Topic: Obama to ban bullets by executive action, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle (Read 3542 times)

But let millions of undocumented illegals come and stay in the usa with no background checks. Countless violent crimes and murders have been commited due too this, but hey this also means millions of votes for democrats so who cares ...

It was a little scary to read executive action doing this.  But in end the ones who won were ammo makers.    5.56 sold TONS more then regular sales during this.

And green tip's were the big winner.  I wish there were stats on how many green tips sold during this thing. 

This is going no where because when over the top crap like this comes up the gun owning community rallies around their issues like no other. Furthermore, nobody republican or democrat want this to be a huge issue in the upcoming presidential primaries cause when the gun owners come out, it's likely that a real conservative or libertarian one will be the beneficiaries of that fervor - which will burn the establishment types and also take attention away form the foreign policy driven primary they're trying to create.

BREAKING: After Scrapping AR-15 Ammo Ban, ATF Director B. Todd Jones Resigning






http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/20/breaking-atf-director-b-todd-jones-resigning-controversy-over-ammo-ban-cited-n1973746?utm_source=BreakingOnTownhallWidget_4&utm_medium=story&utm_campaign=BreakingOnTownhall

Legislation is introduced into committee, and the ranking majority member of a committee (Now, GOP in both houses) has the say on it.  This guy will get some headlines, but his bill will never get to the floor of the House or Senate.  Never. 

I realize that's a side issue from the generally dismal performance of the Repubs, which is largely due to Boerhner and which is opposed by the "Tea Party" congressmen, who seem to be the only ones that make any sense.

Boerhner is and has been a real problem.

Underneath these statements, there is another level of reality which is sort of like "these washington guys are hopeless..."

Progress has been made at the state level, look at the history of concealed carry.

RE the AR-15 ammo ban, the real problem is that they are lying and trying to shoehorn things into categories with those lies.  Some of us out here are fully aware about different levels of ballistic armor and the fact that cop bulletproof vests don't stop rifle bullets.

Here is what the standard "bullet proof vest" stops.

For body armor to have a rating of Type IIIA, the National Institute of Justice requires that vests stop the following bullets:

http://www.bulletproofvestshop.com/pages/The-Facts-about-Bulletproof-Vest-Type-IIIA-Rating.html

    .22LR – A long rifle lead round nose bullet with a caliber of .22 impacting at a minimum velocity of 1050 feet per second, with a nominal mass of 40 gr.
    .380ACP – A full metal jacket round nose bullet with a caliber of .380 impacting at a minimum velocity of 1025 feet per second, with a nominal mass of 95 gr.
    9mm – Full metal jacketed round nose 9mm bullets, which impacts the vest at a minimum velocity of 1090 feet per second and a nominal mass of 124gr.
    .40 – Full metal jacket .40 S&W bullets that impact at a minimum velocity of 1025 feet per second and a nominal mass of 180 gr.
    9mm – Full metal jacketed round nose bullets that impact at a velocity of 1,175 feet per second and have a nominal mass of 124 grams.
    .357 – Magnum jacketed soft bullets with a caliber of .357 that impact at a velocity of 1,400 feet per second and have a nominal mass of 158 grams.
    9mm – Full metal jacketed round nose bullets with a caliber of 9mm, impacting at a velocity 1,400 feet per second, with a nominal mass of 124 grams.

To get better protection you spend more and add ceramic plates (and weight).

 SAPI Ceramic Plates (Level III in conjuction with level 3A vest) Features:

 Weight at 2.6kg each this is the lightest plate around that offers such a high level of protection. Size: 10X12 inches.

The NIJ 3 level for armor plate protects against following bullets:

    7.62mmX39mm bullets (steel core) launched from AK-47 rifle.

    5.56mm SS109 bullets (semi-steel core) launched from M16 automatic rifle.

    7.62mmX51mm 80 type bullets (lead core) launched from M14 automatic rifle.

    .44 – Magnum jacketed hollow point bullets with a caliber of .44, impacting at a velocity of 1,400 feet per second and a nominal mass of 240 grams.

