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Quote from: eule on March 19, 2021, 09:21:42 AM

That's hilarious that nVidia themselves provided the driver that circumvents the mining throttle. Someone has been fired over this for sure. Grin

https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/16/22333544/nvidia-rtx-3060-ethereum-mining-rate-limit-unlock-driver

Any information leak from such companies is a planned action in order to pass fake information to competitors or to do it on purpose in order to get profit.
Now Nvidia will tell gamers that the company did everything it could, but bad hackers ruined all plans.
After such events, I would not believe this company. Amd do not create problems for miners.

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Quote from: eule on March 19, 2021, 09:21:42 AM

That's hilarious that nVidia themselves provided the driver that circumvents the mining throttle. Someone has been fired over this for sure. Grin

https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/16/22333544/nvidia-rtx-3060-ethereum-mining-rate-limit-unlock-driver

or they secretly got a raise/bonus Wink

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That's hilarious that nVidia themselves provided the driver that circumvents the mining throttle. Someone has been fired over this for sure. Grin

https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/16/22333544/nvidia-rtx-3060-ethereum-mining-rate-limit-unlock-driver

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymaKsJWORDw

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Found it after post here - thx

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Its in another thread

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According to recent news, 3060 is unlocked in the driver too, you just need new driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Q4sn7_DRc

i`m suprised, there`s no buzz here about it.

EDIT:
Driver was sent offline by nv serwer. there is a MEGA (not popular last days) link somwhere.

https://mega.nz/file/rE1E0JCS#-xL0bc6t2UiuiZ0Vtc-I9hcqGhV0UIr0B6FKJcdy_kE

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Quote from: skablast on March 14, 2021, 03:42:42 AM

I found some ZOTAC GAMING GEFORCE RTX 3060 TI TWIN EDGE OC 8GB GDDR6X.

Are those limited as well ?
Limitation is active ONLY on the normal 3060 that does have 3584 cores?
Basically if it does have 4864 Cores isn't limited ?

3060 ti 8GB is not limited.
3060 12GB (non-ti) is limited.

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I found some ZOTAC GAMING GEFORCE RTX 3060 TI TWIN EDGE OC 8GB GDDR6X.

Are those limited as well ?
Limitation is active ONLY on the normal 3060 that does have 3584 cores?
Basically if it does have 4864 Cores isn't limited ?

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Quote from: zbynio on March 13, 2021, 12:23:38 PM

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidia-rtx-3060-mining-block-seems-to-have-been-finally-hacked-ether-hash-rate-of-53-mh-s-unlocked/

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Of course, there’s a chance that the hash rate still drops after three minutes of mining which is why we can’t be 100% sure just yet that the anti-miner block has been hacked. It might still be kicking in after four or five minutes of operation, making the 3060 unfit for mining Ether. As such, take this with a grain of salt until we have some solid proof.

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https://www.hardwaretimes.com/nvidia-rtx-3060-mining-block-seems-to-have-been-finally-hacked-ether-hash-rate-of-53-mh-s-unlocked/

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Quote from: Juggar on March 06, 2021, 01:38:48 PM

Quote from: JayDDee on March 06, 2021, 01:01:22 PM

Quote from: Juggar on March 06, 2021, 10:43:59 AM

Right now there is no known way to get around, and there likely never will be.

Not true. It's as simple as antivirus with the hat colours reversed. The antivirus is wearing the black hat
because it's blocking software legitimate users want. That motivation alone makes it only a matter of time
until it's cracked.

The Nvidia block is nothing more than a signature based "virus" detector with only one virus definition,
that being ethereum miners. Just need to tinker with the mining code to find the signature Nvidia uses
and change it slightly. It doesn't even have to change the algorithm, just the code used as the signature.

Then Nvidia will need to update the virus definition, but that's not as simple as with AV software.
Users will actively resist the update and the only way to force it is with new hardware.

Well it hasn't happened thus far, if it were easily done, it would be cracked already.

Nvidia can also improve it as each new card comes out, who knows, the 3080 Ti could be limited across all major algos.

If I had the crack I would keep it private until after the 3080 Ti launched.

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Quote from: zbynio on March 10, 2021, 10:33:42 AM

fake this is octopus

Yup, was just confirmed as fake.

https://twitter.com/I_Leak_VN/status/1369632994407804941

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fake this is octopus

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Quote from: mochaaa on March 10, 2021, 04:21:45 AM

I guess there's already rumor of a fix?

https://wccftech.com/chinese-cryptocurrency-miners-allegedly-bypass-nvidias-geforce-rtx-3060-hash-rate-limiter-delivers-up-to-50-mh-s-in-ethereum/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Of course they'll never say how, to keep them to themselves. Typical.

