Topic: Nobody Deserves to Die: Racial Discrimination in Ukrainian Borders (Read 215 times)

We don't know the details in the video shown but maybe that's what happened? I'm watching our own local news and they said they are repatriating our workers out of Ukraine so I'm assuming there are arrangements on where the people would be picked up. If their contract is for Ukraine only then they really can't just cross into Poland since UKR is not an EU member and so not part of the Schengen Agreement.

Maybe that train was really for Ukrainians only and it hasn't been made clear to those Africans and they tried to board it? If they managed to get into Poland they'd also probably have problems there.

Not only Africans but Indians are also having some trouble leaving Ukraine, prompted PM Modi to give a call to Putin in order to navigate how Russian troops will handle the Indians that are trying to get back home. India also happened to abstain from voting to condemn Russia's invasion, certainly not a coincidence.

Anyways, this is Putin's fault for causing the crisis in the first place. I wouldn't think there is racial animus involved here, just a chaotic scene with priority given to Ukrainians first.

Are you familiar with the history of the Soviet Union?

BTW, if Ukrainian officials went to Donbas, caught Russian speakers, and sewed their lips surgically, I would consider this a human rights violation.  Ukrainian citizens can speak whatever language they want.

We don’t have such a regime. Nobody is treating any part of population as slaves. Have you ever lived in Ukraine or all information you have came from TV and “independent” Russian sources? Ukraine tries really hard to be an independent country, in which the word “freedom” means something. Freedom to speak, to move, to live and to choose. At the meantime our neighbour does everything to steal this right from us and make Ukraine a part of this horrible Russian empire. We shout out loud that we don’t want to be involved in this. Can they finally hear us? How many lives does it need to take for them to finally understand what we are saying?

usa pushed for seperations of regions like kurdistan from iraq, for decades if it supported their agenda,

u can't just have a regime in ukraine that treats parts of its population as slaves. ukraine never was run like switzerland it was run like a colonial american state benefiting the bank founders while wiping out the ancient peoples. the bank's founders thought in the meantime that their wealth and power was god given so they never felt bad about the human rights issues in donbass.

imagine switzerland that speaks german italian and french would get couped by german nationalists that then would run a discriminatory regime in switzerland that would slowly wipe out the french and italian speaking swiss.

would that be not considered a human rights violation?

Noboвy forces them to speak Ukrainian in their daily life and interpersonal communication. Ukraine is a multilingual country, and no one is obliged to speak exclusively Ukrainian in absolutely all spheres of life. But there is such a thing as the official state language. And in Ukraine it is the Ukrainian language. A lot of people have lived in my country for decades and make no effort to learn its language. If you want to move to Germany, do you understand that you will need to learn German? How is the situation with Ukraine different?


Should all regions where people refuse to learn the state language be separated and create so-called "independent republics", which have no legitimate status and which another country uses to start a further full-scale war?

why did the people of donbass had to be schelled if ukranians government didn't wanted to inves into its russian eastern parts why not let them break away, why force them to speak ukranian,

14000 people died in donbass, at the same time the west started to run a racist woke ideology president trump was diffamed aways without any proof as a racist, why shouldn't putin invade considering that he saw so much human rights violations in the west?

The core problem of Ukraine is its neighborhood with Russia, which did not go beyond the middle of the 19th century either in convictions, or in social security, or in intellectual development.

I live in Ukraine for my whole life. I easily speak both Ukrainian and Russian. There was never real language problem. This issue is absolutely artificial, fictional and inflated in order to create conflicts within my country. The purpose for which these conflicts were fueled can be seen now that Russia has attacked Ukraine and is trying to bring it back into the worst system the world has ever seen - the Soviet Union.

Without other satellite countries, Russia does not feel its importance and has no reason to declare its greatness, in which, for reasons completely incomprehensible to me, its population still believes.


The core problem of Ukraine is its neighborhood with Russia, which did not go beyond the middle of the 19th century either in convictions, or in social security, or in intellectual development.

Are you using this as a justification for the invasion? By this logic America, China even Russia itself is up for grabs - or any country for that matter.

