Topic: New approach to signature campaign. (Read 735 times)

It is natural that newbies hardly follow up conversations. When I was new it happened to me and it has been happening in the forum. Sometimes the comments get too much and they don't know how to join again or they might have gotten answers or see that the community does not approve of their idea, they will back off without locking the thread.

Spammers writing good enough or convincing description might not be easy unless they are aided by AI. What causes spamming could be bad knowledge of English language. Or do people just choose to be spammers even if they can do better?

Some rules that a few campaign managers are applying in their campaigns are pretty effective in reducing spam and useless posters getting enrolled and paid in campaigns for things they write around the forum that don't make much sense. @yahoo isn't paying posts in megathreads, @icopress doesn't pay posts that are done in threads having above 10 pages in local boards, etc.

So even if someone is only posting to get paid, such rules make them more responsible with their posts, and I don't see any harm in someone making posts in the forum only to get paid by their signature campaign as long as they are positively making those posts and aren't spamming the forum with junk and getting paid for it.

I think more managers need to implement such rules in their campaigns, it does make a difference, in some way.

The OP created this thread and then contributed to it by making two posts on the day it was created. Following that another two posts were made the day after. Now when we are two weeks in to the thread being created and since their last post, the OP seems to have understood their attention-seeking has backfired. We do not know the names of any other accounts the OP is operating but clearly the idea is for him to enrol them on to campaigns otherwise we would not here.

It is incorrect use of the trust system to give negative feedback to spammers, negative feedback should be for trade related risks. At best a spammer should receive a neutral feedback, and that should be enough to warn a manager about that member, though the manager would still have to check the member's post history by themselves to be sure if the feedback is valid and not wrong or retaliatory.

Simple, you don't need to convince a signature manager to hire you, your profile should do the convincing. Depending on the campaigns, where a user post more frequently, the quality of his post and activities on the forum should be the deciding factor.

Merits too but not always compulsory, anything else is just not necessary. The reason for the detail being asked is for it to be easier for the manager to update the spreadsheet with the correct information. Without that, simply answer of I'm interested can be used for hiring, no need writing a wall of text. Since you're that good that you want to use your wall of text to convince the manager to hire you, why don't they used that strength/time to be productive to the forum and getting campaign won't be difficult for them.

yep , they're basing what kind of negative trust you have, if you're spammer on a sig camp of course you're automatically decline for the campaign or let say there's something you do that not allowed while on the campaign , such as enrolling multiple accounts coz that's a very big negative for them. So don't expect even in bounties section if we we're talking about having negative trust on this forum.

It tell us that they are only posting for the pay. But that's what is obtainable in the forum. We know that the number of real and organic posters is reducing on a daily. For instance, there's no restrictions in boards like serious discussion, off topic and their likes, but people don't post their because posts there doesn't count towards the campaign quota.

Meanwhile, I trust your judgement and urge to try new things, maybe when it doesn't work as expected you can make some adjustments also.

That's why league threads should be avoided as much as possible. Notice one popular thread there. It has been open for almost a decade. Opening post is talking about something that happened many years ago. OP himself has been inactive for several years. And yet the thread has continuously grown. It has tens of thousands of replies already and thousands of pages. All kinds of discussions are there-- specific games, players, plays, statistics, standings, trades, controversies, odds, and so on and so forth. It could have been broken down into several topics.

Negative trust? I don't think so, there are users who receive negative trust that is not justified, that should not deny them a spot in a campaign. I'm sure campaign managers check if the negative feedback is valid and if it is from a dt member, or if the member has more positive feedback than negative.

I disagree with your last point. They are free to post in those threads just like they may have been, but they will not be paid to do so. If they decide to not post because they were only posting to get paid, what does that tell us?

The competition in a thread is probably the least worried about thing for Stake as they likely have 5x or more the participants than other companies, so they don't really have to worry about their ad being seen.

That's exactly what will play out, there's no doubt about that. As Darker said above, there's actually nothing much to be discussing in that section when you exempt all the major football leagues and other mega threads.

