Topic: Notre Dame destroyed by fire (Read 13682 times)

And? How does this change anything? Again, humans bread like bacteria, human life is probably the cheapest ressource we have. Human life is worth nothing.
Of course they are!!! People buy blood diamons, cheap electronics shit that are made by children, clothing made in horrible conditions... They do that everyday! They don't care! People ARE horrible why are you trying to give them excuses!!!
And so? It doesn't change anything.
Notre-Dame is a tragedy. Stop trying to say it isn't. The fact that our society is even a bigger tragedy doesn't change that.

nope its not racist, its simply financial. the greeks werent able to finish their athena temple since decades they are only throwing money away there, they cant work with money.

i am one of the least racist persons in the world

I agree that it is a significant loss by fire but your comparison does not look good. Comparing a human life with some building is not at all valid comparision. I am somewhat disappointed also that you are taking human life as "cheap".

Your comment is full of racism not only for a European country such as Greece, but maybe for all the European countries and you are off topic.

Notre Dame's fire is a huge cultural disaster and it affects the whole region.
We still need to find the causes and then take the precaution measures that needs to protect the region from future similar events. These are the most important actions that we need to take now, and not trying to take advantage of the situation to spread hate among nations.

The Left's Disturbing Take On The Notre Dame Fire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJ2-JWeaGY

the people donate to what could help them, its simply that the french are rich.

i dont mind if the french invest into other things in france, i simply think notre dame will be not a good investment and they will be scammed by those restoration companies over and over again.

same like the greeks.

it will be painful to watch from germany as germany has the same currency with those people

A day of violence? Horse shit. This stinks like it was drowned in a vat of pig shit and psyops. The yellow vests have been actively seeking peaceful resistance, the violence only came after infiltrators arrived to muddy the waters and make the entire movement look violent. This is the problem with headless organizations, they are easily infiltrated. I warned about this. They did the same thing with Occupy Wallstreet. One day we had the left and the right starting to realize how much we had in common, the next day everything was infiltrated by a bunch of commies and it was  "consensus by hand sparkle".

You have to realize that the millions of people dying around the world are all fathers sons mothers, daughters and wives.  

Just to be clear, France is full of sensible people.  So is the west.  A lot of times it goes unnoticed as a silent majority in a society drowned out by peer pressure and reactionary social media posts.  Deep down, i don't believe most westerners are so archaic in their morality.  

Yellow vests have called for a day of violence in response to this magical production of money nobody had when it came to meeting basic needs of the country.  


On Macron



Unfortunately, the corporate media will not report any of this sentiment, nor will they report the police use of teargas and beating of protesters.  The images are a threat to capitalism.  

https://www.france24.com/en/20190420-france-yellow-vests-protests-violence-notre-dame-fire-anger-riot-billion-restoration
Solidarity with people not buildings.

They can rebuild it if they want but is it really worthy to spend that much money. There are places that badly needed help and it might be appropriate to put that $1 bil there. There are a lot of centuries old churches in France where people seldom go. They seem not to care for it anymore.

It's very very sad news. There are many lives affected by this accident. Man loves peace but some of the peoples are doing very detestable work. I hate those peoples who are looks like peoples but they are savage.

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i send 10 000 000 Katz to do donate Notre dame   

If they just donated that big amount to those who are in needs or in those in depressed area in the world. They could make a difference. It such a sad feeling that church are just for business only.

such pointless trash, rebuilding a chatedral of a religon a big portion of the population doesnt care anymore.

It looks like they have gotten past the $1bil mark in donations to rebuild the cathedral.  I heard it will take much more for the project.  I hope more generous donations come in soon to get this great monument back up again.   

875 Churches Vandalized In France Triggers Notre Dame CONSPIRACIES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35_UTCxKt2c

Very, very sad. I hope this was an accident, but I wonder how this could happen. Notre Dame has always been crowded when I was there, alarm should have been raised within minutes after the fire started. I'm also thinking that wood which is several centuries old should be very difficult to ignite. I hope the truth will be known, finally, I'm very sad for all Catholics. This happening just before Easter, it's terrible.

I saw on Twitter that there is already a found raising for the building of the Dome that was burn by fire although investigation over the cause of the fire is ingoing and the found raising have recorded significant amount amounting to millions of dollars.

Yeah Notre Dame was destroyed by fire. So what? I am a Catholic but can you call me brain damaged if I personally think that those people that helped the chruch to rebuilt are hypocrites? Is church are now open just to have business?

