Topic: NERFED CARDS ARE IN CIRCULATION (Read 862 times)

Prices have come down here, Asus GeForce RTX 3070 TUF Gaming is "only" 1059 eur or 1282 usd. Still too much though to even consider, but feels like we are at the end of this cryptomining boom, cards are in stock again and prices have started to drop just a tiny bit. Perhaps at the end of summer we are looking at sane prices. Just hoping though. lol.

The latest rtx cards are mostly nerfed. Most of them are the LHR version, at least according to online news. But there's a trick to solve that problem, check out on Twitter or other hardware forum.

Regardless of whether they're nerfed or not, I also think buying new cards right now are not worth it. Maybe you can hunt prebuilt and use the parts, but most of those OEM parts have a terrible cooler. Well, it's your call now.

In my country, RTX 3070 are on sale for $ 2100 now. I think this is not a very good buy.
Over the past week, you can easily buy any models of video cards in stores, except for the RTX 3070ti and RTX 3080ti.
But for such prices, miners and gamers will not buy them.
Maybe the price will drop after the London hard fork

My local store got  50+ 3070's more than a week ago and they are still in stock. Was it supposed to be possible to tell from packaging if they are nerfed? Curious how they have not sold out yet.

grats!! good luck on the 4 out of 4!!

even now??? 2k??? prices have started dropping

Stop complaining mate, where I am they want over $2000 for these now. I guess we can do some scalping business  

Prices are complete nuts.

 I read FE cards are exempt  but it was on an EVGA blog a regular poster so not sure that is good info.

The Alienware pc had an fe style 3060ti
The omen pc had an fe style 3060ti with a slight mod the pie jack was at the rear of the card not the top.

Man I wish I had a hundred or so of the 3060ti's when they came out back in 2020 a fortune was made by the right miners with the right connections.

they were listed are 400 you could have mined Nov to June 8 months  paid the card off 3 times and sell them for  2x the price right now.

They are so fucking costly here in the states.

FWIW I came across some information that only non-original cards will have LHR chips, reference cards mady by Nvidia will have old GPU chips with no limitations. Haven't seen any proof to that though.

I seen Evga 3070s i Australia for aud$1700 the other day in stock. About us$1,310. All other models have gone up to aud$2k+
You can still buy gpus without buying other stuff here.

Edit: just checked Evga sold out now but still Zotac for same price https://www.scorptec.com.au/product/graphics-cards/nvidia/85704-zt-a30700h-10p

Congratulations on a good purchase.
I looked for similar computers in my country.
A system unit with a GeForce RTX 3060 video card costs $ 2,520.
With more powerful video cards computers are not available
https://www.mvideo.ru/products/sistemnyi-blok-igrovoi-hyperpc-lumen-ia10600-30056273/specification

Sorry for delay to answer.

Okay I picked up the omen at best buy on tuesday.

It is a very nice pc now sold out.

The 3060ti is small compact 2 fan with a customs back mount 8pin plug.

I pulled the card and hooked it up to a new smos build.

It works fine 59 mh at 120 watts fairly cool with fans at 75%

it is like the nvidia model fe

the dell alienware came yesterday and I blew out my back moving them around as they are heavy boxes with a weird shape.

they are also like nvidia model fe top mount 8pin jack light duty heat sink.

man I wish I could have picked up a dozen or so of these cards they are fine of course I now have three pcs without gpus.

I may part them out at my leisure.

I am waiting for the hp pavillion with a 3060ti.

I am 3 for 3 hoping to go 4 for 4.

At this point I wont be buying much gear.

I need to see the shake out of the nvidia nerf job.

It could be these cards will all get very valuable. If nividia nerfs hard.
amd has hardly any cards and eth stays pricey.

That is three ifs but I can afford to take the shot.

So far the omen builds crush the alien 👽 ware builds.
the omen30l are nice pcs. yeah there is some bloatware but thats okay.

palit dual is one of the worst cooling systems on video cards. I had problems on 1080 and 2070 and other graphics cards.
I managed to return one video card under a guarantee with a refund of the amount paid, and on other models I attached 80x80 fans to the radiator.

philipma1957, keep us posted. I myself am afraid to buy new Nvidia video cards in stores.

How did the delivery go? Its possible my area was pushed earlier and your location may get the nerfed cards a little later...

back on point I am getting early shipping for my first alienware pc.

it is due on May 25.

 I am hoping the 3060ti inside it is a good one and not nerfed.

I have a grand total of 4 pcs arriving with 4 3060tis that are supposedly all good since all were ordered well before the 18th of May.

2 alienware
1 hp omen
1 hp pavillion

I am a bit anxious as Four duds are possible. That would suck.

my palit 1060 duals run cool, theyre only 3gb though...

Nothing is hotter than asus expedition gtx 1070 and palit gtx1060 dual. they run 72-78C with power limit 70. im so happy i sold them. i did thermal paste change pads but never got good results.

ive had the opportunity to see some really large farms and i was always surprised at how they were completely amd and i had to be the genius to buy nvidia... amd cards were running hot when i did initial tests but that was before i found out about oc's
the issue with amd however is with eth 2.0 comming they will become useless... whereas nvidias are still able to rely on other income streams...

