i see no legitimate reason to buy an account instead of creating it and posting as yourself.....
if someone can bring to the table something to change this in a logical manner, my ears are open. The reasoning for personal account development/advancement is pretty clear... and buying an account; has no legitimate basis in my eyes.
If someone is really considering legal actions over someone else's opinion; well... that is soo lacking in a logical basis that i seriously have zero thoughts to contribute as it is pretty clear to the layman why it is such.
I can understand the reason someone would want to sell their account; to step away and make a profit.... which is a normal logical thought process.
Topic: Negative Trust for innocent newbies who have no knowledge yet in the forum (Read 509 times)
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July 16, 2019, 09:57:49 AM
July 16, 2019, 07:40:18 AM
Scammers aren't even prohibited here, yet they get tagged by the hundreds. Think they'd have a case? Nah. Nor would account sellers.
Hey man, I'm really begging you to revoke the negative feedback if that's possible. I already admitted that I did wrong because of my beginner actions. I've never scammed people or abused any people here at the forum. I am aware its easy to create another account here by using other email and IP but I'm not that person you were thinking all along. I've done all this trouble because I want to clear my name and be trusted. I am really thankful that many people shared their concerns and insights about my problem.
I also want the discussion to end since a mere newbie is already disturbing high ranking members here in the thread. In the end, it would still be up to you to remove the feedback but I'll start to use my account to engage in the forum for work and other things. Thanks for all of your time and I'm sorry for being careless.
July 15, 2019, 05:27:26 PM
Don’t you see that a buyer could have a legit lawsuit?
That would never, ever, not even in a million universe-lifetimes, happen. Not only would it not stand up in court, it wouldn't even make it to a court. It wouldn't even make it to the desk of a lawyer. If I'm wrong about this, I'll buy a hat and eat it.Scammers aren't even prohibited here, yet they get tagged by the hundreds. Think they'd have a case? Nah. Nor would account sellers.
July 15, 2019, 05:22:20 PM
Don’t you see that a buyer could have a legit lawsuit?
He could force kyc on the website. Saying that bitcointalk is practicing deception by allowing the sale of accounts and then allowing tagging.
How many people have been tagged more then 100 means a class action lawsuit can be done.
You understand my thought is to protect bitcointalk. I feel this policy of allowing sales and allowing tagging of a sale could create a legal issue for the website and for the taggers .
He could force kyc on the website. Saying that bitcointalk is practicing deception by allowing the sale of accounts and then allowing tagging.
How many people have been tagged more then 100 means a class action lawsuit can be done.
You understand my thought is to protect bitcointalk. I feel this policy of allowing sales and allowing tagging of a sale could create a legal issue for the website and for the taggers .
Hypothetically speaking, if I place negative feedback on your account because I think you are high-risk to trade with, you can't do anything about it. System is made in such way that I don't have to give my reason why I think you are "high risk":
All I have to do is to think that trading with you is high risk. If it comes to law suit, correct defence will be "I think trading with anonymous person is high risk". Basically every member can have this tag.
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Saying that bitcointalk is practicing deception by allowing the sale of accounts and then allowing tagging.
That is not correct, according to forum rules:Quote
18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.
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Q: I saw a guy selling Bitcointalk accounts. Why is that allowed?
A: Since we can't effectively prevent these sales (proxies, TOR, sales on other forums), we don't because otherwise we would be giving the users a false sense of security.
A: Since we can't effectively prevent these sales (proxies, TOR, sales on other forums), we don't because otherwise we would be giving the users a false sense of security.
No one is deceived here, forum does not approve account sales but they are allowed because they can't be effectively prevented.
I already agreed with bob123
Which would mean I also agree with you. As I mentioned my opinion is essentially worthless since I do not have a formal legal background.
So I will say no more on the subject.
July 15, 2019, 03:47:15 PM
Don’t you see that a buyer could have a legit lawsuit?
