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Topic: NEW Dutchmining.nl POOL - No Fee Pool. (Read 6094 times)

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February 01, 2016, 12:51:14 PM
#61
POOL IS CLOSING DOWN ON 1 february 2016.
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January 17, 2016, 03:23:48 AM
#60
Will somebody  try to mine with me? I also need 300000BTC like by cryptsy.com, they say it'seems stolen by them is that right? Please give it a try by me! Don't scam or flame of anymore!.... ☺
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January 09, 2016, 04:01:58 PM
#59
Still "mining" strong!!...  Smiley
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January 08, 2016, 05:14:49 AM
#58
You can still can mine here!  Look is okay by now.  Mining with no fee!, give your hash rate some shot here!!... ☺

Hi Stoneboy,

I think it might help your situation in gaining the trust of potential miners if you made full disclosure of your real name and address/telephone number as well perhaps provide a few references which can be verified by a third party (e.g: bank reference, lawyer, etc...). I get it that most here in this community like to remain anonymous but as a person who claims to wish to be a pool operator I think you need to accept the fact that you must trade some of that anonymity for full-disclosure to give comfort to potential "investors" in your enterprise that you will not run away when the first block hits. Escrowing 25 BTC with a trusted member here would also be a good idea to further cement faith but after reading your thread here it sounds like this might be financially not possible for you.

Like you I am also new to this forum but I can see after reading a number of threads that there have been a number of scams pulled on members here which understandably makes potential miners for your site quite cautious. The recent difficulties you have had in getting the site started as well the fact that you yourself are not mining your own site makes things even more suspicious!

I am curious also, I believe the Netherlands has similar website disclosure laws as are found in Germany...are you not legally required to disclose  your name, address and contact information when using a .nl extension on a site that is hosted in the Netherlands?

Best of luck.

Andy

You are absolutely right, never indeed to be not open. I didn't know it was so difficult and that be "scam off" when trying to start your own pool. I thought bitcoin community is open source, where people like to help is eachother, so that's reason I started it. By doing it (deploying a dutch mining pool) grow and learning and help people and Lear from eachother techniques. But I occluded it is hard for a newbie, but ever one was once a newbie here....

Boy Smiley

BTW. Just mining by myself now, waiting for others, don''t be so hard on me, it is just 2016!...
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January 07, 2016, 08:55:24 PM
#57
You can still can mine here!  Look is okay by now.  Mining with no fee!, give your hash rate some shot here!!... ☺

Hi Stoneboy,

I think it might help your situation in gaining the trust of potential miners if you made full disclosure of your real name and address/telephone number as well perhaps provide a few references which can be verified by a third party (e.g: bank reference, lawyer, etc...). I get it that most here in this community like to remain anonymous but as a person who claims to wish to be a pool operator I think you need to accept the fact that you must trade some of that anonymity for full-disclosure to give comfort to potential "investors" in your enterprise that you will not run away when the first block hits. Escrowing 25 BTC with a trusted member here would also be a good idea to further cement faith but after reading your thread here it sounds like this might be financially not possible for you.

Like you I am also new to this forum but I can see after reading a number of threads that there have been a number of scams pulled on members here which understandably makes potential miners for your site quite cautious. The recent difficulties you have had in getting the site started as well the fact that you yourself are not mining your own site makes things even more suspicious!

I am curious also, I believe the Netherlands has similar website disclosure laws as are found in Germany...are you not legally required to disclose  your name, address and contact information when using a .nl extension on a site that is hosted in the Netherlands?

Best of luck.

Andy
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January 06, 2016, 02:15:08 AM
#56
You can still can mine here!  Look is okay by now.  Mining with no fee!, give your hash rate some shot here!!... ☺
member
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January 04, 2016, 01:18:01 PM
#55
Varr & shares are okay now! Enjoy mining!!...  Smiley
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January 03, 2016, 08:13:27 AM
#54
And we are up again! Mine today for free!! 😆
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January 01, 2016, 01:06:16 PM
#53
Site is down for maintenance!!...
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December 31, 2015, 03:45:21 AM
#52
Efficiency 44.59% Huh
Some tips to solve it? Thanks.

But i'm working on i't to get site better!
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December 31, 2015, 02:28:23 AM
#51
Efficiency 44.59% Huh
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December 30, 2015, 02:32:21 PM
#50
Some users have too resigned/register again, i am sorry for that!...
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December 30, 2015, 11:53:48 AM
#49
Whatever you did didn't help at all.  Efficiency is worse now, links are still bad and users who used to show up as having shares no longer do.

I think you need to reevaluate and that perhaps running a pool is not suited to you.


