Topic: Newbie But Not Beginner (Read 516 times)

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If you are not sure what falls under unsolicited PMs, then it is better to avoid sending PMs to unknown forum members completely.

Avoid pm? Is it wrong to send personal message to others? Please clarify

The simplest definition of Merit source is that, they are different user which forum global moderator select base on an application for support via a circulation, distribution of Merit to people who made a post that is worthy of emulation for different denominations of boards in the community, actually they are regular posters and reputable members who knows the norms and ethics of the community

Asking of Merit is prohibited, because Merit is been giving base on the development, contribution of user through a formative communication that brings innovation or educate another person, in the aspect of PM, a pm can be prohibited when you abuse it, via wrong communication.

Here is one @Blackviruse standing on the side of the newbies and speaking from direct observation and from his mind. I'm glad you did, really and it's more like a mum warning his or her child to be careful of wolves in sheep clothings, they are very vicious.

Well, most of the things you've pointed out are obviously true but to some extent, I disagree with you. Though we are at first anonymous here and you've got almost zero concerned users for their neighbors in the forum as we believe we all are sharing this one community, some have made a friendship with others ileven with that anonymity and others have taken it further to unmask themselves to some other users based on the trust and a bond that could develop from anywhere at any point in time especially in the local boards.

The forum users, we care for ourselves but we value the forum even more and so preserving it's integrity and decency is everyone's task and so, we ensure everyone keeps to the rules as much as possible. This is you @Blackvirus standing on the side of the newbies to show you care, there you got merited by a forum user to show he or she cares and understands your argument and so it goes so, lots of users, I inclusive have been known to grow through the ranks because of the other members who appreciates my contributions in the forum. So, the users of this forum do care very much for one another.

The forum thus offers second chances but it's very much based on the gravity of the offense committed against the forum and even at that, you've always got a chance to defend yourself. If it turns out that you were banned temporarily, you just might get an email to send an appeal mail to but if otherwise, you can still create an Alt solely for the purpose of appealing the ban as doing anything else with the Alt would be considered a ban evasion and that too is an offense.

Anyway, in all you do, it's best you keep to rules to maintain a stable community else, it all ends in chaos and so, the rules are stiffened.

How do you earn your merits if no one wants to give them to you? It's all connected. A post can can be highly merit-worthy, but it has received no or very few merits. It can also be a post that took little time to write and no real effort, but it received more merits then the one that is clearly better. There are no rules to measure quality. 

What is mine will always come with time Im not really here for the merit system rather I'm here to increase my Cryptocurrency knowledge and advocate for fairness and a better forum with no hate and grudge. In my culture a man who work hard to feed his children is much more better than the one who steal from others to feed his children. Merit is earned not given.

It is an online forum. You are supposed to be a ghost. We are not family or blood-related. You either share a love or appreciation of Bitcoin and the community greets you with open arms, or you attack and troll everywhere and the community doesn't. Which one do you want to be? 

God bless thymos the thermos!

Some merit sources don't distribute all their merits and theymos lowers their usual allocation. Others, who distribute more can have their allocation increased.

Spam and scam busters are useful to the forum. They are the first users who research all the crappy new projects that arise every day and sound the alarm for the community to see. This is not an easy task and it is not for everyone.

That is how things work here. Some users pay a hefty price for past mistakes. Others pay a little less. Sometimes it is sad to see good members go especially when you consider that others were allowed to stay. But there are no official rules here, just the admin's interpretation of those rules.

Why don't you just tell us what you know. If you have proof of something, you post it.

Although I appreciate good art and I am a football fan, how are the majority of such discussions valuable for a Bitcoin forum?

This is true. But not in relation to your art and football posts. If you are talking about merit sources, then a user shouldn't be a merit source if he can't or doesn't find posts worth meriting.

If you have proof for that, you should post it.

Because like I said before. It's a case-by-case decision. The admins make their choices based on their interpretations of what happened and who committed the offense. 

You have concluded that you can understand the forum in no time, indicating that you have experience in other forums but what you know on this forum is not what you think it is. Maybe at that time, you realized that you would position yourself in the newbie rank as a beginner in a new place.

Could be another alt of cryptohunter? KaneVWE?

I suppose that posting and repeating the same things that have been written a thousand times before, has a therapeutic effect for some, which I think is a nice side-effect of these boards.

Well, then let's see how all the rules are understood and learned. As your experience seems to come from the number of mistakes you have made. I have not met such an experienced newbie here who, in the fifth publication, expressed his opinion on the merit system and gave a short description of everyone whom he does not like.
Nevertheless, I like you because you do not ask for merit and say what you think. Sometimes it’s much better than looking very humble when you’re feeling hurt.

