Topic: North Carolina Revises HB2 After Fallout (Read 619 times)

So we have not even a full percentage of the population that may or may not use a costly third bathroom; thats just great stuff! The idea that people will not notice is a joke, the trans I have ran into in a males bathroom have always been obviously male. The spectrum of what a transgender is is to wide and honestly feels like trolling gonna muck in real life.
Listened to I think a radiolab podcast where the guy would enter a shower feeling like a man and exit feeling like a women. His wife tried but could not handle the madness. Instead of rights that effect the masses they should do some cat scans and see if this is not a brain wiring issue.

Is it more important to prevent the hurt feelings of one person than to disturb the comfort and possibly safety of dozens of others. One person must be made to feel comfortable in a locker room or bathroom, even if none of his/her peers in the same locker room do.

As the article pointed out how does the issue differentiate from man-splaining when looked at through a more objective lens.

How else could one describe a man who declares dozens of young women uncomfortable with changing their clothes with a biological man in the room to be ignorant and bigoted?

When on one hand we talk about rape culture spreading on the other hand we tell women to suck up to the idea of transsexuals using the same washroom for the sake of political correctness.

The issue imposes on the comfort zone of others, and if Americans aren’t comfortable with biological males in their daughters’ locker rooms, it behooves us to call a spade a spade—or, in this case, call a boy a boy.

To support my rape point here is a detailed article on the issue of retraumatization for rape surviours.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/23/a-rape-survivor-speaks-out-about-transgender-bathrooms/

... (Beginning and end were elipsed for length purposes if you want to read her personal story the link provides full context)

While some have proposed a third option for transgender people (single-occupancy restrooms and showers), this option has been largely struck down, and employees are prohibited from suggesting it, as it is considered discriminatory and emotionally damaging to a group of people who are working so hard to fit in. The solution? Anyone can use whatever restroom he or she wants without being questioned.

Victimizers Use Any Opening They Can Find

I read these reports, and my heart starts to race. They can’t be serious. Let me be clear: I am not saying that transgender people are predators. Not by a long shot. What I am saying is that there are countless deviant men in this world who will pretend to be transgender as a means of gaining access to the people they want to exploit, namely women and children. It already happens. Just Google Jason Pomares, Norwood Smith Burnes, or Taylor Buehler, for starters.
While I feel a deep sense of empathy for what must be a very difficult situation for transgender people, at the beginning and end of the day, it is nothing short of negligent to instate policies that elevate the emotional comfort of a relative few over the physical safety of a large group of vulnerable people.

Don’t they know anything about predators? Don’t they know the numbers? That out of every 100 rapes, only two rapists will spend so much as single day in jail while the other 98 walk free and hang out in our midst? Don’t they know that predators are known to intentionally seek out places where many of their preferred targets gather in groups? That perpetrators are addicts so committed to their fantasies they’ll stop at nothing to achieve them?

Do they know that more than 99 percent of single-victim incidents are committed by males? That they are experts in rationalization who minimize their number of victims? Don’t they know that insurance companies highlight locker rooms as a high-risk area for abuse that should be carefully monitored and protected?

Don’t they know that one out of every four little girls will be sexually abused during childhood, and that’s without giving predators free access to them while they shower? Don’t they know that, for women who have experienced sexual trauma, finding the courage to use a locker room at all is a freaking badge of honor? That many of these women view life through a kaleidoscope of shame and suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, dissociation, poor body image, eating disorders, drug and alcohol abuse, difficulty with intimacy, and worse?

Why would people knowingly invite further exploitation by creating policies with no safeguards in place to protect them from injury? With zero screening options to ensure that biological males who enter locker rooms actually identify as female, how could a woman be sure the person staring at her wasn’t exploiting her? Why is it okay to make her wonder?

What About Women’s and Children’s Rights?

“Wake up!” I want to scream. “Can’t you see what’s going on? Do something about it!”

Despite the many reports of sexual abuse and assault that exist in our world, there’s an even larger number of victims who never tell about it. The reason? They’re afraid no one will believe them. Even worse, they’re terrified of a reality they already innately know to be true: even if people did know, they wouldn’t do anything to help. They’re not worth protecting. Even silence feels better than that.

There’s no way to make everyone happy in the situation of transgender locker room use. So the priority ought to be finding a way to keep everyone safe. I’d much rather risk hurting a smaller number of people’s feelings by asking transgender people to use a single-occupancy restroom that still offers safety than risk jeopardizing the safety of thousands of women and kids with a policy that gives would-be predators a free pass.

