Topic: Newtown Shooting - How it will unfold (Read 4726 times)

We know that they would (or at least, could) be arrested and put to death for nothing more than having over a specified amount of metal in a specific shape.

Yes, have you heard of the free cities project? It is a libertarian experiment. It proposes establishing a charter city in a chaotic country such as Honduras. One possibility under discussion was the contracting of the Singaporean State as sole provider law and enforcement services. The idea is that a bunch of investors hire the Singaporean military to police the place and try to attract settlers. The investors expect the land to appreciate and thus earn money off the deal.

The whole notion seems confused to me. Hire a semi-fascist state to implement law and order for a 'libertarian state.' Would that be a triumph of libertarianism or a triumph of statism?

Great!  We all love summary executions I take it?  Lets just pile the bodies on the sidewalk.  I feel better already seeing a pile of corpses on the ground to know I'm safe and the police are effective.  Nothing like some bodies swinging from a tree to give me that nice secure feeling my children are growing up safe in a happy world.   

Yeah, and "posession" is totally a valid reason to kill people who have done nothing to harm others.  Provided of course you are batshit insane from a fucked up childhood.     

Him, him, him, her, and those kids.  I saw them all with guns or toy guns, so, kill them at will if you like.  Do you also recruit and train other psychos from around the world to conduct these righteous and pious hangings and summary executions?  Or is it only from the most mentally ill portion of your own population, as is more common in the western world for such institutions?     

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuLgO4wo4xI&feature=autoshare

Yeah, I'm sure the average criminal is quite internationally mobile. The typical US ghetto dweller is a world traveler. Regardless, encouraging criminals to 'carry on elsewhere' is one of the intentions of the law.

Exactly what fool would try to profit from crime (using guns) in Singapore? The place is a dot in the ocean. The criminals aren't "suppressed" by these ridiculous laws, they just carry on elsewhere.

No answer? Is that because you don't know anything but what you've been fed by your conspiracy loving "sources"?

Melting point of steel: explain the significance (and your understanding).

Jet fuel quantity: explain why you think the quantity of jet fuel does not matter.

Maybe I have. I suspect you're the one who is lacking information. Again, tell me how the melting point of steel is relevant? Oh, and tell me why the quantity of jet fuel is not relevant as well.

So we were talking about the melting point of steel (or rather, subSTRATA was). But I'm not sure why. So please tell me why we were discussing the melting point of steel. Is it somehow relevant to making a case about a WTC conspiracy?

Just FYI, subSTARDED, FirstAsshat and ElectricVomit are all in my ignore list, and this thread is about conspiracy theories now -- so this thread is amusing as hell, more amusing than an FBI release about aliens with three quarters of the text censored out.

Why are we talking about melting? Did I mention melting? Really, don't blindside yourself because you want to believe in government conspiracies. And yes, the quantity of jet fuel does matter.

And here we go into full on nutjob territory.....

So tell me, was it the aliens or the Jews that orchestrated 9/11? I'm just wondering which brand of crazy I'm dealing with.

Are we to include WTC 7 in our count, or no? Just curious.

I'm amazed subSTRATA, the idiocy and/or ignorance demonstrated by a few of the specimens here is truly astounding.  This is obviously not the place to discuss rational perceptions or even entertain the use of common sense for that matter.  

Do you know how many other high rise buildings have been hit by jet airliners loaded with 100,000 to 200,000 pounds of jet fuel with ten to twenty floors above the impact point which are still standing?

Ahh good ol' WTC always a good way to make use of such an obvious trolling opportunity. 

I've been ignored by you? Does that mean that I hit the nail on the head with regard to my guesses? Anyway, I don't really mind if you ignore me.

You forgot "- Ignore lists are a great place for jerk-offs."

Welcome to all new inductees!

Let me guess. You also subscribe to the following theories:

- We sheep don't know the truth about Aurora
- Man didn't land on the Moon
- Aliens are at Area 51
- Controlled demolition dropped the World Trade Center towers

I think it's fair to say that almost nothing happens exactly the way they tell it on TV. That doesn't mean they're covering up a conspiracy, they're just shitty reporters, most times.

There are so many inconsistencies in this fiasco that are well documented now and being discussed, especially considering the "official story" is changing every hour, that you simply look foolish proclaiming that you know the truth that a 20 year old autistic kid pulled all this off on his own.

I'm not claiming to know what happened, only claiming that it did not happen the way the TV is telling you.  Not even close.

If you feel better believing what our cultural and behavioral master the TV tells you though, that makes it so much simpler than actually having to think critically or be open-minded.   

