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grue

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Quote from: relmeas on June 15, 2011, 01:19:12 AM

With deepbit's PPS mode however, there is no trust involved - you can easily check how much shares you submit and how much payout you receive. Hence it's psychologically easier to trust in honesty of the proportional mode as well.

I think this is basically the main reason Deepbit is so popular - miners struck with unlucky sequence of days turn to the deepbit and use its PPS mode and from there they receive the same expected reward every day. Increased number of miners causes increased stability in block generation per day (except for the DDOS attack idle time) which keeps proportional mode users happy as well.

Other pools should implement similar feature if they really want to compete with deepbit.

continuumpool.com offers pps at a lower fee that deepbit.

eleuthria

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BTC Guild feeds on your hatred. If you hate us, I don't feel so bad taking out my rage and anger on you. It's win win.

darkskypoet

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Quote from: PabloW on June 15, 2011, 09:00:54 AM

Yes PPS is good because of the no-trust thing. But if you're a 24/7 miner I think proportional is the same, or even better.

Right now Bitcoins.lc has all the features deepbit has (and other more that are great) but it misses the PPS. As I dont use PPS, im gladly mining there, where I have 0% fees and my earnings are much bigger.
Its a no brainer for me at least. A pool that has fees, or a pool that doesnt. Why should I choose the one that has fees if Im earning less there?

Ditto.. I am there as well and the payouts with no fees are great. So far the earnings have been great.

PabloW

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Yes PPS is good because of the no-trust thing. But if you're a 24/7 miner I think proportional is the same, or even better.

Right now Bitcoins.lc has all the features deepbit has (and other more that are great) but it misses the PPS. As I dont use PPS, im gladly mining there, where I have 0% fees and my earnings are much bigger.
Its a no brainer for me at least. A pool that has fees, or a pool that doesnt. Why should I choose the one that has fees if Im earning less there?

relmeas

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Deepbit is so popular because it has the killer feature no other top pool has - the PPS mode.

You see, with any pool you have to trust the owner. He has full control over the web site that displays block statistics and what your miner software is working on. So you have to trust that the website is accurate and you indeed receive the part of every block pool finds using your computational capacity.

With deepbit's PPS mode however, there is no trust involved - you can easily check how much shares you submit and how much payout you receive. Hence it's psychologically easier to trust in honesty of the proportional mode as well.

I think this is basically the main reason Deepbit is so popular - miners struck with unlucky sequence of days turn to the deepbit and use its PPS mode and from there they receive the same expected reward every day. Increased number of miners causes increased stability in block generation per day (except for the DDOS attack idle time) which keeps proportional mode users happy as well.

Other pools should implement similar feature if they really want to compete with deepbit.

genewitch

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Quote from: Jack of Diamonds on June 14, 2011, 11:39:46 AM

Quote from: ItsASpork on June 13, 2011, 12:57:38 PM

Tell me of another pool with high hash rate (= low variance), pay-per-share, instant payout (no 120 blocks to confirm b.s.), long polling

I gladly pay 7% for that. In fact my earnings on DB are consistently higher than on slush despite the 5% difference in fees.

& I don't have to wait 16-24+ hours for "confirmed".

Does slush not have the "pay transaction fees" set on the server side? deepbit's payouts are fast because the fees you're paying are used to pay out transactions, just check out the speed of payout!

Anyhow i am using my own pool right now so i withdrew my deepbit BTC.

Jack of Diamonds

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Quote from: ItsASpork on June 13, 2011, 12:57:38 PM

I'm surprised people are still sticking with deepbit when it has such a high fee. Is there something about it I'm missing?

Tell me of another pool with high hash rate (= low variance), pay-per-share, instant payout (no 120 blocks to confirm b.s.), long polling

I gladly pay 7% for that. In fact my earnings on DB are consistently higher than on slush despite the 5% difference in fees.

& I don't have to wait 16-24+ hours for "confirmed".

LudwigDG

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Quote from: supa on June 13, 2011, 04:25:59 PM

Youtube videos are a factor of judgment for pools?

What are you guys - Apple fanboys? Grin

You have to be literally retarded (no offense to people that are actually retarded - although I don't think they would try to make an argument against this statement) to not be able to set yourself up on St. Eligius.

Well thank you for clearing that up yet, yes. If you don't know how things work youtube video's are the best way to go.
The newest generation of students are from the video age. We don't like to read, we want to watch. The image is stronger than the speaker, is stronger than the text.