No, the US. I am a single issue voter for self-defense (you only have rights if you're alive), so I don't pay that much attention to other issues, but what little I have heard is that the GOP, since winning a majority in the last election, has no longer opposed any type of bill in Congress that they have historically opposed.

Considering those recent developments, I have no reason to believe they won't do the same for guns, especially since they've also had decades to repeal "gun control"/victim disarmament laws, and have hardly done shit but let the AWB sunset and undo the National Parks gun ban.

We’ve commented before on the raging gun control hypocrisy of actor Liam Neeson.

The Irishman has banked millions appearing in action films as a gun-toting vigilante slaughtering everyone in his way, but certainly doesn’t think much of your right to defend yourself against people who would do the same to you:

“There’s too many [expletive] guns out there,” he continued. “Especially in America. I think the population is like, 320 million? There’s over 300 million guns. Privately owned, in America. I think it’s a [expletive] disgrace. Every week now we’re picking up a newspaper and seeing, ‘Yet another few kids have been killed in schools.’”

A group of polticially-motivaed California artists have decided to taken on Neeson’s hypocrisy by putting up fake movie posters around Hollywood that mock his latest gun-toting movie, Run All Night.



http://bearingarms.com/anti-gun-action-star-liam-neeson-mocked-fake-poster-new-movie-premiers/

I have a vague recollection you were in Germany?  Correct me if I am wrong on that.  There is by no means a GOP/DEM split on gun control - that's one faction of the democrats ONLY.  There are many democrats who would be immediately voted out of office if that showed an anti-gun vote. 

This is in contrast to issues like "climate change" where the parties do seem to line up rank and file.

They haven't already rubberstamped his shit in general? All I keep reading is that GOP was elected to the majority and has abdicated responsibility.

Are you fucking kidding? 

It won't even get out of committee.

And of course the Republicans will vote or NV for it, and it will pass, because they are a bunch of fucking cunts who when it really counts, will rubber-stamp whatever the totalitarian sociopath in chief, regardless of party, wants.

House Democrats Filing Bill To Ban AR-15 Ammunition After ATF Shelved Proposed Ban Over Public Outcry…


Democrats are pressing new legislation in the House that would ban forms of armor-piercing ammunition.

Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) is pushing the Armor Piercing Bullets Act followingthe Obama administration’s decision earlier this week to withdraw a controversial proposal that would restrict 5.56 mm projectiles for M855 cartridges commonly used in AR-15 rifles.

“Armor-piercing rounds like green tips should only be in the hands of military personnel or police officers, period,” Engel said. “There is absolutely no compelling argument to be made for anyone else to have access to them.”

“But the out-of-touch gun industry lobby is fighting tooth and nail to keep cop-killing ammunition on the streets. We need to speak up on behalf of our police officers and say ‘stop the madness, ’” he added.

Engel’s legislation, expected to be introduced Friday, would restrict the sale of the 5.56 mm projectiles, which can can penetrate police body armor.

“Deers do not wear body armor,” a spokesman for Engel joked. “No, I have never met a deer that walks around in Kevlar.”

Even as they pursue legislation, congressional Democrats are also pushing for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to move ahead with restrictions on the armor-piercing bullets.


http://thehill.com/regulation/legislation/235531-dems-pushing-bullet-ban-legislation

We are trying to redefine what Transparency and Accountability, two of the central pillars of good governance should be, kilobits by kilobits with the bitcoin paradigm shift. We'll get there, eventually.

 

True that. And why anti abortion right wingers have a "private" family doctor.  I guess people just love making rules for other people to live by while justifying an exception for themselves.

That is why all famous anti gun leftists have bodyguards to carry the guns they hate, for them...

If you don't like this you should organize a protest, peaceful of course, but make it known that you're unhappy. Gather as many people as possible and protest as much as you can. A sit in or general "occupy" style movement will help you get the most attention to your concerns. You can also have people contact their congress reps to relay your discontent.

In the future anyone will be able to download a model of a gun and 3D print it, including the bullets. You should watch the documentary.

