Non-chemical dependencies - Gambling

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Quote from: marlboroza on March 30, 2018, 02:26:03 PM

Also, I would like to ask you how someone can be addicted to work?
People are usually trying to find any kind of get rich over night method to stop working, I have never heard that someone developed working addiction.

Yes, there are plenty of people in the world want to work more for example if you do some research then you will come to know that in Japan people are workaholic.

Some of the big companies are asking people to maintain a work-life balance and asking employees to go home early.

Only people who don't want to work look for easy ways to earn money even though they know that gambling is only for entertainment and not for earning money.

If you are fortunate enough to make your workplace as your passion, then there are natural tendencies for you to get addicted to it. Addiction is a disorder related to the brain, which causes an individual to be attached to something. Rather than a choice, addiction is a disorder which needs to be addressed in the soonest time possible to avoid any further damage.
Going back, gambling causes an individual to be addicted especially when they rely on this method to finance them with their monthly obligations and needs. That is when the problem persists, as they rely on something that is unreliable and risky in nature. When this happens addiction will start to kick-in, causing the the individual to be inclined to it despite having negative implications.

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I find this sort of stuff really interesting to read about. Maybe because I have so many family members that have dealt with addiction.
Always something I have to keep in mind every time that I gamble or do anything that might turn into addiction.

Quote from: boy130 on May 23, 2018, 03:53:58 AM

In reality, all of these amount to a chemical dependency due to the physiological changes that occur in the brain. Certain actions lead to the releases of endorphins, dopamine, serotonin etc that can trigger a pleasure or freedom from stress response. In the end, everything boils down to the neurological reward system, with all of these factors being triggers for reward, or aversion to stress (sometimes caused by lack of reward).

It's also pretty fascinating that in terms of brain chemistry, you don't see a difference in chemicals that are released. Whether you're addicted to a substance or a non-chemical activity like gambling.
I do hope we'll eventually figure out how to combat addiction more effectively, there's some really interesting research going on in that area too.

I've read some promising research, that might be able to completely remove the need for certain substances (also gambling), by magnetic brain stimulation.
Here's an article about that: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/brain-altering-magnetic-pulses-could-zap-cocaine-addiction

Also worth it to look it up on Google Scholar and see the original research.

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In reality, all of these amount to a chemical dependency due to the physiological changes that occur in the brain. Certain actions lead to the releases of endorphins, dopamine, serotonin etc that can trigger a pleasure or freedom from stress response. In the end, everything boils down to the neurological reward system, with all of these factors being triggers for reward, or aversion to stress (sometimes caused by lack of reward).

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One more topic about addiction and gambling! Now people will talk and talk about psychology not about gambling. I already see many comments where people give examples of different kind of nonchemical addiction, about everything and anything except gambling.
Like we didn't pass that million times already, and I always ask myself why anyone who have problems with gambling come to cry about it in gambling section? There are too many similar topics, with many similar comments, I don't think they helps anyone, who have problem with gambling will not visit gambling section as I said.
Maybe administrators needs to consider making sub-topic about gambling problems and addictions, to clear space for us who love to gamble.

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Work addiction? I have another term which is a workaholic person. A person who works hard every day and night. I do not deem it to be addiction. You work because you want to make money through hard work. Easy work will not bring you fortune (That is what hard workers say).

Perhaps some people do work hard because they like it as a hobby like football players in which football has become a job nowadays. Either way, it is up to them to decide whether to organize their time or not.

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I don't think that any of those characteristics apply to me, so I can probably safely say that I'm not addicted? Tongue

And it actually kind of is a chemical dependency, since some of the same chemicals are released in the brain that are also released by drugs.

From a brain-chemistry point of view, addiction has pretty much the same characteristics wether it's drug addiction, sex addiction, gambling addiction, etc.

