Topic: New ParaDice site is a scam (Read 1462 times)

Sorry! Ill lock this thread for now. Thank you HCP for that detailed explanation!

That isn't what I asked. Them locking your account for allegedly abusing faucets and multi-accounting is not what I'm concerned with. I want to see proof of this claim:


I have not seen ANY proof that this site is somehow changing hashes after bets are placed to cause players to lose. You have claimed "fake seed" multiple times, but offered zero proof.

He stole my deposit..
please see it https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18663330

Where exactly is the proof of this?  

I haven't actually seen you show any proof that you got given one hash shown as the "Next Bet: Server Seed SHA256 Hash" value... then you made the bet and then the provably fair tab showed a completely different hash in the "Last Bet: Server Seed SHA256 Hash" section...

I've seen a lot of 20pt red font crying "scam"... but no actual proof.

Meanwhile... I went to ParaDice.io... and to start with I see this:



See the Next Bet hash? Then I make my roll... result is 27.22...



we go back to "Fair?" tab and we see:



Hash is now showing as the "Last Bet" hash... and I can see the last bet seed was "ANW11iJuvI8vmiCy2koi8Bcacl-27.22109999999999985220711096189916", which has the roll result 27.22...

The SHA256 for that seed = cb2b7a48508555c1373db0fd2aded04125c6949f452565323c3b974af283bd5d

which is exactly what they showed before and after my roll... so it all checks out.

lol ofc it is

I am taking the side of paradice because they made it out of all the scam accusations and I am working for their signature campaign.
And if any of those accusations were true I would have resigned from the post of manager in their signature campaign.
But Hopefully, it went well

OP please lock down the thread it's really creating so much spam on the forum by those nonsense posts of mafiaC....

Thanks

I don't think anyone complained about paradice stealing their deposit, only you mafiacoin 

no trolling, this is only true
paradice is scammer.
he stole my deposit.
slole money many members!!!
and change hash sha256 of seed after bet.

It seems like mafiacoin have made his issue with paradice becoming into a drama, it is kind of funny and hilarious to read all his post about paradice 

You know what mafia coin ...
I haven't seen a fuktard like you in my whole life.
Go and learn grammar 1st then Learn how probably system works stop wasting you time by trolling around making nonsense posts.

I suggest the OP to close the thread since it's the purpose of this thread is completed or this mafia coin will keep on spamming this thread.

yes.
I catch scammer!

He change hash seed after bet..
no history bets..

before bet and after bet , result is different

SCAM!

Because some people seem to fail at understanding the various "Provably Fair" techniques... here is a quick run down:

1. "Nonce" method:

Server seed is "fixed"  (server seed hash shown as proof) and Client Seed is "fixed" and has a nonce (basically an incrementing counter) added to end. Once you reveal the server seed, you can then validate all previous rolls, and server seed will then be changed and a new server seed hash provided.

Roll result is (usually) calculated by combining server seed, client seed and nonce and generating a HMAC-512 hash and then taking first X digits from the hex result (converted to decimal)

Server can theoretically calculate all future roll results (for the current server seed + client seed pair), BUT CAN'T CHANGE THEM... That would break the server seed hash result.

DuckDice uses this method.

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2. random Client Seed + random Server Seed method

Server seed changes every roll (server seed hash shown prior to each roll as proof), client has the option to change the client seed every roll if they want...

Roll result calculated by combining server seed + client seed and generating a HMAC-512 hash and then taking first X digits from the hex result (converted to decimal)

Server cannot know what any given roll result will be in advance unless the client is using a static seed and never changes it.

Crypto-Games.net uses this method

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3. Server seed + Roll result method.

Server seed can change every roll or be fixed.

Roll result is pre-generated by the site before bet is made (method for generating roll result may be unknown/unpublished, but it is in the best interests of the site if it is properly random, otherwise someone could predict the patterns and ruin them)

Server seed + roll result are combined, SHA256/512 hash calculated and provided prior to bet being made as proof. NO Client Seed is used or required.

Once bet is submitted the server seed + roll result are shown (along with the previous hash for verification purposes)... new hash for next seed/roll result is generated and provided.

Server knows reach roll result BEFORE you place a bet, BUT CANNOT CHANGE IT, because that would break the server seed hash.

ParaDice.io is using this method.