He could force kyc on the website. Saying that bitcointalk is practicing deception by allowing the sale of accounts and then allowing tagging.
How many people have been tagged more then 100 means a class action lawsuit can be done.
You understand my thought is to protect bitcointalk. I feel this policy of allowing sales and allowing tagging of a sale could create a legal issue for the website and for the taggers .
He could force kyc on the website. Saying that bitcointalk is practicing deception by allowing the sale of accounts and then allowing tagging.
How many people have been tagged more then 100 means a class action lawsuit can be done.
You understand my thought is to protect bitcointalk. I feel this policy of allowing sales and allowing tagging of a sale could create a legal issue for the website and for the taggers .
Hypothetically speaking, if I place negative feedback on your account because I think you are high-risk to trade with, you can't do anything about it. System is made in such way that I don't have to give my reason why I think you are "high risk":
All I have to do is to think that trading with you is high risk. If it comes to law suit, correct defence will be "I think trading with anonymous person is high risk". Basically every member can have this tag.
Quote
Saying that bitcointalk is practicing deception by allowing the sale of accounts and then allowing tagging.
That is not correct, according to forum rules:Quote
18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.
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Q: I saw a guy selling Bitcointalk accounts. Why is that allowed?
A: Since we can't effectively prevent these sales (proxies, TOR, sales on other forums), we don't because otherwise we would be giving the users a false sense of security.
A: Since we can't effectively prevent these sales (proxies, TOR, sales on other forums), we don't because otherwise we would be giving the users a false sense of security.
No one is deceived here, forum does not approve account sales but they are allowed because they can't be effectively prevented.
July 15, 2019, 08:30:25 AM
Then ban all account sales and ban anyone that buys or sells accounts.
It is not prohibited. So no reason to ban the accounts.
What does not work for me is allowing sales and then tagging the buyer and seller with negative trust.
No one has to 'allow' tagging.
The trust system is not supervised by theymos or anyone else.
Don’t you see that a buyer could have a legit lawsuit?
He could force kyc on the website. Saying that bitcointalk is practicing deception by allowing the sale of accounts and then allowing tagging.
He could force kyc on the website. Saying that bitcointalk is practicing deception by allowing the sale of accounts and then allowing tagging.
Lol, no.
No user can force a forum to demand KYC.
Just because user X tags user Y because of Z, the forum is not liable at all. That's nonsense.
I feel this policy of allowing sales and allowing tagging of a sale could create a legal issue for the website and for the taggers .
Your feeling is wrong.
Okay if you say so.
July 15, 2019, 08:21:08 AM
Then ban all account sales and ban anyone that buys or sells accounts.
It is not prohibited. So no reason to ban the accounts.
What does not work for me is allowing sales and then tagging the buyer and seller with negative trust.
No one has to 'allow' tagging.
The trust system is not supervised by theymos or anyone else.
Don’t you see that a buyer could have a legit lawsuit?
He could force kyc on the website. Saying that bitcointalk is practicing deception by allowing the sale of accounts and then allowing tagging.
He could force kyc on the website. Saying that bitcointalk is practicing deception by allowing the sale of accounts and then allowing tagging.
Lol, no.
No user can force a forum to demand KYC.
Just because user X tags user Y because of Z, the forum is not liable at all. That's nonsense.
I feel this policy of allowing sales and allowing tagging of a sale could create a legal issue for the website and for the taggers .
Your feeling is wrong.
July 15, 2019, 08:06:47 AM
~snip~
I don't agree with this opinion.
Account sales won't be done publicly. Regardless of whether they receive a negative trust rating or not.
The reason to buy accounts is to cheat on bounties, promoting scam and creating a wrong illusion of 'trustworthiness'.
Those people can't allow to have a 'Sold account' tag to be seen on their profile.
So, while very few people would actually do it publicly, exactly those are the people who do not indent to cheat / scam.
And exactly only them get punished.
So.. either tag everyone, or no one.
Tagging no one is obviously not an option tho..
