially having to wait for the borrower to deposit additional collateral. I am not sure how to overcome this issue. 

I don't think the OP's story that he wants to avoid long term capital gains is unreasonable, although I have not seen evidence that he is in fact holding the claimed amount of BTC.

Ok let's pretend this post/request is real, even though it is NOT:

1-Agree it is not unreasonable to want to avoid paying any higher tax than one needs to.

However, in the world of BTC, it is up to the user whether or not they will disclose their gains/loss to their gov't for the appropriate taxes. 

Coinbase in it's current struggle to decline giving up records I guess I should say specifically, for 2013-2015.  And now it's current struggle of just the accounts of over 20K.

Your posting as if this is "real" leads me to wonder, is this your ALT? Or just the shits n giggles of those who need some attention?

The post on it's face is obvious bullshit.  Give someone with 70/80/100K even hell 5K a little bit more benefit to A-not straight come to a forum claiming/ seeking such as this post; B, the "business is in Bitcoin" so you have 100K in Bitcoin yet want to get Fiat to get into Bitcoin? lol come on man come on and lastly C, you got this "100KBitcoin" and don't know about message signing? looooool ahhhhhh I'm done just pissed myself laughing

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https://bit.ly/387FXHi lightning theory
Before going any further, would you mind posting a message signed by the address holding the $100k worth of BTC ?

You replied to everyone else, like a troll hidden behind a bush, but when you are given an opportunity to prove your words and show us you are really serious about the business, you just ignored it.
Meh ...

The reason I am looking for the loan, is if I sell I have to pay capital gains tax in US. I am long term bullish on Bitcoin and do not want to sell them
^^^^^^^^^
Show us you have them by posting a message identifying you as the address owner, and signed by the said address. Nobody will consider dealing with you without that.


Sure. I hear you. I hold my coins at Coinbase. Coinbase does not give out Account statements. What proof you need from Coinbase?

You might want to take that amount of money out of coinbase.
I wouldn't say I'd trust it enough to store $100k in BTC for me.
legendary
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Although I don't buy his story, then let's see if OP can signed a message.

Sometimes Coinbase sign message is not working. Refer on this thread on other way to sign message on Coinbase.
hero member
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Sign a message with the address that has $100k worth of bitcoin.

You have been provided a way to sign the from the account you claimed to have 100k worth of btc and if you cannot do the bolded part then you have just confirmed my earlier statement that newbies like you should not be restricted from posting on certain parts of the forum like this.
sr. member
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Before going any further, would you mind posting a message signed by the address holding the $100k worth of BTC ?

You replied to everyone else, like a troll hidden behind a bush, but when you are given an opportunity to prove your words and show us you are really serious about the business, you just ignored it.
Meh ...

The reason I am looking for the loan, is if I sell I have to pay capital gains tax in US. I am long term bullish on Bitcoin and do not want to sell them
^^^^^^^^^
Show us you have them by posting a message identifying you as the address owner, and signed by the said address. Nobody will consider dealing with you without that.


Sure. I hear you. I hold my coins at Coinbase. Coinbase does not give out Account statements. What proof you need from Coinbase?

Sign a message with the address that has $100k worth of bitcoin.
legendary
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Coinbase allows you to sign messages to prove ownership of a certain address. https://support.coinbase.com/customer/portal/articles/1526413

Obviously, this will only hold value when the address you are signing from has really the $100K coin worth as balance. If you can't sign from any addresses that contain these coins you're talking about, it simply doesn't exist.
newbie
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Before going any further, would you mind posting a message signed by the address holding the $100k worth of BTC ?

You replied to everyone else, like a troll hidden behind a bush, but when you are given an opportunity to prove your words and show us you are really serious about the business, you just ignored it.
Meh ...

The reason I am looking for the loan, is if I sell I have to pay capital gains tax in US. I am long term bullish on Bitcoin and do not want to sell them
^^^^^^^^^
Show us you have them by posting a message identifying you as the address owner, and signed by the said address. Nobody will consider dealing with you without that.


Sure. I hear you. I hold my coins at Coinbase. Coinbase does not give out Account statements. What proof you need from Coinbase?
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What happens if the value of the BTC declines below 70k? What range of time do you intend on having the loan due in? You state you are interested in an interest rate in the 6-7% range, is this per year (most likely), per month, per day (obviously no), etc?

