Topic: NYAN/BMF/CPA CLAIMS (latest news in post #45) (Read 7132 times)

I can confirm I have received the lists.

I'll work on importing the assets that are in the market tonight and tomorrow.

Cheers.

I have red the other discussion, until now I did not know which one to trust. But if you believe CPA or NYAN.C have a value of 1 BTC, you get noncredible to me. You simply want to quarrel with usagi, you can get these values only at the expense of other shareholders like me.

You can liquidate all that for 1 BTC per every share. Send me 184 BTC, you have the address.
Thank you.
 

I had a total of 16 different shares on GLBSE. I traded with a robot, once every 10 minutes.

Until now I got 7 confirmations from share issuers, and the informations about the quantity of my shares have been correct always.

So from my view the lists from Nefario seem to be quite accurate.

Additionally, many investors have requested that I personally and manually liquidate their shares on their behalf. As you can see, I've been hard at work contacting shareholders and trying to let them know what is going on. If I have to now make them register on BTCT.CO I think that would upset many people. I don't think it is an unreasonable request to let me manage the share distribution entirely manually if I give the lists to burnside anyway, as all transactions are on record and the shares are locked from trading. If I were to do anything nefarious it would be immediately apparent.

This is just what I've received in the last couple of days:

Claim #8:
Hello,
I believe you have ... shares.
... is a clearcut 0.01 BTC each, guaranteed.
... is ... 1 BTC (per share)...
Did you want to trade some of these for BMF?

Claim #13:
Hello, Thank you for your hard work, I really appreciate your doing the right thing. I would like my assets to be liquidated, and sent to: ...
Thanks, and Merry Christmas!

Claim #21:
Please liquidate my assets @ 1 BTC per share.
Thank you.

Claim #28:
Please liquidate it.
Address:...

Claim #9:
Hi, Usagi  I want to liquidate all my assets, you can send payments
to address above - ...
Merry Christmas to you and your family )

Claimant G.:
I so appreciate the efforts you are making to try to get this mess
straightened out.   I had "invested" the bulk of over a year's worth of
mining profits in GLBSE.
I actually thought I was doing rather well to only be down 8% or so at the
time. Hehe

Claim #2 (holds 22% of NYAN.A)
Thank you for processing the NYAN.A claims. For the record, from what I
remember I also had ### shares of NYAN.B and ### shares of NYAN.C at the
time that GLBSE went down. According to your message I will probably be
receiving letters confirming the other holdings as long as they made it
onto Nefario's lists.

At present I do not really have enough information to make a clear decision
on whether to accept the BMF shares or have them liquidated and accept the
bitcoin. Although I followed the threads at the Bitcoin Forums where you
were releasing news regarding the NYAN assets, I did not investigate each
entity that NYAN held. I was investing in the NYAN assets as a sort of
speculative mutual fund where I did not necessarily need to track each
individual holding. In other words, I am not familiar with BMF, what it
does, whether it is still a viable entity, or what its market value might
be in the future.

Therefore, unless I can gather more information on BMF and be convinced
that it has a reasonable chance of appreciating in value, I would probably
be better off exercising the liquidation option and simply accepting the
bitcoin. The liquidated value can be sent to the same bitcoin address that
I used to file the claim at GLBSE and is in your original message:
...

At any rate, I am grateful for your efforts to resolve this whole mess
after the unexpected closure of GLBSE. I had nearly written off my original
investment of 500 BTC as a total loss when I went back to the forum about a
week ago and discovered that Nefario was actually beginning to send out
payments again and was compiling lists of the asset holdings. On December
12 I finally received a payment of 30 BTC, presumably from Nefario because
GLBSE was the only place where I had posted my bitcoin address. This was
not a full payment; as I recall, I had about 40-45 BTC on my account at
GLBSE when the site went down, but at least I have managed to recover most
of it. If I can also manage to recover most of the approximately 500 BTC I
had tied up in the NYAN assets, this would be very good news indeed.

Claimant B.:
Hi there,
... My wallet address is:  ...
Please confirm receipt and let me know if you need anything else.  Thanks!
Regards,
B.

Claimant V.:
Greetings,
...
Thanks,
V.
Oh also, I PM'd you long ago about YARR and bumped many of your threads
with positive stuff on the forums if that lends any credibility.

Think you misunderstand what I'm saying.

List you got from nefario has a load of items each of which is a number of shares, email address and BTC account.

You don't want to give shares to certain people on that list.

So just remove the entries for those people.  If you're concerned abut being accused of fraud over it then remember that the end result is exactly same as if you MANUALLY give everyone except those people shares - just without the chances for operator error.

If you htink it somehow helps then send burnside the full list AND a second list (to import) with the ones you don't want to have shares removed.  Or ask him to remove certain email addresses before processing.

I'm just suggesting how you can save yourself time, save investors hassle, avoid the possibility of an investor not getting shares if your email to them somehow gets overlooked/blocked by a spam filter (or they don't check it for ages) etc.

I asn't suggesting what you're proposing to do was fraudulent (it's not unless you intend to keep shares if your emails aren't replied to) - it's just horribly inefficient and exposes you to risks you don't need to take.  It's like you're intentionally picking the slowest most inefficient way to get shares into accounts associated with investors' email addresses.

Not even sure what you think burnside can do with the lists if you don't want him to import the shares : reason he needs them for companies relisting on BTC.CO is so as to automatically create accounts for each investor with correct number of shares in, then email them the login details for it so they can assume control of the shares.

Are you joking?

Are you suggesting I alter the lists nefario gave me? Do you realize the shitstorm that would cause if I did that?

YOU would probably turn around and accuse me of fraud.

