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Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2015, 08:50:07 AM

Obama Supports Police Brutality

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Killer cops throughout America operate unaccountably - agents of wealth, power and privilege exclusively, rampaging against ordinary people ruthlessly, mostly victimized Blacks and Latinos.

Fatalities at their hands are on track to exceed 1,000 this year - more than double phony FBI reported numbers.

Official "justifiable homicides" are cold-blood murder in the vast majority of cases. Victims tell no tales, only witnesses when available.

Evidence is overwhelming. US streets are battlegrounds, Black and Latino youths prime targets, suffering disproportionately, victimized by racist injustice. State-sponsored criminality rages at home and abroad. Corpses piling up attest to America's ruthlessness.

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every president in this earth supports theirs police forces.. because all the goverments want to surpass their citizens by using their armed forces..so

it isnt unusual that obama supports and give power to them ..

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The two above posts ^^ are good as far as I see it.

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She was disrupting the lesson and had refused to leave class before the officer got involved.

...maybe school districts need to start hiring their own security instead of asking cops to do it, and then bitching when things get nasty. ... Exactly.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2015, 12:02:21 PM

Quote from: Pentax on October 29, 2015, 11:54:51 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2015, 11:20:47 AM

Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 11:08:11 AM

What the hell is the problem with the officer who was dragging the girl over her desk? The one who was messing around on instagram in class? Now; that seemed way out of line. I guess they´re too tolerant of their own, that guy seemed to be 35 or so which probably means that he should have been fired years ago.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

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Of course it seemed out of line and maybe it was. on the other hand, we saw a snippet of what happened. he didn't just walk into the room at random and decide to drag a student out of her desk. in the snippet we did see the moron is first ignoring, and then slapping at, the cop.

If I had done that I'd expect to get jacked up. Far as I'm concerned that particular dumbass brought it on herself.

This case may be different. I haven't heard about it, or watched video if such exists.

Ask yourself. Did the officer make any demands that disallowed her her freedom? Was she displaying violence before the officer made demands of her so that he had the right to make demands of her? If it was an arrest, was the arrest for real reasons? Or was it simply the cop on a power trip, violating her rights and freedom?

Often, an officer doesn't really have the right to restrain another's freedom, even by demanding answers to questions the officer asks of them.

well, we saw only a small portion. by most, if not all, accounts she was ignoring her teacher first, which led to the cop being summoned. he didn't just amble into the room out of a clear blue sky, but was asked to do something.

then she ignored him also.

maybe he didn't have the right to do it. in that case he shouldn't be asked to do it. from what I've seen he had the right to restrain her, however, his error was tossing her ass across the floor. I get that, but she's no hero, and she ain't no victim.

If I'd done half of that, my parents would've beat the living hell out of me.

Back to the original topic, these guys should not be there if they do not have authority. He likely overstepped his bounds, which I do see, however, maybe school districts need to start hiring their own security instead of asking cops to do it, and then bitching when things get nasty.

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Quote from: Pentax on October 29, 2015, 11:54:51 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2015, 11:20:47 AM

Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 11:08:11 AM

What the hell is the problem with the officer who was dragging the girl over her desk? The one who was messing around on instagram in class? Now; that seemed way out of line. I guess they´re too tolerant of their own, that guy seemed to be 35 or so which probably means that he should have been fired years ago.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

Wink

Of course it seemed out of line and maybe it was. on the other hand, we saw a snippet of what happened. he didn't just walk into the room at random and decide to drag a student out of her desk. in the snippet we did see the moron is first ignoring, and then slapping at, the cop.

If I had done that I'd expect to get jacked up. Far as I'm concerned that particular dumbass brought it on herself.

This case may be different. I haven't heard about it, or watched video if such exists.

Ask yourself. Did the officer make any demands that disallowed her her freedom? Was she displaying violence before the officer made demands of her so that he had the right to make demands of her? If it was an arrest, was the arrest for real reasons? Or was it simply the cop on a power trip, violating her rights and freedom?

Often, an officer doesn't really have the right to restrain another's freedom, even by demanding answers to questions the officer asks of them.

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Quote from: Pentax on October 29, 2015, 11:54:51 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2015, 11:20:47 AM

Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 11:08:11 AM

What the hell is the problem with the officer who was dragging the girl over her desk? The one who was messing around on instagram in class? Now; that seemed way out of line. I guess they´re too tolerant of their own, that guy seemed to be 35 or so which probably means that he should have been fired years ago.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

Wink

Of course it seemed out of line and maybe it was. on the other hand, we saw a snippet of what happened. he didn't just walk into the room at random and decide to drag a student out of her desk. in the snippet we did see the moron is first ignoring, and then slapping at, the cop.

