Topic: need a solution for the bad trust points (Read 853 times)

Even in physical groups and associations newly inducted members for the time being can't access loan from the group purse not until he has spend some quality length of time with members and he's well known among everyone both in character and pedigree to an extend before he can be considered to be granted a loan to a limited amount if he so desire. Not to talk of some random dude appearing from only God knows where to request for a loan in a forum of anonymous fellows where reputation is sacrosanct and a determining factor.

What I assume to be the problem with such persons is that they think this forum is some place without any form of organization and seeing a lending board they just want to try their stars to see how lucky they could be ditching any availability lender. Unfortunately for them finding out they are in the wrong boat, off they jump.

This has been seen many times. Someone came across the lending board on Bitcointalk in a Google search and immediately asked for some unrealistic amounts. At the same time offering only his word as a guarantee. For some reason, they have a hard time accepting that they won't get free money and end up blaming forum users. Is it possible that it is a pattern of behaviour and not the same person?
What is the problem in those heads?

In his last post on 12th July 2024, the OP stated he was leaving the dumb platform but he was incompetent enough to lock it. The irony.

Keeping that aside, this is your first post in this thread and it is somewhat shocking you or anybody else would breathe any form of life in to it when it was deservedly sliding down the list. It has not been posted in for around 28 days before you unnecessarily bumped it.

I do not know what was important enough about post number 3 (by Felicity_Tide which was made on 9th June 2024) that made you to quote it on 8th August 2024 but it was unnecessary to bump this thread. Even Felicity_Tide did not bother posting again after that post.

Who cares what a keyboard warrior thinks? Fuck them.. they are no ones outside this forum, trust me. Bitches all of them!  

Everyone know why adult bullies other, because they was bullied as kids and that's not fun I hate bullying, but taking revenge on the internet on innocent people is the weakest thing to do. Sad MF's.

from my own understanding and the way people operate in this community I don't think that it is necessary to give a low rank person that the community have not Known very well alone not what this particular amount because it can decide to go offline in infinity after you have given it the loan so people that what loan is people who is high rank people and the also built a reputation in this community so those people are people that when they asked for loan then nobody should think otherwise and give them loan because they have already viewed the reputation but there is a certain loan request that you are not supposed to grant for them because they might run away with it knowing that there have benefited from this community so any loan that is above 3,000 usdt I don't think is nice to give anyone

To put it even more simply, OP is just another typical forum moron bitching about--from what I can tell--deserved negative trust, and in the process calling attention to himself and thereby just begging our fine forum detectives to go digging into his past.  On top of that, his account has very few posts, no merits, no reputation other than the negative trust, and anyone with half a brain would see that and conclude that a new one should be created.  Unless of course OP fetishizes generic usernames like amazingseller1 that just give away the fact that either the owner is up to no good or is only here to earn money.

All of that negative feedback is so old that I have to wonder why this smegmoron is even making an issue out of it.

Do yourself a favor, OP.  Go away.

You get judged because of your actions. Are you trying to blame us for being extra cautious of scammers like you?

... or maybe we could just say, dumb people deserve "dumb" responses 

You can do that by logging out. Are you too dumb that you need instructions for that too?

How do you stay anonymous, with no collateral and be looking for a loan of over 1.3BTC?
Did you really expect to get that?
You wouldn’t find anyone dumb enough to lend you such here and the tags are only a means to put the word out of an impeding danger waiting to explode.

Your even new here and is barely active even. With your level, you wouldn’t even get $5 worth of BTC.
I don’t know how you get the idea that you could just come in here and get a loan but, you might not find those tags going away.

I don't know how you're doing your thing but as a newbie or should I say since your account is a new one do you expect a loan to be given to you just like that? It doesn't work that way or you have something in mind? Those giving out loan are also protecting their cash since they worked hard for it they can't just hand it over to anybody who comes in to ask for a loan, since scammers and loan defaulters are all over the Forum. Your account came up 2022 and I don't think you have been active enough in the Forum and going for loan request is kind of suspicious to me.

