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We cannot know what the background of the agreement is, but this decision does not mean that the authorities got a backdoor in Telegram and that they will get user data automatically. The right of a country to request such data through court orders is completely legitimate, as is the right of Telegram to reject it if it considers such a request to be unfounded.
I assume that the recent changes in Telegram's rules are a result of the arrest and movement restrictions placed on Pavel Durov. I doubt if he would reject a court judgement from a French court to provide information about a user. He might end up in jail if he does that.

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This forum is also fully compliant with the laws, especially those in the US where the servers are located, which means that the forum has cooperated with the authorities several times and provided them with information about certain users, but it can also refuse any request if it deems that there is no legal basis for it.
In the case of Telegram, it is the court that might request this information. Failure to obey court judgment is a serious crime called contempt of court. A court order is binding on all individuals or organizations within its jurisdiction. The option the platform has in such an event is to appeal such judgment in a higher court and get a restraining order. It might end up becoming a legal battle that might eventually get to the Supreme Court.
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Telegram will probably still retain the right to reject any attempt to identify someone to the authorities only because of their political, religious or similar views.
I doubt if they still have such rights. A warrant of arrest or court order from any influential country requesting the details of a user might be too difficult for Telegram to reject.

We cannot know what the background of the agreement is, but this decision does not mean that the authorities got a backdoor in Telegram and that they will get user data automatically. The right of a country to request such data through court orders is completely legitimate, as is the right of Telegram to reject it if it considers such a request to be unfounded.

This forum is also fully compliant with the laws, especially those in the US where the servers are located, which means that the forum has cooperated with the authorities several times and provided them with information about certain users, but it can also refuse any request if it deems that there is no legal basis for it.
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A search warrant from the police or Court will be enough to mandate Telegram to give out your IP addresses and phone numbers to authorities. With this policy change, users are no longer safe to share their views without fear of intimidation, arrest, or imprisonment.

After this new rule by Telegram, it is now officially the end of an era when another private messaging app succumbed to the pressure of governments. This also means many scammers will quickly move to a new platform like Signal or something new in the making. I do feel a lot a crypto projects that have their current channels or have created bots to access their platform will now shift or close them. 
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The arrest of Pavel Durov has started yielding fruits for the government. He has agreed to give out the details of users to the government which was against the forum's rules. A search warrant from the police or Court will be enough to mandate Telegram to give out your IP addresses and phone numbers to authorities. With this policy change, users are no longer safe to share their views without fear of intimidation, arrest, or imprisonment.

Forum rules? Maybe you expressed yourself wrong and you mean the previous positions of Telegram, which rejected such requests in the past?
Yeah, I was referring to Telegram as a forum. Maybe I should have called it a social media platform.

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Telegram will probably still retain the right to reject any attempt to identify someone to the authorities only because of their political, religious or similar views.
I doubt if they still have such rights. A warrant of arrest or court order from any influential country requesting the details of a user might be too difficult for Telegram to reject.
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The arrest of Pavel Durov has started yielding fruits for the government. He has agreed to give out the details of users to the government which was against the forum's rules. A search warrant from the police or Court will be enough to mandate Telegram to give out your IP addresses and phone numbers to authorities. With this policy change, users are no longer safe to share their views without fear of intimidation, arrest, or imprisonment.


Forum rules? Maybe you expressed yourself wrong and you mean the previous positions of Telegram, which rejected such requests in the past?

Regardless of all the paranoia and conspiracy theories that the "attack" on Telegram is an attack on privacy, I don't see why anyone would consider it a problem if data about child abusers, drug dealers or terrorists are shared with the authorities if they request it with attached evidence?

Telegram will probably still retain the right to reject any attempt to identify someone to the authorities only because of their political, religious or similar views.
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The messaging app Telegram has said it will hand over users' IP addresses and phone numbers to authorities who have search warrants or other valid legal requests.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvglp0xny3eo

The arrest of Pavel Durov has started yielding fruits for the government. He has agreed to give out the details of users to the government which was against the forum's rules. A search warrant from the police or Court will be enough to mandate Telegram to give out your IP addresses and phone numbers to authorities. With this policy change, users are no longer safe to share their views without fear of intimidation, arrest, or imprisonment.
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Do you really think there's any privacy in these phone messengers?
I would recommend you to listen to public lectures of IT security specialists.
Your camera, microphone, desktop in your phone can transmit your data at any time, and you talk about privacy.

