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jr. member
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November 14, 2023, 09:21:01 PM
#11
I have no idea if the X1 model is open-source or not. I can see that WalletScrutiny has not yet reviewed it, but their other product, the S1, never became open-source although they said it would. So the first condition you mentioned may never be fulfilled and you will have to look elsewhere. 
According to the number of app downloads on Google Play Store, the data published by the official websites of various wallets, and the number of reviews on Amazon, I estimate that only Ledger, Trezor, and Safepal have 1 million users. Among them, only Trezor is open source. This indicates that users lack the necessary knowledge, or are ignorant.
The number of users of other brands is particularly small. I estimate that the number of OneKey users is less than 300,000, the BitBox users is less than 100,000, and the Keystone users is less than 30,000. If a company's annual sales is less than 100,000, is its profit enough to maintain the operation? With too few users, the supervision will be insufficient, and it will not be safe.
legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 7065
November 01, 2023, 11:48:41 AM
#10
     Now, if I were to buy another hardware wallet, I think several points are important to me. Firstly, open-source nature, as security cannot be guaranteed without supervision. Secondly, the wallet must have been tested over several years and have a good reputation, preferably from a well-known brand. And finally, cheap is also important.

Considering the above points, if I want try Safepal X1, it must be at least 3-5 years later.
I have no idea if the X1 model is open-source or not. I can see that WalletScrutiny has not yet reviewed it, but their other product, the S1, never became open-source although they said it would. So the first condition you mentioned may never be fulfilled and you will have to look elsewhere. 
legendary
Activity: 2968
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Crypto Swap Exchange
October 29, 2023, 11:32:10 AM
#9
To those who might be interested in getting this specific HW, videos [unboxing, review, or tutorial] are slowly coming out and the best one so far is probably from SafePal: Learn How to Set Up Your SafePal X1 Hardware Wallet
- I'm not sure if there was an agreement in place for those who got it from the event to not release any reviews or videos, but someone else did it prior to them: SAFEPAL X1 Unboxing

  • It appears that the Bluetooth pairing mode is somewhat buggy [8:31 to 9:44].
  • By the look of things, I was wrong about the displayed addresses being limited to the first and last bits only [10.08]
jr. member
Activity: 57
Merit: 4
September 28, 2023, 04:50:40 AM
#8
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I criticized Safepal many times because of their Safepal S1 closed source hardware wallet, but it looks like they decided to change direction with their new products.

Safepal just released new model of open source device called Safepal X1 hardware wallet, and this can be currently pre-ordered for $70 plus shipping fees.
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As a newbie, I knew nothing when I bought my first hardware wallet.
      I chose Ledger because it had the highest sales and blindly followed the majority, which is usually safer.
      When I bought SafePal, it was because it had the backing of Binance, and I didn't know anything about open-source.

      Now, if I were to buy another hardware wallet, I think several points are important to me. Firstly, open-source nature, as security cannot be guaranteed without supervision. Secondly, the wallet must have been tested over several years and have a good reputation, preferably from a well-known brand. And finally, cheap is also important.

Considering the above points, if I want try Safepal X1, it must be at least 3-5 years later.
legendary
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September 27, 2023, 11:31:58 AM
#7
I checked multiple sources and they are all saying battery is 128mAh, but you never know with stuff coming from China  Wink
Manuals often have outdated or different information, something like this happened in my case with one item I purchased from China recently, it happens more than you think.
Only way to confirm battery and screen color is to see review testing from someone, and I heard they gave a lot of Safepal X1 devices for free in Singapore, so they are coming soon.
While we're still waiting for the first batch of reviews to come out, I noticed they've finally updated or rather corrected the above two errors by mentioning the "200mAh battery" and "monochrome" in different parts of its product page.
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 7064
September 14, 2023, 05:21:41 PM
#6
Not sure if they had a last-minute change or their product page is just inaccurate, but on its user manual page, they're claiming it's a "200mAh battery".
I checked multiple sources and they are all saying battery is 128mAh, but you never know with stuff coming from China  Wink
Manuals often have outdated or different information, something like this happened in my case with one item I purchased from China recently, it happens more than you think.
Only way to confirm battery and screen color is to see review testing from someone, and I heard they gave a lot of Safepal X1 devices for free in Singapore, so they are coming soon.