[...] Because he said that posting on this forum requires a ranking member to be trusted. [...]
Exactly this is the problem.
Instead of getting trusted on this forum, you tried to deceive others into believing you are a trustworthy user..
If a trusted member 'is needed', then you - as a newbie - obviously were the wrong person. So why trying to cheat and buy an account to create the illusion to be trusted while you are obviously not ?
IMO the tag is absolutely justified.
The fact, that he admitted the reason for buying an account was to deceive others into believing he is trustworthy, makes it 100% justified.
Then ban all account sales and ban anyone that buys or sells accounts.
Which also works for me.
What does not work for me is allowing sales and then tagging the buyer and seller with negative trust.
Don’t you see that a buyer could have a legit lawsuit?
He could force kyc on the website. Saying that bitcointalk is practicing deception by allowing the sale of accounts and then allowing tagging.
How many people have been tagged more then 100 means a class action lawsuit can be done.
You understand my thought is to protect bitcointalk. I feel this policy of allowing sales and allowing tagging of a sale could create a legal issue for the website and for the taggers .
Edit my solution is more legal for bitcointalk. 1) allow a sale mark it sold. Hidden sales get a ban.
My second solution is also more legal for bitcointalk.
2) don’t allow sales ban is punishment
My opinion is the current solution creates a liability for bitcointalk and for anyone that tags for account purchases.
3) allow a sale and allow a tag (edit
Note my opinion is meaningless as I am not an official legal expert.
July 15, 2019, 05:48:22 AM
chance of earning merits.
Thanks for the tip. I'll keep that in mind.
July 15, 2019, 03:08:24 AM
~snip~
I don't agree with this opinion.
Account sales won't be done publicly. Regardless of whether they receive a negative trust rating or not.
The reason to buy accounts is to cheat on bounties, promoting scam and creating a wrong illusion of 'trustworthiness'.
Those people can't allow to have a 'Sold account' tag to be seen on their profile.
So, while very few people would actually do it publicly, exactly those are the people who do not indent to cheat / scam.
And exactly only them get punished.
So.. either tag everyone, or no one.
Tagging no one is obviously not an option tho..
[...] Because he said that posting on this forum requires a ranking member to be trusted. [...]
Exactly this is the problem.
Instead of getting trusted on this forum, you tried to deceive others into believing you are a trustworthy user..
If a trusted member 'is needed', then you - as a newbie - obviously were the wrong person. So why trying to cheat and buy an account to create the illusion to be trusted while you are obviously not ?
IMO the tag is absolutely justified.
The fact, that he admitted the reason for buying an account was to deceive others into believing he is trustworthy, makes it 100% justified.
July 15, 2019, 02:57:15 AM
>..<
Can I give you a tip - a lot on members don't like full quotes when they are not required, and nested quotes are even worse. Many members ( such as Jet Cash ) don't bother to read the replies when posters do this, and that can lose you the chance of earning merits.
July 15, 2019, 02:39:56 AM
I did create a thread in Reputation about the PM you and another member sent me, in case you missed it. I requested that anyone who had words of support to speak up, and so far it looks like no one did.
Account selling is a big no-no here. It promotes shitposting, scamming, spamming, and account farming--all of which are detrimental to bitcointalk. That's why account buyers and sellers have been getting negged since 2016. You ought to have known this, but instead you jumped right in to buy an account.
Account selling is a big no-no here. It promotes shitposting, scamming, spamming, and account farming--all of which are detrimental to bitcointalk. That's why account buyers and sellers have been getting negged since 2016. You ought to have known this, but instead you jumped right in to buy an account.
He actually started a thread with your name in it in the Reputation section, you should talk to him there:
Dammit, you either beat me to this or I missed your post here. Anyway.You should let him go.
Just this once.
My theory on account sales is as follows.
It is legal don’t punish any above board account sale.
Instead mark the sale as account sold on date it sold.
It must show that and it is not a tag offense.
Hidden account sales = ban the mofo.