But then, I have my own reservations also. When I visit such mega threads, I see more of stake and Rollbit signatures and avatars dominating there. So, even if those mega threads are spam threads, there's also a kind of competition on who's avatar and signature dominates there. Your campaign participants not posting in those threads, could mean the project missing out in such unspoken competition.

Campaign managers will decide if you are qualified by looking at your profile. Writing a paragraph is pointless because even spammers are capable of writing a good enough description that might sound convincing to managers. To know if someone will provide good value to a campaign it is more important to check if someone has negative trust and whether their writing has an acceptable quality.

But there’s always some off-season talk, like in NBA threads - trade rumors and big news that get everyone hyped up. If it’s a league thread, it's almost guaranteed to become a mega-thread. One season lasts for months, and if you look at even just a generic post in the gambling discussion board, after just one day you’ll already see 3 to 4 pages of replies. People love posting, mostly to meet their campaign requirements. Now imagine a league thread, tons of teams, news, and speculation...the more stuff comes out, the more people talk. Honestly, these are the threads that really dig into the league. But once it becomes a mega-thread, it’s not great for advertisers looking to showcase their signatures.

Every campaign manager has their own way of picking participants. For yahoo62278, that’s just his style. Same goes for Hhampuz..from what I've seen in many of his campaigns, he only needs about 24 hours to choose who gets in. What really matters isn't how they pick, but whether they select quality posters. And at the end of the day, it's not up to us, it’s up to the campaign manager to choose who’ll represent the company best.

It's a double-edged sword. After all, it seems there's really not much to discuss about gambling. As a matter of fact, many of what's being discussed in the gambling section isn't about gambling. It's more apt to be called sports section. Strictly speaking, much of the posts are off-topic. Fortunately, however, you're requiring a low number of gambling posts per week. Had you required 10, for example, you'd be expecting a number of new threads on old topics.

As I was saying, it's probably better to have a thread for each match. If leagues, a thread per season. Shortly after a game or a season ends, the thread would be closed. This avoids mega threads that grow until forever. Sports don't end. Leagues don't end either. It also avoids muddled discussions.

That new approach isn't suitable for signature campaigns of this forum, the managers speculate members that they accept in a signature campaign and see the active contribution of that member overtime. If a members performs good in a signature campaign and he/she is active in the forum and makes enough number of posts on weekly basis then that member might be preferred to be part of the campaign for long term or for as long as a signature campaign is active.

There have been some signature campaigns where members have stayed in that campaign for more than 20 weeks and in some even more than that if I'm not wrong. Those members that stay in a signature campaign are the contributing members of the forum, and they're surely active members as well. And, I believe the present approach of campaign managers is still the best one to select the members in a signature campaign and it's working pretty well since long time.

The OPs suggestion was just a suggestion and not the best, but I'm not gonna fault him for giving his suggestion. I agreed that something needed done, so 1 thing I did implement into this campaign is no posts in megathreads in the gambling discussion section will count towards the post count. We have 10 or so soccer league threads and a few cricket threads that users can spam over a day or 2 and get their weekly post counts barely adding anything to a discussion. Maybe if they're forced to post elsewhere, they might find a topic they can contribute to in a more positive way.

I also looked through each users posts and if they posted mainly in those megathreads, they got skipped.

Only drawback is I hope this doesn't lead them to open more generic threads discussing what do we think about whatever silly topic they can come up with.

yahoo62278 launched a campaign recently and the campaign saw over 100 applications. If yahoo had used Op's suggestion, two things could have happened;

• Such number of applications wouldn't have happened. Maybe a lesser number would have bothered to write a formal application knowing too well that their chances of being accepted is limited.
• Yahoo would definitely use upto 5days to select participants.

LOL, well I would've loved the idea if it was refined more.

Applying for a signature campaign is different from applying for a job in the real world, in my opinion a signature campaign is like a company renting space for them to put their company's advertising banner and the owner of the place does not need to tell how to make the advertising banner read by many people because the tenant will find the best place where their promotion is read by many people, and the company will be represented by a campaign manager to assess which members can provide a lot of exposure to the promoted website, so what you suggest is not wrong, it just won't be very useful for the company or campaign manager to get participants who match their criteria.