Do you think that your internet connection is not being monitored? Unless you come out with a justified argument it is understood that you are being monitored after using multiple ways to hide yourself from the internet. None of us can hide from them but we have someone who was trying his level best and was better than WhatsApp. Frankly, I expected you to reply better when we discussed an application that helps us chat. I mean we have gone past those days when we could hide ourselves with VPN or use TOR browser as they as in the government have already found solutions to counter your lookout about this issue.

I hope you understand that Telegram was the one app that was supposed to not look into chats. By what he has done now every chat will be monitored and you can not hide from the government or those who are controlling the world. It is not good news for me but it will a bad news for your country as Russia will be the country to suffer more.
I know of a few other apps that have good private email security with encryption. Signal,Threema, Briar and others. I don't think it's a big problem for Russia. It's very expensive to keep track of everybody.
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There has been an increase in kidnapping for ransom in some parts of my country. Many people would have thought that these criminals would ask for cryptocurrencies as payments. But they always ask for fiat cash payments, and it is almost impossible for the police to track these payments. So, besides online fiat transactions, cash might be very difficult to track.
Very true, it is almost impossible to track cash, and it is a suitable tool for scammers and other types of criminals. Take note that many criminals do not even understand anything about BTC or its technology, so they cannot commit their crime in BTC, but they use cash, which has been a tool for scammers for a very long time now.

The French authorities are also trying to get more information from authorities in Switzerland, where last year Durov's former partner made claims of violent conduct by Durov on one of the children they had together, i don't know if this is true, but it looks like the French authorities are just looking for more info to compound their claims against Durov.
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Russia might be considering boycotting Telegram for fear of leakage of sensitive information to the West. Telegram has been Russia's military main communication channel in the Ukrainian war. Authorities in Russia are concerned that the detention of Pavel Durov might give the West access to some sensitive security information.


Durov was released from custody after some time, but with the obligation not to leave France. Most likely, he made some kind of agreement with the French government. Of course, Durov knows a lot. The news discusses whether he was a Russian agent, since he often came to Moscow and enjoyed certain privileges.
Yeah he has been released from police custody but he is still held in France. He is to report to the police two times a week and is not allowed to move out of France. For a man of his status who is used to travelling around the world, that's imprisonment.
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Russia might be considering boycotting Telegram for fear of leakage of sensitive information to the West. Telegram has been Russia's military main communication channel in the Ukrainian war. Authorities in Russia are concerned that the detention of Pavel Durov might give the West access to some sensitive security information.


Durov was released from custody after some time, but with the obligation not to leave France. Most likely, he made some kind of agreement with the French government. Of course, Durov knows a lot. The news discusses whether he was a Russian agent, since he often came to Moscow and enjoyed certain privileges.

Indeed, the Russian military actively used telegrams during military operations in Ukraine. Now the Kremlin cannot be sure that their secret correspondence will remain secret. In such cases, it can be said that Durov himself is under threat of being eliminated by the Kremlin.
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Russia might be considering boycotting Telegram for fear of leakage of sensitive information to the West. Telegram has been Russia's military main communication channel in the Ukrainian war. Authorities in Russia are concerned that the detention of Pavel Durov might give the West access to some sensitive security information.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/will-telegram-ceo-pavel-durovs-arrest-unlock-some-top-russian-secrets/articleshow/113263943.cms

The media hardly talks about fiat fraud, it is always about crypto fraud, spreading fud in the hearts of people that BTC is a scam, just as you can lose your money in fiat is the same way you can lose your money in BTC, the only difference is that stolen fiat is easier to track than BTC, especially when it is used with privacy solutions like mixers and CoinJoin implementations. I agree that the government loves control and that's why they'll never support a decentralized or private system.
There has been an increase in kidnapping for ransom in some parts of my country. Many people would have thought that these criminals would ask for cryptocurrencies as payments. But they always ask for fiat cash payments, and it is almost impossible for the police to track these payments. So, besides online fiat transactions, cash might be very difficult to track.
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As expected, Pavel Durov started making changes to Telegram after his release. Telegram disables ‘misused’ features as CEO faces criminal charges. This is how the government, under the disguise of law, makes enterprises work for them. If he had not listened to them, then he would have gone to prison for certain and would have lost more money in the name of penalty.
Okay, in other words, you're being told that the privacy of your correspondence may be violated.  If you are not involved in crime and you are not a person to be monitored, nothing will change for you.  It's even better because the scammers will leave the telegram.