Some adjusments made , shares are going up.
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December 30, 2015, 05:52:44 AM
#48
Site is Up and running!...

Corrections will be made, for beter improvement!

Cheers!  Smiley
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December 29, 2015, 10:51:31 PM
#47
Whatever you did didn't help at all.  Efficiency is worse now, links are still bad and users who used to show up as having shares no longer do.

I think you need to reevaluate and that perhaps running a pool is not suited to you.

Site will be down for awhile! 😢
legendary
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Mine at Jonny's Pool
December 29, 2015, 08:34:27 PM
#46
Whatever you did didn't help at all.  Efficiency is worse now, links are still bad and users who used to show up as having shares no longer do.

I think you need to reevaluate and that perhaps running a pool is not suited to you.
member
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December 29, 2015, 08:03:20 PM
#45
Can somewhere  test this pool right now?
Some idea hoe too get better shares in the pool?

Mining right now too..

Thanks Anyway!
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December 29, 2015, 06:39:07 PM
#44
Edit the subject line of the first post...

Solved! ☺And testing the shares now...
legendary
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Mine at Jonny's Pool
December 29, 2015, 05:41:59 PM
#43
Edit the subject line of the first post...
member
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December 29, 2015, 05:23:02 PM
#42
And maybe correct the title of this thread (if you can) ;-)

It says dutchmiming...

How to do that?
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December 29, 2015, 05:20:20 PM
#41
And maybe correct the title of this thread (if you can) ;-)

It says dutchmiming...
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December 29, 2015, 03:25:14 PM
#40
You really need to take a look at your pool.  It's a mess.  More than half of the shares are rejected (your efficiency is 47%).  The expected next difficulty is way off.  Your links go to dead sites or unknown pages.

Just a suggestion.

You right!, site will go offline by now.... I will look into it to solve the problem(s), till then the site is offline...
legendary
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Mine at Jonny's Pool
December 29, 2015, 02:43:22 PM
#39
You really need to take a look at your pool.  It's a mess.  More than half of the shares are rejected (your efficiency is 47%).  The expected next difficulty is way off.  Your links go to dead sites or unknown pages.

Just a suggestion.
member
Activity: 69
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December 29, 2015, 08:43:14 AM
#38
You can still mine here for free, try it!

Just curious...why are you not mining there?


Sold my bitcoin mining machine for a good price, looking for a new bit coin miner for good price anyone has a good advice? But second hand in the Netherlands is less offer with good machines and hashrate....

Mining now with my first orginal butterfly labs machine at 7.935 GHZ!! was "alot" at time... Smiley only machine at home this moment. Cheers  Smiley
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Activity: 69
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December 29, 2015, 07:41:50 AM
#37
You can still mine here for free, try it!

Just curious...why are you not mining there?


Sold my bitcoin mining machine for a good price, looking for a new bit coin miner for good price anyone has a good advice? But second hand in the Netherlands is less offer with good machines and hashrate....
full member
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December 29, 2015, 07:04:53 AM
#36
You can still mine here for free, try it!

Just curious...why are you not mining there?
hero member
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December 29, 2015, 07:04:04 AM
#35
Am to try it, who knows it might be beautiful
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December 29, 2015, 06:51:37 AM
#34
You can still mine here for free, try it!
member
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December 26, 2015, 04:30:12 PM
#33
connection problems,and a lot of Invalid,constantly falls off miner from the mining

Must be solved now (connections problems, ect.) try it!  Smiley

the same problem,I got the loot begins with a backup and then connect to your server,and diff is problematic,I tried renting my S3 THEY ALSO are UNABLE to CONNECT


Should work now! You can test it for free! ☺
Good


Thanks for trying and reporting!
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December 26, 2015, 01:23:25 PM
#32
connection problems,and a lot of Invalid,constantly falls off miner from the mining

Must be solved now (connections problems, ect.) try it!  Smiley

the same problem,I got the loot begins with a backup and then connect to your server,and diff is problematic,I tried renting my S3 THEY ALSO are UNABLE to CONNECT


Should work now! You can test it for free! ☺
Good
member
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Merit: 10
December 26, 2015, 01:22:03 PM
#31
connection problems,and a lot of Invalid,constantly falls off miner from the mining

Must be solved now (connections problems, ect.) try it!  Smiley

the same problem,I got the loot begins with a backup and then connect to your server,and diff is problematic,I tried renting my S3 THEY ALSO are UNABLE to CONNECT


Should work now! You can test it for free! ☺
sr. member
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December 25, 2015, 10:21:29 AM
#30
connection problems,and a lot of Invalid,constantly falls off miner from the mining

