Topic: Newbies are not Scums.... Learning is a Process and it's progressive. (Read 790 times)

I am totally agree with you.Newbie here want learn more an more.Bitcoin is a big platform.Bitcoin market is always up down condition.Also have many technical issues.when come a new they want to know so many things.Also if he/se know anything they also share in this Forum.

Hey if you must know this forum gives everyone equal rights and no one should intimidate you for any reason in as much as you know what you are doing then fine. Accept that you don't know it all and allow those who claims to know what you don't rub mess on themselves, what you need is to keep short while they are talking and learn from them until you noticed they are out of point then you can then bring the one you know is good for you.
Usually I have learned from many people here and that doesn't mean that don't know what they are doing and there are few people i do love reading their post because it's educative.

Not only newbies, everyone in this life need to treated with kindness and sympathy.
This life is full of lessons. It has taught a lot of people great and memorable lessons. irrespective of where you might found your self, try and be tolerance, generous and sympathetic. If one feels so powerful today, he or she should remember, time is more powerful than he or she thinks. when it's comes, it would be more understood. So if one knows about all of these, it will be better to be cautious of consequences of maltreatment.
Being it a newbie, jnr member or hero we should try and rearrange our character towards others especially those that are thought to be more inferior.
we should bear it in mind that things done to us can be forgiven but not all things are forgotten.


Is good to be good all the time. I think for someone to be happy and have rest of mind, one should not take things personal in life. Be confident in what you do and don't feel intimidated. Even when you feel that someone is trying to intimidate you.  Just maintain your focus and keep moving.Not how far but how best. The end always justifies who you are.
Don't look down on anyone,seek help when you feel like doing so. Is not good for one to treat another person badly especially when you feel like life favours you because life is said to be rotating. Sometimes it turns in favor of you whereby sometimes it turns against you.

I'm a newbie and absolutely we aren't scums, we're all here to learn and get motivated. And I've gone through the rules and guidelines on this forum and I know what to say and where not to be post. They should be kind with the newbies because everybody here pass through the way we're now we should all help ourselves because we the newbies are here to learn. I won't lie to you but ever since i got registered here I've made progress in some aspects concerning Bitcoin investment and some trends news also. They always say that " you can't plant a tree and grows the sameday and without watering it, it won't grow well" so we the newbies are here to accomplish what makes us to be here indefinitely. People battling with the newbies please stop because we're not scums.

Nobody is here to make an attack with anyone neither we are here to improve more with our life's and to know more about what we want to invest with our lifetime.

For me I respect everyone on here both the newbies, member, jr members, s members etc. because they all pass through newbies and i see them like my mentors in every way. I know their are good people on here that also love seeing the newbies starting because it gives them joy, the majority of people here are nice but let not the other once poisoned the heart of the good one's here. And what I understand is that being a newbie it's not that we don't have knowledge but it's because we haven't gotten to the rank of the other higher ones on here. So let's treat ourselves as a human and by the end of the day we all learn from each other's and by the way there's no disrespecting the newbies here because they're going to grow like other ones as well. I've always keep wondering why would they keep attacking the Newbies? Do they mean that they don't want anyone on here any longer? For me I'm here to achieve and learn more about Bitcoin so that by the end of the day I can boost that I know where my investment and income is going. So let's be nice with everyone newbie on here we're all here to learn, because learning is a process and it's progressive without learning you won't know nothing.

Newbies absolutely, unequivocally are not ‘scums.’ All of us here on this forum were newbies at some time. Time registered on this forum does not give you any kind of status or deserving of more respect than anybody else. We should all be pleasant to & respect newbies, we should be willing to provide help & assistance to anybody new who requires it. The majority of people here are good people, being a newbie should not discourage you from participating in conversation & debate.

Can you show us with an example on when and where you got attacked as a newbie for posting what is required of you to do, no one attacks each other here, we rather encourage the newbies to learn and grow, give recommendations and refer them to the right path to take as a beginner, but any newbie receiving attacks from other members here isn't doing the right thing, such could be that he is a spammer, troller or scammer.

You are correct because everyone in this forum was once a newbie and we don't have to act like we have not been a newbie before which is one of the reasons why we need to make sure we help people that are coming up in the forum.
This might not be an easy stage now that getting merits could be very difficult for us not like the way it used to be before.
One needs to be prepared to work and make good posts to be able to get merits.

Everybody or almost everybody pass through same thing you are passing right now so don't see it as a big deal or take it to heart and I am 100 percent sure that it's not everybody that is criticizing or belittling you here, even outside this place there are people who criticize and belittle others forgetting they have been in that position before that's human for you but the ability for you not to take those criticism to heart will help you grow that's tolerance, you need that characteristic to grow in anywhere you find yourself.

No one is born learning anything. Time and practice help you learn. No one here on the forum became obsolete as soon as they entered the forum. Everyone was newbie at one time. Then slowly through his own actions, he grew in his own position with data. Also I don't think anyone on the forum called newbies dirty. Every person in the world has a different nature. Maybe the other person didn't like the fact that you discussed something new. Since there are different types of people in the forum, you would expect good behavior from everyone, which is not true. You manage a variety of posts and discussions as your own. Surely you will get promoted and become old at some point.

Indeed, everyone joined the forum for different reasons, and no one can be unfairly judged for their own reasons. The forum is large enough to accommodate everyone, but what you post and how you contribute here will define how others perceive you, so it's important to take the time to fully understand things before participating in the forum. Bitcointalk is not an office for anyone, rather, it is a place for discussion and education regarding bitcoin. Although, the information obtained here can be used to create wealth.


Can you show us a post where you are not wrong and someone just criticized you for being a newbie? This is unlike the forum. While trying to grow as a beginner be it in this forum or outside the forum, you will eventually get criticized in what you do especially when you are not doing it well. When a newbie skips the learning process and wants to start teaching others it is likely a disguise from an experienced forum member or when someone displays pure act of negligence to follow through the learning process, such acts are seen as a deceitful act in the forum and such users are not to be trusted.
People use newbie account to deceive and scam people that why newbie accounts are always suspicious here so a newbie is supposed to act as a newbie else they will get criticized easily.


