Topic: Official statement regarding sale of Satoshi Poker (Read 11064 times)
It looks like BurnTurn Poker is continuing to upset people quite a bit despite still not launching. I just stumbled across http://burnturn.org, which humorously uses the BurnTurn name but looks to be a site dedicated to linking to the various controversies around the brand and urging caution in dealing with them. While the site still hasn't launched, it does look like their Twitter feed is still being posted to pretty regularly so I'd assume a launch is coming at some point.
and where is BumTurn poker now? i cannot even register at the http://burnturn.eu/#/register
Ok that was a good read. 
I was hoping Satoshi Poker comes back really soon but it was already sold to others. hmmmm
I was hoping Satoshi Poker comes back really soon but it was already sold to others. hmmmm Ragnar, Brandon, BurnTurn Team,
With paying out you have really earned my respect and as for that I forgive you for the lies that you guys spread about me. Good luck with the launch of BurnTurn.
With paying out you have really earned my respect and as for that I forgive you for the lies that you guys spread about me. Good luck with the launch of BurnTurn.
Nice gesture from you guys!
Ragnar, Brandon, BurnTurn Team,
With paying out you have really earned my respect and as for that I forgive you for the lies that you guys spread about me. Good luck with the launch of BurnTurn.
With paying out you have really earned my respect and as for that I forgive you for the lies that you guys spread about me. Good luck with the launch of BurnTurn.
Plo8 chimes in: NEWS FLASH !!!
Brandon Casten of Burnturn, contacted me to day to settle my account.
He made a partial payment with the balance contingent on me cleaning up this thread.
The following is my effort to be fair and clear this issue.
In all fairness, Bart the previous owner is the reason it has taken so long to get this done.
Im sure the books he handed over to Branden had been cooked to some extent. Bart was robbing Peter
to pay Paul, until finally he had to rob Paul, and tell Paul, Peter did it. The players funds should never
have been accessible to Bart. He made a mess of SP in the end. I kept my 10 bitcoin on site to cover players funds.
Hell i even deposited money so players could withdraw. I hope players realize as a pro for the site that I never ever had any access to back end functions of the site. As so many of you know me personally, You know i am a bitcoin evangelist. It bothers me deeply all the bad press behind this issue of refunds by the new owner to players of the previous Satoshipoker.
I can only imagine what the books looked like, when he handed them over to Brandon, In all fairness i believe Branden and Ragnar are doing thier very best to get players refunded. I dont envy his job. I spent a lot of time cleaning up behind Bart, as many of you know. The thing is i have directed previous players to the email for Ragnar and they have all (everyone of them) reported to me they got their refunds... This makes me very happy and I think Burnturn should receive kudos for finally getting this mess cleaned up. KUDO's !!!
It is deepest wish that every one to the very last player, to the very .01 mBtc, gets thier funds back.
I am "NOW CERTAIN" they will, as i see most have been repaid to date. And to be completely honest: Branden reaching out to me to get me paid is a good sign... Understand mine was the largest by far to be paid off.. And Branden reached out to me today. For this i must say TY Brandon. (A personal man to man, cyber handshake is in order..TY Branden)
I wish your site the very best. By reaching out to me today, shows character! (imho) When dealing with other peoples money there is nothing more important than character. Thank you good sir.
~~plo8 ( breathes a deep sigh of relief)
Brandon Casten of Burnturn, contacted me to day to settle my account.
He made a partial payment with the balance contingent on me cleaning up this thread.
The following is my effort to be fair and clear this issue.
In all fairness, Bart the previous owner is the reason it has taken so long to get this done.
Im sure the books he handed over to Branden had been cooked to some extent. Bart was robbing Peter
to pay Paul, until finally he had to rob Paul, and tell Paul, Peter did it. The players funds should never
have been accessible to Bart. He made a mess of SP in the end. I kept my 10 bitcoin on site to cover players funds.
Hell i even deposited money so players could withdraw. I hope players realize as a pro for the site that I never ever had any access to back end functions of the site. As so many of you know me personally, You know i am a bitcoin evangelist. It bothers me deeply all the bad press behind this issue of refunds by the new owner to players of the previous Satoshipoker.
I can only imagine what the books looked like, when he handed them over to Brandon, In all fairness i believe Branden and Ragnar are doing thier very best to get players refunded. I dont envy his job. I spent a lot of time cleaning up behind Bart, as many of you know. The thing is i have directed previous players to the email for Ragnar and they have all (everyone of them) reported to me they got their refunds... This makes me very happy and I think Burnturn should receive kudos for finally getting this mess cleaned up. KUDO's !!!
