I think this is among the most vital information for me. And i am glad reading your article. But wanna remark on few general things, The website style is wonderful, the articles is really great
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Thanks for the response and glad to hear that there would be interest. I hope to make a start on it this month, and being London based attend to BitCoin conference in London for more idea's, and feedback.
That is correct that the website just goes the GoDaddy, I literally have just registered the domain and not even setup a holding page yet! Guess I should at least put a holding page up!
I totally agree about the ad's, I don't find them very profitable anyways and would hope to make revenue in other ways that aren't ad based. This seems easy enough in the emerging bitcoin market, even through simple things like running some form of uk E-Currency to BitCoin dispenser with % Fee's and small .X BTC per transaction methods would be my preferred method of revenue over ads.
That is correct that the website just goes the GoDaddy, I literally have just registered the domain and not even setup a holding page yet! Guess I should at least put a holding page up!
I totally agree about the ad's, I don't find them very profitable anyways and would hope to make revenue in other ways that aren't ad based. This seems easy enough in the emerging bitcoin market, even through simple things like running some form of uk E-Currency to BitCoin dispenser with % Fee's and small .X BTC per transaction methods would be my preferred method of revenue over ads.
all links lead to godaddy.
As someone who would enjoy a good bitcoin website (especially since I find almost everything out there utter crap at the moment) please limit the ads on your site. I know you'll want to make revenue, but coinurl links are annoying. And I will close a site if half the page is advertisements.
Overall, I think it could be a good idea as a comprehensive bitcoin resource if done well. Good luck.
Oh, and as for your last question. Personally, I think it would be better to go it alone, or find someone willing to help with the site. There is no reason in my eyes for you to ask for money in order to create the site. Money should come from content, not people 'investing'. At least for a startup site.
Overall, I think it could be a good idea as a comprehensive bitcoin resource if done well. Good luck.
Oh, and as for your last question. Personally, I think it would be better to go it alone, or find someone willing to help with the site. There is no reason in my eyes for you to ask for money in order to create the site. Money should come from content, not people 'investing'. At least for a startup site.
This is a continuation of my first post as a new UK/GBP BitCoiner and wanting to start a site that takes the best recommendations from the community and puts it into a Non Forum easy to use Website for total newbies to very easily get started with BitCoin
I've already bought a domain which I hope to start developing into a concept as I've tried to just take note of things that have been stumbling points along the way for me as a UK techy just getting bitcoins easily and I think I've got some good idea's.
http://ForBitCo.in
I have a real like for using Top-Level domains as part of the name until we start seeing more than just .Com and new Top Level Domains being sold by ICANN I think it's a really helpful easy way to do things by creating a website name that's easy to remember and uses subdomains as if the name was a top level domain. Hence the name ForBitCo.in (In the past I've used .es for instance and .me to create names for ForPhon.es and ForGam.es with the idea that you could have simple names like Chargers.ForPhon.es and Cash.ForPhon.es, etc as portals to different Phone related services. I want to use the same model with ForBitCo.in (Not attempting to steal of copy the existing forbitcoin.com website which I didn't come across until trying to come up with a name for my own site and love what ForBitCoin.Com does and would want to give users a recommended site either similar to ForBitCoin if the community feels there are better options, or directly to ForBitCoin through the portal of say Work.ForBitCo.in / Jobs.ForBitCo.in / Services.ForBitCo.in
I hope to start with a very simply place for people in the UK (obviously best to start with what you know and have experienced) can go and get a newbie handheld quick setup with BitCoins but also as a techy and advanced user I don't want to have it dumbed down soley to just newbies but also not become so free/wild/out of control as complete forum/unmoderated/community recommended huge lists of options/ways to do things and sites, as I think it's overwhelming for even the most advanced and interested user.