You are not forced to be here and if you feel you have a job paying you enough that makes you feel you are bigger than this forum then there is no reason to be here. No one is bigger than knowledge and it doesn't matter how big you might be if you you seek knowledge you must obey and be submissive to whomever your teacher is regardless of their age or status so same thing applies here, you seek knowledge but you feel you are too big to be treated that way. You are not the first newbie to experience this and this probably because you are getting something wrong so I would suggest you amend your ways and be loyal and develop a thick skin to withstand criticism.


Nobody is making fun of anyone here. The standards are very high and have brought out the best in those who could handle the criticism. Those who couldn't handle it were not suitable for this place, and the standards here are much higher than their capabilities. Take it as a challenge, if you can withstand it, you are destined to succeed here. Everyone you see here was once newbies and has faced criticism in one form or another but they have endured proving that they are capable of being here. You must do the same if you really want to be here.

It's not for you, then.  And by the way, there's no point system for disrespect shown toward newbies or anyone else.  It just so happens that there are a fuckload of scammers, degenerate gamblers, perverts, retards, and just plain stupid people making posts (or worse, creating threads), and it's usually so they can earn merits-->rank up-->earn as much $ as possible.

It's been that way for years.  Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.  And yeah I know I'm late in saying that but I just stumbled across this thread.

From what people who venture out into the real world tell me, youngsters these days have nothing even closely resembling a thick skin--I don't know if those "safe spaces" still exist, but that's a good example of how unprepared the newer generations are for the harsh realities of life.  Some members of this forum can be brutal, but if they're making a valid point you've just got to roll with it.  And Jesus, if anyone is getting upset IRL because of anything on a discussion forum, there's something seriously wrong with their temperament.

First of all, I'm sorry to hear about your experience, but as you mentioned, it's just how some people do things here. Being labeled as a newbie is just a rank, not a measure of knowledge. It might be because of inactivity or various reasons. To those considered newbies, don't feel discouraged. Remember why you joined and focus on what's best for you. Keep learning; being a newbie is temporary. With effort and growth, we can all evolve beyond that label. Let's stay positive and committed to our intentions for being here. Everyone has their journey, and continuous effort leads to progress.

Seeing the backstory gives me a clear idea of what OP means.
I've been seeing a lot of people, both old and new offer their services on the forum, I don't think he's the first. I read through the replies of the other post and I don't think they disrespected him the way he claims. All they were saying is they don't know him and he can't be trusted.
Of course that should make sense. This is an anonymous forum so before people do business with you they have to trust you one way or the other.
Even in the real world, nobody would work with you when he doesn't know about you, especially online work. That's why most people ask to see the portfolio of the person before hiring them. I think OP is just getting the wrong message.

I don't think the kind of post you make that's how the other high ranked members would treat you, some users here have this itchy behavior of looking down on others who just started in the Forum and they don't see those newbies as people who are here to learn and they (some high ranked members) don't think the newbies deserve a little bit of respect.
Is just their own way of being too hard on people and nothing can change their behavior towards newbies, they see the newbies as people who have nothing to offer to the Forum which is extremely bad.

Firstly no one ever said all newbies were scum. I believe every single member here was once a newbie who gradually grew to their respective ranks. The kind of post you make here  on this forum often determines how members would see you.
This forum is not a place where you would get some warm and nice treatment from all members. If you don't like the way you are addressed as a newbie, work on the kind of post and discussion you make or you make it your motivation to rank up.

Those moments are not suppose to be forgotten that easy and it made some of us to understand that without those criticism we won't have put more effort in all we have been doing, we won't have gotten to this very moment, it made us stronger.
Sometimes with all these harsh words it will make us act like we don't know what other uswrs are talking about in a thread, is like you have to be careful so that those high ranked members won't backlash you, like you have to be mindful of what you say because you wouldn't want to offend those who are above you in ranking, is just fear that's making most of it to happen to us.

That is what almost everyone here has also faced. One thing you should know is that a public or social gathering like this, thee are many people and different characters and behaviour from different destinations that has pulled up here. so you don't expect everyone to respond to you politely most people here are rude arogant and bragad so when you encounter them you will know the difference between positivity and negativity. The only advice I will give to you Is that you should learn to adapt to the forum and the types of people you meet.  Because some people mission on this place and yours might not be thesame. And if you follow them you might also fall to there trap and they will bring you down.

That's true, everyone has past through such criticism before and I know how you feel but it's the internet for God sake, I mean why take things personal just pick out the positive energy from the advice or criticism as the way you see and work with that believe me mate if you want to grow and learn here then you would better start thinking of positive energy because no one's see you doing or going astray without correcting you.

Getting a thick skin helps a lot but it takes time for some members to adapt and some high ranked members too don't have the knowledge some newbies have about Bitcoin but base on "I'm a Hero or Legendary" they won't let the newbies express themselves, not all high ranked members does that.
I won't blame newbies who don't do the reading and learning but post more reason is because they're desperate, talking about the newbies. They're trying to make a statement in the Forum and to be recognized that's why they post more (create threads) and sometimes they need to rank up so creating topics might give them the merit to rank up. The thing is everybody wants to be at the top.

I agree with what you hav said and even I have been through those embarassing situation where we were made made of, criticized while getting out doubts clarified.

But, it's all about shaping the user behaviour here and treating the newbie with same amount of respect which a Hero or Legendary member can get, because it the way how the message is put across and often it has been rude.

Many will say to continue in the forum you get to build a thick skin, whereas the most high ranked members are well intellectual with Bitcoin and it's technology so they expect much from you signing here in this forum. Get acquainted with the rules, know your do and don't, always keep ear to listen and ask very well constructive questions this will alone attract you to their trust list. As a newbie it is best to do more of reading and learning than so many posts or spamming.

