Topic: [NSFW] What do you guys think about this.. (Read 2154 times)

Any sort of blow to the head can be considered deadly force. The use of deadly force is only permitted if the cop was in danger

Nowadays, most of them are put in isolated cells, away from the attention of the hardcore criminals. But mistakes happen, every now and then. That is why we are having such a high suicide rate among the police officers, who are sentenced. And regarding the child abusers, I agree. Simple punishment is not enough for them. They deserves something "extra".

They suspended him with pay for about two years until his trial. Then he got a ten year suspension, but he still gets his pension.
Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rhode-island-officer-kicked-cuffed-woman-face-fights-job-article-1.1112719

WTF ?   Cops get fired

I dont have problem with the officer here. When you are already handcuffed by LE responsible for the area, you ought to cooperate. Ive never had a problem with police even in eastern Europe and middle East, because it never crossed my mind to try to fight them, when they were doing their job.

Yes, she is woman. I know it and most of you here also. Yet, she doesnt. She reacts like drunken brawler, who just lost his favourite toy. You dont argue with drunken brawlers (especially not, if you are LEO). You put them in place.

I think that was a fair outcome.  Yeah, no way this cop should have been sent to jail. 

Ah, I didn't knew that that was called 'suspended sentence' in English. Then I think the punishment is acceptable.

I'm sure cops will not be treated nicely in those jails. The same is the fact for rapists and child abusers (for which I don't mind that they get an "extra punishment" in jail).

He was given 10 years of "suspended sentence". He never went to jail, although he lost his job. Although he had to forego his salary and benefits, he must be feeling lucky.    Unimaginable things occur to cops who are sent to prison. The hardcore criminals single them out, and subject them to the most barbarous torture methods.

psyop.  Wide media distro to implant the idea that when paramilitaries kill citizens it was probably the victim's fault.

I agree with you, that's exactly my opinion. If the woman would not have kicked the officer, this thing would not have happened at all. Sure, it was not a good reaction. He should kick handcuffed people (both male and female), but I think it was all a reaction. The woman should not have attacked the officer in the first place.


10 years?! I think that is because the media was on the incident.. Way too much if you ask me. If punishment is suitable, there were other ways to deal with the officer..

Tried to do a bit of research on the incident. Here is the news paper article about it:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rhode-island-officer-kicked-cuffed-woman-face-fights-job-article-1.1112719

This incident occurred in May 2009. The officer (Edward Krawetz) was handed a 10-year suspended sentence. He was also suspended without pay from his job. Don't know what happened to the lady (Donna Levesque). Did she got any compensation?

This is definitely an example of police brutality.  The fact that the cop may have been provoked does not, at least SHOULD not, change the rules on proper and improper behavior.

Look, one thing cops DO is handle public disturbances, drunks, any number of basically normal people who for various reasons are drunk, angry, unruly, and so forth.  That's what they are paid to do, in part.  So then a society must set up rules of engagement for them, and tell them how to act - how to use force, and when, and to what limits.

What the cop should have done after that silly, harmless swipe of her leg would have just been to move one step back.

The point is that if she hadn't gone and tried to kick him in the fucking first place that wouldn't have happened, people like this idiot detract from real victims of police bruality who haven't actually done anything, the way you fuckers blindly side with the woman 'just because' is pathetic.

If a drunken woman took a swing at a cop and they defended themselves would you side with the person trying to attack them? Knowing people like you I suspect you would.

Wow, who would be happy if your head was kicked. That's so unreasonable. Didn't you see the cop friends try to help her after that?  The cop was getting hard problem in his head maybe

The fact that she was handcuffed didn't prevented her from kicking the officer. First of all, she was driving at 100 Kmph, under the influence of alcohol. And when the officers arrested her for that, she physically assaulted one of the officers (probably under the influence of alcohol). Anyway... she will soon be awarded a $10 million compensation by the supreme court, funded by the tax payers.

I don't think anyone deserves to be kicked in the head especially while in handcuffs

She should be happy she didn't get bullet in the head. These days cops are going mad, probably because of brainwash training.

I almost guarantee it's here in the good ole USA. A light touch can be an assault charge here. A dirty look can get you a charge of "menacing".

She deserved something , but the cop is completely responsible for his actions. A "civilian" (as they like to call us) would get at least one year in jail for that kick.

So you're basically coming off as if you detest the action of the cop as being violent. But then when you wrote this:


You completely discredit yourself.