So to provide both of thees experiences I see most every category being broken down into two main focuses
1) Fastest option / Newbie easy option (but likely not the cheapest most cost effective solution as that's what you pay for sometimes to get things fast, easy, done for you)
2) Advanced / Techie / Slower / Best Deal Longer Way
I really want to focus on limiting options so that it's not entirely commercially driven the two options but it's not entirely community/anyone recommends solutions and there becomes 5 different advanced ways to do one task. I want to go with the best overall solution that a more advanced user would be happy with, and at times could be commercially beneficial as a website through referrals, ad revenue, cross promotion, etc when this is possible. This will NOT however be the deciding factor and if the best solution is one that will have absolutely zero positive commercial impact on ForBitCo.in that's fine if it is the best option for users as that's the overall aim and I know that there will be other opportunities along the way to offer things that do benefit the site and more so because users will be more happy with the overall experience and feel of the site and want to recommend it and continue using it for other services as well. Which is where the opportunity would present itself to possibly offer other services that are more beneficial commercially to the viability of the website as a whole.
One example I can think of though I haven't looked into, is e-wallet services. I wouldn't even bother trying to create another e-wallet when great ones already exist, and my guess is that there is likely little gain off recommending them to people other than the fact that can be confident in the above, that it's one of the best e-wallet's out there for BitCoin that a majority of the community recommend for various reasons. Whether this is StrongCoin, BlockChain, and Exchange, I don't know and it's a separate discussion that I look forward to having with people on here but it's just an example that as a key part of the BitCoin experience it's crucial that people have a simple, easy to use, safe, trusted e-wallet or wallet to store their BitCoins in. If we get them setup with this, their overall impression and experience with BitCoins in general is likely to be better and hopefully they will come back to BitCoins and specifically to ForBitCo.in for other services such as buying things online, exchange e-currency's, etc etc.
So using these generalised idea's of a 2 focused solution for each of the problems, the 3 things below are the first problems I feel any new user to any new e-currency will have to sort out and if these are easy to do quickly and in one place then its going to benefit the community as a whole.
1) http://pay.forbitco.in/ (Buying BitCoins / linked portal for
http://trade.forbitco.in/ http://exchange.forbitco.in/ (Trade SOMETHING for BitCoins or Exchange E-Currency, gift cards, etc, for BTC I don't see Trade or Exchange as essential to the BitCoin setup experience / Phase 1 as long as we allow new users a simple way to buy BitCoins easily. If they do this quick and easy then for Phase 1 if we link to a few sites that are good for trading/exchanging then we've accomplished step 1 in the first phase in my mind.
- Pay for BitCo.in's with a Credit Card through some easy way whether it's buying it on ebay through PayPal, Google Checkout, Amazon, I don't care as long as a person can very easily get a starting amount 1, 5, 10 BTC with a credit card or paypal or some very fast easy method that is a way familiar to all new users and users of the web that have shopped online before. I understand there are commercial risks for giving BitCoins for things that could be easily reversible and want to get a better understanding of how to limit the ways a person could chargeback, or at least limit the ways they can charge back and win at a minimum. Again by limiting the amounts to starter amounts it limits some of the risk, but I want to know more about the problem with Chargebacks and how to deal with this. My solution so far is to require first class recorded delivery which costs only £1.55 and from the little I understand this delivery method of a voucher, physical coin or password, e-wallet credentials, QR code, I don't know but if they buy it and sign for it my understanding is this could limit the risk while still able to do it fairly quickly with first class, or even a more expensive but still fairly reasonable Courier with signature and track and next delivery before 12pm so that a new user to BitCoin could have 5 BitCoins by the same time the following day. I think this is a reasonable waiting time for most people and if this helps limit company exposure to charge backs and is the only way forward fine, if there is another way so that we can instantly provide some BTC with less risk even better.
- Slower methods would offer much lower handling fee's/no handling fee's such as MtGox bank transfers, cash deposits, local bit coin recommendation, etc.
2) http://wallet.forbitco.in/
- Basic option for a simple good e-wallet that does it all
- More advanced option, desktop client, phone app, that sort of thing maybe
3) http://money.forbitco.in/
- Simple Fast way to get GBP £ / Visa / Instantly Spendable money of some sort for Coins
- Best way to get the most GBP / Spending Power from selling your coins (bank transfer dunno, linked debit card, not sure)
I see those as the 3 basic functions needed for any e-currency, and as much as I despise them the PayPal model is best to look at for what is easy and of course all of it may not be applicable to BTC but where possible I like to apply the same idea's for a new user starting with PayPal as a new user starting with BTC. Fast, simple, and easy and at a worst case 24 hours after sign up they are shopping/spending BitCoins online.