Must be solved now (connections problems, ect.) try it!  Smiley

the same problem,I got the loot begins with a backup and then connect to your server,and diff is problematic,I tried renting my S3 THEY ALSO are UNABLE to CONNECT
member
Activity: 69
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December 25, 2015, 10:03:59 AM
#29
connection problems,and a lot of Invalid,constantly falls off miner from the mining

Must be solved now (connections problems, ect.) try it!  Smiley
member
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December 25, 2015, 08:00:37 AM
#28
connection problems,and a lot of Invalid,constantly falls off miner from the mining

Strange I have a very good connection here which port you are? 
Invalid I could not figure out what it could be, some advice from someone?
sr. member
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December 25, 2015, 07:14:17 AM
#27
connection problems,and a lot of Invalid,constantly falls off miner from the mining
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December 24, 2015, 09:31:54 AM
#26
I will not do that, Bitcoin crypt is open source for everyone! I'm free to join this forumsite and learn the technical aspects from it. BTW freedom and helping eachother is a big good! That's why my site has no fee. I will stay here! Enjoy your X-mas time! ☺



I just threw my S 1 is not long,the difficulty comes to diff 64 and disabled,I have a Valid 255.000.... BTC Est. Earnings 19.428112290000 ....looks like I am very rich Wink in General many problems
I do not understand is that you find S1 block?Huh
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December 24, 2015, 07:27:41 AM
#25
You can mining you machines at the www.dutchmining.nl by Christmas for free (No fee) at least take a look and try!! Put some of your hashrate here, and post your comments here! Have a nice and fine Christmas time! Cheers!! ☺
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December 23, 2015, 05:13:19 AM
#24
Read this first http://blockgen.net/blog/novices-guide-to-setting-up-a-crypto-currency-mining-pool/ it works for me after playing with  A month to figure it out for solo mining bitcoins.

Good luck!!, and if you need any help you can find me here. Wink
OK so we can see where this pool is heading ...

Yeah it some basically based on this 😊 and personally talking & advicing with Zach and AltCrypto.
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December 23, 2015, 05:09:42 AM
#23
I will not do that, Bitcoin crypt is open source for everyone! I'm free to join this forumsite and learn the technical aspects from it. BTW freedom and helping eachother is a big good! That's why my site has no fee. I will stay here! Enjoy your X-mas time! ☺


Well, you are right, it is free for you.

It is also free for the "User" to NOT to use it.

Have a nice Christmass Trickyricky Stonedboy (how can you be a boy with 52)

 Grin

Because I still feel young!!
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December 23, 2015, 04:41:40 AM
#22
I will not do that, Bitcoin crypt is open source for everyone! I'm free to join this forumsite and learn the technical aspects from it. BTW freedom and helping eachother is a big good! That's why my site has no fee. I will stay here! Enjoy your X-mas time! ☺


Well, you are right, it is free for you.

It is also free for the "User" to NOT to use it.

Have a nice Christmass Trickyricky Stonedboy (how can you be a boy with 52)

 Grin
legendary
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December 23, 2015, 04:26:29 AM
#21
Read this first http://blockgen.net/blog/novices-guide-to-setting-up-a-crypto-currency-mining-pool/ it works for me after playing with  A month to figure it out for solo mining bitcoins.

Good luck!!, and if you need any help you can find me here. Wink
OK so we can see where this pool is heading ...
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December 23, 2015, 03:43:57 AM
#20
I will not do that, Bitcoin crypt is open source for everyone! I'm free to join this forumsite and learn the technical aspects from it. BTW freedom and helping eachother is a big good! That's why my site has no fee. I will stay here! Enjoy your X-mas time! ☺



I just threw my S 1 is not long,the difficulty comes to diff 64 and disabled,I have a Valid 255.000.... BTC Est. Earnings 19.428112290000 ....looks like I am very rich Wink in General many problems
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December 23, 2015, 03:36:25 AM
#19
I will not do that, Bitcoin crypt is open source for everyone! I'm free to join this forumsite and learn the technical aspects from it. BTW freedom and helping eachother is a big good! That's why my site has no fee. I will stay here! Enjoy your X-mas time! ☺
member
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December 23, 2015, 03:31:35 AM
#18
You are asking people to point their mining hardware to your pool.  If your pool hits a block, that coin goes into your pool's wallet.  Effectively, you are responsible and holding on to 25BTC that belong to the community.

What's to stop you from taking those coins and running?  It's certainly been done before (hence the reference to Nexious).  You are a brand new account.  People want some measure of security that you aren't going to screw them.  Escrowing that 25 coins is a way to provide people with that security.