You talk with so much wisdom and understanding we are humans and we are bound to make mistakes or misjudge and we must adapt to anywhere we found ourselves the rules of the forum are boldly stated and we must obey it or perish we have no choice but I would suggest the use of bot I don't know if we have any on the forum

I am not going to say what the OP said was 100% true and I would not say that it was 100% wrong either. I will only think of it as a perspective that is known from experience, observation and so on. You are really not a newbie, because you have the ability to talk more than just that.

I am aware that all bitcointalk user are those who are governed by the system, and the rule that apply. The goal is to achieve the final target better as expected. No system is perfect and that is normal for all system because not everyone has the same perspective. The prevailing system doesn't work for us but we have to work under the system and this is called loyalty. When you and I can work well under a system, then we will be useful user with a lot of knowledge.

But one thing you have to realize here is that everyone involved in forums is human, and nobody is perfect and we all have our own egos. If you find something wrong with the system as well as the user running the system then use a reputation board for a much better answer and provide some concrete evidence that it is the wrong thing.

What a load of bullshit.Judging by the way you complain about double standards and plagiarism you probably got banned and now you spread some crap.If you really have some proof about merit sources selling merit,why don't you share it?You are newbie alt account so you dont have to worry about retaliation or getting tagged.

Bad way to fish  merit bro, try better next time.

Newbies, please spend time reading this post so that you will not be shocked when you created a violation unintentionally.

That's the problem when people are getting reported or doing something wrong in this forum, the common excuse that they are using is that they are not informed about the rules and regulations here in this forum. There's a lot of thread regarding that and this is one of the examples here, but still, they are lazy enough to read a lot of guides. These threads are the keys to help eliminate ignorance in this forum and help to keep your performance in making informative posts much better.

It is contradicting each other. A poster can not asses which post is good or bad to send or not send smerit to if that poster can not be able to make good posts. You can not assess post quality is good if you are shitposter. A bounty reporter can not understand a good post and can not verify quality of it.

A merit source does not need to be an active poster but must be a good poster before has a role as a merit source.

Merit source did distribute their smerit to those who are worthy to send to. They did not let the smerot decay by not sending it. Just so you know to become a merit source, you don't need to be a good poster and you will be selected as a merit source if you know what post should be merited and not just send merit here send merit there even if the post is not worthy to read or send merit at all.

it was obvious that this system would not be good, this forum has hundreds of members, but it has few SMerits, with this system, it practically condemns new members even if they stay for years on the forum and make a good post they will not up ranking... Is a failed system just like my country's failed democratic system. But unfortunately it's the system that we have that will never change, at least I don't expect to see any change someday


 

did you notice that too? so you are not even a Newbie


unfortunately this Is another bad side of the forum ... I agree that people should have second and third chances


4 years ago it was much worse than nowadays, the "political"  disputes to become DT or remove some DT were constant, look at the scam and reputation sections that you will understand, in the threads of the battles few or no Newbie dared to make any post. Today the battles are no longer about honor and politics to become DT or remove some DT, today it is about marketing to earn merits. 

Your knowledge is much more than it should be for a beginner. But again, what's stopping you from becoming a useful forum member? Your claims have some subtext. If there is a violation of the rules of the forum, and a person is banned, then he can file an appeal. And only moderators have the right to decide his future fate.
But admit that most of those who are banned on the forum are only concerned with personal problems. And that is, they publish obvious nonsense, bounty reports, spam, or plagiarism. Are they useful posters?
Therefore, while you have not yet inherited your past mistakes, pull yourself together, and start writing worthy posts, and by doing so, merit-sources will pay attention to you. Do not doubt.

Well said but I'm not against volunteer ghost workers doing the so-called cleaning job my only problem is injustice I'm advocating for equal justice cause I don't see a reason why for example two users committed the same offense one is permanently banned why the other gets a signature ban only. I wonder why and sometimes I feel we should allow thymos and his staffs to do their job they are professionals with a good reputation

Most of these Forum cleaners are not good posters so I wonder how they get merits because I know how merits works I have keen eyes

On the tone of Merit Sources, not all of them applied to become one though; some were appointed probably based on their reputation (this is a multidimensional concept) at the time, and a believe that they would constitute a decent enough Source.
Merit Source sMerit does not really decay, but rather it will not exceed a certain amount, which is variable per Source. It’s a bit tricky to understand, but the (very) basic idea is that if your bucket is full, you don’t get any more until it’s not full.

Merit Sources, surprisingly, are not bots, and have a live, and perhaps even a job to attend to. Therefore, their time of the forum is voluntary, and limited, subject to their real life day to day needs. This will lead to periods of time when they can be more active or less active, and may even cease their sMerit awarding activity. There are even streaks of day’s where some are not in a meriting mood, and others where they become exceedingly generous. Why they are not forcefully strapped to their keyboard, and given a periodic 220V discharge on their noble zone, until they empty their sMerit allowance, beats me.

Fortunately, the forum does oversee is someway their awarding habits, and every now and then, readjusts Merit Source’s sMerit allowance, increasing or decreasing it based on their awarding habits. Others may be appointed and some even removed. This is not a task that takes place frequently, but it does occur (not as often as even some Merit Sources would like).