Manager is supposed to recruit individuals for the campaign who they consider as capable of bringing more exposure to the signature they wear via quality posts and contribution so posting 200 or 500 words that impress is irrelevant.

I would say just post the rank and Bitcoin address that let the manager know that the person is interested and if they think you're the right person then they will accept your application for the slot and that's how it always has been.

This user probably assume that signature campaign participants are obligated to shill the project they are promoting in the addition to the signature code the user is wearing.

I found this suggestion useless since user can just use AI to generate an application statement that suitable for application while that part itself is not related to the job they are doing when they are accepted to the campaign.

I think the campaign manager itself is the one responsible on thinking about strategy on how will signature campaign will help his client by carefully choosing participants and adjusting rules based on the project needs.

Campaign managers are fully aware aware and familiar on the reputation of the members here and its not the ideology that the campaign managers are looking for; what managers are looking for is how they are active and knowledgeable on the topic on which they are participating in this forum, their behavior and status are what matter and this what generate leads for their clients.
And besides, there's a possibility of use of AI to come out with the best answer and even if participant has the best answer if he he is a spammer or a user of AI then its useless to use that format.

That might work, with a certain approach and method, but it shouldn't be called a signature campaign. Because the idea of Signature Campaign is for the participant to wear the signature that promote the project that pays them, while they are being active in the Bitcointalk forum, make the signature ads widely served to the other forum users. And this make the Bitcointalk signature campaign is unique to Bitcointalk, while OP's idea can be done anywhere outside the forum.

No, it seems that you missunderstood how exactly signature campaign works. You're not hired to be paid shill, they don't pay you to post positively about project. You're just renting your signature area.. It's like billboard on a highway.
Though, promoting something similar like vouching for project. If you will promote scam, you will have to take responsibility for it.

You are overthinking and trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. Signature promotion is about making your profile's space available for certain services to be visible in. It's like owning real estate in an area with a lot of traffic and with a huge wallet where you can place advertisements. The more attractive the location, the bigger your wall, and the cheaper you are, the more offers you will get. There is no need for sweet talk and beautiful pitches.

Companies want their ads visible on the forum. Campaign managers select those participants who possess qualities to show those ads in attractive sections of the forum and in the right way. That's all it is.

What do you mean? there's nothing can restrict anyone to become a campaign manager, even a brand new account and not buy copper membership can become a manager. Some people will suggest to buy copper membership in order make the image visible, ask to hire experienced manager or ask to escrow the funds.

But, if that newbie run a campaign with the highest reward, have paid the first week cycle and can sign a message from address that contain a lot Bitcoin, I'm sure most of users will jump into that campaign.

Rank doesn't matter.

I wonder why some people are so much aggressive or unnecessarily nasty. What is off topic in this thread? I didn't know this board, a moderator moved my topic to this place, atleast I have known this board now. If there is anything off topic here, it is your reply. You did not put any good effort in writing it, you just want to bash me because I am not a senior (higher) user. If someone is to use their alt to say something, it should be something that is controversial and not an ordinary suggestion.

In all, there is a mixed reaction in this thread, some are honestly and objective, while some are so mean like i touched something that is so sacred in the forum.
Please note, I am nobody's alt account or farm account as you guys might call it.

I am reading something that is making sense to me. The words in bold. Anyone should be promoting something they vouch for or something they understand. If it is different here, there is no problem. I am not totally out of place. I just made a sincere suggestion. Some people said I should become a campaign manager to implement my suggestion, it is a joke because you they know I cannot become a campaign manager.

The managers know what they're doing, if you look at how they manage. Not everyone is posting bunch of walls of texts and they like more of those posts to be engaging and as-is, not forcing to be lengthy which many think to be quality. I think most of them likes organic posts but informative.

Don't forget the experience on Web3 to apply for the signature campaign. Lol
If a format like the OP is desired then more nonsense will be created in order to promote advertising.
I think it is enough with the existing format, the rest of the manager will judge the feasibility.