OP you have to know that the "newbie" you talk about is just a rank and nothing more. Not letting what people say about you on the Forum get to you is the only way to get past it. If you have questions ask and you'd have your answer. Nobody is perfect in the Forum we are all here to learn and also pass on information to other members who knows nothing about it, what you're passing through every other person went through the same thing before getting to where they are now so don't feel intimidated but don't ask questions that you know the answers to, that's what makes some newbies look stupid.

I love your response to the OP and I hope he take note of the important advice in this post to help him grow in the forum, just like you stated, we're humans after all and it's in the nature of some humans to be full of criticism. However the OP shouldn't be discouraged by that but rather should pick out the sense they're try to make and disregard the words of discouragement they reply to him, just like my dad would always tell me, in every nonsense there's a sense, just key in to the sense and disregard the rest.
 Every member of the forum, from the Brand-new to the Legendary and down to the Moderators of different boards were once a newbie before they grew to the level they're currently, we're all here to learn and also give out our valuable opinions to help the forum grow, therefore do not be discouraged or frustrated by Critics when you try to give out your opinions, I'm sure there are members who give listening ears to the handful informations you give out and make good use of it.

Going through your post I can deduce that you are getting some misconception about the forum, of course every professional was once a newbie, every professor was also once a student, I understand that maybe you've been talked down upon by some members, but believe me that is not the models operandi of this great forum, as most members are here to always give you a guideline once you ask the appropriate question on this forum, so if anybody might have attacked your comment don't take it to heart as that is human nature naturally for you, rather you should take a lift from those that have answered the question give asked appropriately.

You have to your best as possible not to allow comments to make you feel bad,  this is an online platform you shouldn't expect everyone to have the same opinion just like you. People will always criticise you and do not let it be a problem to you, this is just how life is. Everyone will not be in support of everything you do, people will always bring their own opinion. For you to enjoy the forum learn how to accept criticism .

I think op should know that not everyone think the same way. There are people that are very aggressive and knows how to take to people in a way that they might not like at all. Newbies are not scum and I don't know who he is actually redirecting to looking at the nature of things in this community. Newbies need to be ready to learn and do things that will help them grow gradually not becoming too desperate to grow and join signature campaigns. This is what most newbies are after currently which supposed not to be so.

OP if you accuse people of something then you should show some evidence to back up what you have said. Throughout my stay on the forum i have not seen where they accuse any newbies as scums. All i have witnessed is that newbies are being humiliated with some strong words to motivate them to learn. Definitely newbies do make so many mistakes and sometimes don't know much about the forum which make them to violate some certain rules. So, i dint see it as something bad to scold a newbie whenever he does something wrong, because that is why he is a newbie. They no less and have to the taught even if it is the hard way.

You better provide some proof if you actually have been bullied, quote the posts that attacked you because of you are a newbie in this forum. As far as I know most people in this forum is friendly, especially to newbie. Some members might be straight forward or offensive but that's only happened when there are some heated argument, they won't just bully a newbie for no reason.

This one is strange. Maybe you really have experienced this to the extent that you had to make a post about it, but I haven’t seen such act on this forum and even if I know it likely exists, there should be a few people acting in such manner. I see newbies post about different things and get really good responses from more experienced people based on what they’ve learnt themselves. Everyone here was once a beginner, I don’t see why anyone wouldn’t want to be helpful with their opinion/thoughts.

I don't think that the members here depreciate the position of newbies because after all everyone starts from newbies here and grows to a certain rank. However, it is more about how we often provide suggestions and input to newbies based on the many experiences so far on this board. Lots of newbies always start on this forum with quite similar things, namely introducing themselves, asking for guidance, promising to develop, and so on. But the problem is, look, no matter how many other members provide input, support and important information regarding starting on this forum, most of the newbies just ignore them and leave their thread like that. and the result is just like that. like a newbie who has never been given any information at all, even though many members have tried to provide that information. but they are lazy about reading and developing, their focus is on making money quickly. This is what I've caught so far about how newbies get started here.

But I said a lot, not all newbies. Because there are also some newbies who are able to develop very well in this forum. Actually, newbies don't need to prove it on this forum, just go ahead by optimizing all the processes in stages, developing well, and also receiving all good input to continue to progress consistently.

Though I am not a newbie but the way people often responds to newbie is not in the same way they respond to senior members and I am not saying everyone does that but some of us does it and we cannot deny this fact. I feel it should be a two way thing as a first thing newbie needs to searc for their doubts and only if they are unable to find they should create topic or create it to get opinions instead of creating topics for something which has already been discussed in this forum multiple times because senior members get irritated when they see same question being repeated by different users, second thing is for seniors like us, we should either respond respectfully or make them understand by clearly explaining where they are going wrong instead of insulting or mocking them.

What you need to know is that everyone has been in your current position because everyone here started as a beginner. However, as a beginner, you must be aware that if, for example, someone advises or attacks you, you must accept it as material for your future evaluation, instead of responding with despair or anger and saying that seniors treat beginners as trash. Things like this are not true, it's just that you are too carried away by your feelings.

If there is a post that hurts you, you should introspect yourself, use this as medicine so that you continue to grow in this forum. After all, in this internet forum, everyone has their own views and is free to express their opinions. If you feel right, refute your version again, aren't we here to discuss. Don't get carried away easily, you'll get old quickly.

People should be quided, criticizing should be more constructive .if your
newbie stage was rosery doesn't mean the next person's  is.

Though it shouldn't be taken too personal and allow it to make you forgot the reason why you joined the forum
rather it should make you stronger and never given up.
Am saying this because I have also been victimized of this act.

I'm also new to the forum, and as a newbie, I can say that regardless of my bad feelings, I never take criticism lightly.
 I'm not discouraged. Rather, I want you to correct me if my information is wrong. And say it anyway.

Look, the five fingers of the hand are not equal, so it is foolish to expect that everyone will have the same opinion, isn't it?

