Topic: No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats. (Read 582 times)

Those who think I was defending BestChange because I was keen to participate in their campaign, I assure you they were wrong. If I can recall correctly then while exploring I noticed some tags in their account. Curious me wanted to see the reasons behind and I ended up on YOSHIE's thread and discovered both tags from YOSHIE and THAM were very conflicting to me. So I spoke about it.
I would do the same for anyone else if I notice them. I am not much into meta and reputation like I am in gambling and bitcoin wallet related boards.

The recent incident started on the topic created by Coolcryptovator and I was responding to a post of eddie13 where he mentioned trio : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53846011
Here with trio he meant YOSHIE, Cryptovator and TalkStar.

To me it looked YOSHIE is different than the other two so in my response I said,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53855512

And this triggered Yoshie to come up with this response : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53856255

In there he started to say,
1. "So you want get rid of me" - as if I threatened him
2. Talking about this parmanent government job
3. Talking about not sucking my saliva
4. Started to tell me arrogant, stupid etc
5. Talking about his dealing with adults : "Do not be like a child who whines for ASI, a little adult, we deal with adults."
6. And to meet me with his passport.

Now I have no clue what triggered him to come up with all these while I was only wanted to point things to Coolcryptovator and TalkStar with eddie13 where I explicitly wanted YOSHIE out of other two.

Anyway, as I said I will lock this thread - I am locking it now but I could not resist to know what he really meant with saying to make me unconscious and in his latest response when he said , "Don't, press the trigger again." : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53859441

Once I get a response from him and if there are anything else to talk about the context of the responses then I may unlock this thread.

Thanks to everyone.

Cheers,

A threat, how can a person threaten the internet world, without knowing each other and without knowing the threatened place of residence, home and country.

The threat applies if the person threatening to know the place of residence and know the person, from YOSHIE language can be valued and interpreted, the meaning of (unconscious), nothing in the threat dictionary tends to lead to the factor of being aware of someone-if-someone-has-no-consciousness, when brought to court with the word (unconscious), to say a threat, maybe the judge tells the reporter to take a shower, or anything for the reporter to realize what we are complaining about.

Which includes threatening words like, if I meet you I will make a calculation and will kill you, you bastard I shoot / stab you to die you, I kill you, this is what is called the threat of body and death. If not reported to the police can eliminate a person's soul.

From the title that I read, it's as if you will be killed today if you don't report, excessive fear, Now try to think Royse777 where and YOSHIE where, do they know each other of course not.

I can only advise both of you, resolve the problem and shake hands, respect each other, Give a good example for other members here, you two are great people here, this dispute can bring shame to yourself.

Perception is a way for someone to recognize, organize and interpret information that is useful to provide an overview and understanding of something in the real environment or online. Perception does not have to be the same because humans were not created to always understand the same thing with the same thought and understanding.

All I know is Royse and YOSHIE are two different people. The strength in the forum is also not the same "Royse DT1 and YOSHIE are DT2. Royse is Legendary and YOSHIE is a senior member. Royse may have broader experience and knowledge in the forum while YOSHIE may not.

About the word "my age is enough to make you unconscious" for me is not like a threat. That is the way he conveys things in his own style. YOSHIE is not an English speaker and it is not a mother tongue but I can understand it when she conveys something and maybe you will be surprised if you know her real age. It could be 10 years, 15, 20, 30, 40 or maybe 387 years.

The problem between you and Yoshie is the previous conflict in one or two comments about one and two things. Of course if you both continue to think about the problem, then you both continue to find fault with each other so that one day the mountain will erupt and issue hot larvae. Do you both expect that ?
The word that YOSHIE said to you is not a threat, you dont need to be afraid and anxious, it is just a play on words because he might want to surprise you when he tells you true age. I think the function of sending messages to other members is still functioning properly, why dont you ask directly what "unconscious"  means via PM ?

I would only be afraid if Yoshie said "would curse me to be a frog". It could be that he is a great wizard or maybe he is just a thick bearded man.  
So calm down, friend, you have to think positive and dont need to be afraid. We are all imperfect humans.

