Topic: New investigation on Satoshi Nakamoto & the Origins of Bitcoin (Read 354 times)

Well, we do not have to worry too much as Satoshi Nakamoto was clever enough to leave it up to himself whether to come out. My book showes that any speculation needs to be eventually confirmed by him, or would you know any method of positive proof without Satoshi Nakamoto's voluntary cooperation?

I'm  sure if you truly want to see bitcoin  stay anonymous then you shouldn't be interested or bothered over the identity  of Satoshi and I personally haven't imagined Satoshi to ne anybody  rather rather I've always seen him as a God  in human form who has helped to protect the security  and identity  of people.
Don't you think the originator of an asset which is globally accepted will be at risk if his true identity  is been reviewed ? Please you guys should think about this and let your curiosity die off so we can all enjoy the cure purpose of bitcoin  which is helping  people have fully control  of their money  without a third-party or government.

How do you identify "who Satoshi Nakamoto is"? Let's say is was Joe Bloggs, and he is already deceased, what is the point. I personally would prefer him staying anonymous, but understand how and why he created Bitcoin. I also understand that for lots of Bitcoiners are only interested in the financial side, which is fine, but people like me are curious about its social and cultural aspects, too, and mankind has always been driven by pure curiousity, even beyond immediately practical purpose.

I looked into this as well. Overall I think Satoshi Nakamoto took good care of protexting his pseudonymity, so ieven if his real name was fielded, which might have happened in my book (which is now also available as an ebook on Amazon), he can simply deny as I cannot imagine any unambiguous evidence linking his name to creator of Bitcoin. What might be beneficial for Bitcoin is to clarify who is not Satoshi Nakamoto, whether through false nominations or self-claims.

Well, the identity might not matter so much, but you might understand that some people want to learn more about the origins of a cultural artefact and belief system that Bitcoin has become by now. Just leave it up to everybody whether they want to get into it.

This is a funny and weak approach to finding out who Satoshi Nakamoto who is the founder of Bitcoin was. This your hypothesis and research is never sufficient for me to wnat to check for further findings from you.
If the government that had been trying so hard to find out who Satoshi Nakamoto was and could not find an answer to there research, how possible do you think you can do this with a proper evidence.

What do you think will happen to Bitcoin if the founder who is Satoshi is known to the public? This wi drastically affect the price of Bitcoin and make people not to have interest in Bitcoin and what the crypto market could impact.

I don't know why people are really wanting to know who Satoshi is,  because I just know that humans are just too troublesome and the moment they finally discover who Satoshi is, there are possibilities  that people will want to start persecuting him for some unreasonable reasons.

Personally  I don't see any reason to wanting to know the real identity  of Satoshi as long as it doesn't affect the volatility  of bitcoin, and I also think that the anonymity of the founder  of bitcoin, Satoshi  is one major reason bitvoon has been trusted this far as no singular person  is seen as been in charge.

Upon all the numbers of projects running on the blockchain today that have team members and the world knows who they are, which one is really decentralized as Bitcoin? Do you know the kind of forces that are ruling this centralized force? Bitcoin worked and it's the only decentralized currency that comes to the rescue, nothing comes this close, so I don't care who Satoshi Nakamoto really is, what he created is a real success against centralized authorities, I appreciate him, case closed.

Thanks for this - Bitcoin would also be the first "global" item on the cultural heritage list.
 I am a non-native speaker indeed, cultivate my accent, and am not anonymous / pseudononymous, so people can easily access my public profile and find out about my native country.

You make a great case for Bitcoin becoming UNESCO world heritage.
The cool thing about it: Compared to other artworks, buildings, cities etc that are UNESCO world heritage already, there is no concern that the blockchain may be disassembled or destroyed in any way - no matter if it is recognized by any such organizitation or not.
Your English is quite good, there are some things you could work on, most prominently "psychology" - the p is silent. The way you pronounce certain words does give away your native language I believe.

I enjoyed hearing about the parallels you see in Bitcoin in comparison to other sociological phenomena. Entertaining on a high intellectual level, well done.

I appreciate youtr comment, eh creator of Bitcoin was indeed so clever that uncovering his identity is probably not possible. This effort might have actually been somewhat less complicated than at least I initially thought. Still, the myth around his identity is a paramount part of the financial phenomenon and cultural artefact he created - there are not many pieces of code that made it into public discussion. So my investigation will take you down this rabbit hole, and in particular help you clearly dismiss false nominations and irritating self-claims - in my opinion all candidates fielded so far are not Satoshi Nakamoto, and that is not necessarily because that they would not have had the technical competence, genius, or mindset to do so.