Since we are new, we need to find out why he is criticizing me and what my lack of knowledge or understanding is for which I am being criticized.
Criticism is also a very good thing, you know. Suppose they don't point out my mistakes. How can I find my incompetence?
In the midst of their taunts, our faults and virtues will come out.

And does everyone discourage or taunt newcomers or buddies ? If you get one negative comment in a thread, you will get nine encouraging comments, boosting your morale with courage. Then 1 criticism, and with the remaining 9 encouragements, why not delay you?

I agree that those who say negative are outspoken; they don't criticize old and new. This is a misconception.

Criticism must therefore be faced rather than avoided because, as the saying goes, "if anything good comes from a stain, then the stain is good.".

I don’t think anyone belittles newbies just cause they’re newbies. And as we’re all anonymous on here, members mostly form an opinion of someone else from how and what they write. I know I do.
Perhaps the “belittling” you speak about has less to do with the newbie rank and more to do with what information is passed and how it’s passed. I know cause I was once a newbie and wasn’t belittled by anyone.

You do know no one owes you any respect nor to be nice in our interactions. While the majority of users recognize the value of and tend to be respectful in their interactions, there are some who say things as it is and wouldn’t mince words to make you feel better. It’s better to learn from any/all criticisms and learn not to take things personally.
Newbies aren’t scums. At some point in time, we all were newbies on here.

It's part of challenges we face as a Newbie, 70% of Newbies starts with at most 0.01% knowledge about crypto or this when they sign up so they easily get attacked because they know 0% of how things work here, among others  are those with little or more basic knowledge maybe higher but few in number  they easily find their way in the forum unlike the 70% .

If you are a newbie  and you fall under the first tier then get ready to receive alot of rejections in your post(I won't call it as attack), this rejection might bring positive or negative correction but all you have to do is adhere to the positive ones and ignore the negative ones with time you will get used to how it all works

Although I disagree with much of the conversation in this thread. I do have to agree, newcomers to the Bitcoin space seem to be attacked when asking simple questions more often than not.

Instead, they should be welcomed and supported to learn the basics. It benefits everyone ultimately.

Why are you being sarcastic  

What should I call this Euphemism???

I feel sorry for you and all the other newbie who have been treated this way, even I have seen the way people respond to anything which is posted by newbie, instead of responding to their questions they are mocked, embarassed, insulted and demotivated. I think senior members of this group should change their approach towards newbie and be sensitive and reasonable while responding.

Feedback for newbie: Please search for the topic or doubts before creating a new one.

OP I think you should be more concerned about your own growth on the forum a d getting more knowledge about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency like you did stated and give less attention to criticism rather learning from criticism will help you much more then trying to feel attacked or having a pity party card, but then bragging about your seven digits earnings outside the forum wasn't necessary as I'm sure you don't have a good idea of the caliber of persons you find here, if the forum is such that you are no longer comfortable with it will be fine you leave and stick to your seven digits paying job which like you stated you enjoy doing.

The forum is basically to help you gain more knowledge about cryptocurrency and Bitcoin generally and if you are keen on that I'm sure you will learn more than been criticized more, redirect your focus on learning a d you will do much better and grow as you should here on the forum.

You think critically with the response of the users here, maybe you just want to offer services and services with santay by speeding up the time?, if you form a branding and reputation on bitcointalk first, it will certainly get added value. Talking critically so that users reply with evidence and steps that should run naturally first, with you reflecting a lot of knowledge first, recognition by others will add value to you (feedback trust on your profile) if only a familiar response in the future usually doesn't matter your account is newbie by interacting with professionals. People who have a lot of knowledge will be very appropriate if they are able to share in the community even if they are new members. if there is no thread according to your field here, you can create your own, I agree with you that everyone has been in a beginner's position, let's mingle to increase your market share, integrity and professionalism.

You can write your portfolio with complete sources, there is no need to bring your social media accounts, but if you wish it is optional. If anyone wants to use your services, sometimes looking for the person you want, I can judge from what you said, because many managers, moderators on forums and outside forums are still productive without even a high rank to start. good luck for you sir.

Yep, that's definitely something the most honest person in the world would say.  


I agree, its pretty stupid to lie if you have nothing to gain, but people do stupid things all the time.

 
Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

everyone here started out as a newbie, no one started straight away as a senior member. everyone has a process in building their account on this forum, and in this process there are bound to be mistakes, criticism, suggestions, and other negative things that can sometimes make you feel discouraged and disappointed. but this is a forum, whether you like it or not, you have to accept the fact that everyone here has the right to voice whatever they feel to you, whether it's negative comments or other things you don't like. you can accept that and introspect yourself to become a better member.

you can't expect that people have to comment only constructive things about you, even when you are the president of this forum if you are a newbie then you are still a newbie, people can comment about anything about you, if you don't like you can stop interacting on this forum.

this is not a place where you can dictate to people how you want them to behave. even in real life, things like this are a natural thing where people don't look at your title or position, because they are free to express what they want to say and you can respond to it or ignore it. so stop whining and be wiser, to be honest, people here won't look at the title or how many books you've launched, but how big your reputation is and your contribution to this forum.

OP inasmuch as the forum is concerned, everyone started from somewhere like every higher rank on this forum started as a newbie no body jumped into Full member, Senior member, hero member and legendary every body started from scratch till they were accustomed to how everything works here so do not feel belittled or underrated after all you said you have a seven digit job so no one puts food on your table and I also want you to understand that some persons here even faced more challenges than you do but they kept pushing till they were able to achieve something here.

Just like you, not every one in this forum is interested in earning an income here and they have other jobs outside here that fetches them good amount of money but their motive of being here is to relate with others who are more knowledgeable about cryptocurrencies more especially Bitcoin. If you check some higher rank account here you will find out that they're not in any campaign but yet they are active in the forum so just be calm regardless of any negative thing a user here say to you and be more focused on the reason why you joined the forum.