People do get banned for threatening others with violence.

It is to me a probably a threat, I very much doubt the unlikely explanation is that the presentation of his age is such a large number it would render Royce unconscious in the ladies room specifically.

More likely I will knock you out bitch.

These kind of " if I met you in real life I could knock you the fuck out " are probably just part of forum life.

Although they should probably be avoided in future now that the issue has been raised and you have denied that was the intent.



 

Remember the nursery rhyme -

Sticks & stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me

Words on a screen shouldn’t concern you OP, it’s most likely just idle threats. The only time you should fear for your safety is if somebody DOXES you. Chill out & don’t worry.

Literally speaking, how could it be a threat if no one was around to hear it?  

overuse of the world literally is causing climate change!

Going a step further it might have been better for the OP to simply ask for complete clarification in the same thread the alleged threat was made in or just to send a PM asking for an explanation. Starting a thread without taking one of those steps seems somewhat inappropriate and unnecessary in my opinion.

There might be more to this than meets the eye and it might be stemming from the time the OP was (according to some) seen to be keen to want to participate in the BestChange campaign whereas others including myself were highly cautious. I cannot say for certain if comments made around that time are still dragging on but it just might be the reason behind what it going on now: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/doubt-the-possibility-of-a-scam-bestchange-bounty-and-signature-campaign-5217470

I also think YOSHIE did not threaten the OP but what is important is to factor in how the OP felt reading the post and also how if a threat was made it probably would have been more explicit rather than innuendo.

Except this wasn't even close to that, especially given the language difference. For example there are hyperbolic expressions in colloquial English that translated into my native language would sound rude or even threatening ("I'd kill for this very tasty triple chocolate glazed donut that you're eating"). Let's just allow some space for that.

I don't think so either, just based on the wording of that post.  Honestly, I have no idea how to interpret that--but if that was a reply to my question, I wouldn't take it as any sort of threat.  I might be puzzled as to what he meant and might even ask for clarification, but I wouldn't see it as mean-spirited and certainly wouldn't report it.

But that's just me.  Since it's such an odd response and is open to whatever interpretation you give it, I can see how it might be perceived as malicious.  The language barrier on this forum doesn't help matters either.

That's what I was thinking.  If he really wanted to be threatening, I'm sure he could make it clearer.

Honestly though, threats, even when not active, are threats. Claiming that you are strong enough to put someone on the ground has the same effect as a more direct threat.

Imagine you disagree with me and I say "continue and I'll harm you".
Wouldn't be that much further away from "I could harm you if I wanted to".

In the second case, it's just implied that I don't like what you say and that it could happen that you get harmed by my actions if you continue. Both threats pose a threat to free speech and intercourse. I'd rather not have either. No reason to excuse somebody for advocating violence. Albeit not actively.

I am glad to see the accusation withdrawn, there is nothing of substance to add further except I hope the matter ends here.

I'm sorry to everyone here, I'm not discussing it again "I'm wrong and I'm right" about this problem, everything is clear, in judgment, There are some suggestions from my close friends, about this that invites me to the positive things behind all this that is happening.

Honestly I don't like this kind of drama and its essence; "The bullet cannot come out of the weapon if no one presses the trigger. What happens is one positive thing that I can take from this incident, that is that human beings are not perfect sometimes good and sometimes bad.
I can only say that: if lust cannot be controlled and destruction can be obtained, both in the real world or on the internet.

Don't, press the trigger again.

@Royse777
I'm sorry to see you go through this.  I know you've recently been attacked for your points of view, which is unfortunate.  It would be nice if people could be more respectful of one another even when they vehemently disagree.  It seems obvious to me that you prefer to behave as if you were not hidden behind the security and anonymity of the internet, and I respect that.  

If you are going to engage in internet debates, then I suggest you expect some backlash.  Try not to take it so personally, and try to be more resilient when being insulted.  It's not healthy to allow that stuff to bother you, and it's not going to help your situation if you keep making a fuss about being bothered.  In fact, many will take that as a sign of victory, and in some ways it is.  You are granting your opponents the power to aggravate you.  You and you alone can give them that power, and only you can take it away.