You know, this is supposed to be, essentially, a fund -- i.e. a passthru business. If the stocks we invested in go down I lose the money I get from it, you know? I only held 5% of shares as management fee and the only god damn money I got from this was from the profits distributed from dividends. The point here is that I want to look after my own interests as well as those of my shareholders because our interests are aligned.

Every time you said I did something deceitful, every time eskimobob said I was misrepresenting NAV, every time anyone said I was scamming, they seem to forget the only person I could have been scamming was myself. Now you suggest I edit the lists that nef gave me before I give them to burnside. That's insane, even in a normal situation. I cannot create a fraudulent list any more than I could not create a fraudulent list of shareholders, which is why I did NOTHING to process claims until I got a full list from Nefario.

Why can't everyone see I am just trying to do what is normal and right? It's because of what you said, Deprived. You, EskimoBob, deeplink and Puppet. You have people actually believing I knew patrick harnett ripped people off in kraken before pirate crashed. You have people believing that I knew hashking lied about his guarantee and that he really had all the money in pirate. You guys claim that I misrepresented the NAVs of what we invested in despite the fact it was in the contract we would add value via analysis AND we provided two valiation columns, one with data pulled DIRECTLY from GLBSE. AND*** we ran shareholder motions authorizing us to do this. What is your god damn problem? Do you realize how badly YOU screwed this up? YOU personally, not to mention the others?

And on it goes. You know what I seriously don't care anymore. If I can't distribute assets manually, I don't care! It's your fault I cannot do that. If the value of the company goes down because patrick harnett and hashking (and others) ripped us off and we also have to give them a peice of our company on top of that well whoop de do, the power to do the right thing was removed from me. The damage you did to me is probably irreversable. And you yourself admitted you have no proof. So did puppet. And guruvan. And EskimoBob posting out of date lists. And diablo not recognizing my e-mail address in his list. And on and on.

U know, Theymos AND badbear have both told me they will never issue a statement or close the scammer threads against me, in theymos's case he said it was because he could not prove a negative (that I was not a scammer). Guilty until proven innocent. That's me, the scammer without a tag.

You could always give him the lists and first remove those who there are issues with (i.e. those who owe you funds) - then you can subsequently manually transfer to them shares if necessary.  Ones like namworld you're negotiating with aren't a problem - as they can transfer the shares back if you make a deal.

Key is to get all the smaller, undisputed, ones into the system - otherwise you're left unable to do any distributions whilst you wait for them all to respond to your emails (plus you still have to then do something with their shares - as you know their email address and BTC address you can hardly just return the shares to treasury).  Plus doing it through burnside removes several nasty possibilities - like someone spoofing someone else's email address in an email to you to get you to send to wrong account on BTC.CO.

Burnside has been given the complete asset lists from Nefario.

I've advised him that I should handle the distributions manually as several customers have already requested liquidation, and some other customers owe us money (like patrick harnett) and still other customers are in negotiations with us for value exchanges -- such as Namworld & friends whom we are discussing right now if an asset exchange is in the best interest of our companies.

I'll post here again when burnside gets back to me on what he is going to do with those lists. If they are processed automatically there may be some issues with scammers like Patrick Harnett, etc. receiving too many shares. Dunno, we will see what happens.

all BMF shareholders have been sent the following:

Dear BMF participant;

I have (as of December 21st) received a complete and final list from Nefario and I am now in a position to begin distributing assets, liquidating holdings, and making final payments.

BTCT.CO has graciously agreed to let us list -- temporarily and with restrictions -- so that I may shut this down in an orderly fashion. You will be able to sell your shares back to me or trade them back to me for shares in the companies we held and/or bitcoins as appropriate. Funds raised from the sale of assets will be paid out as dividend until there is nothing left in the company, at which point it will be removed by burnside and this will signal that my obligation has been completed.

The following is your CLAIM NUMBER for BMF. This number will be used in any public disclosure to identify you without revealing your personal information.

Claim No.   
Participant:   
Address:   
# of BMF   
% of BMF   

-----

My only goal here is to do the right thing by transferring assets and value to you, and then shut down the company.

You have until the end of January, 2013, to register on BTCT.CO, request liquidation. Or just wait and your shares will be liquidated and you will receive a final payout.

Happy holidays.

I'm happy to announce we have received another payment of 20 bitcoins!

I'm not sure which asset it represents (no one has said they were going to pay us 20 bitcoins) so I think it's another payment from GLBSE. In such a case we're looking in excellent shape right now. Quite a number of companies are listing on btct.co and bitfunder and I can propose a very tentative, very loose estimate of 0.25 bitcoins per. However, there won't be any shares listed for sale there until after I finish collecting assets and moving the bitcoins we receive into the account and determine what the actual value of these shares will be. Once that is determined I can finally start liquidating shares as some investors have made that request (see previous post; -L means they've requested liquidation so far).

Record of NYAN.A's holdings of BMF distributed NYAN.A holders. This represents a partial payment towards the full 1 bitcoin value per share you will receive as a NYAN.A participant once assets are collected and a market value is established on btct.co and/or bitfunder. You are advised to respond to the e-mail before the end of January or I reserve the right to liquidate your holdings and send to the address on record.