Just is case you never had marketing.

No offence meant.

But most people don't know how computers work, they just want it to work.

PabloW

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Look at this lol

supa

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What country?

relmeas

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Quote from: supa on June 13, 2011, 06:07:25 PM

Wow, what are you... 5?

Welcome to the internets.

It's very very VERY VERY common practice to ban whole ranges of IPs (even whole countries) from your "average" web server. You get nothing but garbage scans, weird form submissions and crawls from bots in whole IP blocks. If you've ever actually operated a web server.... you would probably know this....

While it's certainly one of those "make it more difficult for the good guys to get through" scenarios.... it's nearly common practice now.

I don't think Luke-Jr has a tiny moustache if that's what you're trying to imply.

well idk, every other pool I tried works for me, so something must be wrong with that particular pool.

and no, i am not from China (is it even legal or possible to mine in there?).

Also I am sure there are LOTS of miners in my country so this could be the reason it grows so slowly.

grue

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Quote from: ItsASpork on June 13, 2011, 07:47:43 PM

What the hell happened here?

one (or more) of the pool stats pages is down, but they're still putting out blocks.

ItsASpork

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What the hell happened here?

supa

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Wow, what are you... 5?

Welcome to the internets.

It's very very VERY VERY common practice to ban whole ranges of IPs (even whole countries) from your "average" web server. You get nothing but garbage scans, weird form submissions and crawls from bots in whole IP blocks. If you've ever actually operated a web server.... you would probably know this....

While it's certainly one of those "make it more difficult for the good guys to get through" scenarios.... it's nearly common practice now.

I don't think Luke-Jr has a tiny moustache if that's what you're trying to imply.

relmeas

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obviously eligius does not want any miners since he bans whole countries. that pool unfortunately is not going anywhere with that kinds of attitudes of the owners.

as of the other pools, well deepbit seems best to me because of very stable reward - you don't get 4 hour blocks that ruin the day ..

I also mined at slush but I hate the payout method, you have to wait several hours to get BTC out. Also the way he calculates reward is very questionable...

for now I am sticking with btcguild (as backup) and deepbit. because they have instant payout options and simple reward calculation.

supa

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Youtube videos are a factor of judgment for pools?

What are you guys - Apple fanboys? Grin

You have to be literally retarded (no offense to people that are actually retarded - although I don't think they would try to make an argument against this statement) to not be able to set yourself up on St. Eligius.

1) Copy and paste miner line from their website somewhere
2) Open Client
3) Copy Payment Address
4) Replace the username part in the miner command with your payment address
5) Run miner with your address in there
6) Go piss off

Shortest youtube video ever.

No email activation nonsense. No email required. No passwords. No locking yourself out. No losing logon information and having someone empty your wallet. No weird fees.

LudwigDG

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Like I just did today. Went to BTCMine.

I'm still trying to get all my money away from deepbit but it is having issues.

Is it normal that when I see a payment in my wallet that still needs confirmation but when I go to blockexplorer that it is not listed?
Is this the way it works or is there a big problem with deepbit?

PabloW

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Quote from: LudwigDG on June 13, 2011, 02:09:16 PM

Deepbit is the best site there is and definitely when you are new. Deepbit is the only site that is easy enough to start with.
They explain what you need to do and a lot of youtube video's about setting up mining are using deepbit to register.

Thats may be true, but its just newbie-friendly, that doesnt mean its the best. Its good for being introduced maybe, but in like 1 week or 2 your ready to go and explore other better pools

LudwigDG

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Deepbit is the best site there is and definitely when you are new. Deepbit is the only site that is easy enough to start with.
They explain what you need to do and a lot of youtube video's about setting up mining are using deepbit to register.

ItsASpork

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I'm surprised people are still sticking with deepbit when it has such a high fee. Is there something about it I'm missing?

PabloW

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Hey the pie im seeing is totally different

Bitcoins.lc is about to implement a confirmed/uncofirmed ability to payout like Deepbit has! also has 0% fee and all the other cool features that we like. I think its going to rise a lot real soon

allinvain

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Quote from: relmeas on June 13, 2011, 01:47:21 AM

It may also be a keylogger. Install a firewall to watch for suspicious connections and scan for viruses.