This is the "hard thing" I'm referring to.

When I say don't work hard, I don’t mean spamming—I mean enjoying the forum and being an organic poster. It’s up to the campaign managers to decide if you fit what they’re looking for. For example, if the signature campaign is for a casino, the manager will likely prioritize active gambling posters. But if it requires the poster to shill for the casino and constantly lurk in the ANN thread, it’s not good for the project. It starts to look like incentivized posts, which we all know is against the forum rules.

I’ve seen many gambling campaigns where members don’t even post in the casino’s ANN thread—Stake is a great example. They’ve been running a long time, and the company knows that exposure across different boards on the forum is much better than people just posting in one place.


Being aware and vouching for the service you’re promoting is important, but you don’t have to constantly show it. At least have knowledge about the project you’re promoting so you’re not left in the dark when it comes up in discussions. I’ve noticed this too—many campaigns on the forum are signature campaigns for a casino/sportsbook, and I’ve seen members staying in these campaigns even though they’re not gamblers.

When it comes to vouching for what you’re promoting, especially if you're in a signature for a gambling platform, it feels odd when some members post things like:

1-"Is gambling addictive?"
2-"Maybe we shouldn’t gamble because it ruins lives?"
3-"Honestly, I’ll never gamble, I’ll just keep the money I earn from my signature campaign earnings."

Posts like these seem annoying (to me), because it feels like the user is anti-gambling, yet they still choose to promote it. And then there’s the case of users whose religion considers gambling a sin, yet they’re part of a gambling signature campaign. How do you even explain that? It’s a contradiction that doesn’t sit well, and it raises questions about their sincerity in promoting the service.

Cool, it makes a signature campaign application harder than applying for the presidency of a country.

Seriously, it's even irrelevant for a signature campaign applicant to explain how he/she's going to promote the company. It's a signature campaign, right? Also, why should a signature campaign participant worry about how to establish the brand in the forum? That's the job of a manager. That's the reason why there are campaign rules and a stringent process to vet applicants.

If you're the campaign manager, will you spend 3-4 hours of your time reading all of what the applicants will be saying? Also take note that there's also a thing called "AI" where they can just use it to give a 199-word paragraph on how they would promote the company.

Main point is that, as much as I want to agree with you, I will not spend hours and hours reading what other people are saying. I would like to see a change in getting new applicants for signature campaign although I don't know what it would be, and it's up to the campaign manager at the end of the day. As a person, it's pretty normal to be lazy at things. Just stop. That's would I want to say. Ideology? Opportunity to express themselves? AI can do it for them, and basically, the manager just wasted his time reading an essay that's been written by a bot.

Now I will ask you OP. Let's say that you're the campaign manager, will you spend hours and hours reading every single essay or paragraph that those participants will be saying? Also take note that in every campaign, there's an average of around 100 more or less applicants that are applying especially those new ones. Even you already know that more than half of them will just use AI. Just have a life OP.

I have a better suggestion. Let the managers contact Floxynice to select campaign participants for them.

Why do people deal with someone else's business? if you know better, be free and start it according to your own rules. Piece of cake.

It should be harder to be honest man. If it's made harder to get a spot in campaigns, maybe so many spammers won't be hired. I was always told getting a spot in a campaign is a privilege.

IMO if you are promoting a brand in your sig space, you are in a sense vouching for that service. If you do not believe in the service, you shouldn't be promoting it just because they are willing to hire you. Just my thoughts at least on the issue.

I agree that something new needs to be used, not sure if the OPs thought is what needs done, but I wouldn't be opposed to something new.

Lol you should have seen where OP originally posted this topic before it was moved by the moderators. I think they made the right call, the topic fits right here in this board. If the OP is truly part of an alt farm, he will eventually slip and get caught one day. There are already eyes on the account and making useless posts like this only increases suspicions about the account.

Lol, no. You'd be spamming the forum and such actions would backfire real fast-- pretty much how bitget has been hated by several members because of the bitget spammers lol. The main focus should be engaging/starting good discussions which are likely to be read by others.