Nobody is an expert in life but there are people that have gained the experiences that you're yet to gain on the forum and the industry so they're in the best position to teach you about the forum. As a newbie, be more observant and learn, don't get angry or work up when you get corrected. Nobody wants your downfall here, we all want the best for you guys because you're the generation that'll guide the next generation of newbies that'll be coming after you. If you don't learn properly you can't teach them properly as well so calm down and learn.

Newbies might be experts outside the forum but on the forum, you're who your rank says you are. For you to rank up, you most have spent some time on the forum and understand how things work over here and also gained other knowledge on Bitcoin. You're a newbie, you're just starting on th forum, get used to that and work on your account on the forum and you'll rank up. If you don't like been called a newbie, do something about that instead of demanding respect you're not qualified to be demanding. This is just a forum, you shouldn't be getting offended by what is happening here, this isn't your father's house that you can call the shots and if you don't like what is happens here you leave.

The forum is a place for learning so concentrate on learning instead of complaining about the way you feel you should be treated and not getting treated. Put more efforts in your contribution and you'll level up but for now you're still a newbie so don't think otherwise.

One of the most difficult things to endure in the forum is to accept your fate and status as a newbie and behave like one. This is the reason we often see newbies teaching established members how to be useful in the forum.
The second most difficult thing is to earn merit as a newbie. At anytime, one newbie may be facing one of the above. Maybe OP, is battling with one or both at same time. Please slow and take it easy. This is just an online forum and not a testimonial group.

If I would advise OP, he should just take this advice as it came. She is known for giving undiluted advice to newbies. One of the advice that shaped me during my newbie days

     I don’t think anyone here didn’t start as a newbie, no one should make you feel less of your self, at some point everyone started as newbie, time and dedication has put everyone in their space,  don’t let the talk get to you and keep working and progressing on your self, with that you will know you’re way around the forum. There are still good people here in the forum that is willing and ready to teach and Correct newbie who are asking for help. The forum is not fully a bad place, the forum is a large community and people are different with different personalities.  You might be unlucky to come across people who are just self centered.
    You have a right approach in joining the forum, there are lot of information to be passed here, we gain information here every day, the forum will help you build your knowledge about everything cryptocurrency and Bitcoin. Whenever you come across any hate speech on your post simply ignore them and focus on what brought you here. You will get to love and understand the forum with time once you realize how much you have to gain in the forum.

We still appear according to our abilities and making posts in any form must also be seen as a structure of compliance with truth values. Concerning some members who want to get points is another matter, but what you need to understand is that the points will be given when you make a post that has more important meaning and information. So that the discussion will run more lively and will gain meaning from the discussion being discussed. Therefore, identify your interests and what you can master so that when the discussion takes place it will be much more focused properly.

Professionals are not limited between beginners with much higher ranks because it is a way one can provide benefits to each other. This forum is discussion-based and we will discuss according to the discussions we comment on so that whoever can provide answers, other people will definitely give points.

Yeah. I'm afraid to imagine how you wrote. Using AI texts in the same way?
OP, you are too demanding. Reduce your vanity and pride, and accept criticism calmly. No one here is obliged to love you only for your “written” merits. Anyone on the Internet can pretend to be anyone; if you want to be Napoleon, be it, but understand that no one owes you anything.
And since you came to the forum, respect the rules. The use of AI is not encouraged on the forum.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63407350

No one will care about your academic grades. If you are someone with many achievements, you should keep your secret. You should act like ordinary people to get along easily with anyone anywhere.

If you continue to introduce yourself by showing off your achievements, people will not show respect for you. We gather in this forum to learn together and not brag about our achievements.

If you want to join other Bitcoin developers, you can show your curiosity by learning more about Bitcoin. You can interact with great people in this forum and ask what you must do to join.

Negative responses are always there everywhere. Both in the real world and in the virtual world. And one thing you can do is ignore those who say negative things to you if it bothers you. And try to see the positive responses from members on this forum. I hope you can see it from two different angles. Because I think there are still a lot of good people in this forum with whom you can have very good discussions too. And because this is a bitcoin and crypto discussion forum. So actually many of the users here don't really care about our background in the real world. They are only interested in what we can present here on this forum. It could be about our research on crypto projects or we have insights related to crypto and finance that we can share here and will be useful for those who read it. Well all that would be much more appreciated.
I think you have to strengthen your mentality. If you are not ready to accept criticism or suggestions then it would be better to take a break. And come back again when your mind is calm.

And when you decide to come back, make something that you can present here in written form or whatever that can be useful reading material for forum members to read here. Or if you have questions related to crypto then you can come here and ask here. Because of course you come here definitely have a purpose. Is it to learn about crypto and bitcoin? or is it to discuss crypto and Bitcoin? or do you want to share your insights regarding crypto and bitcoin? And to do that you don't need to tell people about your real identity. Because if you prove your good identity through your writing then I am sure you will get appreciation and respect from everyone here.

Because many forum members here immediately receive respect for the real contributions they sincerely present to this forum.

So just calm down and try to be more relaxed

 I understand his struggle, we all faced it at a point when we were new in the forum, those attitude from some members dont help people settle well here, is about the personalities of some high rank member. The way some new people enter the forum and spam it is understandable to me sometimes. They are fewer now than in previous years but they are more in some thread, I would not really advise you to avoid them because of the resourcefulness of the threads and users, but please keep in mind that you are there to read and learn, not spam.

If you don't take everything too personally on this forum, you will do better than complaining. On the internet, people are free to say whatever they want based on their opinion. People are free to drop anything they count as opinion without minding if it hurts you or anyone, and it's left for you to take it personally or even allow it to get to you, for which no one cares.

If you don't want to get burned, just teach yourself to deal with criticism, develop thick skin, and go along with the flow. But the best thing you can do for yourself is to be very observant of how things are done here. If you are very observant, you will learn fast, you will take corrections easily, and you will not make some careless mistakes that so many newbies do.