Hmm if it was a keylogger you'd figure it would go after something more important. Why wouldn't such a malicious program go after my wallet.dat file instead? I dunno I have some doubts that it's a keylogger but I'm going to run a bunch of anti virus scans (f-secure, bitdefender, etc) and maybe spybot & malwarebytes.

relmeas

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It may also be a keylogger. Install a firewall to watch for suspicious connections and scan for viruses.

allinvain

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Quote from: relmeas on June 13, 2011, 01:36:34 AM

Quote from: allinvain on June 12, 2011, 11:24:37 PM

Quote from: relmeas on June 12, 2011, 10:26:24 PM

have you used HTTPS ?
someone may be sniffing your traffic...

Slush's pool does not run over HTTPS.

you can use https but you have to override its certificate. I don't know about your browser but Firefox allows this.

If I were you I'd connect through https and change the password, see if that stops address changes.

Yep I changed it once again and it's been stable thus far, but granted I had no miners running so whoever broke in no longer has any incentive to change the address. Right now slush is getting DDoS'ed so once the website is back up I will log in via SSL and change the password again just to be on the safe side. Slush is also going to look into what happened. If he discovers that the fault lies with his site I hope he would be so kind as to refund the lost 3.99 BTC.

relmeas

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Quote from: allinvain on June 12, 2011, 11:24:37 PM

Quote from: relmeas on June 12, 2011, 10:26:24 PM

have you used HTTPS ?
someone may be sniffing your traffic...

Slush's pool does not run over HTTPS.

you can use https but you have to override its certificate. I don't know about your browser but Firefox allows this.

If I were you I'd connect through https and change the password, see if that stops address changes.

allinvain

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Quote from: relmeas on June 12, 2011, 11:23:10 PM

yeah sounds great, but I am hesitant right now with the 6 hour blocks possibility...

also I don't want 1 BTC payout limit, maybe it's ok when you get several BTC per day but for me it's too big limitation.

Yep good point. For some smaller miners the 1 BTC payout limit can be annoying and also the long round duration as well. It would not be so bad if more people were to switch over to this pool. If we can get 500 gigahashes it would be nice.

allinvain

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Quote from: relmeas on June 12, 2011, 10:26:24 PM

have you used HTTPS ?
someone may be sniffing your traffic...

Slush's pool does not run over HTTPS. I would be surprised if someone is sniffing my traffic, but I suppose that is theoretically possible. I'm waiting for slush to respond, maybe he can give me some clue as to what IP logged into my account changed the payout address. This way I can perhaps tell who or what might/may be sniffing packets.

relmeas

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yeah sounds great, but I am hesitant right now with the 6 hour blocks possibility...

also I don't want 1 BTC payout limit, maybe it's ok when you get several BTC per day but for me it's too big limitation.

supa

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Quote from: relmeas on June 12, 2011, 10:26:24 PM

have you used HTTPS ?
someone may be sniffing your traffic...

That's the best part of St. Eligius - no stupid registration, no password data, no compromise, no sending my email and personal data to random people on the internets......

I can paste my St. Eligius connection string on a billboard and the worst you can do is contribute to me.

relmeas

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have you used HTTPS ?
someone may be sniffing your traffic...

allinvain

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Quote from: tehcodez on June 12, 2011, 09:48:25 PM

bitcoinwatch.com

+1...spread yo' mining love (though slush's rox).

Yeah I like/liked? slush too. Although my account with that pool just got hacked 10 min ago. I changed the password and still someone managed to changer the payout address. Password was ultra secure randomly generated.

I guess every pool has its problems.

Right now I'm mining with Eligius until I figure out what the heck happened on slush.

LegitBit

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simplecoin.us is back up.

tehcodez

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bitcoinwatch.com

+1...spread yo' mining love (though slush's rox).

anewbie

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Where do these mining pool pie charts come from?

I've seen a few posted, so they must be coming from a website, but I don't know what one.

Thanks!

allinvain

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I wish more people mined with Eligius. I like the fact that they pay from block generation but the has rate is a bit on the low side. It would be nice if was higher to lower the variance as much as possible.

ataranlen

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The One and Only

LOL! If you say so! *continues mining at deepbit*

grue

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deepbit got its turn, now it's slush's pool, and possibly btcguild.

STOP MINING AT SLUSH/BTCGUILD, YOU'RE COMPROMISING THE SECURITY OF BITCOIN!!111!1

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