I Agree. AMD has taken the opposite approach as Nvidia in their support of the mining community. While Nvidia is looking to demonize and alienate casual miners for Nvidia's shortcomings, AMD supports them. My Polaris RX 580's hashing at 31-32 MH/s @ 115W each make them just as relevant for mining today as they were in 2017 when they were released. When it became apparent there was an issue with the Polaris line up losing ~10% hashrate every month from the growing DAG file size, AMD quickly developed the blockchain drivers to address the issue before it escalated and continues to implement it in their current drivers with compute mode. Now that it's apparent that Nvidia's Pascal lineup from back then also has the same problem, nothing but crickets from Nvidia. My few Nvidia Pascal cards are no where near as efficient today as the Polaris cards despite pulling almost twice the power and running much hotter., so I have switched to all AMD cards. Many large mining farms that were started during the 2017 bull run still in operation are still using Polaris cards.

Perhaps I should go back to my roots then and only buy amd from now on

Edit: oohhh, it does not concern the 3090 apparently, at least according to that statement.

For cards being sold at retail that have a LHR and non-LHR varient the LHR 3060 Ti, 3070, 3080 etc. will definitely have a LHR indication on the product listings and packaging. The 3070 Ti and 3080 Ti will only be produced in LHR versions.

https://youtu.be/T4R5GN60CBo?t=309

It is unlikely a new driver will work, according to nvidia this change is hardwired not just software related...

When Nvidia's video art sales drop, Nvidia will publish a new driver again, which removes all restrictions for the LHR/GE Series.
I'm not going to buy new video cards right now and will wait for a review of new video cards from miners.
But AMD has no restrictions in mining, so you can buy any model of these video cards.

stupid indeed.... miners should unite to short nvidia to kingdom come for treating us this way

There are NO differentiation on the packaging at this point in time. They did say they are goina be sneaky about it and so far they are using the old boxes. There is a slightly different serial number on the card. So if you buy new cards you will not know until u open the box up.

I believe the nerf you are talking about is their first botched attempt... this was a software nerf... the current nerf is physical in nature... at this point in time there is no workaround. Im not sure about 3090, maybe they wont nerf it on the account of it being so overpriced already

I can confirm nerfed 3070's have been shipped, sold via retailer and the miner flipped to someone by the time i posted the first link. It was a retail transaction throughout, so the nerfed hardware in the sinking into the pipeline, all of em 3060, 3070 and 3080.
Miners will be flipping these cards at slightly lower then current prices and unsuspecting miners are going to get caught

OKay so I don't mine and I own an alienware pc with a good 3070.

Pc dies due to a bad power supply they send me back a nerfed alienware new and sealed>

  I am asking for full refund or seeing as the nerfed unit simply won't have the value of the original alienware had.

This is a really problem as the warranty is a year you got it for christmas. So you are entitled to an equal
replacement until Christmas 1 year later.

This is going to be an amazing shit storm.  Should be fun to watch it.

Oh AMD will make out like a bandit. SO Nvidia is subsidizing them by doing this.

I don't see a difference unless you are referring to the retailer replacing the DOA.
The only angle I see is the "equal or better" provision in manufacturer warrantees.
A nerfed replacement is not "equal or better". Nvidia could choose to give you a nerfed
version of a bigger model or just give a refund for your DOA.

IANAL but I see unfair business practice in intentionally targetting one crypto algo.

I haven't seen any examples on packaging yet but here is an article on Zotac and how it's slightly changing to indicate the new LHR 3060.

https://videocardz.com/newz/zotac-offically-launches-its-new-geforce-rtx-3060-series-lite-hash-rate-gpus

edit to add

https://videocardz.com/newz/galax-launches-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-and-rtx-3060-with-cryptomining-limiter

Has some pictures of the Chinese packaging.

Yeah, too many underlying issues to follow. I guess what nvidia wants is --> buy our crap mining gpus for 10 times more money and in the return get 3 months warranty hehe, interesting thing will be once the bear am rket hits and nobody buys mining cards anymore just like what happened in 2018 then nvidia will have to unlock all those gaming gpus again ehhe or that or they will have to leave the lock and provide a mining card 10 times cheaper than a gpu gaming card ehhe. Will see, what nvidia is doing here is known as double edged sword, it hits either way ehhe.

Can someone provide an example of the LHR indicator on the packaging? I wanna know if the 3060 ti I ordered in january ever arrives so I can instantly send it back without opening it.

Totally stupid, it's not that there aren't other coins that are profitable right now too. A bit more gambling and you'll perhaps have to trade for btc or eth but whatever, still just 50 cents less profit

Yeah it seems totally stupid for them to do this.