#   Email   Payment address   Balance      BMF SHARES
1   -   -   9,044   -   
2-L   -   -   200   20.92%   214
3   -   -   160   16.74%   171
4   -   -   100   10.46%   107
5   -   -   100   10.46%   107
6   -   -   100   10.46%   107
7   -   -   50   5.23%   53
8   -   -   40   4.18%   42
9-L   -   -   30   3.14%   32
10   -   -   27   2.82%   28
11   -   -   25   2.62%   26
12   -   -   21   2.20%   22
13   -   -   20   2.09%   21
14   -   -   17   1.78%   18
15   -   -   10   1.05%   10
16   -   -   10   1.05%   10
17   -   -   9   0.94%   9
18   -   -   8   0.84%   8
19   -   -   6   0.63%   6
20   -   -   5   0.52%   5
21   -   -   5   0.52%   5
22   -   -   4   0.42%   4
23   -   -   2   0.21%   2
24   -   -   2   0.21%   2
25   -   -   2   0.21%   2
26   -   -   1   0.10%   1
27   -   -   1   0.10%   1
28-L   -   -   1   0.10%   1

There is now no reason whatsoever why usagi shouldn't pay back EskimoBob.

usagi has to pay back EskimoBob before January 1st 2013. If he fails to do so, this is a clear case of scamming.

This is a community-approved decision.

Are you gone completely insane? Only reason my name was NOT on that damn list on day one, was the 1.6? BTC double payment. I discovered it when James told me about it and it was sent back promptly. Doh...  By that time, your had posted multiple lies about me and even started a scam accusations threads about me and others.

By who? You? Santa? Who?

And wtf is "BAKEWELL contract" and how am I even connected to that?
Dude, you need to calm down and think, before you post another pile of garbage on the forum that qualifies as defamation.

Only person, who has caused any damage to your reputation and your investors is you, usagi. You published half-truths about your previous experience, your holdings, share value, contracts etc. As of now, those posts are all deleted by you! You troll yourself with those hysterical rants of yours, where your so desperately dragging my name into. If you need someone to blame, please, take a look at the mirror.
Here is a hint... this guy looking back at you, ain't me

Non sequitur.


No, you're going to get something, just minus a community approved amount for the financial damages you've caused the company. There are other issues at stake here besides obvious financial damages such as the BAKEWELL contract -- for example, have you returned your double payment from Nefario? Why should I pay you full value for your shares when your actions have directly harmed every other shareholder of BMF? Why would I pay you for what you have already been paid for? This will be the gist of what I'll be going to the community with when I propose that you be docked a fair price for the damage you've caused.

Because you have a bad habit deleting thousands of posts, I'll make a copy of this rubbish.
I guess now you are admitting, that all those moronic scam accusations about me are just you lying to everyone in this forum. Wow.
Usagi, you problem is that I have not lied about any of the crap you have pulled. On the other hand, you have plastered countless baseless lies, that qualify as defamation, all over this forum. Do you understand, that even your imaginary lawyer wants to see what you have done. Good luck with that.

Do not blame your stupidity on me or anyone else, who have pointed out multiple times, that you are on the wrong track and your half-truths are not working. You lied about NAV (just as a example) and so on is all over this forum. Did I lost ~8000K BTC investors money? No, usagi, it was you! Your utter incompetence and your arrogance are to blame. You did not respond to warnings. You called everyone an idiot and kept going. And here we are now. YOU are scamming me out of my shares.
On top of all that, you have deleted over 1000 of your posts, that reeked of bs. Lets not forget that.

EskimoBob - Possibly lied about owning YARR - this is pure slander
EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. - Good example of your delusions and baseless lies.
Puppet - Malicious Criminal Libel - defamation, fell flat on your face like ones before.
[utl=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.0]EskimoBob is a scammer, witness reports inside[/url]  you started your pathetic crusade and it blew up on your face.   

WTF!

Bring it on, asshat.

I'm probably not going to pay you or return your shares -- at least not without taking reparations for the damages you've caused my business. I've been in contact with an internet defamation lawyer for a couple of weeks now. I've already demonstrated defamation and financial damages. The main problem I face is jurisdiction; and therefore $$$. It's expensive. In your it might not be -- I have your hushmail address now, which is hosted in Canada (small world ehh) so I don't need to go through Theymos. That will end up saving me $1000 or so.

I'm still thinking how to proceed but whatever decision will involve a community-approved decision, so don't even bother whining about this, I'm just telling you what is going to happen and that it's out of your hands. I am going to assign a value to the damages you've caused me, which is at least the value of the BAKEWELL contract, and deduct that value from what you are owed. If you don't like this, my advice is that you issue an apology. Please understand, this isn't an issue of proving what you are owed; that's well known, and I've already demonstrated financial damages. It's similar to how Patrick Harnett and Hashking aren't going to get paid (or will get deductions) from the various businesses they invested in. Patrick Harnett had something like 10,000 shares of CPA -- but he owes CPA something like 100 or 150 bitcoins. So I will be deducting from him as well. It's just like that. No biggie. You fucked up, now you have to pay the price.

It is NOT okay that I have been called a fraud and a scam artist. It is NOT okay that you have said some of the things you have said, EskimoBob. I have a VERY good defamation case against quite a few people here. It's just expensive to pursue, that's all. So good luck EskimoBob -- my advice to you is to issue an apology and then DROP IT. It's not a threat -- it will become your defense. That's all. I'm going to do what I'm going to do. You go do what you need to do. The end.

Make sure you browse to it in the market and unlock it.  Voting cannot begin until it is unlocked. 

LOL and I thought usagi and DiabloD3 were partners in crime buddies.

  usagi, NYAN, BMF do not own DMC shares

Ouch!

Thank you for the email.
I think you need to start typing that apology letter for all the baseless lies you have spread about me in your forum posts. You know, those where you state for fact, that I lie about holding shares in one of those disasters of yours.

Start typing usagi and do not even thing about spinning some new crap in to your apology letter.

Update:
Form letters of the following ilk have been sent out to all NYAN.A participants of record:

OK.