Phase 2 of the site would then cover all the other fantastic services and things you can do with BitCoin and would be where I think the site has the largest chance of being a commercially viable website through ad revenues, referrals, creation of own services that take fee's, who knows but none of Phase 2 will work if Phase 1 isn't a great simple fast solution that UK users start talking about, and keep going back to. If Phase 1 works well and accomplishes all those goals, then anything that is done in Phase 2 well should be a great revenue stream/promotional utility for the website to continue in it's growth without having an advertising/marketing budget. I've posted far far to much for one newbie though so I will leave it as this and look forward to hearing feedback!!
Anyone have experience and recommendations about whether it's worth compiling this full Phase 1 plan into a business plan that could be funded/posted on GLBSE (BitCoin Stock Exchange) or is it best to just go it alone, go it alone to start and then Phase 2 look at funding/GLBSE/Other. Idea's?
Thanks everyone!
Jeremy
I've already bought a domain which I hope to start developing into a concept as I've tried to just take note of things that have been stumbling points along the way for me as a UK techy just getting bitcoins easily and I think I've got some good idea's.
http://ForBitCo.in
I have a real like for using Top-Level domains as part of the name until we start seeing more than just .Com and new Top Level Domains being sold by ICANN I think it's a really helpful easy way to do things by creating a website name that's easy to remember and uses subdomains as if the name was a top level domain. Hence the name ForBitCo.in (In the past I've used .es for instance and .me to create names for ForPhon.es and ForGam.es with the idea that you could have simple names like Chargers.ForPhon.es and Cash.ForPhon.es, etc as portals to different Phone related services. I want to use the same model with ForBitCo.in (Not attempting to steal of copy the existing forbitcoin.com website which I didn't come across until trying to come up with a name for my own site and love what ForBitCoin.Com does and would want to give users a recommended site either similar to ForBitCoin if the community feels there are better options, or directly to ForBitCoin through the portal of say Work.ForBitCo.in / Jobs.ForBitCo.in / Services.ForBitCo.in
I hope to start with a very simply place for people in the UK (obviously best to start with what you know and have experienced) can go and get a newbie handheld quick setup with BitCoins but also as a techy and advanced user I don't want to have it dumbed down soley to just newbies but also not become so free/wild/out of control as complete forum/unmoderated/community recommended huge lists of options/ways to do things and sites, as I think it's overwhelming for even the most advanced and interested user.
So to provide both of thees experiences I see most every category being broken down into two main focuses
1) Fastest option / Newbie easy option (but likely not the cheapest most cost effective solution as that's what you pay for sometimes to get things fast, easy, done for you)
2) Advanced / Techie / Slower / Best Deal Longer Way
I really want to focus on limiting options so that it's not entirely commercially driven the two options but it's not entirely community/anyone recommends solutions and there becomes 5 different advanced ways to do one task. I want to go with the best overall solution that a more advanced user would be happy with, and at times could be commercially beneficial as a website through referrals, ad revenue, cross promotion, etc when this is possible. This will NOT however be the deciding factor and if the best solution is one that will have absolutely zero positive commercial impact on ForBitCo.in that's fine if it is the best option for users as that's the overall aim and I know that there will be other opportunities along the way to offer things that do benefit the site and more so because users will be more happy with the overall experience and feel of the site and want to recommend it and continue using it for other services as well. Which is where the opportunity would present itself to possibly offer other services that are more beneficial commercially to the viability of the website as a whole.
One example I can think of though I haven't looked into, is e-wallet services. I wouldn't even bother trying to create another e-wallet when great ones already exist, and my guess is that there is likely little gain off recommending them to people other than the fact that can be confident in the above, that it's one of the best e-wallet's out there for BitCoin that a majority of the community recommend for various reasons. Whether this is StrongCoin, BlockChain, and Exchange, I don't know and it's a separate discussion that I look forward to having with people on here but it's just an example that as a key part of the BitCoin experience it's crucial that people have a simple, easy to use, safe, trusted e-wallet or wallet to store their BitCoins in. If we get them setup with this, their overall impression and experience with BitCoins in general is likely to be better and hopefully they will come back to BitCoins and specifically to ForBitCo.in for other services such as buying things online, exchange e-currency's, etc etc.