Please don't leave, if you do, we will miss you greatly;
If you leave, the lending section will close because you have been the one sustaining there with your drama;
If you leave how will you market your Ticketmaster account to us;
Also, there are red tags in your accounts, don't leave without getting them removed;
But if you eventually leave, don't think of coming back under a new account if you haven't changed your behaviour, because it will just take a shot time and the new account will be painted also.

bitcointalk to all those geniuses who judge !! looks like your community decreasing a few each time when you respond with these dumb responses !! god I will leave this dumb platform

You don't seem like the kind of person who can realize a mistake anyway because even after receiving warnings from DT members. You still continued requesting for no collateral loans, if it was a genuine mistake. You would have stopped the habit immediately, but you didn't. You deleted some of the posts, but all the archives are here - https://loyce.club/archive/members/352/3523584.html

Your aim here is to just scam members anyway, so your presence in the forum is of no value. I don't think we shall miss you.

No one is forcing you to.   Take care. 

ok mistake !! stupid mistake but that was long time ago , I know my place I know the rules so I don't want o make new account and start from the beginning

he is free to create a new account and return to the forum. and it is hoped that he will gain experience of such annoying persistence.
maybe he will consider what @uchegod-21 said

For me, I think DTs should take it easy and not waste their energy on an account like this. As you said, summarily, the account is still worthless, it cost the guy nothing to open another one pretty fast, so what use is that to the forum if not becomes one of the dumped accounts that litres the forum?

Every new user may not know how it works here, and upon checking the tags as well, I discovered that only a DT has the caption that makes sense, it's the one which includes that the guy was persistent about it. This persistence could be vexing indeed.

I gotta say, I'm really not feeling your whole trust points thing. It's not the end of the world, get over it.

And as for your loan request, let me tell you something. You want a big loan without any collateral? Good luck with that. It's like trying to sell a car without an engine and expecting people to buy it. It's just not gonna happen.

You need to get your act together and come up with some collateral or a co-signer. Or better yet, figure out a way to get the bitcoins yourself without having to beg for a loan.

If everyone sees a stupid post, ignore and move on, it will just take a while and here will be filled by stupid people posting stupid things. There's actually a price for everything;

• Make a quality post, there's  merit price for you.
• Be trustworthy in trades, there'll be a positive feedback for you.
• Make stupid loan requests, there'll be red tag waiting for you.

There's no hard feelings. Garbage in - Garbage out!

What talk down did you receive? If you had paid attention, you'd have seen that @Charlse-Tim gave you a solution before calling you out on your mistake. The way it looked, you were more pissed that your constant loan seeking was labeled as scam and nothing else. No one is above making mistakes but when you open another account (if you do) try to avoid taking loans as a newbie. It's doesn't put you in a good light.

Was it your first and only stupid mistake? No. You've proven yourself a repeat offender, and frankly, there's little reason to believe you won't do it again. Considering your established pattern, the negative trust on your profile is more than justified. Let it serve as a scarlet letter for your future actions.

You can't. You need to start a new account to get a clean history.

I don't know how long you are in this forum but I can give you several specific names which defaulted loan and it was not a myth that their only intention was to build the account to default loan. theyoungmillionaire is one of many examples.

A user that wants to play his games would do it no matter how much time it takes.. all they gotta do is follow due process. I've never felt weird as compared to when I read about users that ruined their reputations for being selfish - the likes of yogg and this userthat was tagged for defaulting a loan. Do you really think they weren't aware of the consequences? As already trusted forum users, why weren't they able to atleast have a dialogue with the lender as to what may have happened ?
If you think they can't stay up for like 2 years just to get away with 1 grand, then you should also have a rethink about account farmers.

This isn't as easy as you say it and it takes a very long time to earn the status of an "established" user on bitcointalk or to achieve some of the things you mentioned. I get it that we have seen a lot of loan defaulters in the forum, but lenders have also learnt from it; and someone who comes into the forum with the intention of doing something like this would prolly never succeed.