Un-fucking-believable. 

Truth.

Isn't it more comforting to think that a group you already know to be a) evil and b) capable of pulling off false flag events would fake a shooting so as to steal your guns, than to countenance the thought that a seemingly normal human being snapped and murdered more than a dozen 5- and 6-year-old kids?

Sometimes it's nicer underneath the tinfoil than out in the cold, harsh light of reality.

Yup. The aliens did it, it was a false flag operation by the illuminati to appease the reptilian overlords. But now that you've figured it out, they are going to send black helicopters to wipe your mind since you alone have uncovered the great conspiracy. Better get that tin foil hat on and make your escape!!!!

*sigh*

I'm getting déjà vu of the Aurora shooting thread.

As opposed to the MSM programming and force-feeding the multitudes of useful idiots a story that makes no sense whatsoever bullshit?   

Sorry to try to interject actual facts and evidence inconsistent with said bullshit into some people's fantasy world. 

Goddamnit.

Not three pages in, and already the fucking conspiracy theory bullshit starts. Fuck I hate this forum sometimes.

 Two "shooters" reported running in front of school and fleeing in rental vehicles with Jersey plates - EHS recording

http://www.chron.com/newtownshooting/item/First-responders-at-Newtown-shooting-13549.php

Multiple shooters reported by multiple witnesses, all dead killed with multiple rifle rounds/wounds says medical examiner, Lanza found dead inside school with two handguns and no rifle, rifle later found in back seat of his car...

I'm sure those who feel most comfortable in believing that an autistic 20 year old pulled this off alone will most likely engineer suitable explanations of the above that gel favorably with their particular perceptions of their realities.

For the rest of us we'll probably never know the truth.

Oh and how about Obama's fake crying on TV, going for an Oscar to put beside his "peace prize" as he reinforces the emotional programming for gun control...  The whole thing is disgusting.

 

I'm just going to throw this one out here I guess..   


http://www.wellaware1.com/fairfield.htm

You can't even use the word "delusion" correctly. You sound like another pseudo intellectual like dank.

I have a suggestion for you = get out of the society for a while, like forever. Right now, nothing seems to be clear to you.

"The victim is to blame" is what evil people (rapists, murderers, supporters of murderous democide, supporters of organized thieves) tell themselves, so they don't feel like the shitheads they really are.

Instead of trying to persuade evil people -- like your interlocutor -- to realize that they are evil, I actually prefer to spend my time analyzing what sorts of mental / physical / sexual abuse lead people to become evil in that way.

Think about it: a person must be have been subject to a years-long, very prolonged and intense campaign of abuse-originated stress, to conclude that innocent children who got bombed "got what they deserve".  How many times was he beaten / yelled / punished / suppressed, and then told that his victimization was "his own damn fault"?  Probably quite a few times, enough so that his frontal neocortex was utterly ruined, now malfunctioning in this spectacularly catastrophic way.

Really, you're witnessing an extraordinary case of Stockholm Syndrome, dialed all the way up to 11.  Not unlike a squashed bug, his dysfunctional brain is hobbling him through his life, and you get to study this psychotic malfunction up close, even interact with it.  You get to learn exactly what mechanisms he uses to deny and distort reality, what things he says (ostensibly to you, but really to himself) in order to actively suppress his own conscious mental processing of facts.

Take the example of him telling you that "firebombed children deserved it, and you can't say otherwise, because there's no way you could possibly know everything".  Think about it: if you stabbed him in the eye, and you then told him "it's your fault" and "don't argue with me because you don't know everything", he will likely yell that you're crazy...  but he has no problem with himself making this very same irrational "argument" to excuse / apologize / minimize much, much worse evils.  What do we call this behavior of his?  Is this a symptom of a spectacular case of localized schizophrenia?

Of course, the problem is that lots and lots of people actually do behave in exactly this mentally disturbed way (didn't, like, 20% of people just vote to re-empower the murderer who orders firebombing of children?).  That's why this is a social problem that warrants study.  As long as millions and millions of potentially dangerous (but rather cowardly) brain-damaged political schizophrenics chip in with their implicit or explicit support for empowering mass murderers, this will continue to be a problem of enormous social significance.

Of course, I can't have pity for an anti-social monster who says that bombed children "got what they deserve", but I can try to understand the source of that monstrosity.  Explaining is not condoning.

Blaming the victim no more works for a drone strike on an innocent child than it does for rape.

Your superstitions aren't very convincing, because observable reality kind of smashes them.