So using these generalised idea's of a 2 focused solution for each of the problems, the 3 things below are the first problems I feel any new user to any new e-currency will have to sort out and if these are easy to do quickly and in one place then its going to benefit the community as a whole.
1) http://pay.forbitco.in/ (Buying BitCoins / linked portal for
http://trade.forbitco.in/ http://exchange.forbitco.in/ (Trade SOMETHING for BitCoins or Exchange E-Currency, gift cards, etc, for BTC I don't see Trade or Exchange as essential to the BitCoin setup experience / Phase 1 as long as we allow new users a simple way to buy BitCoins easily. If they do this quick and easy then for Phase 1 if we link to a few sites that are good for trading/exchanging then we've accomplished step 1 in the first phase in my mind.
- Pay for BitCo.in's with a Credit Card through some easy way whether it's buying it on ebay through PayPal, Google Checkout, Amazon, I don't care as long as a person can very easily get a starting amount 1, 5, 10 BTC with a credit card or paypal or some very fast easy method that is a way familiar to all new users and users of the web that have shopped online before. I understand there are commercial risks for giving BitCoins for things that could be easily reversible and want to get a better understanding of how to limit the ways a person could chargeback, or at least limit the ways they can charge back and win at a minimum. Again by limiting the amounts to starter amounts it limits some of the risk, but I want to know more about the problem with Chargebacks and how to deal with this. My solution so far is to require first class recorded delivery which costs only £1.55 and from the little I understand this delivery method of a voucher, physical coin or password, e-wallet credentials, QR code, I don't know but if they buy it and sign for it my understanding is this could limit the risk while still able to do it fairly quickly with first class, or even a more expensive but still fairly reasonable Courier with signature and track and next delivery before 12pm so that a new user to BitCoin could have 5 BitCoins by the same time the following day. I think this is a reasonable waiting time for most people and if this helps limit company exposure to charge backs and is the only way forward fine, if there is another way so that we can instantly provide some BTC with less risk even better.
- Slower methods would offer much lower handling fee's/no handling fee's such as MtGox bank transfers, cash deposits, local bit coin recommendation, etc.
2) http://wallet.forbitco.in/
- Basic option for a simple good e-wallet that does it all
- More advanced option, desktop client, phone app, that sort of thing maybe
3) http://money.forbitco.in/
- Simple Fast way to get GBP £ / Visa / Instantly Spendable money of some sort for Coins
- Best way to get the most GBP / Spending Power from selling your coins (bank transfer dunno, linked debit card, not sure)
I see those as the 3 basic functions needed for any e-currency, and as much as I despise them the PayPal model is best to look at for what is easy and of course all of it may not be applicable to BTC but where possible I like to apply the same idea's for a new user starting with PayPal as a new user starting with BTC. Fast, simple, and easy and at a worst case 24 hours after sign up they are shopping/spending BitCoins online.
Phase 2 of the site would then cover all the other fantastic services and things you can do with BitCoin and would be where I think the site has the largest chance of being a commercially viable website through ad revenues, referrals, creation of own services that take fee's, who knows but none of Phase 2 will work if Phase 1 isn't a great simple fast solution that UK users start talking about, and keep going back to. If Phase 1 works well and accomplishes all those goals, then anything that is done in Phase 2 well should be a great revenue stream/promotional utility for the website to continue in it's growth without having an advertising/marketing budget. I've posted far far to much for one newbie though so I will leave it as this and look forward to hearing feedback!!
Anyone have experience and recommendations about whether it's worth compiling this full Phase 1 plan into a business plan that could be funded/posted on GLBSE (BitCoin Stock Exchange) or is it best to just go it alone, go it alone to start and then Phase 2 look at funding/GLBSE/Other. Idea's?
Thanks everyone!
Jeremy
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