Seriously, nobody but you would spit such stupidity. Washington what, Maduro neglected our electric grid. Stop spreading lies about a country you have never even been to... Whats next, haarp produced the earthquake? Your kind seems to never learn, the more you speak these the more a fool you make of yourself.

Of course you don't care a cultural heritage burns, like Mao (and Maduro), you probably dance in happiness when these tragedies occur, what with "the symbols of exploitation", just hold your red book high marching proud, what could ever possibly go wrong when the "new man" comes?

i think it would be smarter to give up notre dame instead of making it a neverending construction side and budget black hole in france and europe

Man with gas cans arrested at St. Patrick’s church in NYC https://www.apnews.com/ae918e45ffcb45399afb87376cf15c6a

No doubt that this work of art is in the history, the sad part for me is that rich people in Europe can give $700M(If I am not mistaken) to rebuild the said church and why can't they do the same thing to solve poverty. Are they having this mindset that it might saved them from all their sins?

parts are gone forever though. Some artworks will never be done again.
Building is often more important than human life. It seems you don't understand that human life isn't precious at all. It's very cheap. Humans reproduce pretty fast and 99% of them are patheticly identical. There is nothing precious in human life.

Sometimes though, humans manage to do extraordinary things, and those things they build are precious. I would be more sad of the loss of Notre Dame or Versailles or the Schönbrunn castle than of the death of 2 millions people. Because 2 millions human life isn't worth much. 131 millions human are born every year, how can one life be precious? Humans are one of the most disposable resource we have, if not THE most disposable ressource.
Because they aren't ours... You do understand that what is not yours is less important to you that what is yours no? If you want an example, you'll be pretty sad if terrorists killed your wife/husband even though as a country you have killed millions of loved ones accross the world.
No, I'm crying about a cracked phone in a metaphorical room with ONLY people with badass phones, who are wealthy as fuck and lack nothing. The ones poor, dying and having lost everything are in the streets, not with us.
No we couldn't. Our whole system is based on the explotation of others. For 600 millions of people having our occidental lifestyle, we need nearly 7 billions people working more or less for us. We're blue blood in their castle while peasants die of famine in the near village. We can't just "share" and "pool our ressources". That would be the end of our society as it BASED on human explotation and violence.
Your article is dumb as hell.
Everyone is pooling on this not because it is an autority symbol, but because it's easy and non controversial. Everyone can say "oh we're so sorry, we're here to help" knowing that in worse case scenario they'll have to send 5 millions for this which is nothing. While if anyone would say that for Africa famines for example, it would be completely hypocritical as we NEED those famines. They're what allow us to control this continent and its ressources.

We will NEVER help Africa simply because the suffering of Africa is OUR happiness.

Is it too hard to understand?
No need for this virtue signaling. Your part of a horrible, inhumane system dear.

I am simply pointing out the obvious fact that legitimate arson investigations done with proper due diligence aren't completed before all the embers are extinguished. I am not claiming the Earth is flat here, this is common sense.

The catholic church's reported assets are 30 billion and they also hold ~15% of the Italian stock market value.  None of this is counting the real estate, art, and antiquities which no one knows the true value of.  Their wealth and power is unrivaled. 

Yes, valid arson investigations usually last hours do they? I am sure this supposed declaration before the place even stopped burning is totally legitimate.

"Notre Dame fire 2019-04-15 - Person moving and flash on the roof?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgfYYMjpf1s

It was really sad to see what happened to Notre Dame cathedral. I think we need to put religion aside now. First of all it was just not a church. It was important of France and world history. 900 years of history. It survived France revolution, WW1, WW2 and other important periods of history. And offcourse, beautiful architecture of this building is must mention thing. And all art inside it, unfortunately part of it was destroyed by fire and water I'm not religious person, but I hate to see laughing reactions of muslims on social networks.
This cathedral will be rebuilt, but it wont be the same and unique anymore...

Please don't use the church in your scamming actions. It's obvious that your account was just created in order to collect funds and to "compensate the destroyed church."

I'm not protecting the church but I think that their money is not enough to restore the church. It takes millions I guess to do that.

I'm sure everyone can agree that when we see something like this happen, some of us that like the history want to help. Trying to compare this to world hunger is not compatible. There are many people who do help with big problems like this. It takes a charitable person willing to go there to actually help, and that takes going out of your comfort level no matter where you come from. There is part of me that wants to be charitable, and I am, but for some this charity can be at the cost of something else. It could be a sudden health problem or maybe taxes are too much in your country. Everyone has problems and we should just try to help out as much as we are able to, but charity should never be forced, because then you are on the edge of slavery.