That is what we can do for now to speculate because Satoshi is too smart to not leave any solid evidence which will unlock his identity. Bitcoin whitepaper must be for Bitcoin, like on how it works but what we have here is a summary of new investigations that Satoshi Nakamoto could be this or that guy. Many of us are curious about the true identity of the founder of Bitcoin but not all are motivated enough to investigate further like the OP.

The government and the bank, wants to find out who is the true Satoshi maybe because they want to arrest him because they don't like his creation. This could also be the reason on why Satoshi choose to be anonymous.

Please refer to my previous comments. There are way more intriguing questions in the story of Bitcoin than the formal name of its creator. I tapped a bit into this in teh series, e.g., in Part 5/5, and quite extensively in my ebook at www.satoshinakamoto.be. For some people it is also about a facts-based analysis why essentially all current nominations and self-claims are wrong, and there is good evvidence why the beautiful origin myth implanted by the ingenious Satoshi Nakamoto might be preserved for good.

Honestly at this point what good would it do to find the true creator of Bitcoin? What would the world benefit from that? I honestly think it would do more harm than good....

Well, teh choice depends on what you are looking for.  The issue is that there are no simple answers, and expecting a definite answer to who is Satoshi Nakamoto is naive - and mrom my point of view futile without the creator of Bitcoin, or a credible eye wirness, stepping forward. I know you get the most clicks / sales by making a claim on knowing the person, but this is all bogus. I am actually more interested about the origin of Bitcoin, like technologies, idealogies and psychologies that all came together to enable and inspire Satoshi Nakamoto, and to make Bitcoin on eof the most disruptive, unexpected, and unprecedentedthe success story we have observed unfolding over more than a decade.
The ebook screens about 30 profile in quite some detail, showing that the putative profile I presented fits, to a large extent, to an astonishing number of people from all walks of life at the time. You only get a short glimps of a selection of more first tier "names" in the 4th part, but I omitted the dark horses so far, as just throughing these names in the ring without a related profile does not make sense. Still, I habve been told that the "1-in-a-billion" filter slide in the middle of the 4th part might be the most revealing element, so you might want to consider this episode if you do not have the time.
Those who are just searching for a unjustified nomination will not find what they want in my work, as there are way more interesting aspects than Satoshi Nakamoto's formal identity. You will certainly revognize that pretty much all nominations proposed so far can be dismissed as false based on hard facts, and dark horses cannot be confirmed owing to a lack of information to run against the exclusion filter.

Okay, now this is intruiging. I (and I think a lot of folks) don't just have so much time on their hands to just watch all the videos.

Unless you veto this, I'll first watch your final video, "the bigger picture". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxXG62R6gSw
If I enjoy it, I may schedule some time to also check out the other videos.

Do you actually draw any conclusions regarding Satoshi?

I appreciate your comment, but I am sure you would change your mind after watching all videos, and at least skimming through the ebook. You might also want to factor in that some insiders, people who were corresponding with directly Satoshi Nakamoto or the famous cypherpunks often suspected to have created Bitcoin, already responded to me, finding my ebook very useful with new facts, conclusions, and profiles. Note that of course the videos can only be a high-level overview of some of the content of my ebook with ~300 pages of text plus ~3500 mostly hperlinked references, and AI-supported context. The story is very complex, as the ingenious inventor of Bitcoin was very clever, and lucky, too. If you are not interested, this is OK, in a free community everybody can decide on their own whether they bother about new contributions.

Did you really expected that a trillion dollar currency market filled with tens and tens of millions of people wouldn't be able to find something a guy could do a research on and find? I mean OP did something typical, he collected all the information in a single place, nothing new, however the only thing he might be considered good for is he collected them in a single place that we rarely see, not that it hasn't been done before, but it hasn't been a common thing, you find these information spread all around online, with this at least it's in a single place.

Aside from that of course there are no new information, there couldn't be one, we don't get to find it, if there is anything, it has been unearthed by someone already.

Well, it depends on how you define "use". Factually you are correct with the details; however, I took "use" as that Satoshi Nakamoto contacted Adam Back on hashcash, as far as we know the first person he ever reached out to regarding his Bictoin project, and cited hashcash in the whitepaper, while omitting many other precursors, e.g., even Hal Finney's RPOW.