Thanks for making your point, it's clear but i'm not runner I am learner! Trust will always grow and is two sides...

Yea, famous words also spoken by Nexious who has not been back to these forums since running off with 25 btc in rewards...

Thanks! I build this site with somebody who is known on this site and he learned me alot!  I'm 52 years old, so please some respect here. This was a big challenge for me... I certainly learn slot here I watched slot of posts already here. Thanks Anyway! Give it a try and let's help each others!


Okay so you had help from a long term well known person on this site.   Ask him or her to reveal his identity .

Also if you can not escrow 25 btc for the first block and you live in NL  find a way to Secure the funds or  get yourself vetted. Do it on the NL threads.
sr. member
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December 23, 2015, 03:08:59 AM
#17
FYI this pool is mining to the generation address 1B3LAErzdpPBGqgCgEG33LEmj9S3m5Kjj9.

So, what will it say accordingly to you?

That's the address block's found by your pool will be mined to, I'm posting it because pools like Nexious have run off with a block before.
legendary
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December 22, 2015, 11:40:23 PM
#16
You are asking people to point their mining hardware to your pool.  If your pool hits a block, that coin goes into your pool's wallet.  Effectively, you are responsible and holding on to 25BTC that belong to the community.

What's to stop you from taking those coins and running?  It's certainly been done before (hence the reference to Nexious).  You are a brand new account.  People want some measure of security that you aren't going to screw them.  Escrowing that 25 coins is a way to provide people with that security.

Thanks for making your point, it's clear but i'm not runner I am learner! Trust will always grow and is two sides...

Yea, famous words also spoken by Nexious who has not been back to these forums since running off with 25 btc in rewards...

Thanks! I build this site with somebody who is known on this site and he learned me alot!  I'm 52 years old, so please some respect here. This was a big challenge for me... I certainly learn slot here I watched slot of posts already here. Thanks Anyway! Give it a try and let's help each others!


Okay so you had help from a long term well known person on this site.   Ask him or her to reveal his identity .

Also if you can not escrow 25 btc for the first block and you live in NL  find a way to Secure the funds or  get yourself vetted. Do it on the NL threads.
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December 22, 2015, 06:50:46 PM
#15
You are asking people to point their mining hardware to your pool.  If your pool hits a block, that coin goes into your pool's wallet.  Effectively, you are responsible and holding on to 25BTC that belong to the community.

What's to stop you from taking those coins and running?  It's certainly been done before (hence the reference to Nexious).  You are a brand new account.  People want some measure of security that you aren't going to screw them.  Escrowing that 25 coins is a way to provide people with that security.

Thanks for making your point, it's clear but i'm not runner I am learner! Trust will always grow and is two sides...

Yea, famous words also spoken by Nexious who has not been back to these forums since running off with 25 btc in rewards...

Thanks! I build this site with somebody who is known on this site and he learned me alot!  I'm 52 years old, so please some respect here. This was a big challenge for me... I certainly learn slot here I watched slot of posts already here. Thanks Anyway! Give it a try and let's help each others!
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December 22, 2015, 04:44:58 PM
#14
You are asking people to point their mining hardware to your pool.  If your pool hits a block, that coin goes into your pool's wallet.  Effectively, you are responsible and holding on to 25BTC that belong to the community.

What's to stop you from taking those coins and running?  It's certainly been done before (hence the reference to Nexious).  You are a brand new account.  People want some measure of security that you aren't going to screw them.  Escrowing that 25 coins is a way to provide people with that security.

Thanks for making your point, it's clear but i'm not runner I am learner! Trust will always grow and is two sides...

Yea, famous words also spoken by Nexious who has not been back to these forums since running off with 25 btc in rewards...
member
Activity: 69
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December 22, 2015, 04:41:27 PM
#13
You are asking people to point their mining hardware to your pool.  If your pool hits a block, that coin goes into your pool's wallet.  Effectively, you are responsible and holding on to 25BTC that belong to the community.

What's to stop you from taking those coins and running?  It's certainly been done before (hence the reference to Nexious).  You are a brand new account.  People want some measure of security that you aren't going to screw them.  Escrowing that 25 coins is a way to provide people with that security.

Thanks for making your point, it's clear but i'm not runner I am learner! Trust will always grow and is two sides...
legendary
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Mine at Jonny's Pool
December 22, 2015, 04:00:43 PM
#12
You are asking people to point their mining hardware to your pool.  If your pool hits a block, that coin goes into your pool's wallet.  Effectively, you are responsible and holding on to 25BTC that belong to the community.

