Topic: notblox1 vs AB de Royse777 controversy discussion thread (Read 902 times)

Maybe because he is asking for those who has had previous dealings with the user in question and most of those will be on this forum. He never exactly stated what the issue was either, so you're speculating on that and creating your own scenarios.

All of these speculations is creating more controversy than the initial thread did.

Why is he asking that question on Bitcointalk when he should have questioned the same on Altcoinstalk. I mean if the issue was on the other forum why bring it here where it never happened. If he is not happy with the BM for a campaign on a different forum, is he right in bringing the issue on this forum where it never happened. This is kind of stupidity for me as it is not something which should be discussed here.

I also saw this topic, but since I had no misunderstandings with Royce, I just passed by.
But if you are talking about checking the answers that were written on that topic that do not correspond to notblox1's request, then in my opinion, notblox1 left only those that can clarify.
Why would he write how to act? Why would he write regrets about something that people do not know? Why would he ask him a question with a question or teach him anything?
A blind or stupid person will not understand that the answers were given based on quota.
Just read all the answers. There are not many of them.
There is one that comes to the easy view that a person sees self-moderation and accepts the future of his post as a normal reality.

https://ninjastic.space/post/64518888

This is, in principle, probably how one should react to all such self-modifying topics.

To the best of my knowledge, notblox1 isn't asking for personal information, the information he seeks is from other users who have had similar experiences with Royse as him, and to put/quote it in his own words: "damaged by Royse?". I don't think that falls under personal information. It's not like he was asking for who has info on where Royse lives or if he owns a dog or a cat.

I think it's better to specify what posts count as off topic and have a higher chance of getting deleted. A thread being self moderated already suggests that any post can get deleted, but local rules help guide any replies made there.

I do agree that if everyone with no real interest ignored that thread there will be no drama and we maybe will not have had a separate topic either.

Neither of those is a real problem. The intent of the thread was given, i.e. to solicit information about potential issues with Royse. Some users choosing to speculate isn't notblox1's responsibility but if they really really want to do it... they can do what Poker Player did and start a separate thread, or obviously now just use this one. And the thread being self-moderated kinda already implies that the OP is likely to delete off topic posts. Would have been nice to have it stated explicitly but it's seems pointless to overreact to deleted posts the way some users did here. It's not like the OP is hiding a scam or something.

I saw the thread, shrugged ("more Royse drama"), didn't have anything to contribute of what the OP asked, and moved past it. Everyone here should try that, it's really easy. I love a good drama... in its appropriate time and place and that thread very obviously ain't it.

Edit: gremmar and spellign.

Admins on both forums cannot really help in this case. It doesn't fall under any of both forum rules so can only be settled between both users using the fine print of the contest that is speculated to be the cause of the issue.

The two problems I notice here are;
• nothlox1 did not give any reason for his initial thread, which means users are sure to speculate and draw conspiracy theories, and
• The exact local rules of the self moderated thread were not set. You reserve the rights to delete ANY post in a thread you're moderating, but it's ethical to set the rules so users know what is guiding conversations there.

If you think that, what are you doing contributing to keep the thread alive?

I don't intend to keep it alive forever, though, as I think the issue is clear, and that people who were censored in the other thread have been able to express themselves here. Surely in a couple of days I'll lock it.

Hi LoyceV, sorry for the late reply. I have been so busy today.

I did not give notblox1 any feedback until he continued to delete other people's posts. The neutral trust is about people should avoid posting in its self moderated thread.

See how long the thread is: https://ninjastic.space/topic/5508851.0
See the remaining posts: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5508851

I can learn from there that notblox1 is very self-centered and does not know how to handle matters. He continued to surprise me and lied. He can turn truth to lies as he did not give what actually happened on his neutral trust against me. But which I am not bothered about as I know him already.


See his neutral trust against me because I gave him a neutral trust:


I am not concerned about the neutral trust but is that not a lie? I was not the only person that he deleted his posts but he gave only me the neutral trust . He gave the neutral trust because of another reason. Anyone that wants to make deals with someone like notblox1 should be very careful. I do not think someone like him knows the appropriate way to handle matters because he may not tell the truth about what actually happened.