"...you're being told that the privacy of your correspondence may be violated"

Since the original purpose of Telegram was to offer privacy for your correspondence that does seem like a really big deal. They had so much momentum and growth this summer, there was no chance the heavy powers in the world would not notice.
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They would have banned Internet fiat banking because it is prone to hacking and used by scammers. The government wants to put everything under their control so that they can easily manipulate the people.
The media hardly talks about fiat fraud, it is always about crypto fraud, spreading fud in the hearts of people that BTC is a scam, just as you can lose your money in fiat is the same way you can lose your money in BTC, the only difference is that stolen fiat is easier to track than BTC, especially when it is used with privacy solutions like mixers and CoinJoin implementations. I agree that the government loves control and that's why they'll never support a decentralized or private system.
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Do you really think there's any privacy in these phone messengers?
I would recommend you to listen to public lectures of IT security specialists.
Your camera, microphone, desktop in your phone can transmit your data at any time, and you talk about privacy.

Do you think that your internet connection is not being monitored? Unless you come out with a justified argument it is understood that you are being monitored after using multiple ways to hide yourself from the internet. None of us can hide from them but we have someone who was trying his level best and was better than WhatsApp. Frankly, I expected you to reply better when we discussed an application that helps us chat. I mean we have gone past those days when we could hide ourselves with VPN or use TOR browser as they as in the government have already found solutions to counter your lookout about this issue.

I hope you understand that Telegram was the one app that was supposed to not look into chats. By what he has done now every chat will be monitored and you can not hide from the government or those who are controlling the world. It is not good news for me but it will a bad news for your country as Russia will be the country to suffer more.
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Okay, in other words, you're being told that the privacy of your correspondence may be violated.  If you are not involved in crime and you are not a person to be monitored, nothing will change for you.  It's even better because the scammers will leave the telegram.
The issue isn't about that. It's about why there is a push to penalize an entrepreneur and his product, which is based on privacy. Let's look at it this way: the people who invented the internet should be the ones in trouble before Durov.

The main problem here is that he was disloyal to the individuals who control the Western narrative. The UAE has canceled its plan to purchase Raffle because Durov was arrested. Many things are happening behind the scenes that we are not privy to.

Unfortunately, Durov has now accepted defeat by changing his policy. It is a clear indication that he has been forced to do so, as he is still not allowed to leave France until the court case is resolved in his favor.
Do you really think there's any privacy in these phone messengers?
I would recommend you to listen to public lectures of IT security specialists.
Your camera, microphone, desktop in your phone can transmit your data at any time, and you talk about privacy.
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Okay, in other words, you're being told that the privacy of your correspondence may be violated.  If you are not involved in crime and you are not a person to be monitored, nothing will change for you.  It's even better because the scammers will leave the telegram.
The issue isn't about that. It's about why there is a push to penalize an entrepreneur and his product, which is based on privacy. Let's look at it this way: the people who invented the internet should be the ones in trouble before Durov.

The main problem here is that he was disloyal to the individuals who control the Western narrative. The UAE has canceled its plan to purchase Raffle because Durov was arrested. Many things are happening behind the scenes that we are not privy to.