Is it ironic to no one that being “progressive” actually sets women’s lib back about a century? What of my right to do my darndest to insist that the first time my daughter sees the adult male form it will be because she’s chosen it, not because it’s forced upon her? What of our emotional and physical rights? Unless and until you’ve lined a bathroom door with a towel for protection, you can’t tell me the risk isn’t there.

For me, healing looks like staring at the little girl in a Polaroid photo and validating her need to be seen, heard, and protected instead of hating it. It looks like telling my story, even the parts I can never make pretty, in hopes it will help break the anonymity of survivors and create a sense of responsibility in others to act.

Don’t Let Innocents Get Hurt Before You Rethink This

I still battle my powerlessness to do anything that feels substantial to affect change, but the good Lord didn’t bring me out of Egypt and set my feet upon a rock so I could stand idly by in the face of danger. So even if a little article or Facebook post doesn’t ultimately change the world, it’s better than silent resignation to negligence and harm. I feel a sense of urgency to invite people to consider the not-so-hidden dangers of these policies before more and more of them get cemented into place. Once that happens, the only way they’ll change is when innocent people get hurt.

Even if there aren’t hundreds of abusers rushing into locker rooms by the dozens, the question I keep asking myself is, “What if just one little girl gets hurt by this? Would that be enough to make people reconsider it?”

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For people interested in those examples she mentioned:
Jason Pomares
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Secret-Recording-Store-Mall-Antelope-Valley-Palmdale-Restroom-207541101.html
Norwood Smith Burnes
http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/rome/news/rome-man-arrested-in-women-s-bathroom-at-calhoun-walmart/article_a2883b5e-f6eb-5db0-a240-2431ac0f8081.html
Taylor Buehler
http://komonews.com/archive/police-man-in-bra-and-wig-found-in-womens-bathroom

Some trans people feel strongly enough about seperate bathrooms that they won't settle for a third one.  I think we should be punishing based on actually doing something wrong instead of just being in there.  Not like a girl that likes girls couldn't also creep.

How exactly is a transgirl getting in and out of the bathroom going to hurt someone?  Legal or not, you know everyone would have an eye peeled anyway when one goes in so hardly any opportunity...

You read about the incident in Missouri, right? The Tranny refused to use another bathroom which was designed especially for him, and insisted on using the ladies' washroom. Now how this is related to "being able to pee safely"?.  

And regarding the second part. A male going to the ladies' washroom is going to hurt a lot of females. It doesn't matter whether the male feels like a human, or he feels like he is a camel.

That's a fair enough point cooldgamer but the question in this article was the person already had a third changeroom that they could access and use.
The crux of the issue is that this is not a black and white case the individual was pushing forward with an agenda that puts forward their own personal liberties at the expense of everyone else and their comfort zone.

Basically they said that my concerns trump your own, it does not matter if women and or children feel uncomfortable I am changing my clothing in the same room it is my right even if alternatives are available.

Now you done right confused the discussion with this hallucination stuff. If the effect was to pass as the other sex than you where born,this does not seem to be the case for all transgenders. Some like to live in the gray,dressing as a women with a beard. It feels
like people living out the exact same issue as putting a camera in front of people and they act nuts. This feels like a attention grabber at least and at worst a mental health issue. Not sure why it has twisted free from that classification and is now a segment of a movement.

1: we don't support either of those, we just want to be able to pee safely.  Going to the bathroom doesn't hurt anybody.

2: You're not really solving anything with the bathroom bill.  A predator could say they are biologically a female to get in the girls room.


Its pretty hard to lead a normal life with hallucinations, you can switch over to the other gender pretty easy.  Intentionally misgendering somebody is just making them feel like shit and worsening their mental state.  Intentionally worsening somebody's depression is a dick thing to do.

In the end we'll pass as our desired gender and you won't have a choice to call us by the right one, though, since you won't have any idea

Was flipping through I think it was New York times and saw a segment called ethics and a guy responds to people about different issues. One article was a transgender out with his wife being offended because the waitress said "How are you ladies today"! He was dressed as a female and took offense to being labelled in a sexual way. Now this got me really confused because this means they have set it up so that you can not ever win a discussion. If you see them as a male you are wrong,if you see them as a female you are wrong and I am sure if you do not define them they will force you to in one way or another so they can tear into you. This screams mental illness to me and I am not going to get on any bandwagon that supports this anymore.
Every issue they bring up is for the worse,like children having sex changes early on in life because they wore a dress once. These celebrities and companies are far to eager to pander to this issue and I can not figure out why,they are such a minute segment to throw all are rules out the window.