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I disagree that gambling addiction can be called non-chemical. If you're a true addict, not just think of an action, but being obsessed with it the problem lies deeper, than just in thinking. As you mentioned above, serotonin and adrenaline secretion occurs, and one can become addictive to a certain kind of action due to this secretion. So the effect is the same, the only difference is that you obtain chemicals not from outside, but from inside and tolerance doesn't occur, but the drug withdrawal syndrome takes place.

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Quote from: sirenmoon on March 30, 2018, 09:11:32 AM

Increasing the frequency and intensity of engagement with a particular activity

Which characteristics are characterizing you?

This one.
So, I decreased my gambling activity to minimum and increased my sex activity.
And my addy looks much better.

Quote from: sirenmoon on March 30, 2018, 09:11:32 AM

gambling addiction, internet addiction, food addiction, shopping, sex, work, video games, etc.

Also, I would like to ask you how someone can be addicted to work?
People are usually trying to find any kind of get rich over night method to stop working, I have never heard that someone developed working addiction.

People can get addicted to anything, as long as they get that rush in their brain when they are doing that activity they can get addicted to it, there are people that get addicted to exercise, there are those that are addicted to do dangerous stuff, we call them adrenaline junkies, so if someone gets that kind of rush with their job then they can get addicted to it, as unlikely as that may seem.

That disorder inside our brain where we keep wanting to do things repeatedly and it seems that we can't get it out of our system, it's addiction in any how and in any way. Our brain engaged too much with something that we wanted to keep doing it from time to time. The balance isn't correct anymore, and we are just doing it because our system is looking for it. We are not aware of the consequences anymore that even though it may seem to be getting out of hand, still our body and mind are craving for it. It may be good at the beginning, but as we all know too much of anything is bad, and it is called addiction or dependency that we can no longer remove it from our system.

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Quote from: marlboroza on March 30, 2018, 02:26:03 PM

Quote from: sirenmoon on March 30, 2018, 09:11:32 AM

Increasing the frequency and intensity of engagement with a particular activity

Which characteristics are characterizing you?

This one.
So, I decreased my gambling activity to minimum and increased my sex activity.
And my addy looks much better.

Quote from: sirenmoon on March 30, 2018, 09:11:32 AM

gambling addiction, internet addiction, food addiction, shopping, sex, work, video games, etc.

Also, I would like to ask you how someone can be addicted to work?
People are usually trying to find any kind of get rich over night method to stop working, I have never heard that someone developed working addiction.

People can get addicted to anything, as long as they get that rush in their brain when they are doing that activity they can get addicted to it, there are people that get addicted to exercise, there are those that are addicted to do dangerous stuff, we call them adrenaline junkies, so if someone gets that kind of rush with their job then they can get addicted to it, as unlikely as that may seem.

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Quote from: BillCoin on March 31, 2018, 05:34:11 AM

Quote from: Patatas on March 30, 2018, 02:36:15 PM

What do you wish to conclude by taking other discrepancies into consideration ? Whatever you mentioned is absolutely correct but in the wider sense,it is just not scientific but also psychological. The segregation of those chemicals not necessarily has to be similar for all the samples.For some it could an addiction or for others just adrenaline rush.

Psychological could be count as scientific, because when a research shows the same results over and over again, even if it's based to psychological reasons, it is still could be considered as a scientific because it's something that has been proven to be right and is not based on opinions.

That's one of the reasons I stopped with gambling, I felt like I am not enough psychological strong to handle with the preasure that gambling brought to my life.

Gambling addicts will do all sorts of ways to fulfill their desire to gamble. Many gambling addicts then take action that never before thought, such as stealing, owing, or selling valuables.

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Quote from: marlboroza on March 30, 2018, 02:26:03 PM

Also, I would like to ask you how someone can be addicted to work?
People are usually trying to find any kind of get rich over night method to stop working, I have never heard that someone developed working addiction.

Yes, there are plenty of people in the world want to work more for example if you do some research then you will come to know that in Japan people are workaholic.

Some of the big companies are asking people to maintain a work-life balance and asking employees to go home early.