Yes you are right and human nature is - when they start conflicting with someone they starts seeing issues with everything they do. I really need to come out from this kind of behavior that drives me crazy and takes my control over from me.

After closely considering the responses here from others and giving a short break to me (of having few fags and some vodka) I would like to withdraw the accusations from YOSHIE to practice the good deeds of the forum and having a wide mind towards everything happens in the community.

I will lock this topic end of the day.

Cheers,

Update
Okay if you had not the bold part then I could create such topics (drama) at least few a week /s

Please, let's not expand the forum drama on scemantics any further! YOSHIE isn't a native English speaker, my guess would be the word he's looking for is "staggering".
And no, I didn't bother to look for context.

At least someone is listening

But he said............. Grow up! I'm really tired of the drama on this forum. Might I suggest a new rule, prohibiting anyone from creating a drama-thread if he didn't first create at least 2 good topics about Bitcoin?
Another good rule would be to prohibit the creation of such a thread without first placing the other person on ignore.

I'm not sure what he's trying to say but I don't think those are threats and especially not death threats, probably just bad English. The use of 'unconscious' here I think he's just meaning something like shock instead. Maybe it's similar to saying something like if you knew my age you would be shocked.

As others have said, I would try to move on unless any other direct threats are made.

What is necessary to discuss here? This seems just to show your conflict to him (YOSHIE). Your title thread doesn't really reflect what YOSHIE said, IMO. If you learn it deeply, it is quite different.


In my view, what YOSHIE said is not a serious threat. What makes you think a serious threat? Word "unconscious"? How he can do it? Does he know you in real life, buddy? If NO, then you have no reason to worry about it.

Anyway, your perception may be different than what YOSHIE means. Maybe YOSHIE stated it only for a joke. Who knows?   So, I suggest you to NOT hastily conclude it!

*Regarding your conflict, I don't want to bother it. But I think it is better to end it because it only presents worthless/unnecessary debate. Both of you are great members, it is very unfortunate to see that conflict. Be mature guys, don't waste your time on unnecessary things.  

That must not be the standard to define a threat. Otherwise, someone can say someone "I will kill you." and later claim argue that I was drunk and it was not intentional.

There is some sort of conflict between them, which I can't be bothered to look into, and both are acting... not in the most mature way. But YOSHIE is hard to understand on a good day so it's really a huge stretch to interpret a vague statement like that as an intentional threat.

Although it can or can not be directed as a threat, YOSHIE seems to be very rude and aggresive on Royse777 on this matter which should not be.
If it was not a threat, why YOSHIE would bother editing his reply now?

I don't see any way this could reasonably be interpreted as a threat. I would suggest you drop this as it will acheive nothing.

Maybe he meant you'll be shocked to unconsciousness when you find out that he's 287 years old

No, he's not literally saying that he will knock you out. Literally would mean that he said "I will knock you out". That would be a threat. What he actually said - I don't see it as a threat, more like bragging, but if you feel it's a threat - report to moderators and let them deal with it.

Good to see a response here bud.

For some reason he started to think I am a girl and he wants to have a piece of me in the ladies room.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53856787

Edited the post after creating this topic so that things look lighter then it was before.

Also

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53856255
Edited this post even further later so that it looks like he is acting dumb.


And then read this:
Yeah I reported it after seeing your response with the link of this topic.

I do not think that YOSHIE threatened you with anything. You should not continue your argument throughout the forum. It's time for everyone to calm down and get a thicker skin, says LoyceV.
Then you will not react like that to some kind of hot word.
Most likely these are translation difficulties, and you all misunderstood.

Hi,
Use "report to moderator" function for more quickly response then create a new topic.

Can I get attention of a mod here please.


There are many more to the contexts which are available here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53856333

Unofficial rule #8 says:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unofficial-list-of-official-bitcointalkorg-rules-guidelines-faq-703657

Cheers,