I thought this was going nowhere. If using executive action to thwart the desires of a few over the many it could be called leadership. But when using it to advance the desires of a few it's best called tyranny.
In America guns are to the left what abortion is to the right. Something that was settled long ago by the public but is still argued by a tiny minority who just can't let it go.

  The "Right" way to understand the ATF is as a bunch of guys that collect TAXES on alcohol, tobacco and firearms.  Not as law enforcement.  They may have semi-evolved or devolved into a weird sort of law enforcement, but that's not what they should have been. 

They also handle a bunch of stuff having to do with tracking and sales of explosives materials. 

Basically, a bunch of clerks.  So yeah, they could move in under the FBI.  I'd be for just eliminating the federal taxes on alcohol and tobacco, those don't make any sense, at least to me.  States do it too.

Legislation Introduced to Eliminate ATF



Republican Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner has introduced legislation to eliminate the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, a federal law enforcement agency with 5000 employees. If passed, the legislation would dissolve the duties of ATF to the FBI and DEA. From the legislation:

To abolish the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, transfer
its functions relating to the Federal firearms, explosives, and arson laws, violent crime, and domestic terrorism to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and transfer its functions relating to the Federal alcohol and tobacco smuggling laws to the Drug Enforcement Administration, and for other purposes.


“Washington should be responsible stewards of the American taxpayers’ money. While all too often that is not the case, this is a good government bill to streamline agency activity at DOJ—increasing effectiveness while decreasing cost. The ATF is a largely duplicative, scandal ridden agency that lacks a clear mission. It is plagued by backlogs, funding gaps, hiring challenges and a lack of leadership. For decades it has been branded by high profile failures. There is also significant overlap with other agencies. At a time when we are approaching $18 trillion in debt, waste and redundancy within our federal agencies must be addressed. Without a doubt, we can fulfill the role of the ATF more efficiently," Sensenbrenner said in a statement about the ATF Elimination Act.

According to Sensenbrenner there are two main goals for the legislation, "to eliminate and reduce duplicative functions and waste to the maximum extent possible, and to report to Congress with a detailed plan on how the transition will take place."

The legislation comes after years of corruption, Operation Fast and Furious and after a series of ATF stings in Sensenbrenner's home state of Wisconsin where agents took advantage of mentally disabled teenagers by giving them neck tattoos and teaching them how to commit crimes. ATF agents also lost track of a fully-automatic machine gun in Milwaukee after it was stolen from an unattended government vehicle.



http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/09/17/legislation-introduced-to-get-rid-of-atf-n1893092


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The FBI is good enough I say...

The ATF was formerly part of the United States Department of the Treasury, having been formed in 1886 as the "Revenue Laboratory" within the Treasury Department's Bureau of Internal Revenue. The history of ATF can be subsequently traced to the time of the revenuers or "revenoors"[7] and the Bureau of Prohibition, which was formed as a unit of the Bureau of Internal Revenue in 1920. It was made an independent agency within the Treasury Department in 1927, was transferred to the Justice Department in 1930, and became, briefly, a division of the FBI in 1933.

Surprised there isn't a Bureau of Printing Presses, Quartering, and Confession-Torturing, or pick your own human rights to make an agency solely dedicated to infringing them.

It's an odd and curious agency, that's for sure.  I mean, if some guys were sitting around designing a country and one said...

"HEY!  I GOT THIS GREAT IDEA!  Let's create an agency that handles ALCOHOL and TOBACCO and FIREARMS!"

...the other guys would think this dude was nuts....

Ban the ATF anyway. Their evil and false pretenses needs to stop.

#blackriflelivesmatter

Yeah, but those tanks are really cool.  You have to take a look inside one sometime.  And the AH-64s I heard can fly loops.  So like, sure the 130s are cool but this other junk is, too.

And the AR-15?  It's a Black Rifle.  Now just think.  You can't say that about an  AK47.

So There!

ATF shelves bullet ban proposal



The Obama administration is pulling back a controversial proposal to ban a form of armor-piercing ammunition commonly used in AR-15 hunting rifles.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) said it will not seek to issue a final framework for the rule “at this time” after receiving more than 80,000 comments on the proposal, the “vast majority” of which were negative.

