Topic: Nullian Self-Moderation Policy (Read 495 times)

My reply to OgNasty is below.  First, apropos the topic of this thread, I should file this here for reference:




Of course, this provided another banned user the opportunity to lie about the posts that I deleted:

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Nullius - you deleted 23 of ibminers posts? (I know the last 2 are mine).

You've decided to turn right into cryptohunter, apparently.

Your first posts on the forum provided an injection of knowledge relevant to the main subjects of the forum, but then you became completely obsessed with starting witch hunts against everybody who had crossed you in the past.

What happened?

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Quote from: OgNasty on April 09, 2021, 07:40:40 PM

Quote from: nullius on November 25, 2020, 08:26:14 PM

I review these things from time to time.  Upon review, OgNasty is provisionally removed from the ban list.

Cool.  I didn't know this list existed but it's nice to be let out of time out.  If you'd remove your trust rating pointing to a bunch of incorrect information posted to make it seem like I lost 2000 BTC in user funds when not a single user involved stated they lost so much as a satoshi, that'd be nice.  Thanks.

I will reply at some length, because I actually take this stuff seriously.  After the ponderous first paragraph, it gets—interesting; please bear with me here:

Upon a brief review, including a review of positive and negative feedback you have received from various persons in my trust network, I am provisionally neutralizing the “scammer” tag; my reasoning to keep a tag is similar to V8s’ neutral tag.  My reference link for negative feedback was made by someone whom I have come to distrust; and to assure that evidence was presented fairly, I don’t have time to review judiciously all the years of flamewars evidence, counter-evidence, and argumentation spread across hundreds—perhaps thousands of pages on dozens—perhaps hundreds of threads, none of which saw my contemporaneous involvement.  Thus although in due candor, I must note that I personally don’t trust you (trust nobody), I cannot now support the red tag that I previously made; and I must maintain my standards for issuing feedback.  N.b. that most of my negative feedback is based either on events that I saw occur at the time, or on evidence that I reviewed very carefully.

The troll tag was based primarily on actions that you have discontinued.  Actually, you have been a gentleman about that lately.

On a probably-not-totally-unrelated note, I heartily agree with some of what you have said about your departed friend, whom I myself disliked.  When I belatedly heard about that in mid-March, I did not crash his funeral to criticize him—and I also did not feign a sudden friendliness toward him, which I found as deplorable as you did.  We will all leave this forum someday—either whilst alive, or by dying; and for my part, I will haunt and curse to a thousand hells anyone who mistreated me while I was alive, but pretends otherwise when I am dead.  For what is worse than an enemy is a false friend!

I have been intending to reply to these wise words; I 1000% agree, from my perspective of not being TECSHARE’s friend:

Quote from: OgNasty on March 25, 2021, 05:06:33 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on March 25, 2021, 04:44:00 PM

You trolling him while he was alive and then saying nice things once he's dead isn't honorable or respectful, it's delusional and self serving.  So while you call me continuing to support TECSHARE after his death narcissistic, I would say you trolling him endlessly while he was alive to then go and pretend you had a positive relationship after his death is typical of the type of manipulative fake person you are.

My will:  Your only chance to be my friend is while I am alive—and it requires my agreement.  If you miss that, then it is too late—don’t you dare say anything “nice” about me!  You don’t deserve to, you two-faced liar:  To praise me, to mourn me, and to celebrate my life is an honour reserved exclusively for my friends, who were my friends while I was alive.

I had intended to make my own thread about that (without mentioning TECSHARE by name), before I saw OgNasty’s above-quoted post.  The self-aggrandizing social game around TECSHARE’s death was sick.  If I die tomorrow, I hope that someone like OgNasty will have the balls to stand up and denounce all the scum who will pop up with mealy-mouthed platitudes:  “Oh, we had our differences; but he was so very smart, and I always really liked him.”  —Fuck you.  Burn in Hell.

OgNasty, I honestly do not care that TECSHARE died.^*  I do not say that to offend you, but because it is the truth:  There are billions of people in this world, and they all die; why would I be sad about the death of someone whom I disliked?  However, I understand that he was your friend; and I respect your efforts both to defend his reputation, and say “fuck you” on his behalf to false sympathy from disgusting cowards who hated his guts (except when he gave suchmoon an excuse to ~ me—which suchmoon loved, because she is a two-faced opportunist).  It is decent and loyal of you, especially because it is thankless:  Most (living) people will only criticize you for that.

—Anyway, I have been intending to remove the troll tag.  Done.

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* A few months ago, I said somewhere that I hoped that nothing really bad happened to him.  I meant that sincerely; and what I had in mind was something I always have in the back of my mind with anonymous Bitcoiners in a world fraught with injustice.