Look, if you were to watch even my Part 1/5 video, I more or less concur with your view. It is not about his identity, but about his profile and mindset, and how Bitcoin was created out of its technological components (which were more or less already available in the 1990s), communities, ideologies, and the global financial crisis. As opposed to many, I do not think Satoshi Nakamoto was a radical cypherpunk, and I also think that teh development of Bitcoin was not exclusively triggered by the banking crisis. It is also interesting to investigate whether Satoshi Nakamoto was aware of the tremendous psychological momentum of the origin myth he seeded.

bitcoin does not use adam backs hashcash
bitcoin POW was INSPIRED by it slightly, it but does not use it
bitcoin was inspired by many many techniques of the past.. all adapted, modified and then woven together into what made bitcoin. but not in the same way the original inspirations used them

hashcash does not use sha256 and hashcash doesnt have the same 'difficulty mechanisms'
and hashcash was more about hashing an email address not actually about cash(currency)

.. the way i read your mention of hashcash is like saying
"Tesla cars in 2023 use medievel wheelbarow wheels"

which is incorrect.
"telsa use wheels(modern alloys with rubber tyres) which if you follow the history of wheels can be seen as passing through the middle ages back to wheelbarrows and carts wheels (wood)" but that does not mean a tesla car drives on wheelbarrow wheels

hashcash is an example of "proof of work" of which "proof of work" is not a hashcash invention .. proof of work was invented before adamback..
satoshi first learned about proof of work by seeing hashcashs example of.. and got inspired and then adapted to his own needs.. basically its like highlighting a teacher. not an inventor or co worker

Even thought people want to move on Satoshi's identity discussion still many still got an interest to know a little glimpsed of his details. For sure there are people would read up on what those people claims that they got some information about his identity since many are still curious to know if they are saying right or want to prove that those claims are totally wrong. For now until there's no solid evidence show I will threat those people saying they already trace satoshi as a lier and just want to create noise for their name to get instant fame.

I quite salute your enthusiasm to be able to find out who Satoshi Nakamoto is, but it seems that what you convey in your video is only theory and speculation. Most of the information that you provide is already available in the whitepaper and can be accessed by anyone if they want to know. But to be honest, you are not the only person who wants to find Satoshi Nakamoto, the world's governments and banking institutions are also curious about who he is, but so far they have not been able to reveal who Satoshi Nakamoto is. So cheers for you to find it, even though it's impossible.

If you were to watch the videos, or to read the ebook, you would understand why the research is still of interest, and why the formal name of Satoshi Nakamoto is not the primary target of my investigation. Indeed my first video states in the very beginning that everybody claiming to know who Satoshi Nakamoto's identity us wrong. Furthermore, the investigation is as much as possible facts-based, not speculation. Happy to get your comments after watching, I am sure you will change your mind.

Please just stop using Satoshi Nakamoto just to get views.
The person or organization has been out for so long and don't you think that others haven't tried to reveal who the creator is even in the past?
There were so many theories and none of them could prove who the creator is?
And let's just say that you got it right this time, how would we even know it if the creator wouldn't prove it?

Understand. Not sure how to address your concerns, though.

How? Nobody really does that except for developers who get filthy rich on the stock market (cf. Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Bezos).


I didn't check the link but unless it is selling the book that OP is making / has made about Satoshi Nakamoto, then I would assume that it's just spam.

(PS. you'd think that if someone wanted to advertise, they'd do it properly - nobody on a Bitcoin Forum is going to buy stuff from a random Shopify link.)

I don't mind to explore more because of the directed link.

I have suspicious when I see the link that can be used for phishing or fud in future. It can be bought by new Faketoshis too but it is my shameless suspicious and I did not think it is true. After I clicked on the link and was directed to shopify link, my suspicious increased more but it can be wrong.

It's certainly that I don't visit your Youtube to explore it.

I don't have time yet to watch the video but it seems like detailed videos about your topic. It's so long though and it's 5 parts. I haven't checked the other links part 2-5

I was surprised that it redirected to the Shopify link but at least the content looks the same as the videos.

I'm curious now what's the difference between the content on your Shopify link and the video series you have already put out

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Thanks for answering the question but you still didn't clarify that it redirects to your shopify link.

You can get my high-level summary through my playlist on YouTube
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-emZQrFLvJxrdDPhZzJ-CmDLhLHtdb-K
This series covers about 10% of what is in the book available under www.satoshinakamoto.be, in particular about 3500 original sources, with links where available.

I don't like how the link in two posts directs me to another website that looks to be a referral page that makes me to stop discovering more about the book.

Thanks for your comment. Indeed we have not been in need for Satoshi Nakamoto on the technical front for a long time, after he departed, teh community became adolescen, independent of the parents. His undisclosed identity is even a huge benefit for Bitcoin. But it still fascinating, e.g., from a history of science & technology as well as a psychological point-of-view that would be great to clarify. If I had a wish to him, it would be that Satoshi Nakamoto answered a few questions, e.g., those I phrased in the book, without revealing his identity.
What my investigation in the ebook (www.satoshinakamoto.be) is still useful for from a practical angle is to debunk false (self-)nominations.

Well done to the OP, a lot of work went into the videos thats for sure and I'm sure
someone will get benefit from that work.