We have new "complete" lists from Nefario, which include ALL investors. Some bitcoin addresses have been with-held ("contact for address") but I do now have all e-mails for everyone. Thank goodness I've waited until now to begin paying out claims ^^

I've applied to re-list on bitfunder and btct.co. if/when we get listed I will be sending out the relevant information to all shareholders.

There are substantial assets on these exchanges already more than 100 bitcoins in assets on bitfunder and probably twice that on btct.co already.

The current plan is to run a motion on the future direction of the company. The motion will last until January 27th (if and when we get listed). At that point we will either liquidate what we have, or continue paying monthly dividends. In that case I will be talking with a lawyer on incorporation, because investing is something I found I enjoyed doing.

This is really starting to look like I'll be able to finally get all the right things done. Thanks for your patience.

New and updated list are going out tonight so be ready to recalculate the stuff.
At least this is what I was told.

Ask him for details of the guy/company he reported.  I asked him about this ages ago (wanted to avoid the scenario where he kept the money but was able to avoid a scammer tag by refusing to provide information), and quoted his reply (so it was there if he went on a deleting spree):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1189273

Key is he said "I will provide all details I have in the event of default, and I would leave it up to individual investors whether they wish to pursue the issue".

Doubt he'll provide anything of use - but at least then you can write those shares off totally, having tried.

If I can't get a copy of the police report or a confirmation some other way that Obsi really did what he said he did (report the guy to the police) then we may have a problem. The big deal here is that Obsi said he got involved with a chain of payday loan outlets. So it's a chain, great, they must have a public face. it's quite possible that a franchise outlet flopped; in that case then it's just a failed investment. But if it's a case where he got ripped off, I deserve to know that now, and if he ran with the money I hope to find that out too.

CPA: 676 shares of OBSI.HRPT
BMF: 1871 shares of OBSI.HRPT
NYAN: 8218 shares of OBSI.HRPT

For the record, we bought in when he bought back over 5,000 shares after the first crash. I saw him do it. However, the selling continued after that and it crashed again. For the record, it was a lucky speculation on the part of the people who sold. Around half the shares we own were purchased at 0.05 and below. So to me it appears Obsi didn't know what happened, and it does not make sense that he would buy back so many shares on his own cash if it was all a scam. But who knows, it's something that will come out later I guess.

Hi usagi

I believe that, at collapse time you were holding considerable amounts of Obsi.HRPT. Any idea what has happened to him? Or are these just a write off?

Are you persuing Obsi? Or maybe at least a scammer tag.

Through a mathematical trick I have been able to separate my shares from company shares from unissued shares. It works like this:

For CPA the figures look something like this:

LAST KNOWN OUTSTANDING SHARES      37,000   (*A, estimate)
SUM OF ALL SHARES EXCEPT USAGI'S      27,365   (*B, known)
USAGI'S SHARES PLUS UNCLAIMED SHARES      9,635   (=A-B)
TOTAL AS LISTED BY GLBSE      993,175   
AVAILABLE (TOTAL ISSUE)      1,000,000   
UNCLAIMED      6,825   
(USAGI'S PLUS UNCLAIMED) MINUS UNCLAIMED      2,810   9.3123%
A - B + Usagi's (CLAIMED TOTAL)      30,175   

I will be basing distributions on the CLAIMED TOTAL. The essential meaning is that unclaimed shares will be evenly divided among claimants. The remaining problem is what to do in a case such as when CPA owned 800 BMF. It's simple. The value of 800 BMF shares will be applied to CPA before CPA is liquidated.

I will be processing the liquidation in the following order:
YARR (since it's so small) will be paid out in bitcoins first (there's like 5 bitcoins left to pay, or something like that).
Then BMF will be liquidated since it was a major holding of CPA and NYAN
Then NYAN since it helf BMF and was held by CPA,
then CPA since it will have no remaining major holdings (and will therefore be easy to deal with).

Any questions?

Looking at the amount of information I have to wade through, I've decided to (attempt) to appoint a liquidator.

It works like this: The liquidator will, simply, contact all of the asset issuers that were invested in (the liquidator will receive a list of assets and shares), and obtain the status and location of our investments. The liquidator will collect this information in one place, so that I may begin selling or assigning our holdings as appropriate. Upon completion the liquidator will receive the greater of 50% of my share (I was a majority shareholder in both BMF and CPA) and $500 US. I had around 800 shares of BMF and hundreds of shares in my other companies so I am guessing it would be in that range anyway.

If no one sends me a PM I'll be wading through it over the next couple of weeks. It's just so depressing.

Qualifications would include a good OTC rating and/or having issued an asset before.

Guess I'll wait for your email then, I've already done it for another of my assets.
Thank you for keeping us updated.

I've received the lists from Nefario. I spent a couple hours today going over them and reformatting them for easier processing and so on and so forth. While I'll make a more better announcement later here are my initial thoughts.

1. I did not receive enough information to adequately process these lists.
First, the lists do not differentiate between unissued shares in an issuing account, and privately bought shares in a personal account. This is exceedingly bad. For example, I am listed as the top shareholder in the 90-95% category on almost every list. Thankfully, I had published the approximate number of outstanding shares before GLBSE shut down, so it is reasonable for me to assume that the actual number of outstanding shares was not greater than the largest number published before the shutdown. There will likely be a small error here. Unfortunately I don't have a csv file, which is probably what should have been sent instead of merely a list. But anyway, there is enough information to do 99% of what needs to be done in that area so no humungous problem here (but something to be aware of).