That being said, there's rumors its only Octopus they are showing, and those speeds are exactly what you'd expect from a tuned card (3060).

Could also be GPU resellers trying to increase the price of 3060 artificially.

I refuse to believe it until its confirmed by a trusted source.

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I guess there's already rumor of a fix?

https://wccftech.com/chinese-cryptocurrency-miners-allegedly-bypass-nvidias-geforce-rtx-3060-hash-rate-limiter-delivers-up-to-50-mh-s-in-ethereum/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Quote from: philipma1957 on March 05, 2021, 07:54:42 PM

Quote from: booze on March 05, 2021, 07:26:08 PM

No need for me to buy any ATM but was curious and thought it would be a nice LOL moment if someone unlocked the cards and made NVIDIA's move any sillier

You never know.. But what would be better is if eth changes it al-gore-rythm to only work with the gimped 3060 cards.

Damn. that would be cool.

Every time I win a shot to buy one in the new egg shuffle I get it and mine it on octopus. makes money. and I dream of my 3060's whaling to the altered eth algo this summer. Grin

I have 36 of them in 3 rigs. I like them because all of them are the same model. And one ore thing its so hard to find many gpus lately. But i can find 3060 easily

I have already 14G ethash hashrate, i think octopus may be a new ethereum for miners

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Quote from: Juggar on March 09, 2021, 01:48:19 PM

Quote from: nsummy on March 09, 2021, 12:10:46 PM

Take this with a grain of salt, but a couple of weeks ago I read on reddit that someone (or group) was working on a "fix" where it would store the dag in the normal system RAM, and then just stop and restart mining every 60 seconds (or however long it takes for the throttling to begin), then copy the dag back into the GPU memory, rinse and repeat

Pretty sure I read the nerf is instant, the mining programs lag with the output they show.

Nvidia isn't stupid.

It depends on the miner. Some miners average the hashrate so it smooths out the variations, others
will show the near instantaneous hashrate which will show a drop immediately.

It's also why competing over a % hashrate here or there is silly.

Regarding your second statement, I'm not sure I agree considering the current fiasco.

If the DAG copy technique works it give a clue to how the gimping is implemented which could
lead to a more elegant solution.

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Quote from: nsummy on March 09, 2021, 12:10:46 PM

Take this with a grain of salt, but a couple of weeks ago I read on reddit that someone (or group) was working on a "fix" where it would store the dag in the normal system RAM, and then just stop and restart mining every 60 seconds (or however long it takes for the throttling to begin), then copy the dag back into the GPU memory, rinse and repeat

Pretty sure I read the nerf is instant, the mining programs lag with the output they show.

Nvidia isn't stupid.

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Take this with a grain of salt, but a couple of weeks ago I read on reddit that someone (or group) was working on a "fix" where it would store the dag in the normal system RAM, and then just stop and restart mining every 60 seconds (or however long it takes for the throttling to begin), then copy the dag back into the GPU memory, rinse and repeat

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Quote from: joniosbra on March 08, 2021, 03:23:31 PM

Quote from: jerkob on March 08, 2021, 01:38:02 PM

How dumb would it be to just flash the 3060ti bios on them and get rid of the nasty code bits?

Try this and let us know Grin

I bought 10 of them, i would be willing to try it if we crowdsource 200 dollars worth of crypto

i know its hard to trust a newbie account, but im willing to put my try up on YT or something similar, and document the whole thing,

as linus torvalds said and i quote:"NVIDIA, FUCK YOU".

the faster we find a workaround the faster nvidia will stop building this silly measures into their shitty cards

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I think if a miner dev finds a workaround for this, he/she will make bank. All 3060s produced will use that miner.

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Quote from: jerkob on March 08, 2021, 01:38:02 PM

How dumb would it be to just flash the 3060ti bios on them and get rid of the nasty code bits?

Try this and let us know Grin

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How dumb would it be to just flash the 3060ti bios on them and get rid of the nasty code bits?

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Quote from: fr4nkthetank on March 06, 2021, 10:04:12 PM

Nvidia : Selling gpus direct to big miners in batches
Also Nvidia : Retail person NO YOU CANT MINE GAMING ONLY PLS

roll eyes

My single Nvidia 3060 mining at nicehash

https://www.nicehash.com/my/miner/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje

So yeah it does not make a fortune but it will pay for itself in well under a year if I get it at retail price.

So with 3060 I look to get it at retail price.

I got one from the Newegg Shuffle for msrp. $428 after tax and shipping it burns 5 kwatts on a 1 card rig. my winter power cost is 10 cents my summer cost is 18 cents. so 50-90 cents make it 70 cents on average it earns 2.50-3.00 a day make it 2.70 a day - .70 is 2 bucks a day. or 428/2 = 214 days for a free card.
I have a 3 year warranty. I have zero issue buying these and mining octopus. I would add 3 more today if I got them at $428 each. So effectively to a guy like me 50+ plus cards running this is not a problem.