Some people may be thinking I am having grudge against him. No I am not having anything against him than his poor moral standard of handling matter which should be corrected. I will delete the neutral trust as some of you against it. Also that almost everyone have seen it not to post on his thread.

About people that are on his side, they are not doing him any good. I expected what he did from untrustworthy user on this forum.

Also I do not expect anyone to send him any personal messages. If anyone feels cheated by any member on this forum, the person can create a thread about it on the reputation board.

I agree with you. Royse’s reputation could be at stake if he makes rash comments and blows the issue out of proportion. Given his standing as a well-known campaign manager in the forum, potential advertisers and project owners will likely consider his reputation before working with him. This is a minor issue that doesn’t need escalation, and perhaps the thread shouldn’t have been made in the first place. It’s best to let it die down quietly.

The problem here is that a thread was created on Bitcointalk for an issue on Altcoinstalk. The admin of Altcoinstalk is pretty active on the chat box that appears on the homepage. If he has an issue of not getting paid for his review he should take this issue on Altcoinstalk and inform the admin. I do not understand why he is trying to create a rift here on Bitcointalk.

I do not see any rules that say we can discuss issues about different forums on Bitcointalk. If we keep discussing it here then the next topic will appear in some other forum where a user did not get paid by BM of BTT. I think it is stupidity at its best considering both parties involved here have a decent reputation.

I’m not taking side on both user but @Notblox1 thread was dedicated for different purpose and not for discussion about his issue against Royse777. There’s nothing to be discussed on that thread and creating this thread is the best solution if people want to chime in on the issue.

@Notblox1, Just lock your thread and bump regularly if you want to make it visible since you are asking communication via PM instead of deleting users post that creates chaos.

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There’s no written rule about self-moderation thread because it’s always based on OP discretion on what post to delete or not since he is the one who created it.

I have read the thread in the other forum, and there's clearly "reserve the right" regarding payments. If he didn't deem notblox1's review worthy of payment, then it's the manager's right not to pay it.

Notblox1's action of creating a thread with a self-moderation option is definitely a way to silence different POVs from different members. It's highly discouraged, no matter how you look at it.

There's replies in the thread on altcoinstalks, but as far as here I wouldn't waste my time if I was Royse. Nothing to be gained from a reply as there really isn't much of a case as far as scam goes.

So this is really happening? I haven’t seen any thread or reply from AB de Royse777 about this, or maybe I just haven’t explored it enough. Hopefully, even if there’s some misunderstanding, we should all stay civil and objective. No need to throw personal stuff or dig up dirt. Just stick to the topic. The community’s here to help if there’s a chance to solve the issue. Personally, I’m just observing since I don’t know the whole story, but between the two, I know AB de Royse777 better since he manages a lot of campaigns, and so far, I haven’t seen any complaints against him- this might be the first, correct me if I’m wrong.

I checked my post archive, and it looks like unnecessary censorship.

Agreed. Reading the posts, it turns out to be about a review campaign on "altcointalk".

I won't post in the censored topic, but I don't like that he's asking for personal information:

Everyone knows posts can be deleted from a self-moderated thread. It looks like a grudge now, to leave a (neutral) tag because your post got deleted. This belongs in your diary: "someone on the internet was mean to me".

I've just edited the title to one that seems more appropriate if there is to be ongoing discussion.

Exactly. If a legendary member and who is well known, well behaved and has good discussion habit create a self moderated thread, then reputable members will also make comments either against and support. Because when you create a thread, it is not expected that everyone will only talk the good side of the starter but also his or her fault. And I don't think it is good to delete comments because the comment doesn't aligned with the Op. And if he does then when will that Op learn and know his fault? Nobody is always right. And when an Op deletes comments from a self moderated thread because of unfavorable comments then that is bad. Op in those threads should only delete out of point comments and comments that doesn't follow the thread discussion and not comments that inline with discussion of the thread and if he does that then the thread became bias and it is bad for the forum.