Unfortunately, Durov has now accepted defeat by changing his policy. It is a clear indication that he has been forced to do so, as he is still not allowed to leave France until the court case is resolved in his favor.
I totally agree that there are so many things going on behind the scenes hidden from the public. This is a fight against privacy. Telegram might be a hive for scammers but it is one of the platforms that is still promoting privacy. The government likes focusing on the challenges a product has rather than the good part of it. They would have banned Internet fiat banking because it is prone to hacking and used by scammers. The government wants to put everything under their control so that they can easily manipulate the people.
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Okay, in other words, you're being told that the privacy of your correspondence may be violated.  If you are not involved in crime and you are not a person to be monitored, nothing will change for you.  It's even better because the scammers will leave the telegram.
The issue isn't about that. It's about why there is a push to penalize an entrepreneur and his product, which is based on privacy. Let's look at it this way: the people who invented the internet should be the ones in trouble before Durov.

The main problem here is that he was disloyal to the individuals who control the Western narrative. The UAE has canceled its plan to purchase Raffle because Durov was arrested. Many things are happening behind the scenes that we are not privy to.

Unfortunately, Durov has now accepted defeat by changing his policy. It is a clear indication that he has been forced to do so, as he is still not allowed to leave France until the court case is resolved in his favor.
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As expected, Pavel Durov started making changes to Telegram after his release. Telegram disables ‘misused’ features as CEO faces criminal charges. This is how the government, under the disguise of law, makes enterprises work for them. If he had not listened to them, then he would have gone to prison for certain and would have lost more money in the name of penalty.
Twitter is been attacked in Brazil because Elon Musk decided not to sensor opposition. Pavel Durov is been persecuted because he decided to uphold privacy. From some indications, the government is gradually putting these platforms under their control. Telegram will have to make adequate changes to it's platform or risk more sanctions. The company is currently changing private chats and moderation rules to suit the standard of the government. Pavel had indicated his interest to keep fighting for privacy but it seems the fight is getting fierce. He would have to obey the government or lose his business.
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As expected, Pavel Durov started making changes to Telegram after his release. Telegram disables ‘misused’ features as CEO faces criminal charges. This is how the government, under the disguise of law, makes enterprises work for them. If he had not listened to them, then he would have gone to prison for certain and would have lost more money in the name of penalty.
Okay, in other words, you're being told that the privacy of your correspondence may be violated.  If you are not involved in crime and you are not a person to be monitored, nothing will change for you.  It's even better because the scammers will leave the telegram.
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As expected, Pavel Durov started making changes to Telegram after his release. Telegram disables ‘misused’ features as CEO faces criminal charges. This is how the government, under the disguise of law, makes enterprises work for them. If he had not listened to them, then he would have gone to prison for certain and would have lost more money in the name of penalty.
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I hope he does resolve the issue with the French authorities and leave the country but I don't think his troubles are over yet. The South Korean government is also launching a fresh investigation against him over the distribution of AI generated deepfake sexual contents on telegram, so this could be political motivated. Just as Neuroticfish said, maybe they're trying to force him to do the same thing as Whatsapp.

With the current heat coming his way, I don't know how long he can keep up with the fight for privacy and freedom. He left his home country when the Russian government demanded for telegram encryption key because they wanted to surveil users. He's battling with the French authorities while the South Korean government is waiting on the sideline to bounce on him. At the end, he may be forced to give in to the demands of the authorities.
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https://dailypost.ng/2024/09/06/telegram-ready-to-quit-non-compatible-markets-ceo-durov/

Pavel Durov has made it clear that he is not in business just for money. According to him, one of the main reasons why he is in business is to bring good and defend the basic rights of people. So Telegram will leave any market that is against its guiding principles. He also stated that Telegram is banned in Iran and Russia because the company decided to promote privacy and security.

The Telegram CEO also stated that holding inventors responsible for the activities of a third party on their platform is wrong. If inventors know that they will be held responsible for the use of their platform, they may decide not to produce new inventions. It is not possible for a social media platform to weed out all criminals. Hence, his comments may insinuate that Telegram is willing to exit the French market.
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I want to ask a simple question why did he go to France? When he knows currently the whole of Europe is against him and his country of origin then why did he go to a country that is known for its stupid laws?
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I read somewhere his plane needed fuel, so that is why they landed too early and in a bad spot. Really glad to see he is free now, I wasn't checking every day.
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I hope the French authorities come to an amicable agreement with the CEO soon enough.
Nothing is perfect, today's news is September 2 2024, that Pavel Durov, CEO of Telegram, has declared conditional release due to his arrest.
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Parole with Bail
Despite his arrest, Durov was given the opportunity to be released on parole by a judge, on condition of paying bail of 5 million euros.