If I had done that I'd expect to get jacked up. Far as I'm concerned that particular dumbass brought it on herself.

Yeah, it´s not one-sided. Still, it´s unacceptable procedure.

It would have been better to just call off the class, empty the classroom (presumably everybody would leave except that girl) and deal with the dumbass after she has cooled off. One delayed class is no big deal.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2015, 11:20:47 AM

Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 11:08:11 AM

What the hell is the problem with the officer who was dragging the girl over her desk? The one who was messing around on instagram in class? Now; that seemed way out of line. I guess they´re too tolerant of their own, that guy seemed to be 35 or so which probably means that he should have been fired years ago.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

Wink

Of course it seemed out of line and maybe it was. on the other hand, we saw a snippet of what happened. he didn't just walk into the room at random and decide to drag a student out of her desk. in the snippet we did see the moron is first ignoring, and then slapping at, the cop.

If I had done that I'd expect to get jacked up. Far as I'm concerned that particular dumbass brought it on herself.

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Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 11:08:11 AM

What the hell is the problem with the officer who was dragging the girl over her desk? The one who was messing around on instagram in class? Now; that seemed way out of line. I guess they´re too tolerant of their own, that guy seemed to be 35 or so which probably means that he should have been fired years ago.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

Wink

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What the hell is the problem with the officer who was dragging the girl over her desk? The one who was messing around on instagram in class? Now; that seemed way out of line. I guess they´re too tolerant of their own, that guy seemed to be 35 or so which probably means that he should have been fired years ago.

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Quote from: CoinThug on October 29, 2015, 10:57:04 AM

Don't think presidents in general care about their people, they will say anything that has been written for them

Our puppet nation. Grin

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Don't think presidents in general care about their people, they will say anything that has been written for them

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Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 10:37:18 AM

Frankly, I think America needs a good Sheriff in the White House to clean up town. Also since they´re so eager to be the World´s Policeman it probably would be good to have people in charge that have a clue about law enforcement.

Yes, but... Remember, no governmental person is to act like a king. You are the king. Stand up and use the Preamble and 9th Amendment to maintain yourself as king among all the forces of government.

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Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 10:30:17 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2015, 10:18:07 AM

Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 10:11:45 AM

As a police officer I would be a representative of the state and the state has a monopoly on the use of violence I guess. So, shooting the guy wouldn´t be very much of an issue for me. It´d be pretty much an obligation.

On the other hand as an armed private citizen in this situation I´m not so sure what i´d do. Actually I´d have no special obligation to do anything. Maybe shoot him in the leg and hope that he doesn´t cut the victim, I don´t know. Maybe i´d just kill him cold the same way.

Crooks are a little brain dead, or they wouldn't be crooks. This means that crazies are going to do what they are going to do at times, no matter what precautions are taken.

The point is, that if everyone open carried, crooks would fear for their lives, and there wouldn't be as many of them. The point is that we wouldn't need as many cops, either. Fewer cops, less police brutality. After all, crook cops would be a little fearful of a fully armed populace as well.

The point about Obama is, rather than upholding Homeland Security, all he need do is arm all the people who have been citizens for, say, at least 20 years, and supply them with plenty of ammo, and we wouldn't need police at all. In addition, any real terrorists would die rather quickly.

Well, I don´t disagree with what you´re saying but not everybody has the mental state for running around armed. The vast majority of the population is fully qualified no doubt, finding the exceptions is the problem. And of course there will always be accidents.

I am not advocating that today we are unarmed, and tomorrow we are armed to the gills. We should be brought into it slowly, over a period of 5 years, and trained the right way, so that people get used to it.

One of the greatest things that people would need to get used to is to respect themselves again, as well as each other. If they hold respect for themselves and each other, they will automatically respect the gun when they understand it. The result? We almost won't need cops.

The whole system is corrupt. It is only the shreds of the common law in the written Constitution and Bill of Rights that give the average people any freedom, and block the government from taking over the world. This should start to change in the opposite direction, before Obama and the like take us into complete slavery.

Watch at least the last video of these ten - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D - to see how we can start to turn things around.

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Frankly, I think America needs a good Sheriff in the White House to clean up town. Also since they´re so eager to be the World´s Policeman it probably would be good to have people in charge that have a clue about law enforcement.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2015, 10:18:07 AM

Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 10:11:45 AM

As a police officer I would be a representative of the state and the state has a monopoly on the use of violence I guess. So, shooting the guy wouldn´t be very much of an issue for me. It´d be pretty much an obligation.

On the other hand as an armed private citizen in this situation I´m not so sure what i´d do. Actually I´d have no special obligation to do anything. Maybe shoot him in the leg and hope that he doesn´t cut the victim, I don´t know. Maybe i´d just kill him cold the same way.

Crooks are a little brain dead, or they wouldn't be crooks. This means that crazies are going to do what they are going to do at times, no matter what precautions are taken.

The point is, that if everyone open carried, crooks would fear for their lives, and there wouldn't be as many of them. The point is that we wouldn't need as many cops, either. Fewer cops, less police brutality. After all, crook cops would be a little fearful of a fully armed populace as well.

The point about Obama is, rather than upholding Homeland Security, all he need do is arm all the people who have been citizens for, say, at least 20 years, and supply them with plenty of ammo, and we wouldn't need police at all. In addition, any real terrorists would die rather quickly.

Well, I don´t disagree with what you´re saying but not everybody has the mental state for running around armed. The vast majority of the population is fully qualified no doubt, finding the exceptions is the problem. And of course there will always be accidents.

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Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 10:19:52 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2015, 10:04:12 AM

Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 09:55:48 AM

He held his knife to the throat of a female employee and demanded cash from the clerk.

If I came upon this scene as a police officer and had the position I´d probably shoot the guy in the head right away. The first concern would be public freakin safety I guess.

Google police brutality. Then determine how many of the millions of hits are simply crooks trying to criminalize the cops. I'd say that cops are acting way beyond their reasonable bounds and limits.

Yeah, I doubt that they have very many angels with wings in the ranks.

It´s a very difficult and dangerous job in an extremely well armed environment. Criminality seems very high.
You can´t generalize about this issue, have to examine individual cases. And it isn´t like police are untouchable, they get killed too.

I totally agree with you. And I commend the good cops, because they have a very difficult time determining when it is right to stop their bad fellow bad buddies and lose their job over it, and when to support them. The whole system is corrupt. After all, cops are hired to protect the wealth of the rich and to make more money for them (the rich) by issuing citations to average people.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2015, 10:04:12 AM

Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 09:55:48 AM

He held his knife to the throat of a female employee and demanded cash from the clerk.

If I came upon this scene as a police officer and had the position I´d probably shoot the guy in the head right away. The first concern would be public freakin safety I guess.

Google police brutality. Then determine how many of the millions of hits are simply crooks trying to criminalize the cops. I'd say that cops are acting way beyond their reasonable bounds and limits.

Yeah, I doubt that they have very many angels with wings in the ranks.

It´s a very difficult and dangerous job in an extremely well armed environment. Criminality seems very high.
You can´t generalize about this issue, have to examine individual cases. And it isn´t like police are untouchable, they get killed too.

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Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 10:11:45 AM

As a police officer I would be a representative of the state and the state has a monopoly on the use of violence I guess. So, shooting the guy wouldn´t be very much of an issue for me. It´d be pretty much an obligation.

On the other hand as an armed private citizen in this situation I´m not so sure what i´d do. Actually I´d have no special obligation to do anything. Maybe shoot him in the leg and hope that he doesn´t cut the victim, I don´t know. Maybe i´d just kill him cold the same way.

Crooks are a little brain dead, or they wouldn't be crooks. This means that crazies are going to do what they are going to do at times, no matter what precautions are taken.

The point is, that if everyone open carried, crooks would fear for their lives, and there wouldn't be as many of them. The point is that we wouldn't need as many cops, either. Fewer cops, less police brutality. After all, crook cops would be a little fearful of a fully armed populace as well.

The point about Obama is, rather than upholding Homeland Security, all he need do is arm all the people who have been citizens for, say, at least 20 years, and supply them with plenty of ammo, and we wouldn't need police at all. In addition, any real terrorists would die rather quickly.

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As a police officer I would be a representative of the state and the state has a monopoly on the use of violence I guess. So, shooting the guy wouldn´t be very much of an issue for me. It´d be pretty much an obligation.

On the other hand as an armed private citizen in this situation I´m not so sure what i´d do. Actually I´d have no special obligation to do anything. Maybe shoot him in the leg and hope that he doesn´t cut the victim, I don´t know. Maybe i´d just kill him cold the same way.

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Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 09:55:48 AM

He held his knife to the throat of a female employee and demanded cash from the clerk.

If I came upon this scene as a police officer and had the position I´d probably shoot the guy in the head right away. The first concern would be public freakin safety I guess.

Google police brutality. Then determine how many of the millions of hits are simply crooks trying to criminalize the cops. I'd say that cops are acting way beyond their reasonable bounds and limits.

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Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 09:55:48 AM

He held his knife to the throat of a female employee and demanded cash from the clerk.

If I came upon this scene as a police officer and had the position I´d probably shoot the guy in the head right away. The first concern would be public freakin safety I guess.

You got it, man(?)!

However, if the populace in general open carried, there wouldn't be much of this happening. Crooks are cowards, but they are still smart enough to not commit suicide.

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He held his knife to the throat of a female employee and demanded cash from the clerk.

If I came upon this scene as a police officer and had the position I´d probably shoot the guy in the head right away. The first concern would be public freakin safety I guess.

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A vast majority of cases is a bit of an exaggeration but American police do seem pretty triggerhappy. Some of these thugs are asking for it if they commit violent crimes though.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 29, 2015, 09:36:42 AM

Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 09:27:16 AM

Security guards and private citizens kill criminals every day as well.

...cold-blood murder in the vast majority of cases...

I doubt it.

Police often kill suspected criminals for doing little or nothing wrong. Often police kill people for not following orders fast enough, even though the people do not even understand what is going on.

Does Obama really support this? Well, he sure isn't even suggesting doing anything about it.

Often there are many ways of subduing a person other than outright killing him. People have rights, and their rights are to have a jury trial when accused, not to be executed "Judge Dredd" style.

What good is law if rights are not upheld? The people are getting sick of this. They are starting to take matters into their own hands as we see in various riots. When they go a little farther, it will be with armament that even the cops won't be able to withstand.

Is this what we really want? Get the police to back off before they turn America into a real anarchy.

Well, they´re working in an environment that is armed to the gills and then some. Actually I´m surprised that they only kill a thousand a year. But like I said, the citizenry takes up some slack for them.

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Quote from: galdur on October 29, 2015, 09:27:16 AM

Security guards and private citizens kill criminals every day as well.

...cold-blood murder in the vast majority of cases...

I doubt it.

Police often kill suspected criminals for doing little or nothing wrong. Often police kill people for not following orders fast enough, even though the people do not even understand what is going on.

Does Obama really support this? Well, he sure isn't even suggesting doing anything about it.

Often there are many ways of subduing a person other than outright killing him. People have rights, and their rights are to have a jury trial when accused, not to be executed "Judge Dredd" style.

What good is law if rights are not upheld? The people are getting sick of this. They are starting to take matters into their own hands as we see in various riots. When they go a little farther, it will be with armament that even the cops won't be able to withstand.

Is this what we really want? Get the police to back off before they turn America into a real anarchy.

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Thursday morning feel good stories

In Seymour, Tennessee, Charles Anthony Richards robbed a convenience store with a knife and he was on such a high that he decided to rob another one. He held his knife to the throat of a female employee and demanded cash from the clerk. Then someone blind sided him with a golf club and a wooden ax handle. When the police arrived, it was a scene out of Frankenstein with the villagers standing around with sticks and clubs holding Richards for the police. They probably needed some torches and pitchforks to complete the whole thing.

In Apopka, Florida, a homeowner had a struggle with two armed home invaders until he pulled out his gun and chased them away firing a few times, but it doesn’t look like anyone was injured. The homeowner said something to police about his own possession of some weed, so that might be why he was a target.

A 68-year-old homeowner in New Orleans, Louisiana went to investigate some noises coming from his shed when he found Kelly Jackson stealing his stuff. So the homeowner tried to detain Jackson for the police, but Jackson attacked the homeowner who shot Jackson three times. Police say that the injuries weren’t life-threatening.

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Security guards and private citizens kill criminals every day as well.

...cold-blood murder in the vast majority of cases...

I doubt it.

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Obama doesn't care about them. He will only read off of a teleprompter and say whatever his corporate masters tell him to say.

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Obama Supports Police Brutality

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Killer cops throughout America operate unaccountably - agents of wealth, power and privilege exclusively, rampaging against ordinary people ruthlessly, mostly victimized Blacks and Latinos.

Fatalities at their hands are on track to exceed 1,000 this year - more than double phony FBI reported numbers.

Official "justifiable homicides" are cold-blood murder in the vast majority of cases. Victims tell no tales, only witnesses when available.

Evidence is overwhelming. US streets are battlegrounds, Black and Latino youths prime targets, suffering disproportionately, victimized by racist injustice. State-sponsored criminality rages at home and abroad. Corpses piling up attest to America's ruthlessness.

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