2. Unclaimed shares -- observations, thoughts
In most cases, unclaimed shares (shares which were owned by people who did not go through the GLBSE claims process, or who did not return double payments) were under 1%. There were some notable exceptions, such as NYAN.C shareholders. This is actually a very, very bad problem for a couple reasons. I will decide what to do about this later but here is what I am thinking:

a) People who are not on the list might not be on the list because they did not return a double payment.
This is big. People who did not return a double payment are, as of this moment, officially scammers. First, this class of people has already effectively received some of their money back on their claim; further, a part of the money they received would have otherwise gone to the companies I am liquidating. This has the net effect of reducing the value of all shareholder's claims.

b) Some people on the list have also claimed privately, causing a double claims problem.
I realize some people did this accidentally. However this is one of the reasons why I asked people to e-mail me. So I could more easily detect double claims. However, several people have ignored my request and PM'd me and given me deposit addresses which do not appear on the list. This is a huge problem, also because of c) below.

c) Some people not on the list have issued fraudulent claims.
Some people, aware that there are unclaimed shares, may attempt to claim shares they do not have title to.

d) People who are not on the list might not be on the list because they are criminals/avoiding AML.
This may be considered a minor reason by some. Granted, but I will note it. I will also note that NYAN.C is unique among all companies with 20% (!) unclaimed shares. Now that is interesting, but I won't speculate on the meaning. I'm sure you can do that yourself.

So where am I going with all this? Well, since the unclaimed shares are pretty much less than 1% across the board, this tells me two things... one, there isn't a significant investor anywhere in my companies which did not claim their shares. So basically people who have, for whatever reason, decided not to claim with the GLBSE, have written off (via that claims process) a very small amount of money; probably between ten and fifty dollars or so in value per investor. Second, it is a known that the value of people who have not returned double sends from Nefario approaches this value on a per-investor basis; for example, EskimoBob, a well-known troll, has advertised that he owned shares of my companies and that he has not returned his double send; therefore it makes sense to me to cancel all unclaimed shares. There is no need to vote on this action, as it benefits 99% of the shareholders of every company; I simply cannot be bothered to worry about someone who is afraid or unwilling to claim $50 on GLBSE, or who is whining because they got an extra 10 bitcoins in a double send from Nefario and then turns around and whines because they're not getting even more money they don't deserve from me.

However, I do recognize the fact that some people who (a) did not receive (or who did return) a double payment are not on the list, or (b) did not make double (fraudulent) claims, or who (d) are not criminals, are not on the list. This leaves (c), people who did not issue fraudulent claims. Unfortunately, these people are screwed and will not receive anything from this claims process. However there's an out. If you have no reason not to make a claim and simply don't want to, then do this:

1. Create an anonymous account, say on hotmail.

2. Make the claim anonymously

3. Deal with your asset issuer anonymously in that regard.

If you cannot even do this, I feel that there is just too much risk to the other shareholders and I will not be processing claims otherwise.

On that note, I have received updated lists for yarr and some other companies that include new claimants that have either done something like 1-3 above, or who have returned double spends. So there is really no excuse for not having your name on the list anymore. How do you know if you're on the list? Everyone on the list will receive a claim ticket ID number in the next week or so. Then I will publish all the lists in the format COMPANY TICKET #, No. Shares, and % of ownership of company. This will be your proof of ownership.

How can I prove these numbers are accurate and I am not inflating my own shares? Because I published the outstanding shares totals before the shutdown.

How can I prove I am not dicking people by pretending they're not on the list? If you do not receive a ticket in the next seven days, contact me. Maybe I made a mistake. if I didn't, there are 2 things: 1. If you're on other lists and not mine, contact nefario. 2. if you still feel the situation is unresolved, I can and will let theymos or whoever have access to my special hotmail account I set up for this. They will be able to see the .yml files and judge if I am bullshitting or not. A final point to make about that, I will not release any other information publicly nor will I answer any questions regarding how I am dispersing assets. I will only state that X people have been paid, or X% has been paid, or whatever. I've learned from my mistake of being too transparent and having dickless trolls like EskimoBob, deeplink, deprived and puppet causing trouble for me. So too bad. If you don't like it, ask theymos to permaban those four people and I'd be happy to post all the info you could ever dream about who owns what (non-personal info only of course). That's just how it's going to be, so don't get upset, I'm just telling you what's going to happen so the trolls don't bitch and while I said one thing and did another.

Again, given that the GLBSE claims process appears to be working as intended (less than 0.5% unclaimed shares in some companies), albeit a little slowly, I feel there is zero excuse for not following it. So if you don't make your claim with GLBSE, I'm afraid you are going to be out of luck.

I will also be contacting a certain gentleman who threatened me shortly and made the (really stupid mistake) of mentioning what I owe him. Guess what loser, I know who you are and you will pay for what you said to me. And the community is going to know who you are too. Have fun with that.

I have also been away from BTC community for a while. So it's only know I've come back to find out for sure that Nefario actually is somewhat helping to fix the situation he put so many of us in.

I am aware I owned a few of your shares Usagi, yes Nyan was one of them. I could well own others, I have a bad memory and don't recall the history of who is behind them anymore.
As I said I am also aware I owned a few others (I don't know what the "etc" is), can list your assets, which I can claim with you?

A forum member here (I forget) made a google chrome plugin that used the GLBSE api to keep track of all my shares on my account, I used it and found it very useful. I took screenshots of what the numbers were for all my stocks I had, since apparently the API was either active or the plugin cached result even after Nefario took down the site. So I have what as far as I am aware was the final tally when GLBSE went down.

So is that acceptable evidence to prove what I owe? outside of email and btc address of course.
It has a list of the total, as well as recent transactions, dividends paid etc everything.

I've received some new lists, yes. If you are on them you will get an email before the end of January.