Learn to use the forum search button to check if you have a topic you are looking for; it will prevent you from creating exactly the same topic that has been discussed. If you create a thread, make sure you go over all the comments one after another and learn from them. Just don't take things so personally here; if a user keeps attacking you, you can use the ignore button, and you will not see their post.

Is it possible for you to just mention newbie and people will start attacking you just like that? I don’t really think so, before you will be attacked, then you must have done something wrong, everyone started the forum as a newbie, but with time, we decided to grow our account, so I don’t think anyone hates newbies, as long as they are not doing anything wrong.

If you are giving up just because of the response you got from people, then you are wrong. Everyone has their opinion, and you can’t stop anyone from saying what they have in mind. I just checked your profile, and I noticed that you created three posts the same day you created your account. If your post doesn’t go well, then you will be criticised. If you can’t withstand criticism, then the forum is not for you. As a newbie, criticism should serve as a correction for you.

You claimed you took a break from the forum, but taking a break doesn’t affect the forum in any way, no one even knew you took a break from the forum. If you think taking a break will be the solution, then you are wrong, no one is going to lose more than you.

Don't expect the best from everyone in here -- I could actually get on your nerves with my response to your post...but that's only my opinion and everyone can't give off the same approach.. Try not to get too concerned/attacked; for the fact that people have different perspective of understanding your points doesn't make you wrong -- it should create an impression that everyone can't just accept your opinion for whatever reason...

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what you're facing also happened to me... Someone even quoted my introductory post and told me that he's fed up of getting too many junk post like mine... What's the difference now??... CREATE THE DIFFERENCE AND STOP COMPLAINING!!

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I think that the whole fiasco about newbies being discriminated are the ones focused on beginner accounts who spam meaningless comments with various threads.

I have encountered tons of newbies who were willing to learn and most of our distinguished forum users shared their insights and support to them. At the end of the day, it is not about your rank in the forum- it is about your attitude and willingness to learn from others and on this forum.

Obviously, if you are a newbie who's sole purpose is to earn cryptocurrency, then do it on the right process. Stop rushing and asking questions that have been answered a thousands of times already. Utilize the search bar and start from there.

Lastly, please do not interpret that everyone is "attacking" you just because they gave their objective criticisms. Part of learning is knowing where your mistake lies- this forum has users who are willing to teach others but you must have the attitude to accept and learn also.

Everyone starts from newbies. everyone here is the same. What is different is the newbies who progress and process continuously and consistently who can make changes to the newbies label. and you are right if learning is a process. and the process will show the progress of what has been learned and experienced so far. If you ignore it and close your eyes, the result will be the same. Change requires a process, not just a sudden success. No need to listen to what makes you fall, just take advantage of every opportunity to develop in this forum. Because here there are lots of good people who want to share with each other.

Can you provide links to the discussions in which you were accused of still being a Newbie? It is very important to determine who did this and on what basis because not everything you are told here is true, whether it is encouragement or frustration. There are newbie accounts whose purpose is to spread lies, beg for money, or request loans without guarantees. How do you expect them to be treated?

If you have this huge balance from your job, and you are here on the forum for the pure purpose of learning, what would prompt anyone to accuse you of anything? Unless you are getting yourself into useless discussions. Learning assumes that you are following discussions about the Bitcoin ecosystem, which is why I find it strange that you complain about such things.

I had to quote the whole wall of text because you made alot of sense. I know that frustration that newbies have when attacked by established members. Every newbie had their own taste of the cake. It is a bitter cake that every genuine newbie doesn't know how to escape. Any newbie who probably do not complain about the harshness of the forum, could be an alt account.

I wonder why you should quit the forum because of the behaviour of people you don't know in person. Do not allow random people hiding behind the screen to ruin your stay in this wonderful forum.


In the online environment, it is correct to treat everyone as scammers unless they prove otherwise. What is not right is calling the person a scammer when it is not proven.

I have read where you declared your sincerity. Just be true to yourself and develop a think skin.

You've just spoken up and feel like you've let go of the anger that has been building up inside of you for quite some time. However, instead of receiving a big cuddle for speaking up, you will face criticism from other users here. This is a public forum, and no one controls how people interact here. When someone responds to you with a rude I'm a hersg manner, simply accept the correction and move on; remembering that you're not supposed to be spoken to in that manner will only make you angry, so accept the correction that will help you improve your knowledge or experience in the forum.

Everyone was once a newbie, and many people have received criticism, but this hasn't stopped them from progressing in the forum. If you're here to learn, you won't mind the criticism; if you're here for another reason, the criticism will only make you hate the forum even more, and you won't learn anything. The time you spent cooling off as a result of the criticism you received could have been used to improve yourself in the forum during the entire time you were offline.

Intelligence is not measured in how we speak or write....

Let me brag again, I graduated as the best in my Masters Degree Class with a Distinction... I wrote the best Thesis graded 84% and since being published as a Book sold all over the globe... I authored 3 Books sold all over the globe with yearly royalties....

Let me also brag that in January, I will be travelling to the United Kingdom again for my PhD on a well deserved Scholarship....

I will also want to challenge you to an English test to know your worth.....

The British who are the acclaimed originator of English Language makes lots of blunders while speaking English (if your listen outside there accents) and they also learn English in their Schools....

I don't know if the word fool is permitted here because some people are just acting like fools on this forum just to get points and for the sake of posting......

I am not bragging.... You can drop your email and I will send you my CV and Credentials for free ....

I would have loved to quote and reply to all your points one after the other, but I'm using mobile, so I might mess up the whole thing before rounding it up, but never the less, here is what I have to say.
 
I understand how you feel, and a lot of newbies have also raised this concern, and everyone was a newbie before they got the reputation that they are right now. Even before the merit system was introduced, the ranking system has always been there, so I don't think anyone jumped the newbie part.
 