This encourages all sales to be marked and shown.
What we do now encourages hidden sneaky sales.
And a do to doot person gets burned.
While a sneak does not.
I understand why you marked him but I think my solution is what to do. Mark a sold account as sold.
Thanks for understanding me sir. I just wanted to be trusted again. After my account got -1 Trust I've missed many opportunities with other clients not mentioning the changes on ranking which made me Newbie again. I am willing to grow my account if this will be removed and use it again often for helping others.
July 14, 2019, 01:01:56 PM
I was unaware that time when my client asked me to look for an account where I could buy. Because he said that posting on this forum requires a ranking member to be trusted.
Who was your client?Or, better, is project still alive?
The username is marcovaldo and the name of the project is Bitex.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36262958
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July 14, 2019, 01:13:04 AM
You should let him go.
Just this once.
My theory on account sales is as follows.
It is legal don’t punish any above board account sale.
Instead mark the sale as account sold on date it sold.
It must show that and it is not a tag offense.
Hidden account sales = ban the mofo.
This encourages all sales to be marked and shown.
What we do now encourages hidden sneaky sales.
And a do to doot person gets burned.
While a sneak does not.
I understand why you marked him but I think my solution is what to do. Mark a sold account as sold.
Just this once.
My theory on account sales is as follows.
It is legal don’t punish any above board account sale.
Instead mark the sale as account sold on date it sold.
It must show that and it is not a tag offense.
Hidden account sales = ban the mofo.
This encourages all sales to be marked and shown.
What we do now encourages hidden sneaky sales.
And a do to doot person gets burned.
While a sneak does not.
I understand why you marked him but I think my solution is what to do. Mark a sold account as sold.
100% agree.
The Pharmacist is an asshole,he will do everything to give those new folks a negative even if its not against the rules.You broke the rule thats why this abusive wont forgive you,ask him and he will laugh at you like what his colleagues are doing.
I have noticed many people don't care about offending others, as feelings are your own problem sourced from your own perceptions.
I have been called out on many things in the past, and keeping a cool head and being curt and straightforward has both earned me this same type of response, as well as myself being straight and curt has been the way I respond to such things... To myself, I feel this has earned me the respect I deserve.
Civility breeds itself. Incivility gets exponential faster than civility.
Knowing this: be careful on how you approach people with preconceptions on how you think someone should be or act; as everyone is just in their own feelings and has no right to push them on others.
July 13, 2019, 05:38:05 PM
I was unaware that time when my client asked me to look for an account where I could buy. Because he said that posting on this forum requires a ranking member to be trusted.
Who was your client?Or, better, is project still alive?
July 13, 2019, 02:33:28 PM
I had a quick look at your post history, and noticed you've created many ANN-token threads filled with spam like "registration" and "good project". To make this a Meta issue again: I wouldn't mind if you'd get banned for incentivising low-effort posting (but that case isn't very strong). And you've done your fair share of low-effort posting yourself too.
Luckily, your spam stopped after the Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements took away your ability to post images.
Luckily, your spam stopped after the Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements took away your ability to post images.
July 13, 2019, 01:49:57 PM
You broke the rule thats why this abusive wont forgive you,ask him and he will laugh at you like what his colleagues are doing.
What forum rule did the OP broke? The issue was account buying and, from what I understand, that is not a violation but it is very much discouraged by most senior members here. July 13, 2019, 01:40:22 PM
The Pharmacist is an asshole,he will do everything to give those new folks a negative even if its not against the rules.You broke the rule thats why this abusive wont forgive you,ask him and he will laugh at you like what his colleagues are doing.
July 13, 2019, 09:52:41 AM
I did create a thread in Reputation about the PM you and another member sent me, in case you missed it. I requested that anyone who had words of support to speak up, and so far it looks like no one did.
Account selling is a big no-no here. It promotes shitposting, scamming, spamming, and account farming--all of which are detrimental to bitcointalk. That's why account buyers and sellers have been getting negged since 2016. You ought to have known this, but instead you jumped right in to buy an account.