Just to point out this is because off topic posts aren't moderated by mods over there, self-moderated topics are possible but only with the user subscribed to specific membership groups. So for bounty managers and official/verified accounts this isn't a problem as self-moderated option comes with the membership, but for "regular" users this is very expensive to put it simply.

So it's not not that notblox1 couldn't do anything about it, it's that they didn't want to pay 1.1 ETH for the privilege for moderate their own topic, was much cheaper to come here 

It's just like that. If you only want PMs sent to you, you open the thread, you lock it and if you want you bump it every 24 hours. But you don't open a self moderated thread and delete almost all replies, because if you only want PMs it's also not understandable why you left two replies in your thread.

In that case it would've made more sense for you to create a locked topic instead of a self-moderated one.

It’s expected for posts to get deleted in that thread, especially if you don’t have any relevant business there. If you read through the thread, you can see ;


He/she is just looking for forum members who claim to have been deceived by Royse. If you haven’t been deceived, then you don’t have any business getting involved. This issue seems personal between them, in my opinion. If someone really wanted to create a thread in the reputation section, it should have complete details so we can offer opinions based on facts. If it's a scam accusation, it would be better to make it formal with evidence. But there isn’t much substance here, so it feels more personal, and the claims aren’t solid enough to destroy Royse's reputation.

This is just my personal opinion, and I could be wrong. However, it’s better to keep the conversation formal with proper evidence; otherwise, it just becomes gossip with no end. After all, we’re here to follow the rules and contribute positively to the forum.

This I think should have done by him. If he doesnt get reward for that campaign means his not eligible for the task he done and from there he should have accepted it if ever theres a complain surely you dont wanna publicly rant it out and make things personal all the way.

Well based on the thread on altcointalks it seems theres more to it than just the reward.

Why leave the tag at all if you are going to delete it after a week? If the tag is justified, then leave it, no point in removing it after you think enough have viewed it. The only time to remove a tag soon after placing it is maybe if a scam accusation pops up on a user and you feel the accusation needs acknowledged. I have left a couple for sites when a user seems to have a case and the site needs to reply.

Far as the notblox situation goes, for the most part a manager has the final say. If you don't like his say, take it up with them through pm. If they outright scammed you it's different, but this is not an outright scam. Just don't join anymore of that managers bounties if you don't like the way they manage. My 2 cents anyways.

Harsh moderation from a poster that is not reputed. But good moderation from a reputed poster. I think that is how it could be. If such topic was posted by a newbie, I would not have posted if it is self-moderated. Many of us might not have posted. Also the neutral tag is harmless. Just a warning to let people know that their post could likely be deleted. I wanted not to give the neutral tag but almost all posts are getting deleted. I will remove the neutral tag after a week when everyone would have seen it.

The OP of self moderated thread can surely delete the posts he doesn’t like but it does tell about what kind of convo he wants, specially after not mentioning what he don’t want to hear and leaving the interpretation to the poster (This is done to hide the true intention or expecting others will write what you want)

He made his intention that he wants info in PM, he can lock down the thread and bump the thread to keep it visible but no he chose the second route.

If you do this, it is fine and not against the rule. Don't undermine the power of self moderation. If you feel that the starter of the self moderated thread is grossly biased and doesn't encourage freedom of speech, you are free to open a parallel topic such as Poker player has done.

Posts in self moderated threads can be removed when the starter doesn't like your posts, when it goes against their rules even when they don't have a rule. His wife could annoy him and he comes in the forum and delete all the posts. When next you are going to post in a self moderated thread, be ready to accept harsh moderation.

Suppose.. Tomorrow I make a thread against someone on the forum a self moderated one, and delete every post that doesn’t suit my agenda except members who have a powerful profile (because they can use their influence against me in at present or in future)

Posts in self moderation threads should only be removed when they are spam, off-topic not to take advantage of it to push one sides agenda.

There could be many reasons why self-moderated threads are created. I currently actively support several threads that are self-moderated to keep spammers away and one of them is the Premier League thread. It was created in 2020 and as of now shows: 560 posts by 54 users with 2 merit deleted.