Putin could not care less about casualties, "nazis", nor anything of the like. This war and the unjustified aggression by a nuclear power to others aims to achieve strategic geopolitical objectives by invading a democratic country that was looking west. All the rest is rhetoric and half-baked justifications. Anyone who has a glimpse at the historical events can find similar cases:

- Bush war in Irak "they have weapons of mass destruction". - truth - "we want your oilfields".
- US and Spain -"they have sunken one of our ships". - truth - "We want Cuba".
- Spain "conquest" of Latin America - "we are going there to convert them to Christianism". - truth - "Me wants gold"
- The invasion of Austria by Hitler - "We need our levensraum, we are the superior race" - truth - "I am Prussian, I need war to feel complete"
- And, in the future China taking Taiwan - "Is part of our territory, this is not a war". - truth - "we want Taiwan"
- US genocide of several Indian native tribes - "The are savages and have attacked us". - truth - "we want their land"
- Julius Caesar conquest of the Gaul - "They have raided our villages" - thruth - "I need money"

And millions of other cases that you would find too inconvenient to remember... or maybe is that you do not have a clue about history.

why did Eu ignore the 13.000 people killed on european soil in the donbaß?

woke infestation?

I think you should call your embassy and ask them to provide help. Bear in mind that EU is officially aiding Ukrainian refugees as they are in the most need, but if you are classified under other categories (e.g. students, other workers,...) it should be your diplomatic services providing engagement and means with the local authorities. You may actually do not have a legal right to cross to Poland without some short of process.

This is not a justification for discrimination as such. Everyone has to be treated humanly and not left to die simply on a compassion basis.


The truth is the truth, you do not define it, it is facts. You are forgetting that what the king says is true only while he remains king. I am sure you feel me bruh.

well if you ignore the Bible you miss what muslims and jews are believing what ultimately leads to human peace,

a single godlike king.

lethal conflict already starts when one person has one chicken egg and the other has none.

religion is important, atheistic and liberal societies are not very regenerative, just compare israel with the west.

So now you are going to use the Bible.  Oh boy, don't get me started about the Bible, lol.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/crazy-shit-bible-says-crazy-shit-christians-say-1367154

Genocide is wrong no matter which book you use it to justify it.

well we will see who defines truth, in ancient bibical religions people that are higher in the human ranking have more divine rights to define "the truth"

i think in ancien jewish society it was very strict and important to believe what the king claimed, what the king claims is always true.

since putin is more like a king than the woke western leadership, its likely that the truth will end up being more like his than the one of them

they leadership are criminals that have to be removed. and put to court,
if people defend their leadership all the time, it gets only worse, human rights abuses will never end.

yeah, I know. It happened the same when the Christians killed new-borns during the Roman Empire and Caligula was forced, against his will, to kill them in the circus. The media did not say anything. I wonder why the press is not saying anything against the obvious racism against the Russian speaking population of Ukraine (nearly half)... they must be part of a secret conspiracy.

Or, who knows...maybe you are simply wrong.

They are defending their country from foreign aggression.

why do they defend the ukranian regime, the army went in to catch them, defending the ukranian regime makes putin think they are all nazis and are not worth to keep alive.

stupid idiots

I think as people try to save themselves from this Putinian carpet bombing, the worst comes out in some people.

I do not think that this is as widespread as the article tries to imply.

You have to understand that this is war, and you might have to wait for days to cross the border. Regardless of what passport you hold.
Poland accepted more than 500K+ refugees in just a few days, regardless of their origin.  Just think about this for a minute before you complain about the wait lines.

You want to be angry, be angry at Putin.  He is responsible for ALL this mess.

why do only africans and asians matter, the entire war was about discrimination and human rights abuses against the eastern ukranians that speak russian and that life there since around 1000 years

the entire western media doesn't said a single word about that

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the core problem with ukraine is their corrupt government

This is probably only surprising for Americans and maybe Western Europeans. Of course they are going to evacuate their own citizens first and then those that are just travelling closer (like the Polish for example). I suppose the Poles were also given priority so they can help prepare their country, which could be next on the chopping block if this war escalate further.

Last I heard in the news, they've already banned male Ukrainians from fleeing the country and are arming them so those other nationalities are probably gonna be able get out now.

Could have used a better system sooner though, like reserve a certain portion of seats (or maybe one coach) for the non-Europeans.

you also get "racially" discriminated in africa, they don't instantly declarey you their king, idiot. these social justice warriors will eternally hunt their tails.

Current videos and news from Ukrainian borders has shown that foreigners, especially Africans are been treated like animals. Reports showed that some Africans have been forced to remain in Ukraine.They are been pushed out of queues and priority were given to Europeans and other “white” nationals.  

African students are left waiting for days to cross in freezing temperatures without food, blankets or shelters. Some were pushed down as they tried to board trains. Ukrainian and Polish citizens were allowed to pass through while foreigners have to go through four stages process that lasted from 14 to 50 hour.

Ukrainians and Poles we know it has not been easy, but nobody deserves to die please.
 
Thank you the people of Moldova and Romania for your non-discriminatory warm welcome.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/more-racism-at-ukrainian-borders