In terms of being a newbie, you can be a newbie here in this forum, but that does not make you a newbie in real life. You can have all the knowledge you want and be very smart. One thing that I have learned from this forum is that you just have to live life the way you want, provided that you are not scamming anyone. Whatever anyone has to say to you, if it will add value to your growth, you accept it, but if it won't, you just ignore it; they won't do you anything.
 
You can't control what people will think about you, but you can prove them wrong by doing better. Most people just think a lot of newbies are plagarists, and as such, they criticise every bit of their mistake. If you happen to find yourself in such situations and you are confident about yourself, don't give such hate a space to dominate you; instead, use that as a motivation to prove their instincts wrong and see them as part of those who will use you as an example in the future.

If I may describe myself, I will say I am the most honest man on Earth.... I can't lie about anything when I have nothing to gain.....

The simple truth is that I made the initial post before my promotion in my work place.... I can't expose where I work or what I do.... My Promotion came with lots of goodies and my Salary is now above $300 and money I get monthly from my new position which amounts to 7 digits...... I am not someone that brags.....

I think at this point, I will just exit this forum for my sanity sake.... I have lived over 4 decades and I have never seen a forum where people's views are not treated with respect.

this is very necessary and I don't see any reason why an old member can't advice a supposed newbie in a matured and responsible manner.

One of the major concern I also have as it relates to matters as this is that their are people that have prior experience as it regard bitcoin and cryptocurrency but might not have been an active member of the forum, and then they now join the forum and make a post that is matured and shows how experience the person is, you will see numerous attack on the individual as though one cannot do his research and get lots of information that although his account might be showing newbie or jnr member, he could be more experience than some legendary.

The journey in the forum is one that takes time and no one should be discouraged just because he is joining the forum as a new person. If they spam or make a faulty appearance in the forum, let's first direct and guide them responsibly and when they seem not to be taking the advice seriously, they could then be shunned it reported in reputation board.

let love lead

If you continue to pay attention to negative comments that do not align with your personal ideologies, you will get so pissed off and even leave the forum again without gaining anything, while those supposed attackers are still in the forum making waves. So who lost, obviously you!

In every message here, there is a bit of sense in it no matter the tone of the message, pick only the right information you need and forget about the manner with which the message was passed. Sometimes newbies can ask unnecessary questions instead of using the search button,  not everyone here will be patient enough to explain one thing over and over again.  Focus more on learning and forget about anyone's opinion,  at the end we all will be fine.

No one is belittling newbies here, except for those who feel they are superior person than others.  I have been here in the forum for almost a decade now and I see members here being patient in guiding newbies.  I even see members doing the research just to answer the questions of newcomers. 

The only time members of these forums react negatively to the newcomer's posts is when the newbies try to teach people things they know little about, and bragging about their achievements without laying out proof to support their claims.


Respect is given to those who deserve it, IMO.  Btw, there is also constructive criticism, so it depends on the receiving end on how they accept this.

looking through the threads he created, there are some posts coming from forum members that are not "welcoming" or feel like a "rude" response to the post he made(which I don't think it is). that's probably why he felt like he was being attacked by forum members.

that's an interesting find, I wonder what the OP has to say about this.

 We all started from the very bottom (newbie) and if all of us have complained that the treatment gotten here was harsh and unfriendly, I don't think there'd be anyone for you to meet here. Always understand that as a public space, there's bound to be different people who treat things differently. Yes, no one enjoys being criticized for just asking a "simple" question but sometimes, there's tongue lash on the newbie especially if he/she asks very obvious questions and though they ask for guidance on how to operate, seldom make use of those helps.
 One thing is sure here, the way Mr A will talk is not the same way Mr B will and as such there's the tendency to pick offence at the way the talk was delivered so the best thing is grow a thick skin and try to look past those words. There are constructive criticism that comes in a harsh way; since your aim is to learn about Bitcoin from the forum, the best thing is to pick what you need from those criticisma and ignore the rest.
 You mentioned working and I'm sure probably your boss or superiors may say things that aren't comfortable with you, but you didn't quit, did you? So treat here the same. You can also leave too of you feel the noobs are being treated like scum.

Most Welcome to best learning place.


We are comes here as a newbie and learned lot here. It is free place and anyone can share their ideas. Everyone have different mind and you shouldn't care about much of these replies and just ignore it. You should look for valuable advice and learn from old members experience.


Veey good thinking, you should continue your learning business and I hope when you leaned well your investment will be with right strategy which is always recommended for new users.

You should continue learning and ask without hesitation about anything what you don't know or have something doubt in it to full clear your mind. No one is perfect in life and we will learn from mother's lap to grave

Nobody attacked you for being a newbie, you started this topic and bragged about yourself:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63398158

So, which one of the 3 are true and which are false? My bet is on the third being the only right one!
And now you have the answer to why some newbies are not getting such a warm welcome!

Don't take it personally buddy!

From the beginning of the forum, it was proven that newbies are very risky to deal with. Due to the starting rank (newbie), they don't care about their account reputation. They take this advantage and try to scam without thinking twice if they have any intention of scamming. This has been happening from the beginning. This is the reason people are always afraid to make deals with newbies without escrow and also suggest others to not do so.



You can add it to your service thread if you want. Instead of a real identity, you can show also some of your portfolio. This can also bring some trust.

Just don't show face, identity because of proving you are an actual newbie, is a very good advice.

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To OP,

Your privacy matters more than what people think who you are.

You can prove it indirectly with time and with your actual contributions in this community. Time files so fast and if you can make good contributions, the community will recognize it and you will be an asset of this forum.

Everyone her ein this community had been a newbie before and we never died or feel bias when we are advised or corrected.
Everyone that is a newbie here is not like they are babies that do not know much but since there is ranks here, everyone need to maintain their lane.

 We have seen so many newbies who come here to Scam and ask for some unreasonable aid which is not supposed to be so.
I could see many things how newbies or join members were attacked because of their mistakes or how they tend to behave like they know more than people that had been here since. This should not be an argument but a soft reckon.