Usagi, did receive the updated list?
I like to finish this up and move on.

Good news!  

http://blog.glbse.com/asset-lists

NYAN owned most of the active issues on the GLBSE. A lot of people have decided to "go into hiding". What I plan to do is get in contact with as many asset issuers as possible and try to give everyone a balanced mix of BTC, good shares and unclaimable shares.

So like if you had 100 shares of NYAN.B you will likely get something like 30 bitcoins, 30 shares of something good and 30 shares of crap. I really don't know. So far I have access to 300 shares of BTC-MINING which is going to be a saving grace, 2000 shares of BITCOINRS, and a few others. We had something like 35,000 shares of SATOSHIDICE too, 35,000 shares of BITVPS, etc etc.

It may take months but I'm planning to chew through the whole list.

Yeah I filed the claim process on GLBSE , I'm not all that worried about anonymity. We'll know when the Nyan lists hit your desk what's there or missing. I'll wait till you personally have something to work with.

It's nice to see something start to work even if it's a snail pace on nefario's end.

Are most of the holdings of the NYAN class just shutting down or going away? have they moved or migrated to other exchanges? Are you going to keep doing a NYAN style system elsewhere?

LOL, is that a fact or just a fiction?

Uhh well for one, I have no reason to call him. He's sent me the YARR shareholders list, I have no reason to assume he will not send me the other lists.

If you feel you should be on the lists then that's your problem. Go call him yourself. Why should I do your work for you?

What is your lame excuse for not calling Nefario yourself? You do not have a phone? Time zone? No number? LOL! How fkn incompetent and helpless are you?

I know what we had. The problem isn't contacting the asset issuers; I have all their contact info and will be preparing a full list of what we had.

The problem is there's no one to give the money to. The claims process has 2 parts:

1. I'm waiting for the list of nyan and cpa and bmf shareholders from nefario.
2. I'm accepting second-class claims in e-mail (send your claim to [email protected]).

If your name does not appear on the list I am given, you should try to get in contact with nefario.... Unfortunately he himself says the lists are incomplete. I'll be thinking about what to do in that case. I just can't risk someone coming to me and saying they had 30 shares of NYAN.A when the truth is they didn't. We've already seen an example of someone who can call up nefario on the phone, chat him up, and get inside info on what he is doing. And yet that person doesn't have the means to call nefario back and ask him why he isn't on the list. So it is of the utmost importance you file a claim on GLBSE.

If you prefer anonymity, do what I did. Create an anonymous hotmail account and issue your claim from there. But if you don't at least do this, I cannot verify your claim.

That being said there is likely to be some unclaimed shares. I'll probably give half the unclaimed shares to the second-class claimants.

As posted the deadline for all claims is the end of January, 2013.

So the thing to do is simply wait for the NYAN lists to be sent to you that you may in fact contact us by email. That's fine. No rush anyhow.

CPA Loanholder's info:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1357656

Dude, those are not proofs of anything. Those are rants about you "guessing" and accuse me of something you have dreamed up and have absolutely no proof.
Reason you hate me with such a passion is because I questioned your ability to actually manage a someone else money.
 
I realized quickly, you have absolutely no experience, you are arrogant and incompetent and you are just pissing peoples money away. Yes, I left some shares to your severely fucked up "business adventures" to see what happens. Bad mistake.

Only thing I did wrong is I did not scream loud enough and you managed to piss down the drain about 8000 BTC someone else coin. As you know, I was not the only one, who noticed your super shiny stupidity halo.
Now you are out to "get me" and all those, who alerted the community to stay away from your imaginary companies. Your idea of building your reputation is spreading alls sorts of crap around this forum. It sure is a sad sight indeed. 
Oliver, no wonder you had problems in other forums too.

Oliver, take a chill pill and stop acting like a lunatic.

Oh, I have a lot of proof; see the EskimoBob Fraud thread, and here.

Particularly the second link. You will receive e-mail confirmation of this, but I am denying your claim until you provide evidence you actually own the shares. Don't even bother posting anything or whining until you can provide evidence -- so far the evidence shows YOU LIED.

Please see the scam accusation thread where EskimoBob is shown to have attempted to scam me out of YARR shares, and that he does not actually own any YARR.

You have 20 unclaimed shares and you blame me for lying to you that I own 9 shares?
You are incapable of checking your facts first and you have proved this countless times in this forum. Deleting all your posts (1000+) is just another proof of that. LOL even you understand, how embarrassing most of your rants are. LOL 


On top of that, I see you have been really busy in Scam Accusations forum while you have ZERO! proof to back up any of your delusional claims.  What kind of a unstable lunatic are you?  Usagi a.k.a Oliver Richman a.k.a Appledog a.k.a Renli, your behaviour is unacceptable and you better start crawling on the floor and forgiveness.

OK, you are upset at people who have pointed out your utter incompetence and even offered you sound advice. What do you do? You troll like a retard and stir up shit while making yourself look even bigger wanker and an idiot.
DO you really expect anyone take you seriously after all this crap you have done here? Your delusions, you deleting thousand of your own posts (removing evidence like a true scammer and a liar) from this forum etc will not fix you nonexisting imago nor the situation.     

You call me a liar (without any proof!) and then you post flat out lies about me and other forum members to Scam Accusations forum. WTF is wrong with you?
Do you expect  to earn respect and trust with your erratic behaviour and flat out lies in this forum?
You are not only a liar and a wanker but you are also a troll.


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29

GOOD NEWS! Loanholders have announced interest to buy:

a) the guitar and amp I am selling
b) the hardware I have recieved

These loanholders have also given me permission to confirm that I have done this once the deals have gone thru and equipment has been verified working.