Only people who don't want to work look for easy ways to earn money even though they know that gambling is only for entertainment and not for earning money.

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Nothing from the above because I do recreational gambling. Why do you think everyone who gambles is some kind of a dead-beat gambling addict lol? Some people have addictive personalities and can't control themselves.

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Quote from: jvdp on March 31, 2018, 08:22:12 AM

Quote from: BillCoin on March 31, 2018, 05:34:11 AM

Quote from: Patatas on March 30, 2018, 02:36:15 PM

What do you wish to conclude by taking other discrepancies into consideration ? Whatever you mentioned is absolutely correct but in the wider sense,it is just not scientific but also psychological. The segregation of those chemicals not necessarily has to be similar for all the samples.For some it could an addiction or for others just adrenaline rush.

Psychological could be count as scientific, because when a research shows the same results over and over again, even if it's based to psychological reasons, it is still could be considered as a scientific because it's something that has been proven to be right and is not based on opinions.

That's one of the reasons I stopped with gambling, I felt like I am not enough psychological strong to handle with the preasure that gambling brought to my life.

There is report from US university states that gamers are able to think more than a normal person who is doing the same. Everything done gamers would exponential better. I am not sure whether the gamblers are getting health and mental issue because of gambling.

When the gamers and gamblers are ruling the mining field and other options in gambling field. I am not sure how it is possible for the gambling investors would get these issues as mentioned. Sex problem mentioned is too much I believe.

I have seen a study of how addiction affects the brain functions of a person addicted to video games. They have synapses firing in different parts of the brain than a normal person would. It was fascinating to watch.
I just wonder how the brain of a gambler would fair up against a person who is battling against video game addiction.
It would all depend on what it does to the reward centers of the brain from what I could figure out.

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Quote from: ralle14 on March 30, 2018, 08:41:06 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on March 30, 2018, 02:26:03 PM

Quote from: sirenmoon on March 30, 2018, 09:11:32 AM

gambling addiction, internet addiction, food addiction, shopping, sex, work, video games, etc.

Also, I would like to ask you how someone can be addicted to work?
People are usually trying to find any kind of get rich over night method to stop working, I have never heard that someone developed working addiction.

There are things that you can recognize when someones addicted to working same with other addictions like putting more time in to that certain addiction it's not healthy anymore and that could start affecting the person's lifestyle (mentioned in the OP).

Quote from: sirenmoon on March 30, 2018, 09:11:32 AM

Continuous performance of certain activities, despite the awareness of their negative consequences.

From the list, this is what characterizes me I know the risks about gambling yet I still do it. I'm not risking all of my money though just some spare funds that i'm capable of losing.

Of all the things being putted to much time on it then it would really be considered as an addiction and I do already read or heard up about being too workaholic.For a human being we do really need to work for us to sustain our life and to survive which would really need to earn money.We should really have a balance allocated time on all sort of things.

Even me is already aware on the risk involve on gambling but I cant really resist on playing but even though I can able to handle myself when I do see I have played too much.

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I am really not a saint but I tend not to fall into any of the characteristics stated there. Yes, I have been addicated to gambling before (I believe every new gamblers started out like that) not that I had any psychological disorder because of it but then I felt if I haven't played, I won't be complete. But now, all that is gone and its because I learned to manage my gambling activities with my normal life.

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Quote from: BillCoin on March 31, 2018, 05:34:11 AM

Quote from: Patatas on March 30, 2018, 02:36:15 PM

What do you wish to conclude by taking other discrepancies into consideration ? Whatever you mentioned is absolutely correct but in the wider sense,it is just not scientific but also psychological. The segregation of those chemicals not necessarily has to be similar for all the samples.For some it could an addiction or for others just adrenaline rush.

Psychological could be count as scientific, because when a research shows the same results over and over again, even if it's based to psychological reasons, it is still could be considered as a scientific because it's something that has been proven to be right and is not based on opinions.