I am now convinced that you can't actually think very well -- preferring to believe false stuff that comforts you -- so I won't be interacting with you anymore.  Welcome to my ignore list.  I hope you enjoy your stay.

Wow.  I don't know how you could possibly interpret the video in that way.  But I'm pretty sure that's not correct.

Well, the US parents have a little bit more culpability, but it sure as hell isn't the poor Pakistani woman's fault that her babies got blown up while collecting dung on the side of the road.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7EZCK-QtBY

Or else. I've read that book.

Huffpo reports he had psychiatric problems.

"The brother, Ryan Lanza, 24, told authorities that Adam Lanza, 20, is autistic or has a "personality disorder," ABC News reported."

His psychiatrist will soon report what medication he was on.  The autopsy should report chemical analysis of his blood.

Suggesting that people be hung or shot for firearm possession is precisely why I have you on my ignore list, go away.

We universally approve everything done by the government. After all they have all the guns. And they cane and execute people at the drop of a hat.
Works out pretty well for us.


Do you use capital punishment for firearm possession? Perhaps your laws are not strict enough.

I bet you have lots of fun if you ever try to protest against a war or something else horrible the government have put forward without anyone's consent.


I'm not ignoring the 20 children dead, the fact is though that both sides are cunts because they fail to ignore the facts, I can't really empathize with gun control people though because even if they got what they wanted and I mean everything, as in a full on ban, you still get people being killed and gunned down because the police will never be able to respond quickly enough and you'd still need a phone to contact them. The chance of survival is a lot higher if the self-defence laws are on your side and you don't have to worry about being put in jail if you decide to stop them, believe me, I live in the UK and I hear stories constantly about people being murdered, more than I'd like because the media are murder happy these days, gun control will not and never make a difference.

At least gun nuts are fairly realistic in there views on crime, we have some of the tightest gun control laws here in the UK and we still get shooters from time to time who lose it and kill people, the gun control people can't say we need to tighten the laws any further because they have been tightened so badly that no one who just wants to defend themselves can own a gun. What amazes me though is that we're still allowed to own the components for explosives and chemical weapons so maybe I should go ahead and keep studying about that so I can defend myself against a crazy person with a bottle of alcohol and a lighter but I still wouldn't fancy my chances even if eh only had a pistol.

Soldiers and active duty policeman cane and execute. Civilians get caned and executed. That is called law and order.

Does this include soldiers and active duty policemen?

I think what you mean is that unenforceable laws do not prevent crime. You cannot allow firearms within a country and not expect child murder as the necessary result.

Here in Singapore discharge or attempt to discharge a firearm is punishable by hanging. Possession of 3 or more firearms is also punishable by hanging. Toy guns are illegal. Air guns are illegal. Paintball guns are illegal. Pepper spray is illegal. Stun guns are illegal. Handcuffs are illegal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Singapore#Arms_Offences_Act

Results: Next to no gun crime. Almost no murder. Almost no violent crime.

If you want to stop violent crime, just summarily execute anyone found in possession of arms. This approach has proven effectiveness.

I have never personally been "helped" by a psychiatrist, but only one out of six people I know who have has ended up ok. And that was only after they made a big deal about how the "doctor" was fucking up their life.

I've been watching CNN for a little bit now.

This British asshole came on and started arguing about gun laws.

He kept bringing up the .223 bushmaster (which was found in the shooters CAR) and bashing how we should be allowed to own those weapons.  Basically he rarely let the other guy talk abusing the terms of his own debate.

People like this sicken me. 

tl;dr people are too concerns on over exaggerating gun control and aren't paying attention to the 20 children which are dead.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Shit, Facebook took down the page. I should have gotten a screencap first.

To my knowledge no one knows much about the shooter looks like yet, I took the liberty of doing some quick web searches but found the wrong Adam Lanza at first. I believe it may be this one instead:
https://www.facebook.com/dave.lan.31?fref=ts

His website is listed as www.DollarScholar.com. But it doesn't look like it is actually his, and it's having all sorts of Internal Server errors...

so I did some wayback machine stuff:
http://liveweb.archive.org/http://dollarscholar.com/?page_id=955

Looks like a pump & dumper that is now running a website:
http://www.youtube.com/user/colebartiromo

Might have influenced this kid? Caused him to lose money on something? Who knows.

I'm pretty sure that whatever happens it'll be another mentally-unstable person.

Problem is a motivated person can commit acts of horror no matter what.  You can try and take all the liberties away in the name of safety and in the end you will have neither.   