It is deepest wish that every one to the very last player, to the very .01 mBtc, gets thier funds back.
I am "NOW CERTAIN" they will, as i see most have been repaid to date. And to be completely honest: Branden reaching out to me to get me paid is a good sign... Understand mine was the largest by far to be paid off.. And Branden reached out to me today. For this i must say TY Brandon. (A personal man to man, cyber handshake is in order..TY Branden)
I wish your site the very best. By reaching out to me today, shows character! (imho) When dealing with other peoples money there is nothing more important than character. Thank you good sir.
~~plo8 ( breathes a deep sigh of relief)
Plo8 chimes in: NEWS FLASH !!!
Brandon Casten of Burnturn, contacted me to day to settle my account.
He made a partial payment with the balance contingent on me cleaning up this thread.
The following is my effort to be fair and clear this issue.
In all fairness, Bart the previous owner is the reason it has taken so long to get this done.
Im sure the books he handed over to Branden had been cooked to some extent. Bart was robbing Peter
to pay Paul, until finally he had to rob Paul, and tell Paul, Peter did it. The players funds should never
have been accessible to Bart. He made a mess of SP in the end. I kept my 10 bitcoin on site to cover players funds.
Hell i even deposited money so players could withdraw. I hope players realize as a pro for the site that I never ever had any access to back end functions of the site. As so many of you know me personally, You know i am a bitcoin evangelist. It bothers me deeply all the bad press behind this issue of refunds by the new owner to players of the previous Satoshipoker.
I can only imagine what the books looked like, when he handed them over to Brandon, In all fairness i believe Branden and Ragnar are doing thier very best to get players refunded. I dont envy his job. I spent a lot of time cleaning up behind Bart, as many of you know. The thing is i have directed previous players to the email for Ragnar and they have all (everyone of them) reported to me they got their refunds... This makes me very happy and I think Burnturn should receive kudos for finally getting this mess cleaned up. KUDO's !!!
It is deepest wish that every one to the very last player, to the very .01 mBtc, gets thier funds back.
I am "NOW CERTAIN" they will, as i see most have been repaid to date. And to be completely honest: Branden reaching out to me to get me paid is a good sign... Understand mine was the largest by far to be paid off.. And Branden reached out to me today. For this i must say TY Brandon. (A personal man to man, cyber handshake is in order..TY Branden)
I wish your site the very best. By reaching out to me today, shows character! (imho) When dealing with other peoples money there is nothing more important than character. Thank you good sir.
~~plo8 ( breathes a deep sigh of relief)
Brandon Casten of Burnturn, contacted me to day to settle my account.
He made a partial payment with the balance contingent on me cleaning up this thread.
The following is my effort to be fair and clear this issue.
In all fairness, Bart the previous owner is the reason it has taken so long to get this done.
Im sure the books he handed over to Branden had been cooked to some extent. Bart was robbing Peter
to pay Paul, until finally he had to rob Paul, and tell Paul, Peter did it. The players funds should never
have been accessible to Bart. He made a mess of SP in the end. I kept my 10 bitcoin on site to cover players funds.
Hell i even deposited money so players could withdraw. I hope players realize as a pro for the site that I never ever had any access to back end functions of the site. As so many of you know me personally, You know i am a bitcoin evangelist. It bothers me deeply all the bad press behind this issue of refunds by the new owner to players of the previous Satoshipoker.
I can only imagine what the books looked like, when he handed them over to Brandon, In all fairness i believe Branden and Ragnar are doing thier very best to get players refunded. I dont envy his job. I spent a lot of time cleaning up behind Bart, as many of you know. The thing is i have directed previous players to the email for Ragnar and they have all (everyone of them) reported to me they got their refunds... This makes me very happy and I think Burnturn should receive kudos for finally getting this mess cleaned up. KUDO's !!!
It is deepest wish that every one to the very last player, to the very .01 mBtc, gets thier funds back.
I am "NOW CERTAIN" they will, as i see most have been repaid to date. And to be completely honest: Branden reaching out to me to get me paid is a good sign... Understand mine was the largest by far to be paid off.. And Branden reached out to me today. For this i must say TY Brandon. (A personal man to man, cyber handshake is in order..TY Branden)
I wish your site the very best. By reaching out to me today, shows character! (imho) When dealing with other peoples money there is nothing more important than character. Thank you good sir.