That's one of the reasons I stopped with gambling, I felt like I am not enough psychological strong to handle with the preasure that gambling brought to my life.

Indeed, the science of psychology bears a lot of evidence which we use today in the treatment of gambling addiction. It's most difficult to study this in yourself, of course, with an inescapable bias against admitting your own vulnerabilities. I used to tell myself my addictions were easily controllable and I'd try prove it by imposing strict cold-turkey periods on myself. But that rush I get when I finally return to my habits - gambling included - makes me wonder if I'm not more of an addict than I'd like to admit.

A few characteristics describe me, but probably this the most:
The occurrence of abstinence syndrome (a set of unpleasant physical and psychological symptoms such as restlessness, irritation, insomnia, headache, loss of appetite) after cessation of activity from which addiction has been created.

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Quote from: BillCoin on March 31, 2018, 05:34:11 AM

Quote from: Patatas on March 30, 2018, 02:36:15 PM

What do you wish to conclude by taking other discrepancies into consideration ? Whatever you mentioned is absolutely correct but in the wider sense,it is just not scientific but also psychological. The segregation of those chemicals not necessarily has to be similar for all the samples.For some it could an addiction or for others just adrenaline rush.

Psychological could be count as scientific, because when a research shows the same results over and over again, even if it's based to psychological reasons, it is still could be considered as a scientific because it's something that has been proven to be right and is not based on opinions.

That's one of the reasons I stopped with gambling, I felt like I am not enough psychological strong to handle with the preasure that gambling brought to my life.

There is report from US university states that gamers are able to think more than a normal person who is doing the same. Everything done gamers would exponential better. I am not sure whether the gamblers are getting health and mental issue because of gambling.

When the gamers and gamblers are ruling the mining field and other options in gambling field. I am not sure how it is possible for the gambling investors would get these issues as mentioned. Sex problem mentioned is too much I believe.

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Quote from: Patatas on March 30, 2018, 02:36:15 PM

What do you wish to conclude by taking other discrepancies into consideration ? Whatever you mentioned is absolutely correct but in the wider sense,it is just not scientific but also psychological. The segregation of those chemicals not necessarily has to be similar for all the samples.For some it could an addiction or for others just adrenaline rush.

Psychological could be count as scientific, because when a research shows the same results over and over again, even if it's based to psychological reasons, it is still could be considered as a scientific because it's something that has been proven to be right and is not based on opinions.

That's one of the reasons I stopped with gambling, I felt like I am not enough psychological strong to handle with the preasure that gambling brought to my life.

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Quote from: ralle14 on March 30, 2018, 08:41:06 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on March 30, 2018, 02:26:03 PM

Quote from: sirenmoon on March 30, 2018, 09:11:32 AM

gambling addiction, internet addiction, food addiction, shopping, sex, work, video games, etc.

Also, I would like to ask you how someone can be addicted to work?
People are usually trying to find any kind of get rich over night method to stop working, I have never heard that someone developed working addiction.

There are things that you can recognize when someones addicted to working same with other addictions like putting more time in to that certain addiction it's not healthy anymore and that could start affecting the person's lifestyle (mentioned in the OP).

Quote from: sirenmoon on March 30, 2018, 09:11:32 AM

Continuous performance of certain activities, despite the awareness of their negative consequences.

From the list, this is what characterizes me I know the risks about gambling yet I still do it. I'm not risking all of my money though just some spare funds that i'm capable of losing.

from all of this, I doing the same like you and I only spend small money to play gambling. maybe people can found one way to get rich overnight but it depends on what he's doing and how he does that thing. and if somehow that person becomes addicting in his work, maybe he needs to take a rest for a while and think about his health because this is the most important things that we should have.

I think many other like us which is not spend a big money in gambling but we only want to enjoy the games with our friends so we still playing gambling until now and we don't want to stop it right now. but soon, after something else happens to us, we will decide to stop from gambling and leave gambling forever.