Yes, it was an overreaction on the cop's part. But did the woman really think kicking him was a good idea?

lol, nice, but cop shouldn't do this

Give evidence to support your claims, or it never happened. Tens of thousands of people die every year in accidents caused by drunk drivers. If you don't want the cop to make fun of you, then you should not drunk and drive. Still, I agree that the cop's reaction was way excessive. But I think it is the instantaneous reflex thing.

There is no situation where the cop's kick to the neck would be a justified police response.

Consider the following.  A formidable bad guy was on the ground, handcuffed.  Say a 4th degree black belt who knew well how to break a knee with a side swipe of his bare foot.  He tries to do just that. 

Now in this case, is the cop justified with a kick to the neck?  Nope - because there is no justification for a potentially dangerous action by a cop, an action which yielded unpredictable danger in the results.  Suppose for example that for the cop not trained in martial arts, the kick to the neck was deadly 1% of the time.  It then cannot be allowed. 

You don't know if the woman had a bad behavior or what really happened.

What?!

What backwards country did this happened?

The guy should be fired immediately and face charges for what he did, he clearly cannot behave accordingly to his position.

Sure, get drunk if you want to;

But don't think that is a way to get lose of your responsibility. If you drink the alcohol to get drunk (or take drugs to get high), deal with the responsibility. If this means that you get arrested (due to behaviour that is caused by your drunkness), then you are responsible for it. So, if you kick a police officer while being drunk, you still have your responsibility: deal with the consequences. 

There's no way to "hide" behind being high or drunk like many people think. You decided to get high / drunk and therefore you have to deal with the consequences of your own behaviour.

You have no idea if he was making fun of her for like 20 mintues straight and then she decided to kick him.


I don't think anyone should be kicked in the face for kicking someone in the shins without shoes while sitting down..  Cops are just highschool thugs that jumped onto the legal thug train.

Cop is 100% to blame that is a complete over use of force.

Exactly. Normally I don't side with the cops, but in this case, the cop is not to be blamed. As someone rightly pointed out, the kick seems to be an instantaneous reflex. Also, just think what would have happened if the cop was a female and the arrested person was a male. As saddampbuh posted here, none of us would have sided with the male.

Assaulting police officers is necessary if they violate your rights.

i may agree but he stil need to be punished in my opinion.

Standard operating procedure for the pig, he probably went home that night to beat up his wife aswell. If you look when she tries to kick him, he pretty much moves his leg out of the way so it could not have hurt much if at all, also bare in mind her hands are tied behind her back so there's no way she could have protected herself when her head hit the floor.

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She has the right to be drunk.

You just completely contradicted yourself with your sexist statement, you said never hit a woman and then said only defend yourself if necessary, there isn't one or the other. This kind of thinking is why more men end up in jail than women. If a cop is trying to beat the shit out of you while you're defenceless and lying on the ground, then hell yes, fight back, but this woman wasn't being beaten up, in fact it's obvious she was just being detained there, anyone can see that, well, unless you're sexist of course.

As I've said already, people like you detract from real victims of police brutality and corruption, let this be a lesson for you guys as well if you ever defend yourself out there especially from a woman, the stupidity is strong in our respective western countries, so even if you handle yourself completely fine and back off when necessary you could easily end up in jail depending on the type of people are in charge of your trial and how determined the other party is to get you in there.

bla bla bla...

*she assaulted police officer - YES
*she was pacified for some reason - YES
*officer did his duty (writing something) and when he was not focused on her, she attacked him? - YES

and what you think that should the best behavior? let her to kick officer even more? for me is hitting woman also disgusting as obviously for you, but I can see difference between some random drunkard and police intervention.

you obviously not.

Looks like you made that account just for this post. Well done.


And this is not about whether hitting women is bad or not opossum. Sure it is! Assaulting police officers is bad too.  And, like Lethn said, this is about self defense. If you are attacked (by either a woman or a man), you're allowed to defense yourself as long this is reasonable force. As I said before, I don't think this is reasonable force by the police officer, but the woman is wrong by attacking him in the first place.  And who knows what happend before.. I can tell you, drunk woman are the worst to deal with.

In my country, we kick the ass of those cops.

she tried to trip him over and got what she deserved, if it wasnt a woman none of you would bat an eyelid

A man beating up a woman isn't right nor was this woman right in kicking him. It seems there was an issue even before she started kicking him but he should have made a woman police officer deal with her instead of kicking her on the neck. Men are physically more fit than woman and it's not appropriate to hit a woman criminal.