Cool.  I didn't know this list existed but it's nice to be let out of time out.  If you'd remove your trust rating pointing to a bunch of incorrect information posted to make it seem like I lost 2000 BTC in user funds when not a single user involved stated they lost so much as a satoshi, that'd be nice.  Thanks.

Policy updated.  I remind banned users that ban evasion will not be tolerated.

Note to self:  #234771 “suchmoon” believes that ban evasion is an acceptable means of responding to being personally banned from a venue.

I review these things from time to time.  Upon review, OgNasty is provisionally removed from the ban list.  In the past, he has made a meritorious post on one of my self-moderated threads; and as a practical matter, I think that he probably knows more about real-world usage of cryptography than suchmoon does (definitely more than nutildah does!), though that is damning with faint praise.  Therefore, I do not wish to place a prior restraint on his participation in my self-moderated threads—just as long as he does not behave as a total ass with his.

The ban list is not intended to be a list of people whom I distrust and/or dislike, which would be far too long to fit into a forum post.

Idiots who think it’s cool to show some sort of petty defiance against a self-moderated thread’s clearly stated local rules:

Pro tip suchmoon:  Mentions of you may be intended primarily for others, not for you.  Although this mention was for you, so that you could take notice of my threads’ local rules, and obey them.


What, are the two of you eight years old?  Will you next blow me a raspberry and say, “nyah, nyah”?  You are as bad as cryptohunter, TECSHARE, hacker1001101001, and Vispilio.

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Anyone who considers posting in self-moderated threads run by these users should take notice:  suchmoon and nutildah trash posts that respect their threads’ local rules, but gleefully show off their total disrespect for the rules set by others.

reserved

Reserved for moderation log:  I want to make a listing of posts that I have deleted, but haven’t had the time to gather and format the information.  I also question whether it is a good idea.  Arguable.

I have been intending to do this for awhile.  Writing a growing list of rules into the OP of each self-moderated thread is growing tiresome; and it is unmaintainable.  It is better to create one reference to link.

Edited 2020-12-07 with #4 below, and another edit soon to come.

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Current Ban List (last updated 2021-04-10)

If your name is here, do not post on any of my self-moderated threads (unless it is a Reputation accusation thread against you):

Vispilio, peloso, OgNasty^**, suchmoon^*, cryptohunter and his known or suspected alts, Timelord2067, hacker1001101001, KingScorpio, Hyena, nutildah^*, Dire“Wolf”M14 bin Kalb.

Note:  There is no appeal to this decision; and this hereby thread is not an “accusation thread”.  If your name is on this list, do not post on this thread!

* Liberals banned for deleting from a self-moderated thread either (a) my response to an accusation thread against me, or (b) an on-topic, reasonably civil post by me in Politics & Society.

** See update.

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Rules

0. Exception to these rules:  If I raise an accusation on a self-moderated Reputation thread, then the accused shall always be accorded a fair and reasonable right of reply.  The qualifier is only a precaution against the possibility of a troll using troll tactics to attempt to derail a thread.  I will always err to the side of letting the accused speak on his own behalf.  I think that my record speaks for me here, insofar as I have opened a number of self-moderated accusations, and never yet deleted a post by the accused—even posts that were personally insulting, or even defamatory towards me.

1. My self-moderated threads are moderated at my sound discretion.  I reserve the right to exercise authoritarian control over them (which I always say, but I never seem to do...).

2. Subject to #1 above and #3 below, I do not generally wield self-moderation on the basis simply of personal dislike for the author of a post.  (If I did, then the majority of all “people” would be forbidden from my self-moderated threads.)  Thus, even if you have had an argument with me, you should not be worried that I would axe your hard work if you make what (in my judgment) is a thoughtful, on-topic, reasonably civil post on one of my self-moderated threads.

3. If, simply from personal dislike for me, you ever delete from one of your self-moderated threads a post by me that is on-topic and reasonably civil, then subject to the above-stated exception, you shall be categorically permabanned from my self-moderated threads.  This ban may be applied retroactively, at my discretion.

4. If you have ever publicly announced that you have me on your ignore list, then you are banned from my self-moderated threads; and your posts will be deleted without comment.  You should know who you are; I need not provide a list.  I did not think to make this rule before, because it seems obvious:  If you have me ignore-listed, then how are you reading my OP, let alone replying thereto?  Logic error.  Anyway, a public announcement that you have punished me with the Almighty Ignore List is a conceit that overestimates the value of your readership.  I would ban you from reading my posts, if I could; I can’t, but I can ban you from replying to them in self-moderated threads.  Thus, you shall not post in my self-moderated threads; and I will try to avoid contributing to yours (even if not self-moderated), unless an overriding public interest is served by my making a post there, e.g., to protect others from potential harm.  Bye.

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This list of rules will be edited.

This thread is not really intended for discussion.