"You spoke, we listened," the ATF tweeted.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) and other gun-rights groups assailed the proposal, and were joined by Republicans in demanding that it be withdrawn.

Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said he is "pleased that the Obama administration has abandoned its attack on the Second Amendment."

"It is entirely inappropriate for President Obama to stretch his regulatory authority to implement partisan policies that Congress has refused to enact. Such an abuse of power would impact many law-abiding gun owners and restrict the American people’s ability to legally and responsibly exercise their Second Amendment rights," Goodlatte said in a statement.

Gun advocates feared the proposal would open the floodgates to new ammunition bans, with far-reaching implications for gun owners.

While the bullets under consideration have traditionally been used by hunters and sportsmen in AR-15 rifles, the ATF had argued the ammunition can now be used in certain handguns, giving criminals easier access.

Senate Republicans on Tuesday had ramped up the pressure on the ATF to scrap the plan, arguing in a letter that “Second Amendment rights require not only access to firearms, but to bullets.”

“If law-abiding gun owners cannot obtain rifle ammunition, or face substantial difficulty in finding ammunition available and at reasonable prices because government entities are banning such ammunition, then the Second Amendment is at risk,” wrote 53 Senate Republicans.

Last week, hundreds of House Republicans sent a similar letter to the agency demanding it “abandon” the rule.

“Under no circumstances should ATF adopt a standard that will ban ammunition that is overwhelmingly used by law-abiding Americans for legitimate purposes,” the House lawmakers wrote.


http://thehill.com/regulation/pending-regs/235216-atf-shelves-proposed-bullet-ban

Ironic how 100% of gun ban by any other name (aka "gun control" aka infringement) supporters fall into at least one of these categories: 1) hypocritically own gun(s) 2) have at least one gun-carrying bodyguard 3) have committed violent felonies 4) say they would commit violent felonies if their victims were disarmed for their safety 5) say they want to murder (or murder by government proxy) all law-abiding, mentally sound gun owners 6) pretend they don't know the history they want to repeat results in tens, hundreds of millions dumped into mass graves.

#NotOneMore democide.

I hope this is some pathetic attempt at trolling the thread and not your actual opinion.

It's hard to find a gun ban supporter who has something to back his view besides the usual "guns are for killing, bans are needed because people are stupid and would shoot everyone the moment they'd be allowed to have a gun." I guess we should also ban knives, bows, slingshots and air rifles.

To not have to kill people, because at least 99% of violent criminals have a self-preservation instinct and fear/are deterred by armed victims, and most of the remaining 1% that plead insanity also choose "gun free zones" only for their safety, so they can kill themselves after minutes/hours, instead of being stopped a few seconds after they begin. But anyone intelligent to use a computer knows that.


"No problem at all" when governments manipulate their violent crime definitions to make stats appear that they don't have higher per capita violent crime than the US cities with the least "gun control" (laws which disarm only law-abiding/sane/sober victims), sure. But anyone intelligent to use a computer knows that, and cannot force me to waste my time copying and pasting the same stats and non-debunked/retracted peer-reviewed research over and over and over and over again, just to get off on watching me waste time correcting their Criminal Safety Advocacy.


Bread and circuses.

Who the frick even needs an AR-15? To kill people?
Come one, 99/100 country's have a ban on weapons and there is no problem at all, and you Americans are crying and yelling if someone touches those damn things, not to mention the shootouts I regularly hear about on the news here in Europe. Get your shit together and throw those things in a melting oven and build some baking forms/school tables/lampposts out of the metal you get. And in the proces, get rid of those redicilous army bases and 100.000 Abraham tanks and 50.000 AH-64 heli's. You can keep the C-130J's though, they are one of my favorite planes...

Well you know, if conditions didn't improve after banning some of that bad ammo, the only logical and right thing to do would be to classify some more ammo as "bad ammo", then run around talking about how it had to be banned also.


(according to Perverted Authoritarian Liberal Controllers, of course).

Actually maybe there is a 2nd amendment right to "armor piercing rounds."

The likely equivalent to rogue Indian terrorists of the American West is Islamic terrorists, and they as likely as not might have bulletproof vests.