The guys here that think this is even remotely ok to kick a woman when she is on the floor with her hands tied, need to go back to their place where they grew up and learn some more from their parents how to treat females. This is disgusting he received a little bloody tap and resorted to kicking her hard in the head as stated above a women on the floor with her hands tied. No exception even if she kicked hard and knocked him on the floor gives no right to touch a female, shame on you people who make BS excuses she hit him reflex bla bla no excuse "never hit a woman" only defend yourself if necessary..

for me it seems more or less as police reflex. I really don't think that he actually hurt her her something, but he just reflexively kick because he was kicked..

anyway, I don't see any drama...I know that it depends where are you from but usually if you are attacking police officer during his work, there are consequences..and doesn't matter if you are woman or man. simple.

Somehow she deserved "it". But just somehow.
The officer is supposed to think before he acts and he could do much better. Letting her kick him then imprison her for that (or whatever the law tells abut hitting a police officer) would have been a more interesting decision, though it wouldn't have been so "interesting" for the news.

It's not funny at all. I think we share the same opinion Twister, however, I think each kick to the shin can be painful. There's nothing like "strong legs" to protect for those kicks.

However, I don't think police officers are not "allowed" to react if they were not really hurt from a kick; even when someone misses a punch they should react in my opinion.

It's funny? is it??

I bet you wouldn't think the same if the girl in the video was your gf or your wife or sister or mother.

Anyways, I am not taking sides, she obviously shouldn't have kicked him in the first place but still it wasn't like he was really hurt from that kick, in fact she must have hurt herself from that kick because cops generally have strong legs. And she was obviously drunk. I think kicking her in the neck was uncalled for and it's sad really.

I agree with you on that point. Self-defence is a statutory defense (I hope that is the right word). Here in the Netherlands we have self-defence and something that is called "noodweer" (but I have no clue how to translate that). "Noodweer" goes a bit further than self-defense, it is the same in the sense that "noodweer" is a statutory defence that "allows" you to protect yourself, others or yours of their goods, but in a situation of "noodweer" there is no other way than the use of violence to protect this. You can't simple run away, which is the fact in most of the situations in which people appeal for self-defence as a statutory defense.

One of the biggest problems we have here is the fact that we're making self-defence a crime, the law is so vague when it claims you should only use "Reasonable force" it needs to be far more specific than that so people stop bickering over whether the person was a woman or not and so on.

I'm not sure. First of all, I think we should respect the police officers way more than we do now. The police officers here in the Netherlands are quite soft. I've to work with them quite often. Sometimes they let people walk away when they call them bad words, or even when they are physical attacked by drunks etc. It all depends on the situation, but I think they are way too soft (here).

However, it's obvious that the woman could not protect herself from that kick. I think both are wrong in this situation. As BG4 mentioned, I think the officer regrets what he has done (especially if he notice that this all was recorded). Should he be punished, nah. The woman should have not attacked him in the first place; the officer would not have kicked her if she didn't attacked him.

As usual people will overreact to anything that happens to a woman but stay completely silent or even blame the guy getting hit if it's a man, in this case the guys should have just restrained her rather than kick her. I'm as wary of the police as the next guy, especially as an Anarchist, but it's one of these things when you see people act like total cunts in general and then wonder why they're being arrested I start to wonder frankly.

She shouldn't have kicked him, that much is true, but equally, in revenge you don't kick somebody in the neck which is precisely what's happening in that video, that's the main concern, the problem is these cops have no fucking self-control at all and it's because they clearly haven't had the kind of training you need to handle someone so aggressive and annoying.


Yeah, if you look at what he did he was actually looking at the notepad at the time, so she probably went and set him off trying to kick him like that. This kind of thing pisses me off really, because people try and take sides on it claiming it's all black and white, when there are real victims of the police who get gunned down just for running away and not being threatening in the slightest.

Try not to lose perspective internet please, I'm begging you -_- to put it into my perspective, there are plenty of women in the UK one would happily consider hitting, people in general can act like assholes, getting in your face a lot and it's very difficult not to just cut loose one time or another when somebody doesn't respect your personal space.

The officers response was total instinctive reflex... I bet he regretted it afterwards...

I have some difficulty defining her swipe with a bare foot sideways as anything that would constitute assault.

However, even if it somehow did, kicking someone in the head would be inappropriate behavior for LEO.

It's really funny and yes that girl got indeed what she deserves . it was a really nice move from that cop lol
not sure where this came from , probably USA or something , maybe that logo "12" or whatever helps you out

I just saw this somewhere else and some people were saying that the Cop is not to be blamed here  And that she deserved it.

I personally feel even though she did kick him first, as an officer of the law he should have just charged her with hitting a police officer but he decides to kick her in the head and seeing that just makes me wanna bash his head with a bat until I crack his skull open. 

So.. what do you guys think? And any idea where did this actually happen, any news on this, was he fired or not?