See: [Guide] Factors to consider before joining paid signature campaigns.

Another off topic, thread, reason being that, this suggestion have nothing to do with project management a d promotion and also a signature campaign manager, just a baseless idealogy from an alt of someone who doesn't have the ball to post this with their real account.

Will the manager get better results, than a member's reputation on the forum if he is going to implement this? One member may have a good answer but if he lacks the status and the reputation to go along with it, what's the use of that good answer?
The current format is already good and effective; its really up to the appreciation of the manager, for who gets the privilege to get into the campaign.

Some people are just too serious for life…lol

Your post history is what the manager bases on to choose if you are suitable for the task, not some 200-word easy. I could make a sweet 200 word easy using ChatGPT, yet my post history is way so shitty or not in the boards the campaign manager expects me to post in.

The manager doesn't have to do this; they just need to look on the applicant's posting history and status on the forum, All they need is visibility of their banner on the applicant's account, not the ideology of the people.

And the answer is already given on the members' activity on the forum, We don't need this question and answer portion when applying because the manager is actually looking at the member's authority, reputation, and activity on the forum not to see how well they will answer the question given.
I don't think manager will ever use this format; they know better just by looking on the member's behavior here.

I don't think such complicated formats aren't necessary when it comes to signature campaign application, because the primary reason why companies come to run signature campaigns are for business exposure to the right audience, of which Bitcointalk happens to have the right audience for all Bitcoin/crypto related projects, and as such, managers have decided to choose only active users to promote, and the only way to know an active user is by the number of merits he/she has or post count.

This application has been implemented by the manager for years, the manager does not look at the ideology of the participants, all participants are determined based on Merit, the manager does not want to bother recruiting participants, the existing application makes it quite easy for participants and managers.

The manager doesn't care whether the participant registers on the site or not, they are free to make a choice, what the manager needs is the participant's contribution with quality posts that is enough to influence the company on the site.

The manager cannot accept your idea for reasons.
Campaigns don't always go according to plan, sometimes they only promote their site for one or four weeks,sometimes a year or more depending on the situation, The manager does not want to burden participants in reviewing the site, it adds work for the manager and participants, the existing application is adequate and it is the best of all time.

I should add online courses on casinos and other training certificate together with conference presentations or research publications.

The OP may have seen the way some CM go about it and think it is some kind of employment. I wouldn't blame him maybe because of the similarities in the terms used in the job search market. They include - application, selection, etc.

Op applying for a campaign isn't like applying for a white collar job in real life. Let's look at the stats in fact, campaigns with good pay rates literally get over 150 replies in the thread as applications just at the time of launch. Now my question for you op is if you are a campaign manager will you be able to go through the stress of reading through all the applications one by one to see what they have to say which would be an obvious repetition? When you haven't even checked their profiles to see who is worth working with?

Even top members that apply for campaign contracts by creating a thread don't write like an application letter besides what are you going to say? I'm a quality poster or I will advertise your brand ......blah blah well a quality poster's profile speaks for itself. Managers check their applicants posting style and quality not the lies you would probably write in an application.

Life itself is exam already mate. Aren't we tired of writing exams? Imagine passing through exams in your college days and here you are trying to introduce another exam again.

By the way, do you think there's another way to promote a brand in this forum aside wearing their signature and post? Which other approach do you expect applicants to explain in their essays?

Perhaps, something like this:

Hey manager,
I'm interested in participating in this campaign.
I will reach out to all forum users via dm or whatsoever way possible and convince them to make use of this so and so platform. Hire me and see how the entire forum members register on their platform. Best regards

Well, you might wait to become a campaign manager and use such method to choose participants.

I'm grateful that the campaign I joined didn't force me to write that kind shitty explanation and not restrict me to post whatever I want.

@OP I hope you will not become a campaign manager now and in the future.

Yep, also don't forgot that minimum Master's Degree of Computer Science, minimum of 5 years working experience, maximum 30 years old, and the sex must be male.