Totalitarians always want to take their victims' guns, and always love having their minions lie about it.

"No one wants to take your guns" until they do.

ATF Calls Stripping Ban Exemption for AR-15 Green Tip Ammunition a "Publishing Mistake"



Yesterday I exclusively reported that common AR-15 "green tip" ammunition has already been banned in the new 2014 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Regulation Guide, which was published in January. After the story received wide public attention, which you can read in full here,  ATF released a response Friday night at 9:12 p.m. blaming a publishing error for stripping out the "armor piercing" and ban exemption for AR-15 "green tip" ammunition.





On Feb. 13, 2015, ATF released for public comment a proposed framework, including legal and technical analysis, to guide its determination on what ammunition is "primarily intended for sporting purposes" for purposes of granting exemptions to the Gun Control Act’s prohibition on Armor Piecing Ammunition.This proposed framework is posted for public comment only; no final decisions have been made as to its adoption.

Media reports have noted that the 2014 ATF Regulation Guide published online does not contain a listing of the exemptions for Armor Piercing Ammunition, and concluding that the absence of this listing indicates these exemptions have been rescinded.

Please be advised that ATF has not rescinded any Armor Piercing Ammunition exemption, and the fact they are not listed in the 20 14 online edition of the regulations, was an error, which has no legal impact on the validity of the exemptions. The existing exemptions for armor piercing ammunition, which apply to 5.56 mm (.223) SS 109 and M855 projectiles (identified by a green coating on the projectile tip), and the U.S .30-06 M2AP projectile (identified by a black coating on the projectile tip), remain in effect.

The listing of Armor Piercing Ammunition exemptions can be found in the 2005 ATF Regulation Guide on page 166, which is posted here. The 2014 Regulation Guide will be corrected in PDF format to include the listing of Armor Piercing Ammunition exemptions and posted shortly. The e-book/iBook version of the Regulation Guide will be corrected in the near future. ATF apologizes for any confusion caused by this publishing error.


Most importantly, if you're in possession of AR-15 "green tip" ammunition, legally you're good to go in most states and not in possession of "armor piercing" ammunition. Because of the "publishing error" in the 2014 Regulation Guide, ATF has advised FFL's and others to reference the 2005 Regulation Guidebook, where the ammunition is still exempted.

Despite ATF saying there's "nothing to analyze here folks," this simple "publishing mistake" deserves scrutiny. Considering the Office of Management and Budget must approve new Regulation Guides, which come out approximately every 10 years, are difficult to change and take months to review, that's quite the "publishing mistake." As ATF references, the exemption for AR-15 "green tip" ammunition is in the 2005 ATF Regulation Guide. For this "publishing mistake" to occur, someone would have had to delete an entire section from the guide, which just happens to be the section about ammunition the Obama administration is currently trying to ban.


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Somehow this "publishing mistake" looks a lot like "deleting" ammunition ATF is trying to ban without the consent of Congress or a proper public comment period as required by law. Also, keep in mind what ATF Director B. Todd Jones says about the 2014 Regulation Guide, that it "contains new and amended statutes enacted since publication of the 2005 edition, as well as updated regulations and rulings issued by ATF." Was this a "publishing mistake," or an updated regulation or ruling issued by ATF to quietly and unilaterally ban AR-15 "green tip" ammunition? It certainly looks like the latter.


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/03/07/atf-calls-stripping-exemption-for-ar15-green-tip-ammo-a-publishing-mistake-n1967168



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Hmmm...

 

Well it worked. About every place is sold out of M855 ammo.   Ones that aren't have it marked up to the sky.  Talk about an awesome salesman.    Now he just needs to say Bitcoin is being banned and everyone will run out and buy it all up.  LOL

That's what I said earlier in the thread and thats exactly what happened when they tried to limit clip sizes, because according to them only terrorists need the big ones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN4hX4ODBDA

Years ago they even had plans to raid people's homes, because if you're stocking up on guns and ammo you're probably planning a terrorist attack. This caused a small panic among gun collectors and enthusiasts in the US some time ago.

Not gona happen. I know dozens of shooters with brass, dies, etc. Not gona happen.

Police say Obama bullet ban isn't needed, AR-15 round isn't a threat


More...http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/police-say-obama-bullet-ban-isnt-needed-ar-15-round-isnt-a-threat/article/2560964

The only thing I can see going on here is that sales of this type of ammo are gonna go through the roof. Not to mention, lots of money flowing into pro-gun groups.

This is a trick and trap. Many people will believe Obama has the right to control their lives in this way. Rather, it is the other way around. The only possible way that he might have this authority is in the case of a national emergency. But, if that emergency is terrorism, the opposite of this executive action should take place. People should be armed to the hilt, just to protect themselves from the terrorists.

As men and women, we have power over government, through the courts, if we only take the time to learn how easy it is to use the courts. Arms and ammo are our property. If we make the arms and ammo from scratch, they are our property that we made from other of our property.

We have the right to contract. If we contract with someone, so that we are not making an offer to the public, then we can trade our property - arms and ammo that we have made - for their property - their labor in the form of money.

It's about time that we stop making public offers for some of the things that we sell to people. Rather, let's make proper agreements in the form of contracts with others, so that our offer is a private offer. If we do this, we come out from under virtually all the rules and regulations of government.

If you weren't selling the marijuana, if you were only using it, and if they take it from you, require and demand in court that the man or woman you have harmed by your action of smoking pot get on the stand and show how your actions harmed him/her. If nobody comes forward, require your property back. Do this even for the property of your body if they have taken you and thrown you in jail. Then sue the pants off them (their bond), individually and personally, for even touching you, a man or woman.

You will win if you do it right, so study now, while you have time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

Almost everyone in CH owns a gun.

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/jfl5p/this_is_apparently_normal_in_switzerland/

I agree 100%
The real vest penetrators like FN Five-seven have been around for years. They are known to penetrate IIIA armor that is made to stop 44 magnum rounds.
Not even a steel plate can protect you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEnqjSqqXIs unless it's a full level III armor plate.

I have no idea why they are banning the "bigger" guns and their bullets. Concealed weapons are much more deadly then weapons that cannot be hidden.

What's going on here is that there are different levels of bulletproof vests.  Lightweight ones, such as cops wear, will stop pistol bullets but not rifle bullets.  They will not, however, stop specialized "cop killer" bullets that exist for some pistols.  That is exotic stuff, think James Bond and such.

Now some "pistols" get made that fire the 223 cartridge, which is a rifle cartridge.  The argument is somehow that now that the round is fired from a pistol, it is a "cop killer."

This is crazy talk and legaleze.  These pistols are not really even good for anything, they remind me of 50 cal desert eagle and the 50 cal Glock conversions.  Sort of bragging rights but not practical, either for self defense or anything else.

I can't see standing an shooting an 800 pound charging wild pig with one of these, as one example.

exactly. it's the job of the SA. when a SS or WM handlers was going nuts, to the camp like the others mof or S.E. if the crime requires it, at the judgment of the officer of the SA in charge.

The main prerequisite for democide in Europe was to disarm the people that were intended to be democided. Fuck "the world is gray and morals are relative" sociopathic bullshit.

Do I think a gun can stop a nuclear weapon, et al? No, but mutineers with guns refusing to commit democide can shoot the evil bastards who are willing to "just follow orders". And they must, with an event that could mean the extinction of the human race, on the line.

ahahaha, now I know you lied... peacefull = you can do what you want? I prefer the Gun laws of the West... be carefull, be honest, trust in God, and maybe you will live... ahah aha.

The comparison he makes makes no sense. The way it's measured in both countries is different. Violent crime includes a lot more offenses in the UK. And the rate of homicides is higher in America. As you would expect from people using guns instead of knives.

@TheButterZone that's a very black and white view. You really think having a few guns will prevent a government from killing you? Even if they don't immediately they will criminalize your life. And get others to come for you or isolate you from society. Best bet is to change the government before it gets to using guns.

Peaceful for the demociders, sure. https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

I live in one of those countries and imagine that today they found a 17 yo girl stabbed in the heart. She was cycling through a park at night and was attacked.
Some other cases? Few years ago some guy was killed with a machete in broad daylight on the street. I personally know a guy that was stabbed in the neck and barely survived and another guy, who was stabbed in the leg, also in the middle of the day on the street (they wanted to rob him but he refused to give them anything so they left a knife in his thigh). Things like sabres, swords, throwing knives are all available in stores and every teenager can have one. FYI if you get attacked on the street by someone proficient with a knife you have no chance if you don't have something better with you.

Oh, and if you want to get a gun to kill somebody you still can, just like Breivik in Norway or this teenager in Germany http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting

Not all cops are good but they almost all have guns.

Europe has always been peaceful, even before the invention of the gun... Love and peace, gun free for thousand of years. Not so much after the invention of the USA though...

 

UK has 8 times higher violent crime rate than us, and thats completely gun free:
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/uk-violent-crime-rate-eight-times-higher-than-the-us/

Some of the most peaceful countries are in europe and they don't let you have any guns.

First they wanted to ban large mags now this and just as back then it will just make people stock up on it. and pump up the prices.
“As a police officer I'm not worried about AR pistols because you can see them. It's the small gun in a guy's hand you can't see that kills you.” - So true.

It’s starting.

As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is proposing to put the ban on 5.56 mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president.


Wednesday night, Rep. Bob Goodlatte, the Republican chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, stepped in with a critical letter to the bureau demanding it explain the surprise and abrupt bullet ban. The letter is shown below.

The National Rifle Association, which is working with Goodlatte to gather co-signers, told Secrets that 30 House members have already co-signed the letter and Goodlatte and the NRA are hoping to get a total of 100 fast.

"The Obama administration was unable to ban America's most popular sporting rifle through the legislative process, so now it's trying to ban commonly owned and used ammunition through regulation," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA-ILA, the group's policy and lobby shop. "The NRA and our tens of millions of supporters across the country will fight to stop President Obama's latest attack on our Second Amendment freedoms."

At issue is so-called “armor-piercing” ammunition, an exemption for those bullets mostly used for sport by AR-15 owners, and the recent popularity of pistol-style ARs that use the ammo.

The inexpensive 5.56 M885 ammo, commonly called green tips, have been exempt for years, as have higher-caliber ammunition that also easily pierces the type of soft armor worn by police, because it’s mostly used by target shooters, not criminals. The agency proposes to reclassify it as armor-piercing and not exempt.

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But now BATFE says that since the bullets can be used in semi-automatic handguns they pose a threat to police and must be banned from production, sale and use. But, as Goodlatte noted, the agency offered no proof. Federal agencies will still be allowed to buy the ammo.

“This round is amongst the most commonly used in the most popular rifle design in America, the AR-15. Millions upon millions of M855 rounds have been sold and used in the U.S., yet ATF has not even alleged — much less offered evidence — that even one such round has ever been fired from a handgun at a police officer,” said Goodlatte’s letter.

Even some police don’t buy the administration’s claim. “Criminals aren't going to go out and buy a $1,000 AR pistol,” Brent Ball, owner of 417 Guns in Springfield, Mo., and a 17-year veteran police officer told the Springfield News-Leader. “As a police officer I'm not worried about AR pistols because you can see them. It's the small gun in a guy's hand you can't see that kills you.”

Many see the bullet ban as an assault on the AR-15 and Obama’s back-door bid to end production and sale.

“We are concerned,” said Justin Anderson with Hyatt Gun Shop in Charlotte, N.C., one of the nation’s top sellers of AR-15 style rifles. “Frankly, we're always concerned when the government uses back-door methods to impose quasi-gun control.”

Groups like the National Shooting Sports Foundation suggest that under BATFE’s new rule, other calibers like popular deer hunting .308 bullets could be banned because they also are used in AR-15s, some of which can be turned into pistol-style guns. “This will have a detrimental effect on hunting nationwide,” said the group.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2560750


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Internet = free speech = 1st Amendment. 0bama wants to control it.
Now this attack on the 2nd Amendment. He does not care anymore. No more masks.