I will be happy to post new collateral into the Escrow account, if the BTC value declines below 70K. I am looking for a 2 year term-loan, with a annual interest rate between 6-7% range. Please PM me if you have any other questions.
Just an FYI, the current market lending rate for USD is roughly 0.04% per day on Bitfinex, and after they take their fee, this works out to 0.034% per day. This works out to be ~12.4% per year, and a lender's USD would not be tied up for 2 years. Granted, it is possible that lending rates may decline from current levels in the future, so a lender may not be able to get this high of an interest rate for two years. It is also possible that a potential lender may feel more comfortable lending out USD with a specific escrow agent rather than an exchange such as Bitfinex.

Another key point is that if USD was lent out on Bitfinex (or another exchange in which customers can lend out USD), the borrower's position would be automatically liquidated once the value of the collateral falls below a certain threshold. This is less risky than the lender potentially having to wait for the borrower to deposit additional collateral. I am not sure how to overcome this issue. 

I don't think the OP's story that he wants to avoid long term capital gains is unreasonable, although I have not seen evidence that he is in fact holding the claimed amount of BTC.
sr. member
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Don't follow the herd~make your own path
You are a fool for asking for 70K on a bitcoin forum.  My guess you are just a troll using an alt to have fun seeing how people respond. 
I guess the only situation to getting this kind of thing is either the forum restricts newbies from creating a thread in this part of the forum or anyone who opens a thread where a newbie asks for a loan, should just ignore without even uttering anything and by the time we do that, all this might reduce because a newbie knows for sure that he is just trolling and is not anywhere close to receiving any loan.

It is a terrible assumption to think that every new member to the Forum is Troll. The reason I am looking for the loan, is if I sell I have to pay capital gains tax in US. I am long term bullish on Bitcoin and do not want to sell them and create a bigger tax bill for me. I will be happy to borrow in Fiat and hoard my BTC anyday. Hope that helps to clarify my post.

Roughly Right

FACTS not assumptions: U R A TROLL; U HAVE 0 BTC; This is just another ALT giving the forum shits n giggles

Your ENTIRE posts are just bullshit capital gains LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

GTFO and go play with your Monopoly money

But thanks for the entertainment  Grin
sr. member
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I am planning on starting a new business in Bitcoin. I like to put about 100K USD worth of bitcoin as collateral. I currently live in USA.

I like to deposit the BTC at a escrow service and open to Multi-sig wallets to secure the BTC. I prefer to get a interest only loan, if that is possible.

I am looking for interest in the range between 6-7%.

Hi,  If you need 70K fiat exchange that amount of BTC. As you are in USA you can do it easily with a trusted exchange like coinbase and on the plus point you don't have to pay the interest.
legendary
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Before going any further, would you mind posting a message signed by the address holding the $100k worth of BTC ?

You replied to everyone else, like a troll hidden behind a bush, but when you are given an opportunity to prove your words and show us you are really serious about the business, you just ignored it.
Meh ...

The reason I am looking for the loan, is if I sell I have to pay capital gains tax in US. I am long term bullish on Bitcoin and do not want to sell them
^^^^^^^^^
Show us you have them by posting a message identifying you as the address owner, and signed by the said address. Nobody will consider dealing with you without that.
legendary
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I am planning on starting a new business in Bitcoin. I like to put about 100K USD worth of bitcoin as collateral. I currently live in USA.

I like to deposit the BTC at a escrow service and open to Multi-sig wallets to secure the BTC. I prefer to get a interest only loan, if that is possible.

I am looking for interest in the range between 6-7%.

You currently live in US but you don't know to write a one sentence straight in English.
What are you are trying to say here? Roll Eyes

That is weird  Grin Why don't you tell me what is wrong with my sentences, dear Professor?

Oh, you think that is weird?! Check this out.