I am totally not aware of what you have said. I have thought that when you wear the signature of a project, you have the obligation to promote the project and talk positive about it all over the forum. This believe of mine had already developed many questions in my mind that I kept to myself because it seems that people threaten and shot new people up with tag and no one will do anything about it.
I have been thinking that if I wear the signature of a project this month and say all positive things about the project and the campaign ends and another project hires me, and I will begin to promote the new project. My timeline will just be posts contradicting one another because of different campaigns I have promoted.
With what @Wapfika and others have said, it means people that are not gamblers can also wear the signature of casino and promote them.
Is there a link where I can read about signature campaign because it is not mentioned in the forum rules.

When you are specifying the answer for a signature campaign then you already know how the members are promoting it. Your suggestion does not make sense at all.

Do you realize that signature campaign is not allowed to directly promote the project which they are wearing signature code on their actual post. They can suggest the casino but not to the point of shilling it so asking about objective question on how they can help the casino is not that necessary.

The current format of campaign manager is already enough since they based on post quality, trust score and merit to hire a user.

Besides, it’s easy to copy someone answer and just rephrase it. Also there might be a problem in the future for the plagiarism since all application is public while it’s very hard to construct new answer if all possible good answer is already use as application answer.

This kind of interview will work only on private interview in my opinion.

Campaign managers can have different approaches. Why not become a campaign manager and do it your own way. That is a better idea. You can not tell campaign managers what to do and what not to do. But if you want to be different, come with a campaign on this forum.

But, about your question, it is not necessary. They way it is now is better. What that is needed are the people that applied, not what they wrote for applying for a campaign.

This is not a meta topic, you should move it to reputation or service discussion.

How will this help the manager select better participants? Managers just need the post history of the user as a guide to choosing the best users for their campaign. An AI generated pitch does not show who will be able to post better and wearing a signature is indirect promotion, you are not actually posting about the casino, just posting naturally and displaying the signature.

- Jay -

Go to any signature campaign thread on the forum, you will find they all have one thing in common.  The campaign dictates the sections of the forum where they want their brand to be represented. They have done the research and know they can get the most in those sections. Also managers can tell a lot about applicants through their post history, merit history and trust ratings.

You forgot to add that we should submit our CV or any school certificates to the application I guess it will be better that way. Hope you are aware that the signature campaigns are more like promotions online and not some kind of jobs? Every manager has a style of choosing his participants.

I think that you've misunderstood what's this about.
Via signature campaigns people usually offer their signature space for advertising. Of course, saying nice words (or even plainly advertising) in the posts is appreciated, but in many (maybe most) cases is not a must.

What you were talking would be more an application for being some sort of ambassador. And imho many companies/platforms tackle those with ambassador skills via affiliate/reference links.

This will bring more tasks to campaign managers and as human, nobody want to have more works to do.

They can check applicants in many things: post history, post quality, post quantity, favorite and regular posting boards, earned merit and sometimes maybe reputation (trust score). These things are enough for campaign managers to assess applicants and pick ones that are best for their campaigns.

Your suggestion will force applicants to write many stories that managers don't want to waste time for reading. It's hard to verify content is true or fiction while through checking post history, campaign managers can know about capability of applicants.

Applying for a signature campaign isn’t like getting a real-life job--come on, you're making it harder for us!

Some participants in signature campaigns aren’t even actively promoting the signature they’re wearing. It’s just that--a signature campaign. You wear it so it’s visible to forum readers, but there’s no direct promotion involved. Plus, it's against the rules to shill for the company you're representing in your signature anyway if I'm not mistaken.

Just keep it chill while enjoying our participation in the forum.

I have seen one method of application for campaign in the forum which all the campaign managers follow, which is;

Forum profile link:
Rank:
Merit earned in 120 days:
Bitcoin address:

How about if a manager decides to use a different format. Like;

So and so exchange or casino wants to promote their brand in the forum, in not more than 200 words, apply and tell how you would promote the company and help it to establish in the forum within 4 weeks.

I think this will give the applicants the opportunity to express themselves and even the manager would know the ideology of the people promoting the project.