Topic: Next Generation Miners (Read 10227 times)

If you look closely at the pic's which have been stolen from all over, you can clearly see the word SCAM written everywhere

totally agree, we learned the hard way. We get paid off in 2 to 3 months in $ not in BTC.

If the hardware is not delivered the second day, don't buy.

I also will start preferring Mining contracts (that are alive and hashing).

where does it say 400usd on that site?

Let's hope you're right

BTC prices will go up eventually. it's a cycle.

With Bitcoin Prices dropping, yikes these miners seem like less investment worthy now

BFL = big f**ng luck getting your item on time.

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assuming the difficulty rises exponentially and the bitcoin value stays stable....

both are pretty unlikely

Guys, the black arrow prospero x-1 doesn't ship until 2/24/14. So you can expect to MAYBE start mining in march when the difficulty will be around 5BB give or take a few hundred million.

They are at best a break-even or slightly profitable buy. By the end of Q3 '14 the difficulty will outweigh the electrical cost.

Bitmine.ch coindesk miners have been added to the list! I'm going to be adding a visual image chart there soon so it's even better organized.

Edit: Done

He just will not comply, believe me I've tried.

Please add the Bitmine.ch 28nm miners to the list: CoinCraft Desk and CoinCraft Rig.

Just think about the amount of BTC people could have made if they delivered on time! 

The new 20-28nm chips certainly look tempting.

Agreed, BFL has been terrible.

It took them way too long to catch up, and they haven't even caught up yet, lots of people were completely scammed out of their money

Very disatisfying service

Feels like the troll community is starting to look for a new target now that BFL has almost caught up.

Thats uhhhh, Literally Why they are nextgen....

Lets start a mining hardware company with a website, pictures and preorders and stuff. Nice return policy in real money - get bitcoins let them sit and return the money in USD after a couple of months since, in all fairness you return the investment people made but take the profit of btc value increase. No harm done but no one happy either :X except the website owner :x

And even if the company is legit and makes what it promises if btc keeps rising like this your 1 btc payment would be 0,5 by the time they deliver.

Personally would like to get my hands on some nice asic miner to toy around with but don't wanna pre order anything.

There one thing I don't like: most of the products are pre-order only or will be shipped some time next year 

No one knows if they're legit or not yet, they're brand new and all of their products are currently pre-order only. We'll see if they are good or not after launch.

are black arrow legit? i wanna put some orders in and 10 x-1s is most affordable option for me right now. but dont want to loase a few thousand $$

.. bitmine.ch is a EU company
they are located in Switzerland and Switzerland is definitely not a EU member 

No.

Yes? Maybe no?

look at your signature...Someone is angry 

Should be fucking mandatory for bitcoin ASIC companies to show a photo of thier board otherwise not be allowed to advertise for SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE PROVEN TO EXSIST, AKA VAPOURWARE, AKA FALSE ADVERTISING

Of course, any asic miner will work for Sha-256 but not for scrypt

Peercoin(PPC) and Namecoin(NMC) uses SHA-256 hash algorithm just like Bitcoin.Is it possible to use bitcoin mining hardwares to mine PPC and NMC?

True, but at the same time, you have to know that the mining gear manufacturers can make as many machines as they want for their own mining and their own benefit! They want money from us so we can fund their own investments. So basically they will be the ones that dominate the BTC market, and not us hobbyists anymore.....

My prediction 2014. Watch this space.

I like how everyone has a crystal ball that can predict the future. If you knew BTC was better than mining equipment then why didn't you buy BTC when it was sub .01 back in 2011? Could have gotten 10k of BTC for the price of a pizza.  Is holding BTC now really that great of an idea? For someone to make double their investment BTC would need to go to $1800.  Funny I heard the same arguments about KNC first generation machines. Never ROI. Well now people are saying I could have made more by holding BTC.  Yes you could have if you didn't get cold feet when BTC went to $60 in July and sold because you thought this was the end for BTC.

Yeah, KNC answered my question in 24 hours with a really good attitude.  I flinched and decided against ordering, silly me.  Then again, putting that money directly into btc would have paid off even more.   c'est la vie. 

I was going to order a set of 10 of the Prospero X1 and sent in a question in regards to them but have not heard back from them after 4 days.  If that's the attitude they have towards customer's I'll take the wait and see option

I'm confused, minimum order is 10, so is that 10 orders of 100gh miners so 1 TH in miners?

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html 

  so 3.33 usd a gh times 3000 gh = 10000 usd

they say 2nd quarter .  well late 1st or second quarter .    so march 20th? to may 1st fits the bill.  a long way off.  still kn has made money for me so I may get me some

the price on the Neptune is about $10,000.00 for previous customers.

Wasps & Hive

The Hives (Mother Planes)

On board USB hub with a port for each blade.
Upstream port connects to linux board or box.
At least one extra port for potential billboard display or local display & cooling-controller.
On board 24-pin and 6/8 pin connectors for PC power supply (650-750W) provides 3.3, 5, and 12 V.
Last blade connector can accept a server power supply (12V only) for higher power operation, not needed when system is tuned for low-power consumption, or when it has fewer than a full load of blades.
8 available connection points for the Wasps.
Any Wasp no matter the type of the chip will work with the Hives.
All blades driven through USB hub.
Stand-alone hive is just a small card with sockets for power and USB.
Hot swap will be added in 2nd or 3rd iteration of the hive.
Linux embedded system to run cgminer/bfgminer bolts right down onto big mobo.