Or he will create an account, make friends with members, earn merit point, make a position in the DT system. Will establish himself as a dedicated forum member. Then suddenly he will start asking for loans. He will start from small amounts. Slowly he will increase the stake. Once it will be enough to run away, he will simply scam. Haven't we seen it many times?


I did these foolish things in some occasions too. But some fools will never learn because they will need to show that they are actively joining the feedback system.

The negative feedback on your profile is not there because you made a mistake, they are there to warn others about what kind of person you are. Only an idiot or a troll can ask for a no-collateral loan worth 30btc and in the end, blame legendary members for not understanding the nonsense of a newbie.
You did something stupid thinking that someone would give you 30BTC for free, now you don't have to carry a sign above your head with the inscription "idiot".

I understand you very well. If someone can believe he will get 1.3BTC loan here as a newbie, they can also believe they can pay 1.3BTC to remove their tag. 

Dude, this will only make things worse .. You're completely unaware of how everyone regard newbies looking for a helping hand all of a sudden, with no valid collateral. I can agree that you're actually jobbing/ doing regular business for survival; can you - in your right sense lend out $5000 to someone that speaks to you over the phone for the first time - someone you don't even know how they got your contact? That's a perfect analogy to what happened to you in here....but you know what the difference is? That you can't just be set free - they gotta warn others about you, I mean just Incase...
You dragged more suspicions to yourself by creating those threads/submitting those applications multiple times until people in here thought it were a spam.
So you think anyone would agree to get a collateral that's 3 or 4 times lesser than what they're lending out? How does the collateral thing even work?

The moment he received the first of his tags he must have known that his account could not be used for asking for loans or for joining signature campaigns yet he still posts using it when it serves no purpose. I am fairly certain the OP is not as gullible as he might be giving the impression and I would not be surprised if he already has other accounts.

Finally true reply , thank you so much

Explained right above your post.

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Now I am honestly confused.

On previous post, I can get the hint of satiric response, though I prefer to take it literally due to the possibility that if we amuse the idea to an OP that seemingly very gullible, not clarified and straightened, it poses a risk to cast a wrong impression to the DT system, that he'll led to think that DT and their feedback can be exchanged for some amount of fund; not necessarily 1.3BTC, if OP took this idea and believe it's true, he'll probably "negotiate" a lower number, or leave immediately with an assumption that DT can really be bought. In other word: read the room before you throw the sarcastic retort, mull over how possible is it for gullibles to take your word literally.

And here you're saying that you think for it a for a few times and insist that though it's originally intended to be a sarcastic retort, it still has a point. Thus, you're now being sincere with the suggestion, because with 4 negative feedback, there is no other way for OP [due to the three points you raised, though I'd like to argue that point number 3 is actually still a possible path to take] to get it removed other than paying?

Your words, and if you argue and try to get away with it by saying that you're still being sarcastic, maybe because the implication of what you suggested finally dawned to you, the wording you made, "It's a sarcasm, but after I think it for few times, actually it still has a point" points to a possibility that you believe the idea you offered actually have a merit, further stressed with the closing words that you ask "how", how can OP exactly get his negative feedback removed, other than with the method you suggested.

This is where I circled back to the part where point number 3 is still a possible path. If OP contributes to the forum, it doesn't close to a possibility that the negative feedback will eventually be removed as people begin to trust him. Catching scammers or abusers hint that his post will be made on scam accusations board, the one that runs on evidences. If he can provide undeniable evidence, would you think readers and the DT judge that he isn't genuine?

Another one, as suggested by other, which if I may be honest, I am not really favoring it: create a whole new account. Start fresh, his account basically has nothing to lose, it can be disposed and he can create a new one with more understanding of what he should and should not say, what's the acceptable terms in lending section, and what's frowned by the forum. It's certainly way better than suggesting to pay the DT, an idea that come from your sarcasm and you find rather valid after thinking about it for a few times.

I'll suggest you to drop this topic before you go further down the rabbit hole.

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It came to my mind, as I previously stated, but I can't help but also consider the possible scenario that occur due to the post, which also explained on previous post. And I choose to take the risk of an err, giving it a chance to be clarified, rather than let OP believe DT can be bought.