The amazing thing here is that you registered on this forum yesterday but you know a whole lot about the forum. This is either an alt account which will be banned soon or your judgement is based on what you've heard. I've seen a topic about merit sources who are not giving merits because they are inactive for unknown reason which can be expected. You sound very angry though and you posting messages in a row is also a violation
You may want to read the rules of the forum and get acquainted with them.

Haha. This is a confession. And I just fit your description. Very "friendly", I can say you relate to those who clean the forum from cheaters.
On the other hand, I read notes of resentment in your text. What does it mean that someone looks for a violation is working for merit? One gets the impression that this is not your first forum account.
In any case, you post several posts in a row. This is a sign that you are not familiar with the rules and have not read them. To avoid further misunderstandings, first, study the rules of the forum.

Merit sources like most other users have boards they frequent, and they are appointed on this basis. A source who is active on a couple of boards would majorly distribute merits there, you wouldn't expect them to venture into sections they have little knowledge of as they would not be able to discern which post is quality and which is not.
Also quality is subjective, if you find 50-100 good posts per hour you can report then here - [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source.

If you're going to make this accusation, you should show some sort of proof, otherwise it's just baseless trolling.

There are hundreds of good posts on this forum daily, a lot of art competitions, a lot of football banter and if someone can not figure one post to merit then such person should be looked into, posts not meeting criteria is not an excuse and can never be this forum is big enough to produce 50-100 good posts per hour. Most of them sell merits so they accumulate them to make a profit for themselves 

I know all the techniques on this forum I know exactly what you are doing I was once like you too I don't want to list out merits source who don't share merits on this forum but if you push me harder I might take the risk and share you a link I've seen things most Legendary is yet to see the secrets of the forum is too obvious if you have keen eyes

Hahaha, I do believe it's not true but you know what, I may agree on some point because that's what it really seems. Well, most probably they are just picky.
Wth, are there members here whose main agenda is only to find mistakes from co members and report it? He has a special place in hell if ever lol but I think there is no such human like that.

Some or someone like you? I have a gut feeling that what you said was based on your own experience because I can feel the grudge in your words .

Firstly, theymos is the forum administrator, not the global mod.
About smerit for sources, I do not think most of them fail to use up their stash, some do due to inactivity or failure to find enough merit worthy posts which meets their criteria.

The forum does not expect anyone to be a hero (whatever that is in this context), there are just a set of rules which guides the activity on the forum, and failure to keep to those rules attracts some level of punishment. Asides this, the forum is designed to be as free as possible and to accommodate the various interests of members.
Some members have gotten permanent bans reduced to signature bans on the merit of their overall contribution to the forum, so that counts for something.

Why would someone advertise and have to wait for short to long time depending on when the person was chosen, just to be a merit source and the person is not paid to do so, this same person can have one-many other things doing in the life outside the forum but accepts that position to serve/work-for the forum for free as a merit source all just for the person to watch smerit allocated to them decay! Thats such a mis-leading lie, if they are merit sources and get smerit the are to give it out not quality and not just because they have it, if you work your ass they would find you.

Newbie but not Beginners club is self-oriented I want all the newbies to understand how the forum operates in other not to join the Newbie but not Beginners club.In this forum, everyone is a ghost no brothers or sisters here, there are several clubs on this forum and for safety reason look for one and join and be relevant they don't accommodate laziness but your security and support are guaranteed, most of those elite members are merits source.

Who are merit sources?
These are individual among us who applied and were selected by the Global Moderator(thymos)after so many screening, these are people with a good reputation on the forum , they are good posters, smerits are generated and shared to them to distribute to post they found fit but mind you most of these merit source dont distribute merits they allow it to decay if you ask me why I don't know.

Volunteer ghost workers
These set of people don't contribute any thing to the forum they feed on others to gain favour and merits they are responsible for most of the banned accounts they go through all posts on the forum not reading but looking for flukes taking advantage of your mistakes then report your account to board moderators and get you to ban while they receive merits and level up. They don't comment, they don't post, they don't consider they feed on you to survive and gain favor.

No Second Chance.
This forum doesn't tolerate nonsense they only accommodate heroes and not losers, they only want the best from you and expect you to win-win-win the day you lost any battle you are out, several good posters dedicate their lives to this forum who had thousands of good and constructive posts over the years but were kicked out for plagiarism, they had 1k good posts and 1 bad post and were send packing no second chance so you must be at your best no fluke only 100% accepted here.

Don't Beg and avoid PM
Do not beg for merit here it's highly prohibited and don't send an unnecessary PM it might get you kicked out remember here is no friend zone everybody is on the watch and don't abuse any high profile users to avoid red flags. Be positive you are on the right forum but be extremely careful don't make the mistake of some Newbie but not Beginners members made.