This was not arson. Arson was ruled out pretty quickly.  This is not about economic ideology.
The building was not lost, it was damaged.  It is only temporarily lost and was always going to be repaired.  It sucks but worse things happen everyday. I'm criticizing the lack of perspective and your exaggeration "loss of nd" is more evidence of that lack of perspective. I'm criticizing the worshipping of material by Christians.  I understand that the loss of a symbol is considered a national tragedy and that is my point.  Valuing a material symbol over the lives of hundreds of people is a disgusting choice and not a choice that even has to be made.  You could value both but choose to value the building over the people and that is where I lay criticism.  

No one said the loss of Notre Dame would be ok.  Its a cultural loss.  The connection is that it shows where your values and perspective are.  As a country, you are responsible for damage to so many people's Notre Dame's and hardly bat an eye. You are crying about a cracked phone in a metaphorical room with people who have lost loved ones, and everything dear to them.  Thats where its tone-deaf.  So many people have nothing and people who took everything are devastated about damage to one building.


I'm complaining because things like "UN issues appeal for 4.4 billion in emergency funds to deal with famine" happen and are hardly a story but when the wealthiest institution in the history of the world has one building catch fire, support and donations pour in from around the world.  This event is proof that society can pool their global attention onto an issue and collect resources to solve it within hours.  We could do both without communism.

Imagine a world where life on Earth is valued as a symbol for life on Earth.
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/notre-dame-case-misplaced-empathy-190416175229594.html

The Crown of Thorns is safe and no it's not a heinous crime... stop spreading shitty rumours, don't try to make it what it's absolutely not.  

This is something very unfortunate, what I'm not sure is if they burned some important relics like the crown of thorns and the nails with which they nailed the arms of Jesus Christ that they used on the cross. I think that if it is a terrorist act at the time of the week for the Catholic religion is very heinous, I think that if that is the case, anyone who puts himself in the things of God, the Heavenly Father will not finish things well.

Looks to me like a double diversion, redirection of public opinion but the questions is from what?
Your link would be my suspect nr1, those messiah prophecies won't realise by themself, right?
Second thing would be EU's voting for basically a destruction of free internet today.
Talk about killing two birds with one stone...

I am sorry, but I lived in communism so you are the one not understanding it. Yawn.

It means what I said. That and you have poor reading comprehension and or are projecting.

https://images.cointelegraph.com/images/740_Ly9jb2ludGVsZWdyYXBoLmNvbS9zdG9yYWdlL3VwbG9hZHMvdmlldy8xNTMw.jpg

EDIT: Why does my image link is not showing up???

You said "Communists love destroying history".
If that's not the same as saying "all communists love destroying history" then what does that mean?

I don't remember saying all people who call themselves Communists love destroying history. I did however say Communism relies on justifying victimizing others by claiming to be rectifying the wrong done to victim classes. If there is a historical record it makes it hard to keep using the same strategy over and over because people might see the pattern and learn from it.

Another interesting related article: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/772495/al-aqsa-mosque-fire-jerusalem-notre-dame-islam-muslims-jews-israel-palestine

the biggest communists today are the usa and the EU.

future russian foreign information war will be accusing those as being communists claiming itself to be capitalist and turn the entire anti communism propaganda the western governments used against russians and educated their population against them.

it will be like a weapon that fires at the one that triggers it.

Notre Dame holds so much history and It was really sad watching it burn...

But there is good news too that came from today's news, they say it would take ~ 5years to restore

"Communists love destroying history"

I don't like destroying history.
Does that make me not a communist?

Or does that mean that communism isn't "loving destroying history" but it's just a crazy person doing that?

He is definitely one misguided person that doesn't know what he is talking about, but he is not the only one by far. There is plenty of Communism all around you, you just call it by another name not understanding the base principles it operates under. Using victim status to justify the victimization of others is in the DNA of Communism.

Interesting related article: https://www.rt.com/news/456728-notre-dame-assassins-creed-reconstruction/

That is not communism. It is just one missguided person trying to draw attention by not knowing what he is taking about. Communism is much worse than that and there is not much communism around anymore.

Are you starting to see what Communism is all about yet? This is what it is about. Casting false and excessive blame, hiding the real story, and virtue signalling to the world all to feed their narcissistic desires of projection. You might not like me or my ideas very much but I am not cheering great historical monuments in your nation burning. Communists love destroying history, it makes it easier to use the most reliable and simple tricks over and over again.

