Topic: Neg rep. Trust abuse. (Read 1085 times)

Quote from: JeffK on May 17, 2014, 11:54:54 AM

Yes, I would have liked to sell this account in a future, with some positive trust from the loans. I bought it "cheap" trying to flip it soon for more. You made it hard sincerely. It seems you don't like others make some BTC in the way they can. Buying and selling accounts is a honest way to earn BTC even if you don't agree.

Buying and selling accounts is not the problem here. As it was allready mentioned: you are trying to buy trust. Which Vod prevented to his abilities. If you are trading with someone that has an account labeled "Hero Member" - registered sometime 2010, would you trust that person more or less than a "Newbie" that registered last week?
Trust can not be bought, but only earned, can not be proven but only disproven.

I don't know when I tried to buy trust, I was happy with my 0 trust.

I'll repeat what was said again many times: a newbie with 0 Trust (capital T), isn't as trustworthy as a Sr. member with 0 trust. Trust (capital T) isn't the only thing that comes into determining ones reputation.

I'll repeat again too that if I wanted to sell this account now, I CANT because of the neg trust.

If you only bought to resell, you may want to rethink your business model. You may as well lock this thread as you have your answers but you just don't like them.

Didn't know we had a business master on here. Thread closed.

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Quote from: mprep on May 17, 2014, 10:31:49 AM

Quote from: mprep on May 17, 2014, 10:31:49 AM

Yes, I would have liked to sell this account in a future, with some positive trust from the loans. I bought it "cheap" trying to flip it soon for more. You made it hard sincerely. It seems you don't like others make some BTC in the way they can. Buying and selling accounts is a honest way to earn BTC even if you don't agree.

Buying and selling accounts is not the problem here. As it was allready mentioned: you are trying to buy trust. Which Vod prevented to his abilities. If you are trading with someone that has an account labeled "Hero Member" - registered sometime 2010, would you trust that person more or less than a "Newbie" that registered last week?
Trust can not be bought, but only earned, can not be proven but only disproven.

I don't know when I tried to buy trust, I was happy with my 0 trust.

I'll repeat what was said again many times: a newbie with 0 Trust (capital T), isn't as trustworthy as a Sr. member with 0 trust. Trust (capital T) isn't the only thing that comes into determining ones reputation.

I'll repeat again too that if I wanted to sell this account now, I CANT because of the neg trust.

If you only bought to resell, you may want to rethink your business model. You may as well lock this thread as you have your answers but you just don't like them.

JeffK

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I never hashed for this...

Yes, I would have liked to sell this account in a future, with some positive trust from the loans. I bought it "cheap" trying to flip it soon for more. You made it hard sincerely. It seems you don't like others make some BTC in the way they can. Buying and selling accounts is a honest way to earn BTC even if you don't agree.

Buying and selling accounts is not the problem here. As it was allready mentioned: you are trying to buy trust. Which Vod prevented to his abilities. If you are trading with someone that has an account labeled "Hero Member" - registered sometime 2010, would you trust that person more or less than a "Newbie" that registered last week?
Trust can not be bought, but only earned, can not be proven but only disproven.

I don't know when I tried to buy trust, I was happy with my 0 trust.

I'll repeat what was said again many times: a newbie with 0 Trust (capital T), isn't as trustworthy as a Sr. member with 0 trust. Trust (capital T) isn't the only thing that comes into determining ones reputation.

I'll repeat again too that if I wanted to sell this account now, I CANT because of the neg trust.

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Yes, I would have liked to sell this account in a future, with some positive trust from the loans. I bought it "cheap" trying to flip it soon for more. You made it hard sincerely. It seems you don't like others make some BTC in the way they can. Buying and selling accounts is a honest way to earn BTC even if you don't agree.

Buying and selling accounts is not the problem here. As it was allready mentioned: you are trying to buy trust. Which Vod prevented to his abilities. If you are trading with someone that has an account labeled "Hero Member" - registered sometime 2010, would you trust that person more or less than a "Newbie" that registered last week?
Trust can not be bought, but only earned, can not be proven but only disproven.

I don't know when I tried to buy trust, I was happy with my 0 trust.

I'll repeat what was said again many times: a newbie with 0 Trust (capital T), isn't as trustworthy as a Sr. member with 0 trust. Trust (capital T) isn't the only thing that comes into determining ones reputation.

JeffK

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I never hashed for this...

Yes, I would have liked to sell this account in a future, with some positive trust from the loans. I bought it "cheap" trying to flip it soon for more. You made it hard sincerely. It seems you don't like others make some BTC in the way they can. Buying and selling accounts is a honest way to earn BTC even if you don't agree.

Buying and selling accounts is not the problem here. As it was allready mentioned: you are trying to buy trust. Which Vod prevented to his abilities. If you are trading with someone that has an account labeled "Hero Member" - registered sometime 2010, would you trust that person more or less than a "Newbie" that registered last week?
Trust can not be bought, but only earned, can not be proven but only disproven.

I don't know when I tried to buy trust, I was happy with my 0 trust.

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Quote from: mprep on May 15, 2014, 11:57:22 AM

Yes, I would have liked to sell this account in a future, with some positive trust from the loans. I bought it "cheap" trying to flip it soon for more. You made it hard sincerely. It seems you don't like others make some BTC in the way they can. Buying and selling accounts is a honest way to earn BTC even if you don't agree.

Buying and selling accounts is not the problem here. As it was allready mentioned: you are trying to buy trust. Which Vod prevented to his abilities. If you are trading with someone that has an account labeled "Hero Member" - registered sometime 2010, would you trust that person more or less than a "Newbie" that registered last week?
Trust can not be bought, but only earned, can not be proven but only disproven.