Also these people are not doing this to terrorize, because they always kill themselves.  They are doing it because they are imbalanced in someway and are so desperate that delusion-ally they think this is the only answer.   This is a symptom of a much larger problem that is coming to the surface and can no longer be ignored. 

We have mass disenfranchisement and people are feeling hopeless and have nothing to lose.   Our current system is eating itself of the inside out.

There goes my chance of getting a semi-auto Mossberg shotgun after the new year, with the panic buying that's about to start...

If we started doing that, we'd have to Gitmo almost all of our government and media establishments.

Again?

It seems there's a new version of mass shooting every year in the US. I know you want your guns and all, ok fine. But don't you think that instead of looking for terrorists outside your country, you should look for the terrorists inside your own country first?

Rage, rage at an oppressive system that wants to shoe-horn them into little boxes, make them into good little worker bees.

It is sad, the worst part is these people likely had nothing to do with the problems they're suffering from, that said I can't help but think two or more thoughts on this kind of thing really, I tend to not look at things on the surface.

This makes me sad and upset.    This is like the 4th shooting in two weeks.  Why do people turn to indiscriminate violence?

Here we go! Found it pretty fast because it's all officially released which is nice.

http://www.vosizneias.com/83791/2011/05/16/new-york-ny-8-4-minutes-average-police-response-time/

http://www.westmercia.police.uk/freedom-of-information/disclosure-log/operational-policing/2011-operation-policing-disclosures/foi-2988-police-999-call-response-times.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/crime_on_the_climb_3pCi8VDcPJIH42QyL3AstJ

http://apbweb.com/featured-articles/1188-response-times-city-to-city.html


This was all taken from the first page of Google as well.

Ahh.  Big Pharma and Big Med direct the hive-mind to demand more subsidy and "regulation" of health care.  (Regulation which always wipes out competition and increases monopoly and prices).  Odd how celebrities all project the same message at the same time huh?

Add the renewed campaign to disarm the slaves and we have the perfect Presidential Inauguration meme.

Bernays would be proud.

It's sad that a sound bite like that is pretty factual, I think in the UK at least they list the police response time and I've never seen anything under five minutes, you can end up dead below two minutes, perhaps even faster depending on how skilled or equipped the attacker is, I'll dig up articles for you all.

When seconds count, the police are just minutes away!

What a fucking tragedy.

I need to go hug my kids.

The questions are:

What was response time of the police units?
Why the children couldn't run away?
Looks like an assault rifle (.223 calliber, um AR-15?) was used.

100 shots with semi auto and what like 4-5 clips? Probably took good 10 minutes.

Police response was around 15 minutes I would guess.

If AR-15 was involved, we may see calls for a federal ban on AR-15 (after CO also) again.

Are people really still surprised that when we mess with the chemistry in someone's brain, shit gets a lot fucked up once in a while?

Interestingly, those celebrity tweets I mentioned earlier were also calling for more psychiatric help along with the more gun control.

You missed where the psychiatrists claim "If only we had done MORE..."

Assuming they got "school permission." What are the chances that would be granted, you think?

(probably rising, I'll admit)

CT law states that anyone with a valid license and a school permission can have a gun on premisses. So teachers/parents/staff could have guns with no issues.

While such atrocities are horrible, they're just random acts of violence and insignificant in the statistics.

Give everyone a gun and solve all problems...

Stupid people die and the criminal that pulls out a gun and finds everyone and granny itching to target practice on him.

To stay on topic.... They probably told him that his child will be taken away if he refuses to vaccinate. The meds must of made it worse. Was he white? Alot of white rage lately.

The school was a gun-free zone. Prohibitions don't prevent crime, clearly.

Anyone not prohibited from owning guns "shall be issued" a concealed carry permit. All you gotta do is ask.

shall issue state?

CT is a shall issue state. Guns don't prevent crimes clearly.

The people who do these kind of things are already unhinged and psychotic, taking away guns isn't going to do a thing, it doesn't help that schools are pretty horrible places to be to begin with.

This has already started. My twitter feed got flooded.

God does not like guns?

In most of these shootings we see early reports of multiple shooters. These reports are later discounted and forgotten. That seems the case here.

The pattern of the shooter being on psychotropic meds and under some type of psychiatric medical "care" will emerge.

The conspiracy community will link the shooter with military or intelligence agency connections via family members or co-workers.

Some big celebrity will make a stink about the need for more gun control.

I've noticed an increase in gun control advocacy around the web over the past six months. We know these ebbs and flows of the hive-mind are directed from above.