Account selling is a big no-no here. It promotes shitposting, scamming, spamming, and account farming--all of which are detrimental to bitcointalk. That's why account buyers and sellers have been getting negged since 2016. You ought to have known this, but instead you jumped right in to buy an account.
He actually started a thread with your name in it in the Reputation section, you should talk to him there:
Dammit, you either beat me to this or I missed your post here. Anyway.You should let him go.
Just this once.
My theory on account sales is as follows.
It is legal don’t punish any above board account sale.
Instead mark the sale as account sold on date it sold.
It must show that and it is not a tag offense.
Hidden account sales = ban the mofo.
This encourages all sales to be marked and shown.
What we do now encourages hidden sneaky sales.
And a do to doot person gets burned.
While a sneak does not.
I understand why you marked him but I think my solution is what to do. Mark a sold account as sold.
July 13, 2019, 09:38:21 AM
I did create a thread in Reputation about the PM you and another member sent me, in case you missed it. I requested that anyone who had words of support to speak up, and so far it looks like no one did.
Account selling is a big no-no here. It promotes shitposting, scamming, spamming, and account farming--all of which are detrimental to bitcointalk. That's why account buyers and sellers have been getting negged since 2016. You ought to have known this, but instead you jumped right in to buy an account.
Account selling is a big no-no here. It promotes shitposting, scamming, spamming, and account farming--all of which are detrimental to bitcointalk. That's why account buyers and sellers have been getting negged since 2016. You ought to have known this, but instead you jumped right in to buy an account.
He actually started a thread with your name in it in the Reputation section, you should talk to him there:
Dammit, you either beat me to this or I missed your post here. Anyway. 
July 13, 2019, 09:37:19 AM
He actually started a thread with your name in it in the Reputation section, you should talk to him there:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/to-cryptogeorge-and-saifulbdit91-re-feedback-removal-5164556
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/to-cryptogeorge-and-saifulbdit91-re-feedback-removal-5164556
July 13, 2019, 09:33:53 AM
This is personal issue between this user and you.
There is no meaning to ask admin for help or post here.
Nobody here can do anything for you.
As suggested, join discussion in the reputation thread and explain your point.
I wish you luck but you will have to explain a lot there.
There is no meaning to ask admin for help or post here.
Nobody here can do anything for you.
As suggested, join discussion in the reputation thread and explain your point.
I wish you luck but you will have to explain a lot there.
July 13, 2019, 08:48:12 AM
simply because I violated important rules on this forum.
You did not violate any rule when you tried to buy an account but this practice is highly untrustworthy that is why you were tagged. Because he said that posting on this forum requires a ranking member to be trusted.
Having a high ranking account does not guarantee that it's trustworthy. Know that there are many hero/legendary accounts that has been tagged also for being untrustworthy. July 13, 2019, 08:40:50 AM
This is not a meta (forum) issue this is a reputation issue. The Pharmacist has a thread open about your PM request to review the feedback left. You can find it here. I suggest locking this topic and moving your discussion issue to that thread.
July 13, 2019, 08:11:24 AM
I would like to apologize again for something more than a year ago. "The Pharmacist" gave me this negative trust simply because I violated important rules on this forum. I was unaware that time when my client asked me to look for an account where I could buy. Because he said that posting on this forum requires a ranking member to be trusted. I saw a thread in the marketplace where there's someone posting that is selling accounts. I was interested so I replied not knowing what I was doing. Later on when I fulfilled my job for my client, I moved on. But later, I noticed that I have a red "-1" on my Trust. That is where I found out and kept apologizing to this person to forgive me and give a chance to negate his judgement. I admit that I was wrong and really regret that action. It was a long time ago but I am still using this account for a year now for my job and have no plans to create another one. I hope that admins would be considerate to help me and please "The Pharmacist" if you could help me I will be really thankful.
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