The Wasps (Blades)

Wasps can slot into mother plane.
Wasps can stand alone and be stacked FPGA style.
Wasps are made to fit the mother plane form factor.
Wasps can be independently powered and controlled without mother plane.

28nm

A1 Wasp

Bitmine A1 Chips Available Mid to Late December
240 Gh/s Overclocked (6 chips); more likely, with untested chips, 200 GH/s per board

Nominal total 1.920 Th/s, for a single 48 chip hive (assuming that all chips are fully working AND overclock to 40GH - not really likely, but our software can get the most possible out of them).

Nominal likely total hashing from 50 chips (and this is all that Bitmine guarantees) is 48 x 25 = 1.2 TH on 8 boards

Minion Wasp

Black Arrow Minion Chips Available Late February

520 Gh/s Standard (4 chips) per Wasp maybe a 6 chip version could be worked out although there are hints higher hash numbers can be achieved per chip according to leaked information from the BA engineers.

8 slots x 520 Gh/s. Nominal total 4.16 Th/s; more likely lower but undetermined yet as to the max / min Gh/s per board.

Prices: Undetermined but you can do rough calculations based on the chip prices for the A1 and Minion and use Asian bog standard board fabrication prices for existing BitFury / Asicminer blades and backplanes as a rough guide.

Note: We will be selling licenses to those who wish to fabricate these boards. We will have a working prototype using BitFury chips by December the 13th, 2013. A1 Wasps could start production as early as Early January, 2014. Minion Wasps could start production as early as Late February and more likely Early March, 2014. Production depends on whether chips are shipped on time by Bitmine and Black Arrow.


Future Website: www.thewaspproject.com
Current Members Only: https://projects.zoho.com/portal/thewaspproject

Neptune ?sounds interesting but i think i wont be more than 1 TH/s,if yes so it will be very expensive at this moment Cointerra is op and trustable company 

Alright so the miners have now been placed in order of hashing power in ascending order. BFL has a warning next to it to warn any potential buyers of its bad reputation.

ouh yes! remove them! i hope no one is even thinking about to buy something from them!

why in the world would u add BFL there?

Why don't they like group buys?

i'll believe those when i see them....   

There is the bitmine stuff too.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291141.new;topicseen#new

Just added a few of them to the list. Those things are going to put businesses out of business! Holy moly, 100 gh/s for $400?!?! That's insane!

what about the BlackArrow stuff?

So far what people who bought devices learned is that the devices are overpriced and it is much better investment to just buy BTC instead. By the time any of these devices come out, you would be lucky to make 3-5 BTC with them at most. Many will regret not buying BTC as an investment instead. There is no way for consumers to make any profit as long as manufacturers make huge farms with their new devices.

The game is rigged, your device immediately becomes worthless after release. This is why all the companies are having some pre-order scheme going on. It is just too late when you figure out your mistake.

So, why buy the device and bother listening to its noise when you can just buy BTC and look at it's value rise? I would only buy from a company which can ship the device the next day.

So, long story short, no I won't invest in these devices. Also not investing does not mean that you are out of the competition as long as you have BTC. You can let those companies compete with each other and cause increase of BTC prices and make more profit that way. (and if BTC crashes, it wont help if you have a device or not anyway so all the same...)

www.bitmine.ch is selling nextgen 28nm, atleast one more EU company:(

Added to first post

real next gen:

Just a few days ago they were selling for $15-$25 a piece, also the sentence reads "do you think there will be anymore cheap miners like the Asic Block Erupters that would sell for $20 a piece?" not "Did you know Asic miners sell for $20?"

Considering the only reason the prices of the asic miners are $40+ right now is because AM stopped producing them, if there were a new generation batch produced then the prices should be as cheap as they were before

You do understand the current price of Block Erupter is not even $20 right?

Here are some next generation (5th gen/2014) miners I've been able to find in order from least gh/s to most gh/s:



Links to each one:

• Prospero X-1 - 100 gh/s - $290: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html
• Baby Jet - 400 gh/s - $2k: https://hashfast.com/shop/baby-jet-400-ghs-d/
• Coincraft Desk - 400 gh/s to 1 th/s - $2369 to $5679: http://bitmine.ch/?product=coincraft-desk-january-batch
• Coincraft Rig - 500gh/s to 2 th/s - $3399 to $11,999: http://bitmine.ch/?product=coincraft-rig-mid-january-batch
• BFL Monarch - 600 gh/s - $5k: http://www.butterflylabs.com/monarch/ - Warning: BFL (Bad Reputation)!
• Terraminer II - 1 th/s - $3.5k: http://cointerra.com/product/terraminer-ii-1ths-jan-soldout/
• Sierra 1 - 1.2 th/s - $6k: https://hashfast.com/shop/sierra-third-batch/
• TerraMiner IV - 2 th/s - $6k: http://cointerra.com/product/terraminer-iv-2ths-networked-asic-miner-march-batch/
• Prospero X-3 - 2 th/s - $5k: https://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-3.html
• KNC Miner Neptune - 3000 gh/s - $9995: https://www.kncminer.com/
• Coincraft 28nm Asic - 8000 gh/s to 160000 th/s - $40,000 to $720,000: http://bitmine.ch/?product=coincraft-ai-asic

Feel free to add more.

If you buy one of these machines you will have a huge advantage over everyone else in this generation, at the same time though you won't be the only one buying them. Expect a huge amount of competition when you get these machines, and if you don't get one, you'll be out of the competition.

What do you think? Are you going to invest in these new generation miners or will you stay with your current models?