How about you have a 3080 gpu  pc with a good mining card die under warranty and they send you back a nerfed gpu in the new replacement pc.  you may not be able to win in that lawsuit.

but see below:

How about you have a 3070 and it arrives doa today may 18th as you won it in the Newegg Shuffle on Friday the 14th,  it was old school model so you send it back

and they send you an LHR replacement.

I see lawsuits all over the place.

You would win that lawsuit the case in bold.

Let's see how this experiment will go. For now it makes no sense at all what nvidia is doing but I guess i will give the benefit of the doubt for the time being, eth will be dead for gpus anyway in 2 years or so, probably a new algo will be created in the meantime for these cards, will see.

Wow that sucks. I only thought it was the 3060. Also seems like their dedicated mining card wont be that good for mining. I don't care that much about resale value still got 4 280x left that are running in some computers lol. Not mining obviously but they are being put to use. Even one display output would make the mining cards more attractive.

Perhaps I should go cheaper route and get a few 2060's, local shop just got 50+ of them, they will pay themself back pretty quick

My concern is I have 3 builds on order placed before the 5-18-2021 blog

I have 2 alienware 3060ti builds
and an hp.com build with a 3060ti in it.

orders were place in april and due june 1 to june 7

If I get nerfed 3060ti's I will need to return them.

I do not want to get hassled on returning them.

this is from two posts above the blog quote

"A Further Step to Getting GeForce Cards into
the Hands of Gamers
We’re reducing the hash rate of newly manufactured GeForce RTX
3080, 3070 and 3060 Ti graphics cards so they’re less desirable to
miners.
May 18, 2021 by MATT WUEBBLING


Reading Time: 2 mins

GeForce products are made for gamers — and packed with innovations. Our RTX 30 Series is built on our
second-generation RTX architecture, with dedicated RT Cores and Tensor Cores, delivering amazing visuals
and performance to gamers and creators.
Because NVIDIA GPUs are programmable, users regularly discover new applications for them, from weather
simulation and gene sequencing to deep learning and robotics. Mining cryptocurrency is one of them.

Halving Hash Rate

To help get GeForce GPUs in the hands of gamers, we
announced in February that all GeForce RTX 3060
graphics cards shipped with a reduced Ethereum hash rate.
Today, we’re taking additional measures by applying a reduced ETH hash rate to newly manufactured GeForce
RTX 3080, RTX 3070 and RTX 3060 Ti graphics cards. These cards will start shipping in late May.
Clear Communication to Gamers
Because these GPUs originally launched with a full hash rate, we want to ensure that customers know
exactly what they’re getting when they buy GeForce products. To help with this, our GeForce partners are
labeling the GeForce RTX 3080, RTX 3070 and RTX 3060 Ti cards with a “Lite Hash Rate,” or “LHR,” identifier.
The identifier will be in retail product listings and on the box.
This reduced hash rate only applies to newly manufactured cards with the LHR identifier and not to cards
already purchased.
GeForce Is Made for Gaming
GeForce RTX GPUs have introduced a range of cutting-edge technologies — RTX real-time ray tracing, AIpowered
DLSS frame rate booster, NVIDIA Reflex super-fast response rendering for best system latency, and
many more — created to meet the needs of gamers and those who create digital experiences.
We believe this additional step will get more GeForce cards at better prices into the hands of gamers everywhere"

note the quote above was from nvidia blog date may 18 2021



Now my orders did not have that label LHR in the advertising the dell are due to me june 1 and june 7 the hp is due june 10

should be fun it they come wrong  and a score if they come correct.

Be very careful when you buy.

Have not seen them list it on the website that you can actually buy it.


https://galaxstore.net/

https://galaxstore.net/GeForce-RTX%E2%84%A2-30-Series_c_49.html


this photo does not show a nerfed card.

https://galaxstore.net/GeForce-RTX%E2%84%A2-3080-Series_c_53.html

Galax started with nerfed 3080.

According to this Nvidia post the new LHR cards will start shipping at the end of the month and should be clearly marked with LHR on the box or sku so everyone is clear on what they are getting.

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2021/05/18/lhr/

Except I have yet to see them hit the market.

3060 always nerfed I have 2 doing 70mh on smos trying the lowest power which is 100 watts
3060 a worse nerf is due

3060ti was great
3060ti not sure it if will be nerfed

3070 was great
3070 to be nerfed

3080 was great
3080 to be nerfed

3080ti never issued but should be nerfed

3090 was great
3090 not to be nerfed


I have only seen the older 3060 which was nerfed down to 25mh

It has work arounds:

 in linux it can boost to 37mh
 in windows it can boost to 46mh

smos lol boost

Can't get around the newer nerfed ones at the moment.

I thought it was only the 3060 that would be nerfed? Anyways isn't this possible to get around?

Okay are you saying 3070's and 3080's have hit the market?

As of today I have 2x 3060's which were known to LHR cards.

I do not have any other 'bad' cards.

But that does not mean they are not out there.

Just a warning and if anyone ends up with those cards pls post the hash you are getting....
Nerfed cards have started hitting the market be very careful in purchasing any cards from now in the 30 series