However, Durov is still prohibited from leaving French territory during the investigation process.

The judge emphasized that this conditional release does not remove Durov's obligation to continue participating in the ongoing legal process.

So for now Pavel Durov is still under the supervision of the French authorities in the case of the arrest of the CEO of Telegram, even though there are legal guarantees, I am sure this case will not take long and Pavel Durov can resolve all the illegal charges accused by the French authorities.
I don't know, the allegations are very serious and from what I read the last time, he has posted bail but was not allowed the country. And then the whole world is division, there are some groups that supported Durov, sort of a freedom of speech fighter, and then France as the bad guy in this case. On the other hand, some entities treat Durov as the criminals as his Telegram is being used by everyone from pedo to terrorists and he doesn't want to share the information as who is this individuals as they are hiding on his app as convo as encrypted.
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I hope the French authorities come to an amicable agreement with the CEO soon enough.
Nothing is perfect, today's news is September 2 2024, that Pavel Durov, CEO of Telegram, has declared conditional release due to his arrest.
As the news source said.
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Parole with Bail
Despite his arrest, Durov was given the opportunity to be released on parole by a judge, on condition of paying bail of 5 million euros.

However, Durov is still prohibited from leaving French territory during the investigation process.

The judge emphasized that this conditional release does not remove Durov's obligation to continue participating in the ongoing legal process.

So for now Pavel Durov is still under the supervision of the French authorities in the case of the arrest of the CEO of Telegram, even though there are legal guarantees, I am sure this case will not take long and Pavel Durov can resolve all the illegal charges accused by the French authorities.
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He will surely be indicted and sentenced with an option to pay a huge fine.
I believe so too, there is also pressure on France, as a lot of people are monitoring this case closely and accusing France of being against freedom and free speech, and it is hard to disagree if you look at the charges against Durov. Telegram isn't the only messaging application that illicit things happen, except these authorities want telegram to spy into chats and groups of their users, while lying to them that they don't.
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He holds multiple citizenship by saying that I mean he is a citizen of UAE. Recently UAE has cancelled their order to buy 80 Rafale jets. It is all political and his arrest is related to the war happening between Russia and Ukraine.

There have been reports wherein he was asked to get all of his tech to France. He did decline it and now he is facing the back stabbing, as this is the new Europe which is a foot soldier employed by the US..

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I want to ask a simple question why did he go to France? When he knows currently the whole of Europe is against him and his country of origin then why did he go to a country that is known for its stupid laws?
Maybe he felt it would be better to face these charges than to keep running away from prosecution. There is also speculation that he was invited personally by French President Emmanuel Macron but he has denied such a report.

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He is free now! He had to pay a significant amount to get himself free. I am certain that his arrest and his being out of jail after payment is something related to the war. It will be the only time, that we may see him residing in the US without any problem.
He had to pay €5 million as bail, will not leave France and will have to report to the police every two weeks. He seems to have some backups from two countries since he is a citizen of France, UAE and Russia. He will surely be indicted and sentenced with an option to pay a huge fine.
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I want to ask a simple question why did he go to France? When he knows currently the whole of Europe is against him and his country of origin then why did he go to a country that is known for its stupid laws?

He is free now! He had to pay a significant amount to get himself free. I am certain that his arrest and his being out of jail after payment is something related to the war. It will be the only time, that we may see him residing in the US without any problem.

The charges of child pornography is not the first that has been put on the founder of a tech giant like Telegram. The authorities have already questioned the owner of Meta and the owner of Twitter.

Yet, none of them got to be in jail and have paid any money to secure themselves from the authorities. I guess he got slammed with so many laws and got portrayed as a criminal. Thank to almighty he is out but how long he will be is something that we all need to follow before coming to any conclusion about this issue.
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And my first opinion was that Pavel Durov will not go the way of Julian Assange, but will go the way of CZ, because he is a businessman, not a freedom fighter.