JeffK

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I never hashed for this...

Yes, I would have liked to sell this account in a future, with some positive trust from the loans. I bought it "cheap" trying to flip it soon for more. You made it hard sincerely. It seems you don't like others make some BTC in the way they can. Buying and selling accounts is a honest way to earn BTC even if you don't agree.

Vod

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I left negative trust for a valid reason - you are a newbie pretending not to be a newbie. This is worse than just being a newbie.

You portray yourself as someone who has invested time into this forum. When in reality you're just looking for something to earn you more than you paid for the account - 0.3btc - and then you have no other reason to keep the account. Buy another one, rinse and repeat.

If you want to build trust, start with a newbie account and earn that trust. There are no shortcuts.

JeffK

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I never hashed for this...

Quote from: JeffK on May 15, 2014, 11:43:31 AM

Quote from: NLNico on May 15, 2014, 11:32:22 AM

Quote from: mprep on May 15, 2014, 11:32:34 AM

edit: why can't I see now on the left the red trust? I can only see it when I enter my profile

Only some forums show it, like marketplace forums.

ok, thanks.

Quote from: JeffK on May 15, 2014, 11:43:31 AM

I can understand the "warning" sign but as it is now, I'm passing like a scammer. Forum should add a neutral trust or something with acts as warning. I can't sell the account anymore and it's hard for me now to trade/offer services. Nevermind.

Well, purchasing an account doesn't add trust. You have to create your own one and build it up, get rep in legitimate ways rather than expect to be considered trustworthy just because you bought an account.

I know it doesn't add trust, that was not the meaning of buying it. Should be added on the link where staff members says it's allowed to buy accounts that it not only not adds any trust, but it implies receiving neg rep from hero (never truer word) member. If I wanted to resell the account now, I shouldn't be needing to build a trust first.

I can understand you are flooded by scams here but I don't agree with neg rep first person you see that bought an account. In that case, newbies should start with neg rep too and start building their own.

You fail to understand what the negative rep means. Newbie with no rep = Sr. Member with trustworthy negative rep about buying the account. The fact it's negative doesn't mean anything - it's what's in the comments that matters. The negative rep implies that this person is not to be trusted until he gets positive feedback witht the timestamp later than the negative one. So this rating pretty much just resets any rep the previous owner had.

ok, let's leave it here. I understood your point but we both know its not exactly like you say. I was rejected from a free IPO that was adding sig for being a "scammer" so imagine when I will want to trade/offer services. I will try to build a rep, let's see how it goes. Thank you anyways for your time.

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Quote from: NLNico on May 15, 2014, 11:32:22 AM

Quote from: mprep on May 15, 2014, 11:32:34 AM

edit: why can't I see now on the left the red trust? I can only see it when I enter my profile

Only some forums show it, like marketplace forums.

ok, thanks.

Quote from: NLNico on May 15, 2014, 11:32:22 AM

I can understand the "warning" sign but as it is now, I'm passing like a scammer. Forum should add a neutral trust or something with acts as warning. I can't sell the account anymore and it's hard for me now to trade/offer services. Nevermind.

Well, purchasing an account doesn't add trust. You have to create your own one and build it up, get rep in legitimate ways rather than expect to be considered trustworthy just because you bought an account.

I know it doesn't add trust, that was not the meaning of buying it. Should be added on the link where staff members says it's allowed to buy accounts that it not only not adds any trust, but it implies receiving neg rep from hero (never truer word) member. If I wanted to resell the account now, I shouldn't be needing to build a trust first.

I can understand you are flooded by scams here but I don't agree with neg rep first person you see that bought an account. In that case, newbies should start with neg rep too and start building their own.

You fail to understand what the negative rep means. Newbie with no rep = Sr. Member with trustworthy negative rep about buying the account. The fact it's negative doesn't mean anything - it's what's in the comments that matters. The negative rep implies that this person is not to be trusted until he gets positive feedback witht the timestamp later than the negative one. So this rating pretty much just resets any rep the previous owner had.

JeffK

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I never hashed for this...

Quote from: mprep on May 15, 2014, 11:32:34 AM

edit: why can't I see now on the left the red trust? I can only see it when I enter my profile

Only some forums show it, like marketplace forums.

ok, thanks.

I can understand the "warning" sign but as it is now, I'm passing like a scammer. Forum should add a neutral trust or something with acts as warning. I can't sell the account anymore and it's hard for me now to trade/offer services. Nevermind.

Well, purchasing an account doesn't add trust. You have to create your own one and build it up, get rep in legitimate ways rather than expect to be considered trustworthy just because you bought an account.

I know it doesn't add trust, that was not the meaning of buying it. Should be added on the link where staff members says it's allowed to buy accounts that it not only not adds any trust, but it implies receiving neg rep from hero (never truer word) member. If I wanted to resell the account now, I shouldn't be needing to build a trust first.

I can understand you are flooded by scams here but I don't agree with neg rep first person you see that bought an account. In that case, newbies should start with neg rep too and start building their own.

mprep

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In a world of peaches, don't ask for apple sauce

I can understand the "warning" sign but as it is now, I'm passing like a scammer. Forum should add a neutral trust or something with acts as warning. I can't sell the account anymore and it's hard for me now to trade/offer services. Nevermind.

Well, purchasing an account doesn't add trust. You have to create your own one and build it up, get rep in legitimate ways rather than expect to be considered trustworthy just because you bought an account.

NLNico

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