You can also donate with Bitcoin:  https://www.help-notre-dame.com

Wtf?
And what's the link?

What the hell dude?? Losing a building that is just the symbol of a country and its history IS a tragedy. Much more than the death of a few hundred people, being brown, yellow, white or blue.

Why the fuck Church being a scam makes the loss of Notre Dame ok? WTF is the link between French "wrongs" whatever they may be, and the catastrophe of having such symbol taken down by fire?
What's next? "oh whole Paris was destroyed by fire, but let's be realistic 1 million people die worldwide by lack of water so crying on something like this is sickening"??

Yes, I am sure you would be saying exactly the same thing if it was a mosque that was suspected burned by arson. You are always so woke when it works for your political views, then blind the rest of the time.

This entire event has supported the idea that our society values materials more than the lives of poor black and brown people around the world.  France has so many wrongs to right around the world yet they are completely tone-deaf to the loss of a single building.  It takes a complete naiveness towards one's privilege to use words like "devastated" and "tragedy" to describe the loss of the roof to a church you went inside one time on vacation.  Sickening.

Also, the heretical Catholic Church is a huge scam.  If they were actually a Christian Church, they would have auctioned off most of that art for helping the poor long ago.  Now they are taking donations instead of rebuilding with their own immense wealth.  They could solve world hunger if they wanted, but choose not to.   Shame on all parties. 

As a Catholic this is a sad news, but the People is the Church right?
As long as people continue to attend the Regular Mass, then the Church is just the same as before.

do you want to say that muslim workers layed that fire in order to destroy that church?

Well good sir, i have donated as much as i could spare since i stated earning money. I don't have anything against spending millions to restore a cathedral. It is an essential part of paris' history. I'm just saying that it would be nice if we could make as much noise for real people who are suffering around the world.

I think the building will be restored.The main thing is that there were no human victims in the fire.There will still be an investigation into the cause of the accident,but I think the perpetrators will be very difficult to find.

Yeah. I wonder if other places of worship are as open as churches. They should have at least CCTVs and security guards there, considering status of church being a World Heritage Site.

It seems to be not so uncommon for fires to engulf famous museums and landmarks. Not long ago a fire erupted in a Brazilian museum destroying prehistoric and historic artifacts. It seems nations need to invest a lot more in fireproofing and securing their landmarks to prevent or mitigate disaster.

According to reports, most of the paintings and relics were saved while some artwork was damaged by smoke or water. In case anyone wants to know, here's a list of what was recovered:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/16/notre-dame-fire-fears-over-fate-of-cathedrals-treasures

Off topic but, got a source for that? As far as i know, the blackouts were caused by problems in their main hydroelectric power station called Guri due to lack of maintenance over the past decade or so.

No worries, they can rebuilt what was lost, question is how long is it gonna take?

I somehow agree with you but this one is heard here in my place almost several times in a day but there are a lot of religious persecutions happening in different part of the world like China, India, Nigeria and more but then they are not airing them in the news or broadcasting in media. Sad that killing people is so easy for them just because these people believe in God.

I hope the hunchback is fine 
But seriously that's a sad thing to see such an old and beautiful building in flames, i hope that they'll be able to restore the damage done.

totally agree, it's hard to believe something as a"natural" cause or accident in times like these. I'm not sure what i should think about this disaster but it's horrible and sad for me to see.

Very sad news but we shouldn't forget that church is not just building but also people, believers.
Today I watched news about it and sew something what inspired me a lot.
Many people around Notre Dame praying and signing holy songs.
It's great to see that they didn't loose faith and could find hope after such tragedy.
If more people, in such way, find faith and God, this tragedy will bring something good also.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/04/muslims-laughing-in-threads-on-notre-dame-fire-allah-est-grand/

https://youtu.be/I2M9iQg0TLs


Hmmm...

'European Churches: Vandalized, Defecated On, and Torched "Every Day"'
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/14044/europe-churches-vandalized

You'll think what you want, I'm not here to start a debate but here is a tweet I liked :

https://twitter.com/opourriol/status/1118124953772199936


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Makes you think...

Btw, Bettencourt and L'Oréal offered also 200 millions euros each for the reconstruction.
https://fr.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/loreal-et-les-bettencourt-font-un-don-de-200-millions-deuros-pour-notredame-715771

Naah, they haven't even started the investigation yet. There is still a risk of the Cathedral falling down completely. It will take 48 hours to make sure it's safe then they will start an inventory of the place and only after that, the police will investigate.