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None of those you describe. I am quite a rational gambler.

I like this way of dealing with gambling than calling it a “disease”, as in this post:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/is-gambling-addiction-a-disease-1610426

I don’t agree with calling gambling or drug addictions and other such addiction diseases because it seems you had nothing to do with the disease and it came to you. I think it is the opposite way, a behavioral disorder, where your behavior makes your brain to secrete dopamine, serotonin, etc. which make you feel better from your previous psychological problems. That’s why you keep repeating the patter even though you know it is harming you.

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Quote from: marlboroza on March 30, 2018, 02:26:03 PM

Quote from: sirenmoon on March 30, 2018, 09:11:32 AM

gambling addiction, internet addiction, food addiction, shopping, sex, work, video games, etc.

Also, I would like to ask you how someone can be addicted to work?
People are usually trying to find any kind of get rich over night method to stop working, I have never heard that someone developed working addiction.

There are things that you can recognize when someones addicted to working same with other addictions like putting more time in to that certain addiction it's not healthy anymore and that could start affecting the person's lifestyle (mentioned in the OP).

Quote from: sirenmoon on March 30, 2018, 09:11:32 AM

Continuous performance of certain activities, despite the awareness of their negative consequences.

From the list, this is what characterizes me I know the risks about gambling yet I still do it. I'm not risking all of my money though just some spare funds that i'm capable of losing.

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What do you wish to conclude by taking other discrepancies into consideration ? Whatever you mentioned is absolutely correct but in the wider sense,it is just not scientific but also psychological. The segregation of those chemicals not necessarily has to be similar for all the samples.For some it could an addiction or for others just adrenaline rush.

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Quote from: sirenmoon on March 30, 2018, 09:11:32 AM

Increasing the frequency and intensity of engagement with a particular activity

Which characteristics are characterizing you?

This one.
So, I decreased my gambling activity to minimum and increased my sex activity.
And my addy looks much better.

Quote from: sirenmoon on March 30, 2018, 09:11:32 AM

gambling addiction, internet addiction, food addiction, shopping, sex, work, video games, etc.

Also, I would like to ask you how someone can be addicted to work?
People are usually trying to find any kind of get rich over night method to stop working, I have never heard that someone developed working addiction.

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Dependence is a behavioral disorder that manifests itself through the inadequate satisfaction of human needs and can be created by any action that creates the desired effect, is constantly repeated and becomes a goal for itself. When performing the activity which is causing the addiction, serotonin and adrenaline secretion in the brain are increasing, which further leads to a change in mood and emotional state. If a particular activity is performed often, that leads to the increased tolerance, apropos the need of the organism to increase the intensity and duration of the activity, in order to achieve the desired effect.

Non-chemical addiction does not involve the input of a substance into the body and can occur in a variety of forms, such as
gambling addiction, internet addiction, food addiction, shopping, sex, work, video games, etc.

All dependencies have the following characteristics:
(I am mainly pointing toward the gambling addiction in this thread)

Execution of a specific activity that led to the dependence which has been created over a long period of time or longer than planned.

The existence of a constant desire and the need for a certain action to be performed.

One or more attempts to make certain behavior from which the addiction is created to be stopped, reduced or controlled.

Conducting more and more time in carrying out certain activities, planning or recovering from the consequences of the same.

Preoccupation with the action from which the addiction was created and the preparations for its execution.

Ignoring of the other obligations such as work, school, or family.

Isolation from family and friends, in order for the activity to be done without their knowledge about it.

Continuous performance of certain activities, despite the awareness of their negative consequences.

Increasing the frequency and intensity of engagement with a particular activity, in order to achieve the same effect.

The occurrence of abstinence syndrome (a set of unpleasant physical and psychological symptoms such as restlessness, irritation, insomnia, headache, loss of appetite) after cessation of activity from which addiction has been created.

My question is -
Which characteristics are characterizing you?

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