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In my opinion, ParaDice.io probably shouldn't call the hash that they generate from the combined Server Seed + Roll Result, a "Server Seed Hash"... as technically, it isn't just a result of hashing the Server Seed... it is the result of hashing the Server Seed AND the pre-generated roll result combined. This may be causing some confusion.

Additionally, their provably fair system, is pretty cumbersome for the players... You can't go back and check historical bets and view the provably fair data for them... you would need to manually copy and save each "Server Seed Hash" prior to placing a bet... and double check it after each roll, which is just annoying

In any case, in ALL of these methods, even the ones where the server is pre-generating the result like ParaDice.io... the server cannot possibly change anything that the hash is related to, after it has been provided to the player. The maths of SHA256 (and 512 as applicable) make it, for all intents and purposes, impossible for them to modify anything... as (ironically) pointed out by MafiaCoin in his "Scam" accusation, if they change anything, it breaks the hash calculation.

I am sorry to hear that you've scam by new launch dice gambling.. i just trying there dice before but honestly i am not trusting that dice game which is new if you still not resolve your issue better to try yolodice much better and maybe they can resolve the issue with you..
Unlike here that they can not explain well about the mistaken result or the cuted code you mean in the image.
Hoping that you can resolve this issue via contacting there official page here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/paradiceto-dicelotteryjpsloyalityinvestingreferrals-and-more-1844659

The biggest thing that concerns me is that how can he even blame anymore after getting -ve from a trusted member and he still continue with his actions.

Also, no one on this forum notices this ... lol
Let us see what happens from this scam accusaction :DD

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Really because 300+ people have seen this.




I check the provable fairness of every dice site i go on. Its not wise to play on a site if you do not understand how the roll numbers are being made so you can be confident about its integrity. I have but one question that has still not been answered. How are the roll numbers being made with just the server seed and server seed hash. Fortunejack primedice rollin crypto-games.net all use client seed with server seed and nonce, they use the same system that has been well explained thats how i know, this site does not use client seed, and even has the roll number in their server seed and who makes the server seed ? They do. And how do you take part in the provably fair system? You dont, you just deposit and blindly wager your coins against a house that cant even explain how the roll numbers are being made.

I saw this topic and went to paradajz paradice to check provably fair system.

So I made few bets.

I couldn't click on any of bet ID's to check fairness. I only "see" hash and seed from last bet.


I asked simple question in chat: where can i check fairness of my rolls? No one answered.
I asked again: "Am I invisible? Where can I check fairness of my rolls?"

And after that i was banned from chat. Not professional behavior.




This is their provably fair system:




As i can see i can only check my last bet.
There is no possible way to check fairness of previous rolls. There is no client seed. There is no nonce.

Maybe you will explain here as you like to ban people in chat for simple question  

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Last roll has been verified and it is provably fair. Scam accusation is pointless without good proofs - you can lock topic now.

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Im still waiting for that basic math. Surely if its that simple of math then its just as simple to explain how you get the roll number just using the server seed and server seed hash. Right?

You said on your chat that you do not have to prove anything to anyone, will you say the same on bitcointalk to the hundreds of people who have a right to know before they deposit money on your site?

This site refuses and i mean REFUSES to explain to me how the roll number is made using Only the server seed. They ban me after asking this. Can someone answer for them? How can you say a site that cant explain how the roll numbers made is legit? How can you bet not knowing how the roll number is made?

Would you not agree this is essential? Or will you ignore me also because you cannot answer due to me being right...


Who are yahoo and Lauda? I do not see them on my thread. You guys must have this thread mistaken for another one. Please read the OP's post, and all made by him in reply to the following posts. Ignore Mafia Coin.

Theres a lot of irrelevance in my thread, surely you guys can read better please...

This isnt mafiacoins thread this is MY thread. I have give evidence to my claims and asked for explanations to what I pointed out. The site up to know still refuses to answer me these flaws http://prntscr.com/f15nnx
If you could I would appreciate it. Read from the start please and ignore mafiacoin idk why hes posting with negative trust. If what I ask can be explained then this site is trustworthy.

Hey Mafiacoin is not the only one writing here. Ignore Mafia coin he is not the OP I am. Read my points and answer my questions please or else this site is not provably fair. The site refuses to answer me this question and even said they dont need to prove anything http://prntscr.com/f15nnx

Explain to me what I have pointed out since your site doesnt want to answer.

