New to Nano X Ledger and might have loss a transfer. Help please ?

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@Jersey7666 doesn't need to rush and can attempt a recovery once he understands things better. His MANA won't run away...

Quote from: tenant48 on July 12, 2022, 03:00:45 AM

This won't work because etherium and cronos have different derivation path numbers and will therefore have different addresses.

But there is still a chance to save the coins.
You need to find the private key from the eth address through the converter https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ and import it into the cronos wallet.
It is advisable to withdraw all other coins to another wallet before entering the seed into the converter, and at the end create a new seed on the ledger for security.
Of course, for a beginner, this will all be difficult, but I defend that there is a chance to save coins.

You have to understand and especially use a secure environment (eg. a non-persistant TAILS boot stick) to play with the offline version of the Ian Coleman script https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ when you expose your Mnemonic Seed words to dig out some private key for a specific derivation path und such more.

There's a lot that can go wrong here if a user doesn't fully understand what he's doing with such tools and in which security environment it's done.

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Quote from: tadamichi on July 12, 2022, 05:40:37 AM

So what about the metamask method the ethereum guys suggested?

I didn't work with metamask, but if ledger connected to metamask allows to use derivation path: 44'/60'/0'/0/0 along with cronos network, it might work. Need to try.

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Quote from: tenant48 on July 12, 2022, 03:00:45 AM

This won't work because etherium and cronos have different derivation path numbers and will therefore have different addresses.

Thanks, i wasnt sure how it works between different evm chains, as i never used them. But i just checked, on Ledger Live:

Ethereum uses "44'/60'/0'/0/0"
Cronos uses "44'/394'/0'/0/0"

So what about the metamask method the ethereum guys suggested?

Quote from: tenant48 on July 12, 2022, 03:00:45 AM

But there is still a chance to save the coins.
You need to find the private key from the eth address through the converter https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ and import it into the cronos wallet.
It is advisable to withdraw all other coins to another wallet before entering the seed into the converter, and at the end create a new seed on the ledger for security.
Of course, for a beginner, this will all be difficult, but I defend that there is a chance to save coins.

It’s not just advisable, but necessary if he ever types in his seed somewhere, that he has withdrawn every coin beforehand and never uses this seed again in the future. Just to make it more clear for a newbie.

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Quote from: tadamichi on July 08, 2022, 10:55:45 AM

Or maybe try this first first:

Maybe they generate the same seeds and you can already simply access them from your ledger by downloading the chronos app on it.

And then just go on ledger live and create a cronos account, then they should be there, if the seed is correct. (If youre using a passphrase use the same passphrase you created the ethereum account with when creating the cronos account)

This won't work because etherium and cronos have different derivation path numbers and will therefore have different addresses.

But there is still a chance to save the coins.
You need to find the private key from the eth address through the converter https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ and import it into the cronos wallet.
It is advisable to withdraw all other coins to another wallet before entering the seed into the converter, and at the end create a new seed on the ledger for security.
Of course, for a beginner, this will all be difficult, but I defend that there is a chance to save coins.

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Quote from: Jersey7666 on July 11, 2022, 08:52:55 AM

Thanks for the good advice people
I was able to locate it thanks to help on this thread (on the Cronos network) the exact amount of shares and order
It is just sitting there lol, I have not attempted to recover because I am pondering is it worth it to put everything else at risk??? I don't think so, it's only 500 shares of Mana and it's the least value of crypto I had so if it was going to happen to anything it might as well been the Mana, don't want to put my rest at risk. Just feels like I loss about $500 because I was a bonehead rushing on this one (with everything else I took my time) Once again thanks for you help, was greatly appreciated

Just go on ledger live.

Download the chronos app onto your ledger.
Then create a chronos account and check the balance.

You might be lucky and the seed is correct and you can get your 500$ back, this is literally risk free to do and something your ledger is built for. No third party software needed. All original ledger processes. Then just send the chronos back to the exchange and send your ethereum back to the ledger(this time as erc20 and a new correct address from an ethereum account on your ledger live), after this you can uninstall the chronos app again.

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Thanks for the good advice people
I was able to locate it thanks to help on this thread (on the Cronos network) the exact amount of shares and order
It is just sitting there lol, I have not attempted to recover because I am pondering is it worth it to put everything else at risk??? I don't think so, it's only 500 shares of Mana and it's the least value of crypto I had so if it was going to happen to anything it might as well been the Mana, don't want to put my rest at risk. Just feels like I loss about $500 because I was a bonehead rushing on this one (with everything else I took my time) Once again thanks for you help, was greatly appreciated

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Quote from: Pmalek on July 10, 2022, 03:28:13 AM

You shouldn't import your Ledger-generated seed into a hot wallet such as MetaMask to recover your MANA because you will be risking all your other assets as well. Especially if you have Bitcoin and some other alts of a significant value. Using that seed with MetaMask doesn't make it secure anymore.

I would move all my other crypto assets into different wallets generated from brand new seeds. After that, you can think about importing that seed into a hot wallet. If you mess up or get phished, the worse that can happen is you losing your MANA instead of MANA and everything else.

The seed will never leave the ledger otherwise, i wouldnt have suggested it. Metamask has native integration to work with hardware wallets. But he should try not going this route first, and try out option 2.

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You shouldn't import your Ledger-generated seed into a hot wallet such as MetaMask to recover your MANA because you will be risking all your other assets as well. Especially if you have Bitcoin and some other alts of a significant value. Using that seed with MetaMask doesn't make it secure anymore.

