network hardening or other ways to prevent forks in a war scenario

Luno

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Quote from: 2112 on March 27, 2014, 03:46:33 PM

moonbounce (a.k.a. EME)

We've discussed this before: "How do we deal with an internet blackout?"

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-do-we-deal-with-an-internet-blackout-128702

The salient observation is: although the present Bitcoin network is p2p it actually emulates a broadcast medium.

Thank you. There is already an extensive thread on this.

2112

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moonbounce (a.k.a. EME)

We've discussed this before: "How do we deal with an internet blackout?"

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-do-we-deal-with-an-internet-blackout-128702

The salient observation is: although the present Bitcoin network is p2p it actually emulates a broadcast medium.

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Quote from: kjj on March 19, 2014, 01:03:31 AM

Quote from: Luno on March 19, 2014, 12:32:26 AM

Some are suggesting a mesh VHF network, but bandwidth on these frequencies, is too low.

I think you are either overestimating how much data bitcoin moves, or underestimating how much data packet radio can move.

And you don't even need to broadcast the entire blocks to prevent a fork.
Just announcing the block headers should be enough to inform the entire world where is the head of the chain.
That you don't have the transactions - that would be a different issue.

Quote from: Luno on March 27, 2014, 11:38:09 AM

I was thinking about initial download of the block chain.

That's eventually going to become a problem, even with the internet working just fine, outside a war scenario.
Some way for compressing the chain (making possible to download just its current state) - this will become a necessity, sooner or later.

Luno

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Quote from: kjj on March 19, 2014, 01:03:31 AM

Quote from: Luno on March 19, 2014, 12:32:26 AM

Some are suggesting a mesh VHF network, but bandwidth on these frequencies, is too low.

I think you are either overestimating how much data bitcoin moves, or underestimating how much data packet radio can move.

I was thinking about initial download of the block chain.

Maybe bitcoin, if governments in the future are invested, actually helps in keeping the Internet up as a global network? The would be a good thing in wartime.

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Quote from: Luno on March 19, 2014, 12:32:26 AM

Some are suggesting a mesh VHF network, but bandwidth on these frequencies, is too low.

I think you are either overestimating how much data bitcoin moves, or underestimating how much data packet radio can move.

Luno

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That's the point, Syria had 4 active wallets before things got to bad. Libya two wallets. In that case where one area is suffering for intermittent, low bandwidth, internet, online wallets, TOR, vpn might be better . which is being implemented in BitcoinJ client.

But in a conflict that span multiple countries, you can have rationed power to a few hours each day and a few flaky ISP's and a single state controlled pipeline out of the country. How do you keep in sync then?
Some are suggesting a mesh VHF network, but bandwidth on these frequencies, is too low.

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Bitcoin is a P2P network, so long as there is at least one link between the two groups, even an indirect one, a fork will not occur.

Luno

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What ideas could be relevant?

Trusted nodes in bunkers? An implementation in the client that warns that no "heart beat" has been heard from one of the trusted nodes in 30 minutes, so transactions are discouraged because of a possible fork?

Is obfuscation maybe a better way? A minimum client that can be hid headless only to support the network or maybe a virus that installs as many wallets as possible?

Maybe this will sort itself out as the stakes get higher, But will bitcoin work between fighting nations, tht's the ultimate network of distrust?

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