Keeping that aside, I noticed the self-moderated thread before many of the posts were deleted. If he had explained the rules clearly in his OP (in a way that did not leave room for multiple interpretations), the subsequent mess most probably would have been avoided.

Again, not playing devil's advocate here, but he did mention what he expected from his thread. Everything else can be considered off-topic according to his view. He has every right to delete whatever the hell he wants in his self-moderating thread. Just like anyone else can.

I personally do not think that the neutral tag is worth it. I read your post in his self moderated thread, it was very much on topic and doesn't deserve to be deleted. My own post was also deleted by him but I took it in a good fate.
If you are going to post in a self moderated thread, be willing to accept harsh moderation

The guys is not telling what not to write in the thread, deleting the replies of users he thinks not helping him or prevent others from giving him proof against 🌹. He however didn’t delete Dave’s reply for some reason.

And not locking the thread.

I dont want to take sides in this or the previous case that led to the creation of this thread. However, I do think that people have the right to delete any posts they want in their self-moderating threads. Thats the very purpose of a self-moderating thread. If you dont like this and are concerned that your post might be deleted, it is probably best to avoid replying in such threads.  Although, I agree with Rikafip, some local rules and basic guidelines would be welcome to help maintain a more positive and productive discussion.  Of course, even with well-defined rules, there will always be room for interpretation. So, it is again up to the OP to decide which posts to delete and which not to.

You could have said “I don’t enough proof to take down someone who didn’t pay me 30$ and if someone has something against the user I am targeting then please send it to me I can’t see them progress in life”

Btw what’s left to write in those 2 reserved posts after complaining that long.

You have a weird fetish of appreciating being called fool for making a thread.
It’s another thing you’re deleting on-topic replies from the users who are neutral/against the matter… The topic is supposed to talk on the matter.. You said “Contact me on the matter” could have locked the thread after your miserable post after it and keep on bumping it up in hope you get your revenge for not getting 30$.

It's better to not make posts in threads that are self-moderated because in those thread you can't really share your honest opinion about an issue because if your opinion somehow offends the OP of the thread then that might gets deleted without any prior warning.

I personally try to avoid posting in self-moderated topics because it's just like waste of one's energy and nothing else. But, I believe that topics in reputation board should not be self-moderated as in that board everyone should be allowed to share their opinion fearlessly.

Exactly and that was what I said in his thread and he deleted the comment. Such attitude is not really good. Poker Player thanks for this thread to discuss the guy. I wanted to create such thread only for me to this one. If notblox1 has issue with AB de Royse777, he doesn't need third party to provide evidence for him to use it to nail AB de Royse777 to the wall but he has to find the evidence by himself and if any other person has issues with AB de Royse777, the person should also create his or her own thread. Don't use another person evidence to accused person. notblox1 would have died the matter over there in the other forum. But extending it to this side shows that, he is not matured enough. If he wanted to discuss what happened there in this side then there was no need to delete other people comments again. With what he has displayed, he is an incompetent poster in the forum. Yes it is good to air his anger but it is not with this manner.

This is going to be my first and last post in this topic.

I said in my topic that I dont like wasting time talking about other members, unlike pokerplayer, and I only asked people to contact me if they have been damaged by royse.
I was not asking for conspiracy theory conversations about other members, speculations, cookbook recipes, guide how to stop being an addict, or anything else.
It is not my problem if someone doesnt understand that.

OP thank you for calling me a fool for being a moderator in my own self-moderated topic, and if you have nothing better to do in your life than talk about me if you want.

 

Not really sure what happened between them and I'm not really interested. But for me it's a bit strange behaviour when you ask question or opinion and when you get responses, you delete it. But it's self-moderated topics, you shouldn't be surprised when such things happens.

I think thats right. Self moderated in my opinion has been there to let the OP clean up some possible spam and out of topic response to sort out the cleanliness of the subject.

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But with regards with this one, its the opposite since he deleted mostly of the comment. Nobody wanted dispute on forum. I also commented on that and seen my post deleted too.