I'm waiting for the official charges to be announced.

The charges sound a bit extreme. They've basically try to put on his shoulders every bad thing an user could do on Telegram? Come on...
I have the feeling they just try to shake him a little and "convince" him to do with Telegram like FB did with WhatsApp: keep it encrypted only by name, not for real.
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Agree that Telegram's massive user base is the main target, not the TON ecosystem. Wondering if this will lead to increased scrutiny on other crypto projects and their founders?
Telegram has recently become the major base of many airdrops. Few of them have been profitable while many have been a waste of time. That social media platform has also been experiencing high levels of financial scams. Before now, Facebook used to be a scammers' haven, but Telegram has taken over the first position.

https://www.financemagnates.com/forex/telegram-whatsapp-lead-on-the-number-of-traders-who-lose-money-to-scams-survey/

The platform has been accused of selling child sexual abuse material, promoting drug trafficking, and fraud, covering organized crime transactions and refusing to provide documents to law enforcement agents. This accusation could have dire consequences on the platform if they are found guilty. A genuine crypto project shouldn't be intimidated by any future scrutiny since there will be an alternative to Telegram.   
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Agree that Telegram's massive user base is the main target, not the TON ecosystem. Wondering if this will lead to increased scrutiny on other crypto projects and their founders?
Who do you think will be next?
Justin Sun or Elon Musk?  
Vitalik Buterin sold his soul to the bankers a long time ago and he is untouchable Smiley
Cryptocurrencies are already getting special attention in the US and Europe without Pavel Durov.
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Agree that Telegram's massive user base is the main target, not the TON ecosystem. Wondering if this will lead to increased scrutiny on other crypto projects and their founders?
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I had no idea, thanks for sharing. Congrats on capitalizing on the price drop of TON coin, that was some quick thinking! I'm curious, do you think this arrest will have any long-term effects on Telegram or the crypto market in general?

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The TVL of the ecosystem is very low, and when you consider that there are a lot of useless memtokens out there, the actual performance of this ecosystem is even lower.

Well, Telegram has almost 1 billion users, so those who detained it, first of all, want to control its messenger and not its ecosystem with shitcoins.
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 I had no idea, thanks for sharing. Congrats on capitalizing on the price drop of TON coin, that was some quick thinking! I'm curious, do you think this arrest will have any long-term effects on Telegram or the crypto market in general?
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The telegram CEO was arrested in France by the French police on 24/08/2024.  The news of the arrest quickly affected the price of the TON coin although it bounced back I was lucky enough to also capitalize on the instant drop in price! I bought some too when it dropped to 5.22 and sold back at 5.80 it was a swift opportunity I capitalized on and I was lucky enough to make some profits. I hope the French authorities come to an amicable agreement with the CEO soon enough.
There is an existing thread on the arrest of CEO Pavel Durov on the Meta board. The title and link are Owner of Telegram has been arrested recently . Maybe your topic might be suitable in trading or altcoin discussion since you are relating the arrest to TON trading. This shows how events like this could be an opportunity to make some profit. Telegram has released a statement that the CEO has nothing to hide, so let us see how his prosecution will go.   
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The telegram CEO was arrested in France by the French police on 24/08/2024.  The news of the arrest quickly affected the price of the TON coin although it bounced back I was lucky enough to also capitalize on the instant drop in price! I bought some too when it dropped to 5.22 and sold back at 5.80 it was a swift opportunity I capitalized on and I was lucky enough to make some profits. I hope the French authorities come to an amicable agreement with the CEO soon enough.
I've been writing some comments in the Russian board.
And my first opinion was that Pavel Durov will not go the way of Julian Assange, but will go the way of CZ, because he is a businessman, not a freedom fighter.

I'm waiting for the official charges to be announced.
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The telegram CEO was arrested in France by the French police on 24/08/2024.  The news of the arrest quickly affected the price of the TON coin although it bounced back I was lucky enough to also capitalize on the instant drop in price! I bought some too when it dropped to 5.22 and sold back at 5.80 it was a swift opportunity I capitalized on and I was lucky enough to make some profits. I hope the French authorities come to an amicable agreement with the CEO soon enough.
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