But there have been countless Satoshi threads created through the years and they
have one thing in common, not having any definitive evidence to the identity of
Satoshi.

Satoshi gave us two things:
1. Bitcoin
2. A masterclass in becoming and remaining anonymous

As time passes finding the identity of Satoshi becomes less and less important/relevant.

Well, if you were to check my videos and the book before you comment, you would understand that the formal identity is not the focus of this "no stone left unturned" strategy, but rather to dismiss false claims and nomiations, and to understand the origins of the Bitcoin project, and the mindset of its ingenious inventor. There is a bigger picture "what Bitcoin is", which is of particular relevance to the current SEC cases.

Not sure why some people do not understand the meaning to privacy. If Satoshi Nakamoto has chosen to stay anonymous there must be a good reason for him to do so. He is the creator bitcoin and I feel obliged to respect his decision.

Can we not come to a common ground and just stop researching about his identity? What good it would do to the crypto market in any way? But if his identity is revealed, he will probably spend the rest of his life behind the bars.

Why do you think so, I do not see any criminal actitivity in the way Satoshi Nakamoto set up Bitcoin - he did the perfect job on the technical and legal side, and a brilliant service to our community.

I got surprised i thought there is some police or other authority which is starting to investigate on this and digging evidences

I suppose many top developers and chief engineers don't have social network accounts, otherwise it would cost them much money, since they are popular people, and have to be in continuous conversations with subscribers. Answering hundreds of PM on Facebook daily is a tough work, and that's not the only thing popular people have to do. So they employ SMM and PR agencies, which cost really much. Moreover, they have to spend much time for media events. Thats why it's easier for them not to have accounts at all.

Well, if you want to believe, go with Hal, if you want to know, my videos might make you quickly realize that despite his superficial match, it cannot be him.

I don't think so I need to read a ebook or something to know who satoshi was. It was literally Hal Finney. I have went through all the historical conversations between him and satoshi and I can understand from that who satoshi is. If you need a long arse Ebook to find out who he was, good luck. We will always miss you Hal. Your contribution to the Bitcoin is unimaginable.

Well, I would agree that personality and mindset of Satoshi Nakamoto between 2008 to 2010/2011 is not so much of practical importance anymore, but there is always a bigger picture. Bitcoin has become a cultural artefact which is closely coupled to the name Satoshi Nakamot, and you might also respect that some users might have deeper going interests. My videos and book are just an offer, so it is up to everbody individually watch or ignore them.

Am not here to belittle your efforts and research made but it will be so good if you can consider how this is less important to us now, we already have the white paper telling us much about the bitcoin network and going further in knowing more about the personalty of Satoshi will do us nothing but a waste of time, if you're not clear about the whitepaper it's good to look for an interpreter than finding more complex ways to define the Satoshi mindset with wrong theories, you could read about BIPs as well for further implementations, but we are less concerned about Satoshi than his bitcoin we all have today.

Well, you got the point. As you see even in the first video, I essentially say that without Satoshi, or at least a very credible eye witness, volunteering (or being forced) to step forward, the beautiful and beneficial mystery will go on. My facts-based investigation shows you more how Bitcoin unfolded, and what is does in the technical space, finance, and culture.

The book does not engage in a manhunt for Satoshi Nakamoto. It mainly clarifies his profile and mindset, and why current speculation is misleading because the candidates fielded do not meet essential sine qua non criteria.

Satoshi gave us Bitcoin and only wanted to stay anonymous and private. Bitcoiners are not interested in making their job of staying under the radar any more difficult than it is.

- Jay -

If your theories and findings were basically on how Bitcoin came about, what motivated its creation, and all that, I could have given your video a second chance.

But the said who is Satoshi of a thing has made the entire thing uninteresting to me right now. This is because I believe there will not be enough evidence, that you guys claim just a bunch of unproven facts that completely make no sense, but yet, you all keep on bumping with your discovery every time. To create attention and maybe drag traffic to your channel.

I have carried out a deep dive through proper research methodology to dig out new evidence for drafting a profile of Satoshi Nakamoto and for clarifying the origins of Bitcoin. I summarized my findings of the accompanying ebook in a 5-part series of videos, which has been available on YouTube. I promise this approach is facts-driven, unprecedented, and will radically reshape your picture of how Bitcoin came alive, and who is Satoshi Nakamoto.
Feedback highly appreciated.
https://youtu.be/SzdD2wrArJs
https://youtu.be/PK3bCG4u8mg
https://youtu.be/WxYdAQgY3JQ
https://youtu.be/ovS0qnEKzlc
https://youtu.be/PxXG62R6gSw
All the detail and sources are available at https://www.satoshinakamoto.be, and you will understand why it filed under a ".be" TLD.