Yeah so the thread on altcointalks, it seems that the cause of heated drama. Anyway hope they settled it soon to lessen issues here.

The guy is likely pissed for not getting 30$ for his review.

Edit: The guy reserved 2 more posts after ranting on a big page in alttalk 

When you raise allegations against someone or against an organisation, then the thread shouldn't be self-moderated. I saw yesterday that thread and ignored to respond there. If anyone has any complaints against Royse, then they should discuss it openly, it doesn't necessarily mean sending evidence or something else in DM. Problems could be solved in public discussion. If something is private, then it should be solved privately. However, personally, I don't have any issue with Royse, nor am I involved with any of his business. 

As the name name says, its crypto forum with focus on altcoins. It became more popular after mixer ban on bitcointalk as its possible to advertise mixers there.


People start self moderated threads due exactly that reason, but in that case it would be good to set some local rules so people don't waste their time posting there. Or at least not delete posts without a good reason.

I posted on his thread. Some other people posted on his thread. He deleted most of the posts. I wished to have given him neutral trust as a warning for people to know how he is deleting people's posts on the self-moderated thread but I just do not want to be biased about it. But for what notblox1did by deleting people's posts and also moderating accusation thread again someone, I think he is out of his mind.

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I guess I have no option but to let people know not to post on that thread. He still keep deleting people's posts.

I didn’t say anything about the issue at altcoinstalks [I honest don’t know what happened] but what I know for sure is that the reason he created that thread or he decided to move the thread to this forum was because the mod and admin of the other forum refused to moderate his thread so he could not do anything about it.

Those that read the topic over there [it also spread to a different area of the forum] and saw how it ended would instantly know that this thread here would be massively moderated and anything that doesn’t fit well with him will be removed.

That's unfortunate, but I know exactly where you're coming from and I tend to be wary of them myself.  I've noticed that whenever I've started up a self-moderated thread I get way fewer responses than I'd normally get if it was just a standard, moderator-moderated one. 

Anyway, that is indeed messed up if notblox1 is deleting posts en masse because of reasons not related to quality or being on-topic or whatever.  He could have made a local rule (or multiple rules) in the OP and then reported posts to the mods if they violated them.  Not great forum etiquette.  BTW, what the hell kind of forum is altcoinstalks?  Just that name alone makes my head hurt.

With regard to what notblox1's thread was about, I've dealt with Royse off-forum and didn't have much in the way of problems with him, but that was before his reputation got tarnished.  Once that happens to some members, where they end up becoming a pariah in the community, sometimes they just roll with it and their behavior takes a turn for the worse.  I've seen that happen here before with members like aTriz and some others--and I'm not saying that's what happened with Royse, just stating my thoughts.  After the Bitlucy thing, it seemed like Royse couldn't do anything right in the eyes of our critical bitcointalk circles. 

I don't think it is necessary for drama to be spilling over from another forum into this one, since it happened in the other forum, i think it should stay there, because "teleporting accounts" is the only reason why you can identify a single user on both forums.

Deleting posts that you don't like in a self moderated thread is not right, why start the thread in the first place if all you want to hear is what you like. If you start a thread against another user, you should leave it open for others to contribute.

That's why I almost never post in self moderated threads. I ignore them mostly. People say they'll remove spam but that is usually not what happens. They only remove the posts the don't like. Then what's the point? I don't even need to read what's in the thread because I know that's some coward posting crap and afraid of the potential answers.

I didn't want to get involved in this matter, especially not to play devil's advocate, but what you can't do is start a reputation thread and delete almost all the responses just because you don't like what they're saying.

Since you're not letting people share their opinions in your thread, I'm opening this one so people can give their thoughts on you, on AB de Royse777, or the issue that seems to have sparked your thread—namely that he didn't pay you for a review on another forum.

The fact that you've deleted 80% of the responses so far is pretty ridiculous.

In case somebody reading this hasn't heard what's going on, this is the original thread:

Damaged by Royse?

And this seems to be the origin of the dispute: