Obama announces stronger action on U. S. power plants

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Quote from: shevon on August 04, 2015, 02:27:38 PM

That's all very nice, and I'm sure your enjoyed yourself.

Just as I am sure that your grandfather was one of the boys who yelled "Get a horse" at early motorists.

Ahhh for that comparison to work somebody like Henry Ford would of had to been roaming around the country tricking people into thinking horses caused polio while simultaneously trying to sell them an inferior expensive alternative.

Do you know why the car replaced the horse?

Because it worked and people wanted it.

Government didn't have to create mass ignorant hysteria by demonize pinhookers.

Shevon you need to accept the single solitary reality that is at the heart of your problem with this global warming nonsese...

...you've been tricked.

You've been scammed Fitzroy.

Swindled, ripped off, defrauded, deceived, conned, hustled, hosed, cheated, pwnd!

And you're happy about that which is the most perplexing part of all.

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Not only all that, but what we really need is hardened power distribution systems - hardened against solar flares and EMF attacks.

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Quote from: shevon on August 04, 2015, 02:27:38 PM

That's all very nice, and I'm sure your enjoyed yourself.

Just as I am sure that your grandfather was one of the boys who yelled "Get a horse" at early motorists.

Ahhh for that comparison to work somebody like Henry Ford would of had to been roaming around the country tricking people into thinking horses caused polio while simultaneously trying to sell them an inferior expensive alternative.

Do you know why the car replaced the horse?

Because it worked and people wanted it.

Government didn't have to create mass ignorant hysteria by demonize pinhookers.

Shevon you need to accept the single solitary reality that is at the heart of your problem with this global warming nonsese...

...you've been tricked.

You've been scammed Fitzroy.

Swindled, ripped off, defrauded, deceived, conned, hustled, hosed, cheated, pwnd!

And you're happy about that which is the most perplexing part of all.

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 04, 2015, 02:26:49 PM

I've got just the thing, genuine miracle cream I bought from a travelling salesman.
"Come one, come all" he said. "Step right up!"
"This sounds too good to be true" I thought.
He said I looked like a smart young man.
"So is it a deal?" I inquired.
Two hours later he was gone, with 60 of my dollars.
But I had the miracle cream!

That's all very nice, and I'm sure your enjoyed yourself.

Just as I am sure that your grandfather was one of the boys who yelled "Get a horse" at early motorists.

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Quote from: shevon on August 04, 2015, 02:25:00 PM

I don't know. But I'm going to ask the guy from the solar panel company when he comes by on Thursday.

I've got just the thing, genuine miracle cream I bought from a travelling salesman.
"Come one, come all" he said. "Step right up!"
"This sounds too good to be true" I thought.
He said I looked like a smart young man.
"So is it a deal?" I inquired.
Two hours later he was gone, with 60 of my dollars.
But I had the miracle cream!

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 04, 2015, 01:20:46 PM

Winters coming.How will the poor and people on fixed incomes afford the increased utility bills?

I don't know. But I'm going to ask the guy from the solar panel company when he comes by on Thursday.

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 02:21:40 PM

I've never claimed the new regulations would cost pennies. Why do you guys keep lying about what I said?

Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 01:40:00 PM

That program amounts to pennies out of the Middle Class paycheck.

So, you do not support these new proposals for regulation.

The program for utility assistance for low income households cost pennies out of a middle class paycheck, according to you. The "pennies" figure accounts for tax-payer subsidies, it does not also include the higher rates paying customers are charged to offset the utility assistance.

The proposed regulations would increase the cost of providing electricity for utility providers, including those in the San Antonio area. That cost will be passed onto the paying customer. There have not been any links or data presented that would show what these increases would be, and how those on utility assistance would be affected.

You provided a "pennies" narrative, meant to minimize the true cost impact of these proposed regulations.

You still have not provided a link to support a claim that these proposed regulations will positively affect AGW.

Please let us know how you are able to minimize your carbon footprint in San Antonio, including not running your AC this summer. I would like to hopefully learn something from you in this thread.

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 04, 2015, 02:20:41 PM

So you are saying that given the lack of a link to support these proposed regulations will positively affect AGW, you do not support these new proposals, whether 400 or 4,000,000 pennies, per tax-payer and/or utility provider customer.

I've never claimed the new regulations would cost pennies. Why do you guys keep lying about what I said?

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 02:19:24 PM

Where have I ever expressed support for these new regulations in this thread?

So you are saying that given the lack of a link to support these proposed regulations will positively affect AGW, you do not support these new proposals, whether 400 or 4,000,000 pennies, per tax-payer and/or utility provider customer.

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 04, 2015, 02:17:08 PM

Ahh, You are using tax-payer subsidies as the qualifier for your "pennies out of the paycheck". This does not include the higher rates paying customers pay that the utility provider levies to offset all of the subsidized utility bills for the poor.

So, if these proposed regulations are passed, what will be the tax-payer subsidies per tax-payer and then what will the utility provider charge each paying customer to offset all of the subsidized utility bills? Will this be 400 pennies?

Also, do you have a link that would support AGW being positively affected by these new regulations?

Where have I ever expressed support for these new regulations in this thread?

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Is the fossil fuel industry paying you directly? Or, did they promise you something shiny? A pie chart, some anecdotal nonsense, and more denying. I'd argue science with you deniers, but you've forsaken science for political affiliation and/or hatred of the black man in the white house who's smarter than you.

It's embarrassing, pathetic, and small minded.

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 02:16:01 PM

The LIHEAP budget (the program which provides utility assistance to the poor) was $3.4 Billion in 2014. There are 122 million taxpayers. Most of those tax payers are paid twice a month, 12 months a year. 2.4 billion divided by 122 million divided by 24 = $1.16.

So I'll admit I was wrong on one thing. It costs taxpayers roughly a dollar per paycheck. Even if utility costs triple as conservatives have cited earlier in the thread, the costs per taxpayer would still be less than $4.

Ahh, You are using tax-payer subsidies as the qualifier for your "pennies out of the paycheck". This does not include the higher rates paying customers pay that the utility provider levies to offset all of the subsidized utility bills for the poor.

So, if these proposed regulations are passed, what will be the tax-payer subsidies per tax-payer and then what will the utility provider charge each paying customer to offset all of the subsidized utility bills? Will this be 400 pennies?

Also, do you have a link that would support AGW being positively affected by these new regulations?

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 04, 2015, 02:15:01 PM

Right. So, we are back to the pennies out of the paycheck. Where is the link for this? Has your utility company down in San Antonio been able to verify that with these proposed regulations, your utility bill will only be rising by pennies? Do you have a link for that?

Again, do you have a link that would support AGW being positively affected by these new regulations?

The LIHEAP budget (the program which provides utility assistance to the poor) was $3.4 Billion in 2014. There are 122 million taxpayers. Most of those tax payers are paid twice a month, 12 months a year. 2.4 billion divided by 122 million divided by 24 = $1.16.

So I'll admit I was wrong on one thing. It costs taxpayers roughly a dollar per paycheck. Even if utility costs triple as conservatives have cited earlier in the thread, the costs per taxpayer would still be less than $4.

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 02:12:15 PM

What is the program in question? Are we talking about the new regulations? No. We are talking about the fuel and utility subsides to the poor. Those account for pennies out of your paycheck.

Right. So, we are back to the pennies out of the paycheck. Where is the link for this? Has your utility company down in San Antonio been able to verify that with these proposed regulations, your utility bill will only be rising by pennies? Do you have a link for that?

Again, do you have a link that would support AGW being positively affected by these new regulations?

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 04, 2015, 02:06:35 PM

Oh, I did. The post by Peterson33 was in reference to the tax burden on the middle class to fund this program to which you replied this would be pennies out of the middle class paycheck.

I want to believe this theory of pennies out of the paycheck. Do you have a link? Has your utility company been able to verify an increase of "pennies". If so, how many pennies?

Additionally, can you provide a link that can point to how AGW would be positively affected by this program?

TIA!

What is the program in question? Are we talking about the new regulations? No. We are talking about the fuel and utility subsides to the poor. Those account for pennies out of your paycheck.

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 02:05:11 PM

You clearly don't get what I was posting about. Perhaps you should read my post again and also read the post I was responding to.

Oh, I did. The post by Peterson33 was in reference to the tax burden on the middle class to fund this program to which you replied this would be pennies out of the middle class paycheck.

I want to believe this theory of pennies out of the paycheck. Do you have a link? Has your utility company been able to verify an increase of "pennies". If so, how many pennies?

Additionally, can you provide a link that can point to how AGW would be positively affected by this program?

TIA!

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 04, 2015, 01:50:21 PM

Can you provide a link for this?
I want to believe this too. Will your higher AC cost usage in San Antonio be just extra pennies per month? Has your utility provider confirmed this?

You clearly don't get what I was posting about. Perhaps you should read my post again and also read the post I was responding to.

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I may have to step up my getting off the grid plans.

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Quote from: redandblack on August 04, 2015, 01:55:19 PM

Yes, it is about emission standards. They've gone up and up over the years, but electrostatic scrubber technology developed for coal-burning electricity plants in our cities have kept up and today it is difficult to find any city in the country with truly polluted air. Where you do find it, it's still usually due to inversion layers you find in natural "bowls" below mountain ranges, like in Phoenix and Los Angeles.

And, yes, there are severe pollution problems in some parts of China and India. China and India need to do something constructive to battle their own pollution problems, but how does Obama's campaign to bankrupt the coal industry and jack up utility rates for Americans help pollution problems in China and India?! The United Nations may love this big crackdown, but American utility ratepayers definitely will NOT....

In a way, Obama doing this will ensure a new supply of conservatives. Nothing makes a working mom vote republican faster than writing out a check for electricity that is twice what she was paying per month before especially when she was barely scraping by before. Little Johnny is gonna have to go to Disneyworld some other time.

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The Supreme Court just finished slapping the crap out of Barack Obama with his last set of Executive Orders on the power plants. They realized in their decision should Barack Obama have his way that the nation would realize a short fall of energy. As many of you know, I am in the Energy Business. The last two winters straight the United States BARELY avoided black outs during the heavy winter storms. Our energy grid was at its absolute max with no more coal plants to bring online since Barack Obama forced the closure of so many already. If this happens thousands will die a cold lonely death.

This is pure Liberal idiocy.

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Quote from: morin on August 04, 2015, 01:58:40 PM

El Paso Electric just announced a large rate hike. How high is something they haven't said yet.

I used to live in El Paso a long time ago, and even then they had the highest electricity rates in the State of Texas because El Paso was a part of the network that got its power from that gigantic nuclear power plant, Palo Verde, in Phoenix.

Nuke power plants are incredibly expensive, and the "pollution" possibilities? Ask people who used to live in Fukushima, Japan, or in Chernobyl, Ukraine.... They cost a fortune to build, they cost a fortune to operate, they cost a fortune to maintain, and, when it's finally time to decommission the damned things, they cost another bloody fortune to get rid of....

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 04, 2015, 01:50:21 PM

Can you provide a link for this?

I want to believe this too. Will your higher AC cost usage in San Antonio be just extra pennies per month? Has your utility provider confirmed this?

El Paso Electric just announced a large rate hike. How high is something they haven't said yet.

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The worst President in history just got worse. Water vapor is the most common greenhouse gas, and it ain't close. I suppose we will have to extend government power over that too ?

Meanwhile, such as NY State was covered in ice 20,000 years ago. Thank God we have a planet that warms ......... and cools.

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Quote from: rodzimajid on August 04, 2015, 01:52:17 PM

There are several news articles on this.. Its about emission standards..

Yes, it is about emission standards. They've gone up and up over the years, but electrostatic scrubber technology developed for coal-burning electricity plants in our cities have kept up and today it is difficult to find any city in the country with truly polluted air. Where you do find it, it's still usually due to inversion layers you find in natural "bowls" below mountain ranges, like in Phoenix and Los Angeles.

And, yes, there are severe pollution problems in some parts of China and India. China and India need to do something constructive to battle their own pollution problems, but how does Obama's campaign to bankrupt the coal industry and jack up utility rates for Americans help pollution problems in China and India?! The United Nations may love this big crackdown, but American utility ratepayers definitely will NOT....

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You all do know that LA has cleaner air today than it did in the 1970s???

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Quote from: redandblack on August 04, 2015, 01:18:50 PM

President Barack Obama challenged America and the world to step up efforts to fight global warming on Monday at the formal unveiling of his administration's controversial, ramped-up plan to cut carbon emissions from U.S. power plants.

Declaring climate change the greatest threat facing the world, Obama said the regulation requiring the power sector to cut its emissions by 32 percent from 2005 levels by 2030 would reduce Americans' energy bills and improve the health of vulnerable populations nationwide.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/03/us-usa-climatechange-idUSKCN0Q820I20150803

Sticking to the facts, it is accurate to state that today, carbon dioxide (CO2) makes up less than 0.04% of the Earth's atmosphere. It is also factual to state that carbon dioxide is a natural organic compound that is absolutely necessary for life on this planet! Here's a pie chart produced by the National Weather Service (as unbiased as I could find):

OK, all this focus in on an essential atmospheric compound that makes up less than 0.04%.... But, today's modern coal-fueled power plants have state-of-the-art electrostatic scrubbers on them that have reduced emissions to such a healthy point that no American city is plagued with the dirty air we used to see in so many cities, like our big city of Denver, Colorado, back in the 1970's.

Now, what do you imagine the probable effect is going to be on your UTILITY BILLS after Obama has bankrupted the entire U. S. coal industry? In favor of what? Solar? Wind? Biomass? None of those can even begin to make up the loss of coal, and the costs would be stupid-expensive. Natural gas? Sure, we have enough of it, but what do you imagine the cost of natural gas will skyrocket to without coal to offset it?

Obama should have announced a new initiative to develop hydrogen fusion power, which would give us unlimited, non-polluting energy from fusion processes using SEA WATER, and continue burning clean coal in plants with the most advanced scrubbers until we have mastered fusion. Instead, he's throwing this new, expensive burden on top of us, and at a time when it will cost all of us, directly and indirectly, a lot more of our hard-earned money. But, hey, we've recovered from the Recession, and everybody's awash in big money now... right...?!

There are several news articles on this.. Its about emission standards..

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Quote from: umzza on August 04, 2015, 01:46:45 PM

This guy is completely hellbent on destroying the country. There is simply no arguing that. It is a fact. Whoever voted for this clown should be deported after the next election

People say Obama is stupid. No he isn't. Hes extremely intelligent. The problem is he's a traitor who is hell bent on doing as much damage as possible to the United States before he leaves office. He's succeeding. In Obamas defense he told us he was going to do all these things and the idiot voters still voted for him........ twice. This isn't Obamas fault. Its our fault for allowing him to do this.
If another dem is voted in, everyone reading this has no business complaining about illegals, your right to own a firearm being removed, your doubled energy bills, the economy, getting laid off, your inability to find new work, the fact that you cant afford a home or even thermonuclear war. I say everyone because dumb people don't know they are dumb that's why they need to be informed of the issues by those of us who are informed before they vote. If that doesn't happen then those of us who are informed aren't doing a good enough job in that area.

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 01:40:00 PM

That program amounts to pennies out of the Middle Class paycheck.

Can you provide a link for this?

I want to believe this too. Will your higher AC cost usage in San Antonio be just extra pennies per month? Has your utility provider confirmed this?

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Quote from: Kenchaa on August 04, 2015, 01:44:58 PM

The coal industry produces over 41,500 middle class jobs in PA alone. I guess you think that will be a miniscule loss to the middle (formerly working) class.

It might make a dent with the direct and indirect employment situation caused by this, but that it not the issue. The issue is the cost of energy should it skyrocket like Obama promised in 2008. The middle class can not take anymore hits to their expenses. That is what will cause the biggest loss to the middle class.

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Quote from: abasin on August 04, 2015, 01:38:33 PM

You're asking how people will Afford cost hikes that haven't happened? Guess it depends if they occur and how large they are.

I don't think they should occur at all given the lie that Obama is pushing about the amount of CO2 and where its coming from.

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 01:40:00 PM

That program amounts to pennies out of the Middle Class paycheck.

Pennies add up to dollars.
And this would mean more pennies to assist others plus the base raise in their own utility bills.

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This guy is completely hellbent on destroying the country. There is simply no arguing that. It is a fact. Whoever voted for this clown should be deported after the next election

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 01:40:00 PM

That program amounts to pennies out of the Middle Class paycheck.

Pennies here pennies there.

Counting sales tax, for goods and services purchased, and then withholdings, how much to you suppose all of these "penny" taxes add up to out of ones paycheck? My guess is 25 - 35%.

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Quote from: rio3232 on August 04, 2015, 01:43:29 PM

There are estimates that it will drive energy costs up to $0.30 per kilowatthour. Currently, we pay around $0.10 kilowathour (depending on where you live). This means that the price of electricity for the average person may triple. I pay about $100 a month in the summer and $300 a month in the winter. I can not afford $300 and $900 a month. And this does not even consider the cost of goods that will increase as production costs go up. It might not impact energy prices as drastically as is being estimated, but we are talking much more than "pennies" out of the pocket of the middle class.

The coal industry produces over 41,500 middle class jobs in PA alone. I guess you think that will be a miniscule loss to the middle (formerly working) class.

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Quote from: peterson33 on August 04, 2015, 01:40:00 PM

That program amounts to pennies out of the Middle Class paycheck.

There are estimates that it will drive energy costs up to $0.30 per kilowatthour. Currently, we pay around $0.10 kilowathour (depending on where you live). This means that the price of electricity for the average person may triple. I pay about $100 a month in the summer and $300 a month in the winter. I can not afford $300 and $900 a month. And this does not even consider the cost of goods that will increase as production costs go up. It might not impact energy prices as drastically as is being estimated, but we are talking much more than "pennies" out of the pocket of the middle class.

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Quote from: Daewoo on August 04, 2015, 01:31:19 PM

That's a logical fallacy:

Just because something is present at a small concentration doesn't mean that nearly doubling its concentration won't have consequences.

As an example: The stress hormone cortisol is normally present at a concentration of 250 nM, much lower than the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere. According to you argument, we should not pay attention to cortisol, because of its low conc.

However, doubling the cortisol concentration has serious consequences, among others a constantly-stressed state and weight gain.

So, if you want to advocate against AGW, please use other arguments, but not that CO2 is present at low concentration and, therefore, of no consequence.

Why should it be more expensive to use domestic energy than to import it from the middle east because that is the only affect this is going to have? Small domestic coal power plants will be shut down killing American mining jobs, and they will be replaced by foreign oil imports. Just like moving all of our production to China, it has no net impact on the climate. All that is accomplished is further destroy the domestic economy.

Anybody that works for a living knows this is grounds for impeachment. The only one that benefits are the oil sheiks that donated to get Obama elected and the media which gets paid to disseminate his propaganda.

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Quote from: godlyitems on August 04, 2015, 01:35:31 PM

No matter the acronym of choice, what is the solution to replacing coal for energy? What is it? Will this be in place and running efficiently by fall 2015? How much is this going to cost each consumer, not just the "rich" ones?

I thought the Earth was entering a cooling phase?

Well sunshine and rainbows and the butterflies that fly out of Obama's ass will replace coal. But all kidding aside, Obama probably didn't know about this policy until he read about it in the paper.

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 04, 2015, 01:34:06 PM

Ok well that would cover the poor and the fixed income people.

But that program has a tax burden and that burden will be increased and its the middle class that will feel that increase in addition to the increase of their own utility bills.

So how will the middle class afford it?

That program amounts to pennies out of the Middle Class paycheck.

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 04, 2015, 01:34:06 PM

Ok well that would cover the poor and the fixed income people.

But that program has a tax burden and that burden will be increased and its the middle class that will feel that increase in addition to the increase of their own utility bills.

So how will the middle class afford it?

You're asking how people will Afford cost hikes that haven't happened? Guess it depends if they occur and how large they are.

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Quote from: abasin on August 04, 2015, 01:32:21 PM

Just like regulating smog emissions did

Yeah, but I'm sure glad we did. I lived in LA when breathing its air was like smoking 2 paks of unfiltered Pall-Malls a day. Some of the middle class probably dropped into the low-income category because of the regulations, but at least they can breathe.

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Quote from: Daewoo on August 04, 2015, 01:31:19 PM

That's a logical fallacy:

Just because something is present at a small concentration doesn't mean that nearly doubling its concentration won't have consequences.

As an example: The stress hormone cortisol is normally present at a concentration of 250 nM, much lower than the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere. According to you argument, we should not pay attention to cortisol, because of its low conc.

However, doubling the cortisol concentration has serious consequences, among others a constantly-stressed state and weight gain.

So, if you want to advocate against AGW, please use other arguments, but not that CO2 is present at low concentration and, therefore, of no consequence.

No matter the acronym of choice, what is the solution to replacing coal for energy? What is it? Will this be in place and running efficiently by fall 2015? How much is this going to cost each consumer, not just the "rich" ones?

I thought the Earth was entering a cooling phase?

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Quote from: abasin on August 04, 2015, 01:22:24 PM

Don't know if it's everywhere but many areas have utility assistance for low income households

Ok well that would cover the poor and the fixed income people.

But that program has a tax burden and that burden will be increased and its the middle class that will feel that increase in addition to the increase of their own utility bills.

So how will the middle class afford it?

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Quote from: rio3232 on August 04, 2015, 01:27:18 PM

And what about those that do not qualify as 'low income', but are still struggling to make ends meet? This is just another tactic to kill off the middle class.

Just like regulating smog emissions did

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Obama: If you want to build a coal power plant, I'll bankrupt you

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Quote from: abasin on August 04, 2015, 01:22:24 PM

Don't know if it's everywhere but many areas have utility assistance for low income households

And what about those that do not qualify as 'low income', but are still struggling to make ends meet? This is just another tactic to kill off the middle class.

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Quote from: rio3232 on August 04, 2015, 01:21:37 PM

Quote from: abasin on August 04, 2015, 01:19:33 PM

Water is also necessary for life....but it can still kill you.

So true...so I guess we should do away we all water on the plant....or at least attempt to minimize it's availability. Damn, now I'm afraid to go outside on rainy days.

No, you need to just think clearly. Better, just let your betters think for you. They will handle this problem and you will not have to worry about it. They will give you a booklet with coupons, and you can redeem them every day for just the right amount of water - so you don't have to worry about water killing you.

You see how easy that was? Every day things just get better and better.

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Quote from: abasin on August 04, 2015, 01:22:24 PM

Don't know if it's everywhere but many areas have utility assistance for low income households

And who pays for this "utility assistance"?

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Quote from: abasin on August 04, 2015, 01:23:24 PM

Not my point, but let's not pretend that anything essential to life can't also be dangerous

Getting out of bed in the mornings can be dangerous.

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Quote from: rio3232 on August 04, 2015, 01:21:37 PM

So true...so I guess we should do away we all water on the plant....or at least attempt to minimize it's availability. Damn, now I'm afraid to go outside on rainy days.

Not my point, but let's not pretend that anything essential to life can't also be dangerous

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Quote from: KriszDev on August 04, 2015, 01:20:46 PM

Winters coming.How will the poor and people on fixed incomes afford the increased utility bills?

Don't know if it's everywhere but many areas have utility assistance for low income households

rio3232

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Quote from: abasin on August 04, 2015, 01:19:33 PM

Water is also necessary for life....but it can still kill you.

So true...so I guess we should do away we all water on the plant....or at least attempt to minimize it's availability. Damn, now I'm afraid to go outside on rainy days.

KriszDev

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Winters coming.How will the poor and people on fixed incomes afford the increased utility bills?

abasin

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Water is also necessary for life....but it can still kill you.

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President Barack Obama challenged America and the world to step up efforts to fight global warming on Monday at the formal unveiling of his administration's controversial, ramped-up plan to cut carbon emissions from U.S. power plants.

Declaring climate change the greatest threat facing the world, Obama said the regulation requiring the power sector to cut its emissions by 32 percent from 2005 levels by 2030 would reduce Americans' energy bills and improve the health of vulnerable populations nationwide.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/03/us-usa-climatechange-idUSKCN0Q820I20150803

Sticking to the facts, it is accurate to state that today, carbon dioxide (CO2) makes up less than 0.04% of the Earth's atmosphere. It is also factual to state that carbon dioxide is a natural organic compound that is absolutely necessary for life on this planet! Here's a pie chart produced by the National Weather Service (as unbiased as I could find):

OK, all this focus in on an essential atmospheric compound that makes up less than 0.04%.... But, today's modern coal-fueled power plants have state-of-the-art electrostatic scrubbers on them that have reduced emissions to such a healthy point that no American city is plagued with the dirty air we used to see in so many cities, like our big city of Denver, Colorado, back in the 1970's.

Now, what do you imagine the probable effect is going to be on your UTILITY BILLS after Obama has bankrupted the entire U. S. coal industry? In favor of what? Solar? Wind? Biomass? None of those can even begin to make up the loss of coal, and the costs would be stupid-expensive. Natural gas? Sure, we have enough of it, but what do you imagine the cost of natural gas will skyrocket to without coal to offset it?

Obama should have announced a new initiative to develop hydrogen fusion power, which would give us unlimited, non-polluting energy from fusion processes using SEA WATER, and continue burning clean coal in plants with the most advanced scrubbers until we have mastered fusion. Instead, he's throwing this new, expensive burden on top of us, and at a time when it will cost all of us, directly and indirectly, a lot more of our hard-earned money. But, hey, we've recovered from the Recession, and everybody's awash in big money now... right...?!

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