In retrospect, though, I think the best approach will be to write, "OP, in case you missed it, that suggestion is a sarcasm."

You cannot remove feedbacks on your account, it is the user who put the feedback that can remove it. But in your case, there's no reason why those who left you negative feedbacks would remove it. You'll have to move on that way, and if you ever make a "name" for yourself in the forum (which i doubt), there might be a chance it could be removed or reversed to neutral in the future.

Well that will not happen overnight.

You now have plenty of time to think over what you mistook and how you should have posted your loan application. Be active on this forum and show interest in different sections to learn about bitcoin. As per the last posts, in the last few months, you have not been that active - do you have anything to say?

The only person who can remove a trust rating is the person who gave it to you, good behavior on the forum for a period of time may lead them to consider changing the tag to a neutral one. This varies from each DT member.

Good luck on that, you are going to need it.

LOL.
I'm surprised you didn't pick the sarcasm behind the post. It was same 1.3 BTC Op was requesting for a loan that Helena Yu told him to give the DTs that left him the tag

He very cleverly tried to deflect from his loan request by stating he was testing to see the reaction to his 30 BTC loan request but that seems to be a complete fabrication to me. If there was ever even the slightest chance he was going to get any of the tags removed he had to invent a story for justification and he chose to claim he did not want the money or expect it but just wanted to test hiow members reacted.

True, nobody will lend anything to those types of accounts but it still does not stop them trying.

It's a sarcasm, but after I think it for few times, actually it still has a point.

What do you think for @OP who received 4 negative feedback can convince them to withdraw their feedback? obviously proving if he's not a scammer and want to change to be better person, but:

1. He's high unlikely able to build reputation since many users refrain to meriting red tagged user.
2. Offering service, escrow or become campaign manager, no one gonna hire/work with red tagged user.
3. Showing good act for catching scammer or abuser, many users will judge him isn't genuine.

Now, how?

But the truth is that non of those guys will remove the tag because it is appropriate. I am not sure what your intention was, because scammers will request for a non collateral loan of $50 and if given, they will default, create another account and repeat the process.

In your case you requested for 30BTC, later 1.3BTC and again 0.9BTC. This means you had no fixed target, you were just varying the amount to be able to get an unsuspecting victim.

Someone advised you to make another account. It will be needless if your only intention is to get a loan from this forum.
But then, if you actually want to get a loan, create a new account, build it up to atleast a full member rank, join a good campaign that can pay you upto $40 a week, then you can request for $100 loan.

I didn't expect a normal reply from you guys either , I asked for a loan it was stupid alright !! move on

how I can remove them and never do that mistake again ?!

Well yes, I can sniff a hint of sarcasm, but I think that comment is still out of place, even under the defense of sarcasm. Giving sarcastic retort to a troll is somewhat risk free, worst case scenario will be that troll uses that sarcasm against us. Being sarcastic to someone clueless [of which OP seems to be] with such suggestion, though, IMO, will only bring problem as it opens to an interpretation to the gullibles that feedback can be bought.

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The solution are hinted here and there, if you bother to read carefully. To summarize: if you want a quick "trust" in the sense that people will take your loan request seriously, do a collateral loan. With each progression, as you prove yourself as a good loaner, positive feedback will come [eventually]. If you want to go with a longer path that doesn't involve a loan activity, build trust and establish your name by contributing to the forum. You'll still need to put a collateral when you eventually apply for a loan in the future, but with contribution and showing that you're someone that can be trusted, those current negative rating can possibly retracted by each of the poster as time goes.

Those things said, I honestly don't think there is much you can do. Some problem simply doesn't have a solution and outcome that we desired, like yours. Asking for 30 BTC loan right from the start is... fatal.

Nobody's gonna lend even $15 to a new account...

Obviously nobody was going to lend that amount. Almost makes you wonder why the negatives are necessary. Now he will make a new account as he’s been advised, try to come up with some sort of fake collateral, and try again asking for a lower amount while being trained how to be a more efficient scammer. It’s a case of people thinking they’re protecting the community from accidentally loaning a newbie over a million dollars, when in reality they’re educating a scammer who had 0 chance of ever getting the loan to begin with.