I would move all my other crypto assets into different wallets generated from brand new seeds. After that, you can think about importing that seed into a hot wallet. If you mess up or get phished, the worse that can happen is you losing your MANA instead of MANA and everything else.

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I hear i can get back through Meta Mask, but I never used (again I am a novice) I have a Nano X Ledger , so I can still use my recovery on Meta ?

First connect metamask to your ledger. Like here:

Quote from: https://metamask.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360020394612-How-to-connect-a-Trezor-or-Ledger-Hardware-Wallet

How to connect a Trezor or Ledger Hardware Wallet

Then you should be able to access the cronos network with the ethereum seed of your ledger.

Quote from: https://cronos.org/docs/getting-started/metamask.html

Using MetaMask on Cronos mainnet Beta

Try this and lets see if it will give you access to the coins. Im guessing here now too, never used metamask or cronos.

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Or maybe try this first first:

Maybe they generate the same seeds and you can already simply access them from your ledger by downloading the chronos app on it.

And then just go on ledger live and create a cronos account, then they should be there, if the seed is correct. (If youre using a passphrase use the same passphrase you created the ethereum account with when creating the cronos account)

Quote from: https://www.ledger.com/blog-ledger-live-adds-cronos-cro-support

LEDGER LIVE ADDS CRONOS (CRO) SUPPORT

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Quote from: tadamichi on July 08, 2022, 09:55:34 AM

Im not into shitcoins so i cant fully help you. However from what ive read is that cronos is a different chain, so you probably sent them to the wrong network. You can use some block explorer to check where they went, but if you dont have the keys to them, i dont think they can be recovered. If you generated the address from an ethereum account in ledger, i dont think you have the private keys on chronos.

If theyre on the wrong network, you should be able to type in the address here and see your coins, so atleast you know where they landed.

https://cronoscan.com/

Quote from: https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404389645329-Manage-ERC20-tokens?docs=true

Sending ERC20 tokens from an exchange
When you send ERC20 tokens from an exchange, make sure to select the ERC20 network type. Network types other than ERC20 are not supported in Ledger Live. If you use another network type to send ERC20 tokens, your tokens will not appear in Ledger Live and you may risk losing them.

Edit:

Quote from: https://www.reddit.com/r/Crypto_com/comments/u1c64f/i_just_lost_2500_in_eth_because_it_was_sent/i4bej44/?context=8&depth=9

Pretty dumb move, however the eth address seed would be the same as the cronos network seed. If you have access to the wallet uou sent it to, simply program the cronos network into meta mask, send some cro for gas and send the eth back

There might be some hope, check out this thread, there is some way to recover it trough metamask or something.

Thanks a bunch, will check out. Greatly appreciated

I was able to locate it on that link you gave me

https://cronoscan.com/

So at least I found it (it is the exact amount)

Just need to see if I can get it back

I hear i can get back through Meta Mask, but I never used (again I am a novice) I have a Nano X Ledger , so I can still use my recovery on Meta ?

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Quote from: Jersey7666 on July 08, 2022, 09:27:25 AM

I understand now I was supposed to select ERC20. So it has been 2 days and don't have on wallet nor back on Crypto.com. Am I completely beat? I had the correct wallet address but what can I do, any way I can recover my Mana?

You have to look if the transfer was initiated. The exchange should have given you a tx id. And you have to check on what network was the transfer done. Each blockchain is different, you can see it like a different universe.
If your coins were still sent on ETH blockchain (ethplorer.io, etherscan.io), you may have a chance. If it's on a different blockchain I don't know.

Disclaimer: I'm not in shitcoins either (at least not for years), nor crypto.com. I've used Ledger Nano S with some tokens long time ago though.

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Im not into shitcoins so i cant fully help you. However from what ive read is that cronos is a different chain, so you probably sent them to the wrong network. You can use some block explorer to check where they went, but if you dont have the keys to them, i dont think they can be recovered. If you generated the address from an ethereum account in ledger, i dont think you have the private keys on chronos.

If theyre on the wrong network, you should be able to type in the address here and see your coins, so atleast you know where they landed.

https://cronoscan.com/

Quote from: https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404389645329-Manage-ERC20-tokens?docs=true

Sending ERC20 tokens from an exchange
When you send ERC20 tokens from an exchange, make sure to select the ERC20 network type. Network types other than ERC20 are not supported in Ledger Live. If you use another network type to send ERC20 tokens, your tokens will not appear in Ledger Live and you may risk losing them.

Edit:

Quote from: https://www.reddit.com/r/Crypto_com/comments/u1c64f/i_just_lost_2500_in_eth_because_it_was_sent/i4bej44/?context=8&depth=9

Pretty dumb move, however the eth address seed would be the same as the cronos network seed. If you have access to the wallet uou sent it to, simply program the cronos network into meta mask, send some cro for gas and send the eth back

There might be some hope, check out this thread, there is some way to recover it trough metamask or something.

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After the whole Voyager debacle I decided to buy a Nano X(connected through Ledger Live) and transfer all my Crypto over. Started this process a few days ago and was very easy from sending from Coinbase, Gemini and Uphold. Everything went through. I believe I messed up sending Mana from Crypto.com. I def put the right address but on Crypto.com when you transfer they ask for network type and I put Cronos by mistake (after the fact) I understand now I was supposed to select ERC20. So it has been 2 days and don't have on wallet nor back on Crypto.com. Am I completely beat? I had the correct wallet address but what can I do, any way I can recover my Mana? I am still somewhat a novice to Crypto world and would appreciate any feedback at all to direct me if there is any steps I can take to recover this Mana? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, Crypto.com really can't do nothing and I can't get any support on Ledger Live.

Thanks

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