It appears that it's not going to show the full address on its display [last picture]!
Maybe it shows up full address when you click on it.
Again, let's wait and see first review from some youtuber.

I've been using hardware wallets for years, but the Ledger debacle with key extraction APIs baked into the firmware taught me a lesson about trusting any company.  Open source code is a big part of the answer, but third party wallet access is too.
Maybe they change it later, support for other wallets is must have, for many reasons including multisig setup.
full member
Activity: 128
Merit: 190
September 13, 2023, 04:06:39 PM
#5
I have major problem with fact that you can't use it with Electrum or any other third party wallets.

Yup.  That's an instant veto for me as well.

There is also a big question if their open source code is going to be verified and reproducible, and I am not impressed with only Bluetooth connection, I would prefer to have camera and airgapped. functionality.

I agree 100%.

I've been using hardware wallets for years, but the Ledger debacle with key extraction APIs baked into the firmware taught me a lesson about trusting any company.  Open source code is a big part of the answer, but third party wallet access is too.
legendary
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September 13, 2023, 02:16:39 PM
#4
There is integrated 128mAh battery
Not sure if they had a last-minute change or their product page is just inaccurate, but on its user manual page, they're claiming it's a "200mAh battery".

1.8’ color screen
It's worth noting that it has a "black and white display" only [they forgot to type the "single" word in this table].

It appears that it's not going to show the full address on its display [last picture]!
legendary
Activity: 1792
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Crypto Casino and Sportsbook
September 13, 2023, 10:55:24 AM
#3
The device looks so ugly that it's even cute. Smiley I have mixed feelings about the look of this.

And really, why didn’t they bring the appearance to a calculator? This would make an excellent disguise for hardware wallet (make some of the calculator buttons a non-functioning dummy). Although I haven’t seen anyone with a calculator for a very long time Smiley, the functionality of which can be found in any phone. The presence of such a calculator in your hands will already be a reason to become interested in your person. Smiley

The battery capacity is too small compared to other safepal wallets (128mAh, versus 400mAh and 500mAh). They could have done more by sacrificing the thickness of this device (there wouldn't be anything wrong with model X1 being a little thicker.)

The phrase "Open Source" is a kind of marketing ploy. These statements should not be relied upon 100%.

I would argue about the color screen. I am a supporter of minimalism and believe that hardware wallets don't need frills, such as a color screen, but I don’t force this opinion on anyone.
member
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September 13, 2023, 10:13:48 AM
#2
We included it in https://thebitcoinhole.com/, also SafePal S1 Pro
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 7064
September 13, 2023, 03:25:31 AM
#1
I criticized Safepal many times because of their Safepal S1 closed source hardware wallet, but it looks like they decided to change direction with their new products.

Safepal just released new model of open source device called Safepal X1 hardware wallet, and this can be currently pre-ordered for $70 plus shipping fees.

So far we know that Safepal X1 have design that reminds a bit on calculator or on Coldcard wallet, with 12 buttons and D-pad, and it's using Bluetooth for connection as signing mechanism.
There is integrated 128mAh battery with USB type C connection for charging, and secure element is included with EAL 5+ certification from unknown manufacturer.
Anti-tampering self-destruct mechanism exist, and there is only wallet support for Safepal app and extension.
It's funny that Safepal claims ''unlimited'' support for coins/tokens, but simple check is showing no support for monero.

What can I say initially about Safepal X1 wallet is that price of $70 is not bad, but I have major problem with fact that you can't use it with Electrum or any other third party wallets.
There is also a big question if their open source code is going to be verified and reproducible, and I am not impressed with only Bluetooth connection, I would prefer to have camera and airgapped. functionality.
I think their main competition is Ledger Nano X, and maybe Safepal X1 is better choice because of it's price, bigger 1.8’ color screen and better battery.


https://www.safepal.com/en/store/x1

Safepal Blog article with more information:
https://blog.safepal.com/safepal-x1-open-source-wallet-suite/
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