1. You want to start a new business in BTC. What does that mean? lol For starting it you will put aroung 38BTC as collateral. But you want to start it in BTC...lol2
Don't discuss that you don't live in US! lol3
2. Multi-sig wallets? For "securing" better what, the BTC that the escrow will hold until you repay?! You understand that you will give the collateral and if you fail to repay, the escrow will give it to the lender? You are the borrower, you know the word right? lol4
3. What is the "interest only loan? Huh lol5
4. You are looking for an interest 6% per year for a BTC loan? BOUAHAHAHAHA!!!!
5. Please man, show us and sign the wallet that you have this money, i will die from laughing!!! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
newbie
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You are a fool for asking for 70K on a bitcoin forum.  My guess you are just a troll using an alt to have fun seeing how people respond. 
I guess the only situation to getting this kind of thing is either the forum restricts newbies from creating a thread in this part of the forum or anyone who opens a thread where a newbie asks for a loan, should just ignore without even uttering anything and by the time we do that, all this might reduce because a newbie knows for sure that he is just trolling and is not anywhere close to receiving any loan.

It is a terrible assumption to think that every new member to the Forum is Troll. The reason I am looking for the loan, is if I sell I have to pay capital gains tax in US. I am long term bullish on Bitcoin and do not want to sell them and create a bigger tax bill for me. I will be happy to borrow in Fiat and hoard my BTC anyday. Hope that helps to clarify my post.

Roughly Right
newbie
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What happens if the value of the BTC declines below 70k? What range of time do you intend on having the loan due in? You state you are interested in an interest rate in the 6-7% range, is this per year (most likely), per month, per day (obviously no), etc?

I will be happy to post new collateral into the Escrow account, if the BTC value declines below 70K. I am looking for a 2 year term-loan, with a annual interest rate between 6-7% range. Please PM me if you have any other questions.
newbie
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I am planning on starting a new business in Bitcoin. I like to put about 100K USD worth of bitcoin as collateral. I currently live in USA.

I like to deposit the BTC at a escrow service and open to Multi-sig wallets to secure the BTC. I prefer to get a interest only loan, if that is possible.

I am looking for interest in the range between 6-7%.

You currently live in US but you don't know to write a one sentence straight in English.
What are you are trying to say here? Roll Eyes

That is weird  Grin Why don't you tell me what is wrong with my sentences, dear Professor?
hero member
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You are a fool for asking for 70K on a bitcoin forum.  My guess you are just a troll using an alt to have fun seeing how people respond. 
I guess the only situation to getting this kind of thing is either the forum restricts newbies from creating a thread in this part of the forum or anyone who opens a thread where a newbie asks for a loan, should just ignore without even uttering anything and by the time we do that, all this might reduce because a newbie knows for sure that he is just trolling and is not anywhere close to receiving any loan.
hero member
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You are a fool for asking for 70K on a bitcoin forum.  My guess you are just a troll using an alt to have fun seeing how people respond. 
copper member
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What happens if the value of the BTC declines below 70k? What range of time do you intend on having the loan due in? You state you are interested in an interest rate in the 6-7% range, is this per year (most likely), per month, per day (obviously no), etc?
sr. member
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Before going any further, would you mind posting a message signed by the address holding the $100k worth of BTC ?

+1

Also, if OP could possibly clear up, any reason why you do not want to invest your coins into your business instead of asking for a loan? Could you also state what your business is going to be dealing with, etc?

EDIT: I also did a search on your email in your profile (   [email protected]; https://i.imgur.com/CLthksX.png) and I see places showing you dont live in the US. Also, are you asking for a USD loan with btc being held as collateral?
legendary
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Before going any further, would you mind posting a message signed by the address holding the $100k worth of BTC ?
legendary
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I am planning on starting a new business in Bitcoin. I like to put about 100K USD worth of bitcoin as collateral. I currently live in USA.

I like to deposit the BTC at a escrow service and open to Multi-sig wallets to secure the BTC. I prefer to get a interest only loan, if that is possible.

I am looking for interest in the range between 6-7%.

You currently live in US but you don't know to write a one sentence straight in English.
What are you are trying to say here? Roll Eyes
newbie
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I am planning on starting a new business in Bitcoin. I like to put about 100K USD worth of bitcoin as collateral. I currently live in USA.

I like to deposit the BTC at a escrow service and open to Multi-sig wallets to secure the BTC. I prefer to get a interest only loan, if that is possible.

I am looking for interest in the range between 6-7%.
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