But to a guy with a 2 card rig that wants to game in the day and mine at night this is a fuckover.

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Quote from: Hueristic on March 06, 2021, 07:12:10 PM

People have this backwards.

Nvidia knows full well that professional miners will find a workaround.

This is targeted at the causal miner.

The kids that have to pay too high a price for a card that will no longer earn them anything to take the edge off the overprice they paid. They7 wrap it in a lie that they are "protecting " them when its all about the bottom line.

This will also hurt the decentralization of all crypto.

You've got a good point but I don't see how it helps their bottom line, seems more like it's just PR for gamers.
They screwed themselves by letting the scalpers rule. They could have delayed the release until they built up
some inventory, they could have set the MSRP higher, they could have continued to sell RTX2000s, all of which
would have made them more profit.

The 2 main factors blamed for the shortage of cards (pandemic & BTC bull run) were both very evident when they
first released the RTX3000 series. They should have seen it coming.

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Now the money is free, and so the people will be

Nvidia : Selling gpus direct to big miners in batches
Also Nvidia : Retail person NO YOU CANT MINE GAMING ONLY PLS

roll eyes

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Its not a rumor about the amd mining gpu its called GPRO X070

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/77380/sapphires-new-fanless-radeon-rx-5700-xt-is-silent-crypto-mining-gpu/index.html
I tried contacting sapphire to buy some, no response.

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People have this backwards.

Nvidia knows full well that professional miners will find a workaround.

This is targeted at the causal miner.

The kids that have to pay too high a price for a card that will no longer earn them anything to take the edge off the overprice they paid. They7 wrap it in a lie that they are "protecting " them when its all about the bottom line.

This will also hurt the decentralization of all crypto.

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Quote from: Toughit on March 06, 2021, 03:11:41 PM

Maybe we need to take up a collection and get a card to Phoenix Miner.

Some of the big miner devs have been absent from their threads since the new year.
Seems unusual considering the current frenzy.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on March 06, 2021, 03:09:20 PM

Yeah this could killed them bigly amd may say buy us we can mine eth

There are rumours of AMD producing mining cards. Hopefully the'll be smart and use the carrot
(lower price on mining cards) and not the stick (gimping gaming cards), to relieve the shortage of
gaming cards.

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Quote from: Juggar on March 06, 2021, 01:38:48 PM

Quote from: JayDDee on March 06, 2021, 01:01:22 PM

Quote from: Juggar on March 06, 2021, 10:43:59 AM

Right now there is no known way to get around, and there likely never will be.

Not true. It's as simple as antivirus with the hat colours reversed. The antivirus is wearing the black hat
because it's blocking software legitimate users want. That motivation alone makes it only a matter of time
until it's cracked.

The Nvidia block is nothing more than a signature based "virus" detector with only one virus definition,
that being ethereum miners. Just need to tinker with the mining code to find the signature Nvidia uses
and change it slightly. It doesn't even have to change the algorithm, just the code used as the signature.

Then Nvidia will need to update the virus definition, but that's not as simple as with AV software.
Users will actively resist the update and the only way to force it is with new hardware.

Well it hasn't happened thus far, if it were easily done, it would be cracked already.

Nvidia can also improve it as each new card comes out, who knows, the 3080 Ti could be limited across all major algos.

There aren't that many 3060's out there yet.

Do we even know if any of the major Eth mining software owners even have a 3060 to play with?

Maybe we need to take up a collection and get a card to Phoenix Miner.

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Quote from: miner29 on March 06, 2021, 02:37:23 PM

But they win as long as demand and prices stay sky high....

Yeah this could killed them bigly amd may say buy us we can mine eth

Also I get over 4 a day on my 3060 doing octopus. So I simply say 100 x 4 = 400 = just about roi buy it anyway.

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Quote from: miner29 on March 06, 2021, 02:37:23 PM

But they win as long as demand and prices stay sky high....

But what the're doing is intended to reduce demand. They need to increase supply, the Turing CMPs
need to be plentyful and cheaper than equivalent RTX. Then miners and gamers are happy and Nvidia
makes more money.

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But they win as long as demand and prices stay sky high....

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Quote from: Juggar on March 06, 2021, 01:38:48 PM

Well it hasn't happened thus far, if it were easily done, it would be cracked already.

Nvidia can also improve it as each new card comes out, who knows, the 3080 Ti could be limited across all major algos.

3060s are still rare and hard to get and they aren't really that attractive for large scale mining so it's still very early.
If the 3080ti is gimped there will be more of a rush to hack it.