Did you honestly think anyone here in their right mind would loan you 30BTC, which was worth about $1.5 million dollars at the time of posting?

These are the kind of deals for which you need armed couriers, body guards, weapons, etc in person to make sure that you don't get kidnapped or robbed along with everything else in your possession. Why would you expect some strangers on the internet to give you a million dollars without collateral?

the solution is simple, you don't need to act silly. what you do is beyond people's tolerance limits.
I'm sure you're not stupid, maybe just a little uninformed. Or maybe you are deliberately creating your own ridiculous drama.

if you feel this forum is not good for you and your business. then you can leave the forum. If you still want to continue, then don't do anything silly again.

The solution is to understand that nobody will ever give you a loan here. Think about it for half a minute: would you ever loan hundreds or thousands of dollars to someone you never met & has no history or reputation to speak of? If you wouldn't, why would somebody else?

I doubt. You seem sad and miserable

I mean, look at all your previous loan requests (scam attempts). Why would you expect forum members to be polite to you? You are not a genuine new member but rather a potential scammer. In the real world, you could easily get mobbed.

What do you want them to tell you? Your red will likely not be removed for years. Even then there is a low chance of someone removing the red trust as you have not built a reputation that would allow you to get a large loan without collateral. You have built nothing, just showed up and posted asking for money.

The old say of you have to give respect to get respect comes to mind. Were you showing this forum and its members respect when you came here asking for a large sum of money? Are you respecting the forum and members by thinking they're stupid? Why do you expect them to be nice to you?

 You are talking about trust, lol . You are not serious. Let me just ask: will you also trust yourself? Since from the beginning your post all depends on ways to get a loan and you don’t have any tangible reasons, I think what surprises me the most is that scammers are intelligent, but you are not how dumb of you will you think that even a young child that is in his childhood will trust you, talkless of all the grown-up adults and experienced members. It is a disgrace to you that your plan was not achieved and normal; there is no space for people like you.
 
Mind you, this is an educational and interactive community, not a place to scam, so you are not welcome. Stop publishing scam threads; it is best for you, and I will actually appreciate that that gave you those negative tags, and even though I can also do that, I will also add more negative tags to your account because you are not to be trusted.

If you were smart, you would research who has scammed the most bitcoin, and ask them for a loan.  They have a lot less to lose.

Im really happy now for real !!!  Legendary member you never cease to amaze me !! making fun and arguing about the reason and forgetting to write a solution !! just to talk down on new members

this forum really something with you guys around

In fairness to the manner in which the post was written, there seems to be a message of sarcasm behind it but they will have to clarify what their intention was.

Keeping that aside, it is clear the OP cannot be taken seriously because in one post he even asked for a loan of 30 BTC but later claimed it was a test to see how members respond. I am not sure what his agenda is in the forum but I would not be surprised if this amazingseller1 account understands it has no future here as a result of the tags therefore will eventually give up and create other accounts.

That is an extremely bad advise that I find myself really surprised to hear from someone with a hero rank. You're proposing OP to send some fund to the DT who tag him and hopefully they'll revise the negative feedback, and perhaps build his trust? That's borderline suggesting for an abuse of DT power, and I am sure none of those 4 DT will do so.

Why limit yourself to stop active and posting on this forum because you have negative feedback? is there something you need to achieve?

If you want to build your trust, then you can send 1.3 BTC to these users who tagged you, maybe they will revise the feedback, but there's no guarantee. But, at least giving 1.3 BTC proving you're have money and don't mind to lost it, so will you give them 1.3 BTC?

It might seem harsh but some sort of tag is usually given by at least one member when a newbie with little to no posting history decides to ask for a loan. If you were an established member and someone you and others did not know anything about approached you and asked for a loan, would you give it?

Not only that, would you consider it apt to advise others that there is someone going around asking for 30 BTC, 1.3 BTC and other amounts therefore telling them to be careful about someone who in all probability is a scammer? Can you really blame them for leaving you negative tags?