From where you know this site, i suggest you to play dice in the site that have good reputation or maybe you can play at fortunejack. they have a lot games too, i mean not only dice game. how did you know that not fair, till right now im still not understand with the seed that out in every bet.

Dude please stop your negative trust makes everything you say incredible. Youve just distracted everyone with your loud long messages from my explanations, AGAIN. Stop.

I will explain to you guys once more.

The biggest thing that concerns me is that how can he even blame anymore after getting -ve from a trusted member and he still continue with his actions.

Also, no one on this forum notices this ... lol
Let us see what happens from this scam accusaction :DD

please see my example:
sha256(cM641efQW5kDjWdBjR3Dv933GO-57.99193000000000353111317963339388) = 5fd2ddf0535d8d60cb3d6f19f9a7eec8cf8211fa2ea75e902a730b5c1f7c6a91

Last Bet:

Server Seed sha256:

5fd2ddf0535d8d60cb3d6f19f9a7eec8cf8211fa2ea75e902a730b5c1f7c6a91

Server Seed:

cM641efQW5kDjWdBjR3Dv933GO-57.99193000000000353111317963339388

He manipulate this digit..
cM641efQW5kDjWdBjR3Dv933GO-57.99193000000000353111317963339388
and made fake seed!!!

He use xx.xx digit only

if cange last digit result is fake!!!

sha256(cM641efQW5kDjWdBjR3Dv933GO-57.99193000000000353111317963339381)=28bb1a8cbb6d84fa150b1f0582aab210ff02bf374886f3a7c1eac539abc4726f

Without evidence of that, your claim and countless pointless threads are worthless.  If you're just annoyed about something, you could express it with reason instead of increasingly frantic rambling.

I post proof..
he can manipulate seed.
game has not client seed.

use xx.xx digit..

NOT PROVABLY FAIR.
SCAM.
NOT PAYING!
STOLE MY DEPOSIT

Guys come on don't act like kids this guy MafiaCoin abused faucet and trusted member here Yahoo and Lauda confirmed it.
He just wants revenge for not getting the BTC he tried to scam.

If you want to know site is probably fair or not look at this Legendary member's Post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18750049

And I don't know why everyone starts targeting a new gambling website launches just after a guy defames it with his multiple Alts on this forum.


My Final statement as Sr.Member: Website is probably fair

The server seed is made by paradice. If the roll numbers in the server seed which changes every bet then hes manipulating every roll number. There is no algorithm there is no calculations done or even shown, hes simply making the roll numbers lol. If there were any kind of math the provably fair would need a client seed to combine the server seed with but theres not even a client seed shown or used.

1982dre Senior member confirmed. If its so simple please explain how you get the roll number without a client seed? How do you make the roll number using only the server seed and server seed hash?

Please explain this simple math Dear Proffessor ParaDice Sir. Why is the roll number in the Server Seed???

Really? You can manipulate and change seed after bet!

Our website is 100% fair.

It's basic maths.

We will wait for a trusted member to check the probability fair.

Nice catch. Gladly I haven't played there yet.

Yes, he manipulate roll

OMG!!!

we catch him.

fake seed!!!

sha256(cM641efQW5kDjWdBjR3Dv933GO-57.99193000000000353111317963339388) = 5fd2ddf0535d8d60cb3d6f19f9a7eec8cf8211fa2ea75e902a730b5c1f7c6a91

Last Bet:

Server Seed sha256:

5fd2ddf0535d8d60cb3d6f19f9a7eec8cf8211fa2ea75e902a730b5c1f7c6a91

Server Seed:

cM641efQW5kDjWdBjR3Dv933GO-57.99193000000000353111317963339388

He manipulate this digit..
cM641efQW5kDjWdBjR3Dv933GO-57.99193000000000353111317963339388
and made fake seed!!!

He use xx.xx digit only

if cange last digit result is fake!!!

sha256(cM641efQW5kDjWdBjR3Dv933GO-57.99193000000000353111317963339381)=28bb1a8cbb6d84fa150b1f0582aab210ff02bf374886f3a7c1eac539abc4726f

piradice.io is fucking scammer.
He stole my deposit 0.0033btc.
and stole my winnings 0.0083BTC

what does this screenshot means? does it means the admin could manipulate our rolls? I don't really understand the client seed 

Hopefully someone could explain to me 

The roll numbers in the server seed. Lol and no client seed is shown either on the provably fair tab.

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