If Nividia escalates this into an arms race they can't win because algos can be tweaked indefinitely.

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Quote from: JayDDee on March 06, 2021, 01:01:22 PM

Quote from: Juggar on March 06, 2021, 10:43:59 AM

Right now there is no known way to get around, and there likely never will be.

Not true. It's as simple as antivirus with the hat colours reversed. The antivirus is wearing the black hat
because it's blocking software legitimate users want. That motivation alone makes it only a matter of time
until it's cracked.

The Nvidia block is nothing more than a signature based "virus" detector with only one virus definition,
that being ethereum miners. Just need to tinker with the mining code to find the signature Nvidia uses
and change it slightly. It doesn't even have to change the algorithm, just the code used as the signature.

Then Nvidia will need to update the virus definition, but that's not as simple as with AV software.
Users will actively resist the update and the only way to force it is with new hardware.

Well it hasn't happened thus far, if it were easily done, it would be cracked already.

Nvidia can also improve it as each new card comes out, who knows, the 3080 Ti could be limited across all major algos.

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Quote from: Juggar on March 06, 2021, 10:43:59 AM

Right now there is no known way to get around, and there likely never will be.

Not true. It's as simple as antivirus with the hat colours reversed. The antivirus is wearing the black hat
because it's blocking software legitimate users want. That motivation alone makes it only a matter of time
until it's cracked.

The Nvidia block is nothing more than a signature based "virus" detector with only one virus definition,
that being ethereum miners. Just need to tinker with the mining code to find the signature Nvidia uses
and change it slightly. It doesn't even have to change the algorithm, just the code used as the signature.

Then Nvidia will need to update the virus definition, but that's not as simple as with AV software.
Users will actively resist the update and the only way to force it is with new hardware.

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Quote from: Juggar on March 06, 2021, 10:43:59 AM

The question has been asked many times.

Right now there is no known way to get around, and there likely never will be.

I run my 3060 in my Plex server for transcoding duty but also mine Octopus on it.

Nice hash says it gets around $3.15 a day as of today with 45 MH/s on octopus. (80% PL, +250 core, + 1200 mem).

which is a fine set of numbers for me. So my advice is if you find a cheap one under 400 usd get it.

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The question has been asked many times.

Right now there is no known way to get around, and there likely never will be.

I run my 3060 in my Plex server for transcoding duty but also mine Octopus on it.

Nice hash says it gets around $3.15 a day as of today with 45 MH/s on octopus. (80% PL, +250 core, + 1200 mem).

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Quote from: philipma1957 on March 05, 2021, 07:54:42 PM

Quote from: booze on March 05, 2021, 07:26:08 PM

No need for me to buy any ATM but was curious and thought it would be a nice LOL moment if someone unlocked the cards and made NVIDIA's move any sillier

You never know.. But what would be better is if eth changes it al-gore-rythm to only work with the gimped 3060 cards.

Damn. that would be cool.

Every time I win a shot to buy one in the new egg shuffle I get it and mine it on octopus. makes money. and I dream of my 3060's whaling to the altered eth algo this summer. Grin

hahaha you are spot on, that would be hilarious!!!

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Quote from: booze on March 05, 2021, 07:26:08 PM

No need for me to buy any ATM but was curious and thought it would be a nice LOL moment if someone unlocked the cards and made NVIDIA's move any sillier

You never know.. But what would be better is if eth changes it al-gore-rythm to only work with the gimped 3060 cards.

Damn. that would be cool.

Every time I win a shot to buy one in the new egg shuffle I get it and mine it on octopus. makes money. and I dream of my 3060's whaling to the altered eth algo this summer. Grin

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No need for me to buy any ATM but was curious and thought it would be a nice LOL moment if someone unlocked the cards and made NVIDIA's move any sillier

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yeah but it mines fine for octopus which is still a money maker.

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First, i didnt read about anybody who can edit the bios of a nvidia gpu.
Second, i read about the 3080ti that it has the same eth reduce (around 50%),
programmed into the bios and the driver.

The driver problem may be solved, but if the ETH mining is recognized and lowered in the bios
i dont see any chance to solve it.

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Don't buy the card simply because there may be a workaround on the hashrate lock later on, nothing is certain but in time we will know what will happen, for now stay away from the card and buy RTX3060ti instead

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After people saw that rtx 3060 can pull 48mhs speed im sure there will be hack into bios and achieve that 48mhs later

we will see.

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Hi fellas,

Do you think some software/GPU magician is going to be able to somehow release a work around the hash rate limiter on the new 3060's? Similar to the old Ethenlargementpill for the 1080s? Or has a factory release actually managed to lock something down tight do you think?

Cheers

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