This means I will get almost 250 BTC towards paying off what CPA owes! This, along with the BTC-MINING (see post #2) and YARR news, is FANTASTIC. I'm absolutely ecstatic at this. Please continue to make claims as advertised in the OP. As mentioned you have until the end of January 2013 to make your claim. Thank you.

This has been a good couple of days for resolving the GLBSE fiasco. Please let's hope it continues and this all gets worked out in the end.

GOOD NEWS!
I have received the list of YARR holders.

The info for other companies is sure to follow. I will be contacting each of you in e-mail over the next few days to arrange payment. Thank you.

---
[email protected]:
  :payment_address: x
  :shares: 1

[email protected]:
  :payment_address: x
  :shares: 1

[email protected]:
  :payment_address: x
  :shares: 1

[email protected]:
  :payment_address: x
  :shares: 9973

[email protected]:
  :payment_address: x
  :shares: 1

The above is what I have been sent from GLBSE with the following disclaimer:
"you may be sent more lists as users continue to claim their GLBSE accounts"

There are 20 unclaimed/outstanding shares.
Please make your claim on GLBSE at your earliest convenience.

Hi usagi

I just want to congratulate you for your recent actions.

You've taken a lot of vicious flak recently, some of it maybe justified, for "creative accounting".

But:

All your businesses were GLBSE based, so you, like many others of us, have been put in an impossible situation by that fuckwit Nefario.

You are around now, and are one of the first asset issuers to have independently started to organise a claims process. You have expressed a willingness to try to repair the situation, where most others are quiet, or, more likely, have run away with whatever they could grab.

No one has actually provided clear evidence of any scam against you.

It will be a hell of a lot of work for you and all the other asset issuers to try to repair the damage from the GLBSE fiasco, and I wish you the best of luck with this process.

Congratulations for being one of the very few people around here appearing to have the intention of behaving honourably. Good luck with sorting this mess out- it would be really nice to salvage some percentage of our investments with you. PM will be on its way soon.

And of course, thanks for the comedy value of your manic posts- the forums would be a much duller place if you weren't around!

Best wishes and a much needed dose of positive energy.

(https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/good-news-glbse-is-sending-out-shareholders-data-126920)

Please continue to make claims as per the instructions in the OP. It looks like Nefario really is finally sending out shareholder data!

Cool. Worst case scenario I can sell the FPGAs and ASICs and my guitar and stuff, no big deal, except no one seems to want a gibson SG anymore :/

Glad you're feeling better.  Drink better quality stuff next time. 

I held 92 shares of NYAN.B.  Only reason I know this (and only real proof I have) is that I emailed you offering to sell them when you were buying shares back.

Per my posts in other threads of securities I owned, my preference would be that you collect info now, but do not act on it for 3-6 months on the off-chance that Nefario actually follows through.  I have high (probably unrealistically high) hopes that if he does follow through it won't all end up being a write-off.

Cheers.

I had some YARR and some NYAN.B.

Thanks for running good assets usagi, I don't blame you for anything that happened with GLBSE.

This statement signifies my intention to write off these assets. I wont put a friend through any stress over a few BTC.

And here is another embarrassing trade of CPA

I found my csv file from 2012-09-18

Someone bought 1 share from me at 1.26 and I was left with 9

NYAN.A and C buy orders and divs:

Really? Can you name one? I have asked for this multiple times btw and so far you have managed to provide me with 0 example and no proof.
I am also sending you my other payment request via PM so you can not tell me or anyone else, that you did not receive my request.

Sure, you can apologize to me any time you want.

Given your lack of credibility and backtracking I would suggest an apology right now, especially as you have no proof that you have any valid claim whatsoever. There are plenty of people who have sent claims now, and they're all being relatively nice about it. But a fuckwit like you? How do I know you're not just lying about what you held, especially considering your attitude towards me and my companies these past few months? In fact it is almost certain that you are lying.

Why should I believe you EskimoBob? When you're such an obvious troll? You said it yourself: I've been kicked off several internet forums. Oops -- care to name one? Just one?

You have been caught in so many lies I don't think anyone believes you anymore, about anything. You even got delisted and kicked off assets-otc because of your shitty, scammy "art investment" crap, didn't you?

 


LOL, sure it matters. 2 days ago you stated a "fact" that had nothing to do with reality and was actually a lie.   
Time for a apology.

I just spoke with the guy and he says he probably sold them before GLBSE shut down. Doesn't matter anyways -- instructions on how to file a claim are stated very clearly in the OP.

I like how Usagi can remember exactly who had how many shares.


What's the point of this?

This is quite true. I own shares in some different tech companies so that I can read the memos and reports. It's just good practice and allows you to be more informed, especially when you are critical of a company it lets you get a good understanding of what their position is.

This happens all the time in real life. People buy a few shares of companies so they can join shareholder meetings and ask the questions people don't want them to ask. Anyone who's ever spent more than a minute in real business - not this cargo cult mimikry of a business environment - would know that.

I'm stating this in public because EB is such a troll about things. Yes, I've received his claim.

But I find it incredulous that all this time, while EskimoBob was launching scam accusation threads against me, while he was defaming me, and attacking me and trolling me -- all this time -- he actually believed that all my companies were worthy investments and put his own personal money down on that belief.

In short, EskimoBob really has no credibility. Honestly it looks more like a gouge than anything else. We shall see. I did in fact receive his claim.

Usagi, no need to get all hysterical and start foaming over nothing.
Lets see, November 18... and today is 19.  WOW!   
PM sent.

(I waited a couple days to see if he would file a claim; he didn't).

EskimoBob means to tell us that after all this time... after everything he has said about me... which he has had quite a lot to say.. that he in actuality supported me and invested money with me.