The illusion would be to believe in The One Truth...

 

Glad to hear this.I saw in google news that some people are linking this incident with 26/11 , is it correct?

^^^ The illusion is in the word "never" that you use.     

Priorities are never straight. It's an illusion. Look around this sub.

I wouldn't call this a tragedy, at the end of the day this is just a building and no humans were injured.  This thing was all over the news when much more serious issues are happening.  This is a loss for the art world but lets keep our priorities straight.

Send some of YOUR money helping the children while others save their cathedral. It's a big world with plenty of simultaneous options...
People are still suffering in Haiti. You could start there.

I'm sure they'll fix it. I read an article that one prominent family is donating 100m euros for the restoration of the cathedral. Don't have anything against that, and i the notredame cathedral is a highly valuable work of architechture, but imagine if people are also this passionate in dealing with children going hungry in the poorest parts of the world. Just saying.

Some of the richest French people have already promised 600 millions Euros for the reconstruction.

The global tragedy is that modern architects do not use any kind of artwork in their buildings. That's the last trend in the architecture: to build some so-called "minimalistic" buildings from concrete and glass, get huge money for that and be happy. For the first time those buildings may look unusual but in a couple years after everyone get used to those innovations, it will look like shit.

One more beautiful building was heavily damaged. It will probably be restored but in general, we will see less of those beautifully decorated buildings.

From what I heard on the news, this is all very strange as they had a hell of a security system there : the area was restricted, they had guards, fire alarms of course...
But most of the Cathedral was also very old, some of its structure dating from the 13th century and not being renewed since.

Truly sad, when I first saw the news break-in and the images, I was shot-back to 9/11. Hopefully this turns out to be purely accidental. Hopefully.

It's true and one of the many perspectives about how we look at this accident. I choose to look at positive that No one got hurt here, life is more important to me in comparison to Art. and I am an artist by profession.

And if by any chance French not able to create a replica of lost Art then Chinese can surely help them because they are very good at it.

Problem is that they never catch anyone.

The vandals aren't protected or whatever like some conspiracists like to say, but churches are by nature open buildings where anyone can enter. And in lots of places at any hour. It makes it easy to destroy them.

And has anyone ever been arrested for previous vandalism? People have been joking the government would blame this on Quasimodo.

We almost never see these mentioned in the news, I don't even know church burnings is a thing in France now. If it wasn't Notre Dame, we probably wouldn't even hear about this.

They should have listened to Trump and send the water tankers.
Hahaha and this guy rules the most powerful nation in the world. Sorry that's not funny but the guy's a complete moron.

But much of the artwork can't.

I'm getting very suspicious of all these events and disasters. Now we know that the electrical failure in Venezuela was caused by Washington, and it's suspicious that many flooding and other "natural" disasters seem to occur in countries that Washington wants to invade or force a regime change. The military elite have already announced that they are able to use flooding, high winds and drought as weapons of war. I just hope that it really was an accident, and that it wasn't Macron trying another fake trick to demonise the Gilet Jaune.

Architecture could be repaired. I am just glad and hoping for no human casualty occurred in this accident.

Sad, the time of investigation and the truth, many questions. Thanks to our firefighters, brave as always

13 century cidar wood roof, that can burn of course.

Yeah I watch it on the news yesterday the Notre Dame fire  was so devastating and the cause of the fire is still unknown and I hope that the investigators will fine out the real cause of the fire.

It is sad to see something that has been around for so long get damaged so badly. I hope this wasn't something malicious.

Yesterday flame burned down Notre Dame at paris, the 850 years old cathedral has suffered unprecedented damages after a night of fire despite the work of the firefighters:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47941794



An investigation was started this morning to know if the fire was criminal or accidental. As the cathedrale was under renovation and the fire started at the location of the renovation work where the chemical products and machines were stored, accidental origin is a privileged explanation right now.

Still, as the number of vandalism and started fire of French churches only grew these last years, suspicion of a criminal burning can't be completely discarded.

Governments and people worldwide have expressed there sympathies for this huge cultural loss and offered their help (whatever that means).


I'm in Paris, I've visited the cathedrale a few times, I can confirm the burning hurted it deeply. It was a wonderful monument, even if I'm not too fond of the symbols of the past and of religion, it's really sad to see that.