What's to stop you from taking those coins and running?  It's certainly been done before (hence the reference to Nexious).  You are a brand new account.  People want some measure of security that you aren't going to screw them.  Escrowing that 25 coins is a way to provide people with that security.
member
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December 22, 2015, 03:58:00 PM
#11
Yet, you expect the community as a whole to trust you with 25 of their coins?

What do you mean? I don't understand it....
legendary
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Mine at Jonny's Pool
December 22, 2015, 03:43:16 PM
#10
Yet, you expect the community as a whole to trust you with 25 of their coins?
member
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December 22, 2015, 03:38:23 PM
#9
Yes, it would be nice if 'Stoneboy' write his advertisement also
in the local section and in dutch please.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=79.0

And do not forget to send 25 BTC to the escrow of your choice.

See here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betaanonymous0-fee-fiztonic-bitcoin-mining-server-1256779




Just did the first. te second i can't,  i don't have 25 BTC....
legendary
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December 22, 2015, 02:59:07 PM
#8
Yes, it would be nice if 'Stoneboy' write his advertisement also
in the local section and in dutch please.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=79.0

And do not forget to send 25 BTC to the escrow of your choice.

See here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betaanonymous0-fee-fiztonic-bitcoin-mining-server-1256779

sr. member
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December 22, 2015, 02:22:21 PM
#7
Good luck.

With the number of new user, new pool scams going around you'll find it tough sledding here when it comes to getting miners on your side.

Do a search on these forums for Nexious and go read his pool posts and you'll see why.
sr. member
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December 22, 2015, 11:52:05 AM
#6
FYI this pool is mining to the generation address 1B3LAErzdpPBGqgCgEG33LEmj9S3m5Kjj9.
legendary
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December 22, 2015, 10:16:38 AM
#5
 Cheesy Nice try, and no word in dutch on the page.

En niiet een post in de locale sectie?

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December 22, 2015, 09:28:21 AM
#4
No one should be stupid enough to mine BTC with a GPU or CPU so I think you better correct that post saying it is BTC ...


Correct it!! Thanks!  Cheesy
legendary
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December 22, 2015, 09:23:55 AM
#3
No one should be stupid enough to mine BTC with a GPU or CPU so I think you better correct that post saying it is BTC ...
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
December 22, 2015, 09:11:42 AM
#2
WHO are you?
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December 22, 2015, 08:13:03 AM
#1
********************* D U T C H M I N I N G. N L ****************************

  
NO FEE, NO FEE,  it's FREE!

Looking for Testers, Users to put some hashrate here and post your comments and improvements here. That's why is free!!

Server Features and options
        * No fee, payments it's all yours!
        * Only thing is too comment here with your solution(s) to improve our pool.
        * Virtual Private Server on fast SDD with enough bandwith running in a Dutch serverroom.
   * Stratum Mining Protocol.
   * Variable Difficulty.
   * Minimum Difficulty.
   * Idle Notification.
   * Automatic Payouts.
   * Full precision payouts.
   * On-demand payouts.
   * Faster credited rewards.
        * Mines in BTC

Go here: www.dutchmining.nl

Comments and futher progress will be posted here.


1. Create account.
•Register here, or login if you already have account
•Create a worker that will be used by the miner to login

2. Configure your BTC miner:

If your using Linux, Then type the following into the console:
•CGMiner
./cgminer -o stratum+tcp://dutchmining.nl:3333 -u Weblogin.WorkerName -p WorkerPassword
•BFGMiner
./bfgminer -o stratum+tcp://dutchmining.nl:3333 -u Weblogin.WorkerName -p WorkerPassword


If you want to mine on a  Windows Operating System, then you'll need to create a batch file to start your miner.

Simply open notepad and then copy and paste the following:
•CGMiner
cgminer -o stratum+tcp://dutchmining.nl:3333 -u Weblogin.WorkerName -p WorkerPassword
•BFGMiner
bfgminer -o stratum+tcp://dutchmining.nl:3333 -u Weblogin.WorkerName -p WorkerPassword
•MinerD
minerd -a -t 6 -s 4 -o stratum+tcp://dutchmining.nl:3333 -u Weblogin.WorkerName -p WorkerPassword


You then need to change "-u Weblogin.Worker -p Worker password" to reflect your own account. Eg, "-u Steve.StevesWorker -p StevesWorkerPassword" then go to "File > Save as" and save the file as "RunMe.bat" in the same folder containing your miners application files. You are now ready to mine, double click on "RunMe.bat" to start mining. If you want, you can create additional workers with usernames and passwords of your choice here





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