I'm sorry EskimoBob, but nobody believes you. You literally spent the last four months of your life discrediting me on the forums and now you expect everyone to believe I owe you mining shares.

LOL

Well okay EB. Where's your claim? It's been a couple of days now, what, did you forget what your holdings were? Make sure you PM it to me here on the forums so you can't claim I ignored your e-mail.

well, email me what you can remember. Instructions are in the OP.

Instructions on how to file a claim are stated in the OP. If you do not follow the instructions, do not expect a response.

Cant do much without the CSV

I had a few CPA and NYAN.B left over is all I remember.

I did not notice this bullshit you had spun here:

Oliver (usagi), you are even bigger liar and a scumbag than I ever imagined. Let this "other person" come out and state it in person.

instructions on how to file a claim are stated in the OP.

As I mentioned in another thread, I have 9 YARR's and I like to sell this stuff back to you. I had a sell order for my shares Ask side until GLBSE closed down.
A bit embarrassing  to say but I also had
NYAN.A
NYAN.C
CPA

Lets clear up the YARR and then move to next ones.

Must have been damn time consuming to delete all those posts...

Confirmed Assets
I have confirmed the ownership of shares of BTC-MINING in BMF with nam's list. We chatted on IRC to confirm it was the right e-mail address and payout address.



Q: Why was I gone for a month?
By the way. The night that GLBSE shutdown I happened to be drinking. So I finished the bottle and I got really sick. This apparently lowered my immune system and I got some kind of very bad stomach flu. I couldn't hold down food or water for days, anything I ate or drank came out one end or the other, with pretty much the same consistency. Since I was dehydrated I got a kidney stone. A big one that took 2 weeks to come out. A couple days after that I had blood in my urine again; it was another stone, more that 2x as big as the previous one. Dunno if you've ever had a bad hangover, or a bad stomach flu, or kidney stones, but I had all that back to back. It actually wasn't as painful as usual. I didn't turn white and pass out this time. But I was in and out of the hospital for a couple weeks on IVs and stuff.

I'm sure lots of people are happy to hear I suffered, but I am not asking for sympathy. I assure you I feel fine right now. I'm just stating why I didn't come online for a month.

Hello!

Based on what Smickles, Kludge, and several others are doing, I've decided to make a statement regarding the companies I used to run on GLBSE and allow people to send me proof of their holdings.

First, it's important to note that I ran funds -- similar to S^2 capital management (ran by Smickles and imsaguy), or Gamma Bitcoin Fund, ran by DeadTerra. However, in contrast to S^2 and GBF, everything that my companies held was held on the GLBSE. I think, BMF might have had 20 bitcoins in it when GLBSE shut down; we also ordered 2 FPGA singles. So besides that everything we held was on the GLBSE.

So, first of all, I do not have any kind of massive amount of bitcoins, nor do I have any physical assets that are owned by anyone. The shareholders of my companies own other assets on the GLBSE; that's the nature of what I was doing. So for example, we had (say) 400 and change shares of BAKEWELL. We had 300 plus change shares of YABMC, We had 3000+ shares of BMMO. We had X shares of this, Y shares of that.

Since GLBSE shut down, I don't have any way to prove that we held those companies. I also didn't receive any dividends and have not received anything not even a peep from Nefario this whole time. Incidentally, besides something like 2 people I also have not had anyone e-mail me or PM me requesting information nor payback. So I'm in the following position;

I'd love to distribute the assets in NYAN/etc. to former shareholders but:
1. Shareholders currently have no way to prove their claim, and
2. I have no way to prove that NYAN/etc owned assets of any company.

And all of this is compounded by the unstated obvious fact that 3. Almost everything on the GLBSE has become worthless because there is no market and most companies are no longer paying dividends.

So I'm going to be collecting claims until the end of January 2013 (a lot like other issuers). Email to me, at [email protected] ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER that you held any of my companies. A screenshot, whatever. If I do not receive any information from Nefario by that time then you will have to go after Nefario yourselves; he has both the proof we held assets, and your name as a claimant. I have nothing. If he doesn't give it to me, you will have to chase him down yourselves. However, by sending a claim to me at [email protected] at least there will be a record of your claim.

You do understand I will need more than "remember that $5 you owe me" to process your claim. There are just too many slimeballs like EskimoBob who have already said I owe them money when I know for a fact I do not. EskimoBob for example has claimed he had 9 shares of YARR, which I happen to know for a fact is false, because I know who had the remaining shares of YARR before GLBSE shut down.

So, due to the special nature of this situation and the undeniable fact that Nefario has access to BOTH the list of shareholders of the companies AND the list of holdings of the companies, there is little I can do. I can't chase him legally because I simply don't have the money to launch an international case. Second point, since this is all illegal in the UK he would have to be extradited from the UK to where I am or another jurisdiction. In short, it's just not possible for me to do anything legally to Nefario and I sure as hell am not going to do anything illegal.

There's really no actual bitcoins involved here; all Nefario has to do is give me a list of what I held -- the proof I need to start making calls to garr255 and others and start getting dividends and/or getting repaid and/or distributing assets to former shareholders. But I don't even have that. I suspect he can't give that information out, since it would mean he is facilitating the market making which he states he can no longer do.

I'll also take suggestions. But anything that involves me spending tens of thousands of dollars on a lawyer to chase nefario down or biking from china to the UK is out of the question. I've already lost all my money in personal holdings on the GLBSE.

P.S. don't bother claiming I owe you anything on the forums. You can PM me if you want a record of it on the forums, so the admins can see it. That's fine. But for convenience please also CC it to [email protected]. Thanks.