This is exactly how the trust system should work. It should serve as a form of protection for members against scammers and I don't think anybody will doubt that your intention is to scam. You started your journey in the forum as an account seller. You advertised Amazon, X (Twitter), PayPal, Ticketmaster, and Coinbase accounts for sale. In most cases, these accounts are used for fraudulent activities.

I assume that when you didn't get any prey you switched to asking for loans without collateral. You can't lie to yourself that you will not run away with such a loan if it is granted. I think you deserve more red tags and you might even get more for bringing up your case.

OP had just five posts when he asked for his first loan of 1.3BTC which he claims is for business purposes. So he deserves more punishment.

Because you are showing high risk for being newbie. You will understand the point of the negative trust if you will just widen your perspective. You are newbie while loan here is just trust basis since everyone is anonymously here. Honestly speaking, will you give a loan if someone new ask for it without any collateral and good track records in a trust basis community.

The only way to resolve this is to show that you are trustworthy person. Start by not asking unsecured loan. Just be a regular forum member until you build your reputation by doing good deeds here through contributions.

This alone shows you're a scammer
Based on the rules of the forum, the red trust was mercy, if it were up to me your account wouldn't be on this forum anymore. Since there is no care proof that you're a scammer or you scammed someone, the red trust would have to do so, but you're 100% a scammer.
The red trust is to let everybody in the forum know what you are and if there's anybody dumb enough to do business with you then it's that person's risk.

After your classic Ponzi scheme tactics, you then went on to say you didn't really need 30btc, that it was just a test. Really?
All these were after you applied for a loan of 1.3btc.
What were you expecting when you brought this to the reputation board? Do you lack self-awareness?

Indeed, you deserve these negative trusts because you are creating new accounts to request large loans without collateral. You had previously used the account michalgrawe to request a loan in the DarkStar's Loans thread, and you deleted your post [this one] after your attempt to receive a loan of 0.9 BTC failed. Following this, you used your current alternative account to request a loan of 0.05 BTC in Zazarb's Quick-Loans thread [here] and created topics for requesting loans of 1.3 BTC & 30 BTC


These negative trusts are just to warn other members not to deal with you due to the potential risk of significant financial loss. Your continued activity and posting here in the forum are only because your loan requests have failed, and I don't think anyone foolish enough would accept your requests. Therefore, I advise you to stop what you are doing, as you are wasting your time in vain. If you are looking for money, you must obtain it legally through your hard work and determination without scamming anyone.

From your previous threads, it's obvious you're possibly seem as a scammer or one that's just looking for a valnourable fellow that will fall into your cheap crap. How do you just create an account with mere 16 activity and you're already requesting for a loan of 30BTC? Where you being serious or you just wanted to catch fun?

I don't see the tags as unnecessary at all and I wouldn't even advice you to create another account if you can't define your reason for being a part of the forum members.  If you're interested in securing a particular amount of BTC from this space, you should have at least given yourself time on the forum and proven that you're worth paying attention and can be trusted with a loaned money but even with that, 30BTC is damn outrageous for someone to ever ask to be loaned for.

Was that a loan of 1.3BTC or what  . For a newbie calling 1.3BTC a loan sounds really funny  , because that's kind of massive even for a newbie that might not even have plans on paying back. You should know that loans are given to those who have something of worth to stake Incase anything goes wrong, but not sure of 1.3BTC. Just listen to what the first user has said.

Your account has just 16 posts and 16 activities. Not that you are banned in a way that you can evade ban with new account. You can create a new account is my advice but do not use it to request for a loan or to do anything stupid that can get you another red trust.

If you have no reputation yet on this forum or you just come with a new account seeking for a loan without no collateral, people see it as a way to scam and which can lead to what happened to your account. Obviously, it is a way to scam.

Hello everyone

just because i asked for a loan and I don't have a strong Collateral they gave bad Trust points and I already got 4 of them .

giving bad trust doesn't have to be that way, its no use to keep active and posting on this community since u have no trust