What could the agenda be besides being Politically Correct and stirring a divide. Seems like one of those stupid issues to grate and mislead people.

This is insane. The LGBT radicals are destroying the society by supporting these sort of perversities. They are directly supporting rapists and sexual predators. What next? Some pedophile will claim that he "feels like a little girl" and will demand that he will be allowed to touch five-year old girls. Both the US and the EU is approaching moral bankruptcy.

I say they should push through with that bill and bunker down on the bathroom component being bullied to follow a viewpoint economically is still a form of tyranny although people can always speak with their wallets a law still needs to be respected especially when it has valid points. This is an interesting article from the Federalist on the issue of womens bathrooms to support my statement.

Is it fair to have one person feel included when their is a third bathroom designed for them at the cost of 150 women feeling uncomfortable in their stead.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/03/man-splaining-is-no-excuse-for-invading-girls-locker-rooms/#disqus_thread

One hundred and fifty students at a high school in Missouri are braver than I am. Up until now, I have not really shared how politically incorrect I am: I refuse to use pronouns of someone’s choosing. If a man was born a man, I will call him “he” and vice versa for a woman.

While I’ve been told I should use a pronoun of one’s choosing out of respect and kindness, I decline to do so because I refuse to play along with the delusion. We don’t play along with the delusions of schizophrenics, and I won’t play along with the notion that someone with a penis is somehow a woman. It’s usually the same folks who scream about (the complicated) science on global warming also asking the rest of us to ignore basic human biology. The times, they may be a changin’, but I refuse to go along with the tide. The situation in Missouri is why.

Then one of their classmates declared himself a woman and demanded access to the girl’s locker room, they balked and they walked, staging a protest outside the school.

Lila Perry, the transgender teen, refused to get changed in a third locker room, instead insisting that he be allowed to undress and be witness to the undressing of individuals of the opposite biological sex. Perry told a local news station at a counter-protest, “There’s a lot of ignorance. They are claiming that they’re uncomfortable. I don’t believe for a second that they are. I think this is pure and simple bigotry.” I’m fairly certain this kind of response isn’t in “How to Make Friends and Influence People.”

Shut Up and Undress, Ladies

In a world filled with far more ideological consistency than ours, Perry would be, rightfully, accused of “man-splaining.” How else could one describe a man who declares dozens of young women uncomfortable with changing their clothes with a biological man in the room to be ignorant and bigoted? A young man can wear a wig and a skirt, apply some makeup, and declare himself a “she,” but he cannot for a moment understand the gut feelings that women are born with. The naked body might be on display across our media, and a young man might not understand how young women would be uncomfortable getting changed in front of him, but other young women surely do.

The first lesson women learn in self-defense classes is this: “Trust your intuition. Your most valuable resource is your instincts.” Now the Left is telling young women in the beginning of their journey to womanhood, when they are just learning strategies to keep themselves safe and when they are most vulnerable, to ignore their guts for the sake of political correctness. They are on one hand telling us there is nothing less than a rape epidemic on America’s campuses, and on the other telling women about to move onto those campuses that their gut feelings of danger are “transphobic” and should be ignored.

It is apparently more important to prevent the hurt feelings of one student of the school than to disturb the comfort and possibly safety of dozens of others. One student must be made to feel comfortable in a locker room, even if none of his peers in the same locker room do.

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On gay marriage, RedState’s Erick Erickson has famously said, “You will be made to care.” There are a number of bakeries and photographers who can attest that they have, indeed, been made to care. We are told, “Don’t like gay marriage? Don’t have one!” We are told the same on transgender issues. It didn’t even take a year from when the first transgender individual was featured on the cover of Time magazine and the first celebrity transition for our kid’s locker rooms to be invaded by those demanding tolerance—but only on their terms.

The parents of the girls in that locker room have already been made to care. As with the gay-marriage debate, we have seen that any dissent is automatically deemed bigotry. I thought, as Howard Zinn says, dissent was the highest form of patriotism? The tide has already turned on that front, but if Americans aren’t comfortable with biological males in their daughters’ locker rooms, it behooves us to call a spade a spade—or, in this case, call a boy a boy.

Issue aside I hate popstars using their clout to push agenda. Why would they back down now? Damage has already been done and they must have expected some blow back when they passed the bill to begin with.

Just about a week after North Carolina passed HB2, fallout from businesses and residents alike have gotten the state to revise the bill.  While the 'bathroom bill' portion of it is still in effect, gender identity and sexual orientation have been added to the state's equal employment policy.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-carolina-softens-anti-transgender-law-215259454.html