Showing your real identity here is futile, and something you probably don’t really want to do if you distance yourself from the heat of the moment. Growing a thicker skin will go a long way though …

As far as I can tell, going over your posts, there’s nothing wrong with trying to offer your services as a project manager like you did, though the likeliness of that striking a deal here is slim to none if there is no specific crypto project background already in the bag, which is the core focus here as one can expect.

On the other hand, pondering and explicating the option to (eventually try to) live off the forum, as opposed to keeping a regular job, is something that some people might do, though as others already rightly responded at the time, not the best of ideas for multiple reasons already cited in the corresponding thread.

In general terms, Newbie accounts are not going to be suspected to be scammers per se. Any account could potentially be one, and having a given Rank may "help the cause" (so as to say) because Rank may cause an impression at times. One should really be wary of any and all Ranks (faceless is shameless after all), and it’s over time that, perhaps, one may be more lenient to develop a certain trust is some accounts, trust that should not be blindly taken for granted.

Calling me a Scammer or suspecting that I am a scammer because I am a newbie here is a very big accusation that is hard for me to take..... Please is it possible for me to show my real name and identity to you here? If it's not against the rules then I can drop my LinkedIn, Facebook and other Social media link here so you can know that I am not a Scam but someone you should respect on a norm.

This platform is kind of becoming toxic to me.... I guess I will take my leave... Must people behave disrespectful to earn points???

If I refuse, then why? the administrator didn't even delete or censor someone post if it contains full of harassment.

This is the post where you got many criticism, why not defend yourself in that thread instead of creating a new thread? if you not talk anything in that post, it means you agree with users who pointing out "you might be a scammer".

If you are not able to handle negativity in an anonymous environment then you should quit. Even in a nonanonymous environment, you are constantly bombarded by negative replies which we know as trolling.


We do not judge anyone based on his or her reason for being active in the forum, we judge based on what is being written by that user. Do not be so sarcastic that it is evident that you are sarcastic. Your post on the Economic board: Bitcointalk as a means of Job & Wealth Creation for Youths in Nigeria, the forum does not encourage such kind of post.


As per my stay in this forum, degrading or blaming anyone without any reason, would only result in negative trust or ban from the forum. What you have assumed is not true and it will never be in the future. Being kind and gentle is what I have seen personally being promoted in the forum, stupidity and aggressiveness always get countered by DT members.



Such, a degrading statement will not lead you anywhere and will hamper your existence in the forum. Try to rethink what you said and work on the feedback that you get from members like us. It will only help in growing up the ranks if you want to create a passive income source here.

All of us here in this community once was a beginner (Newbie) before so we know the feeling that we are alone. And also once a newbie and totally not have more knowledge about cryptocurrency and Bitcoin is quite hard to adjust cause you need to study first before you can understand what is Bitcoin and what are the importance on it. Anyways it's up to the newbie if he/she want to be successful or let say want To be a good Member her run this forum . Then he needs focus on reading .

I don't understand your issue with forum members regarding treatment. Could you provide a quote that makes you feel attacked? Since the forum space is about the freedom to express personal opinions, if you can only read negative contributions, then there are useful contributions for you to be more fair. I don't think it's important to differentiate between newbie/oldbie members because we are all members of the forum. Maybe opposing views bring frustration, but remember everything is just an online environment. Honestly, since I joined the forum, learning from my predecessors makes me very grateful to them, but I also don't feel the need to get angry at the comments. Please ask first if you are doing something wrong, and learning strongly even from criticism can partly help you build patience.

I started on this forum as a beginner and I think everyone else is too. Everyone started from scratch and everyone also understands the feeling of a beginner. But in this forum there are many users who have different characteristics from each other. So it is not surprising that there are users who provide criticism and suggestions in various ways of delivery. There are those who are gentle and wise, and there are those who are firm and straight to the point. But believe me everything is a learning process too. Even a legendary person is still learning at their own pace. One thing we must always be aware of in this forum or in the real world. That is, don't expect other people to always behave towards us according to what we want. But make them respect us by showing that we are people who can be useful to other people. Spend more time studying and reading rather than complaining and prove that you can also be better than other people.

Sometimes what tastes bitter is not always poison. But sometimes what tastes bitter is medicine. So just relax and you should enjoy your process here more. Because in my experience in the world people are crueler. They act nice in front of us but start talking bad behind our backs. But here I think people are more honest about their feelings. But I also don't deny that there are some types of people that I don't like here. But I try to understand from their point of view. And finally I can understand that they are just like us. Having rude writing doesn't mean they are a rude person.

I understand your frustration, buddy. It's quite normal to face certain challenges of adaptation in a new place, and as time goes on, you will find out that you're not being bullied but corrected in a kind of hasty manner. I admit, it's usual here.

One thing a female senior colleague advised me here that I will never get is "learn to grow thicker skin" to survive here or anywhere else. You might be feeling sad now that ranked-up members are speaking in a manner that seems unpleasant to you, but soon you will also be part of people correcting newbies in that same manner. So don't be too hasten to judge their actions rather remain silent and learn.

I am a newbie (Beginner) on this forum...

Surprisingly , anytime I mention newbie, I get attacked like Newbies are scums and shouldn't be here in the first place....

I got frustrated at first from the kind of responses on my post and I took a break from the site, after all I am not unemployed.... I have a seven digit paying Job I love so much...

The reason I am on this forum is passive, though I want to learn more about Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency.

Consequently, along the line I understood that commenting and attacking people's posts on this platform is part of the reason some people grow faster here.

I gradually understood that the dynamics of this forum is that it's compulsory for members to post something daily and what you post do not have to consider what/how others feel about what is said to them.... Some Members just want to have points and remain active on the forum...

I wonder if the Professionals here weren't once newbies...

Nobody is an expert in life and on this forum.... The last time I asked, I was told that an a professional or an expert is someone who has learned less and less about more and more until he has known everything about nothing....

We are all here to learn and maybe earn along the way...

Stop the belittling of Newbies on this forum.

Make your points on people's posts constructively and with respect.