~~plo8 ( breathes a deep sigh of relief)
plo wants his chips back! nobody will join ScamTurn.eu...
Hello Iplay4keeps, I just sent the BTC and hope you join us at BurnTurn.eu soon!
Anyone who wants their satoshi poker BTC back, please email [email protected]
Anyone who wants their satoshi poker BTC back, please email [email protected]
Ragnar how can I get my money off the site??
well, if you see the agreement in first post then there is a set amount of btc agreed upon, which he refuses to pay. 2nd, he chose to pay out a player from holland but put some basic bs in the email and since i know most of the players from holland on a better level than just site owner, I have enough grounds for legal action.
Besides that, the site will be done before they even started, when you show to scam people like this. I'm sure this thread will be brought up when they try to launch their site. Aside from that, I might not have the best reputation in this space, but plo8monster goes back years in bitcoin poker and knows most of y'all personally. Guess I don't even have to vouch for his integrity...
Almost done with finalizing the further legal steps. Will update you guys soon!
Besides that, the site will be done before they even started, when you show to scam people like this. I'm sure this thread will be brought up when they try to launch their site. Aside from that, I might not have the best reputation in this space, but plo8monster goes back years in bitcoin poker and knows most of y'all personally. Guess I don't even have to vouch for his integrity...
Almost done with finalizing the further legal steps. Will update you guys soon!
The BurnTurn team is done with responding to these redundant criticisms and will allow everyone to judge us on our actions, regardless of how you feel.
all comments are based on your actions.
reandundant criticisms? wtf... fact is you scam plo and we won´t let you sweep it under the carpet.
The BurnTurn team is done with responding to these redundant criticisms and will allow everyone to judge us on our actions, regardless of how you feel. I apologize for engaging in the bickering, which has made for terrible discourse on this forum. It is tough to see your name dragged through the mud and not respond.
This is my last post on this thread, so please contact us directly if you have any questions about your personal situation. We hope that you will enjoy BurnTurn.eu upon launch and thank you to those who have supported us!
This is my last post on this thread, so please contact us directly if you have any questions about your personal situation. We hope that you will enjoy BurnTurn.eu upon launch and thank you to those who have supported us!
This really has me bugged somehow. I thought you guys just messed up and have been blaming me for it to not lose your company's reputation due to the incompetence with which you seemed to have lost these files. To find out now that in fact you do have the files and have been basically straight up lying all this time just so you don't have to pay some people? That's just low. However, I have a prediction for you: you will fail your project, as a person without any integrity can't succeed long enough in the poker and especially bitcoin poker community. Eventually people will see you for what you are...
Thank you very much for posting this! At first, I am happy that you have been paid, as was my objective when selling Satoshi Poker. As second, the e-mail sent by George confirms that RagnarBT does have access to the transactions.sql in which can be found: Username, UserID, bitcoin address for withdrawal, timestamp and IP address of the person trying to withdraw.
Also, you have once more delivered the proof of continuing to blame me for your efforts when you just let the Namecheap dedicated server expire and now blame me for losing the files, while you now have admitted to have them in your possession.
Just to show what Brandon said about it when he was lacking and failed to pay for the server in time:
Just look at the date and the moment I sent him the email:
The entire deposit/withdrawal system was custom made thru Enterra's API. This mean that the Enterra software does not in any way store any IP address of any withdrawal transaction, as the API only takes the funds from account when withdrawing and puts a pending transaction in the Enterra backend without any further info. By confirming you have found the withdrawal based on his IP address, you have admitted you have access to all the pending withdrawals, including the withdrawals of the people you refuse to pay.
Ragnar, Brandon and George, I am asking you politely for the last time: please start paying also the people you are refusing to pay because you have personal issues with them or because the balance is too high, as you have admitted here you do have access to the pending withdrawals. Last, please refrain from your comments regarding me being responsible for you losing the dedicated server at namecheap, while I have handed you over all the credentials on the 23rd of may and you 'forgetting' to pay namecheap by the 6th of june and therefor 'losing' the files, which you now claim to have.
It is pretty obvious that when you agreed to take on a player debt of 22 BTC, of which 13 BTC was in the accounts and 8 was pending withdrawals, that you don't run away from these withdrawals 'because I lost some files' (read: you have the files, and you didn't prolongue the server with namecheap on purpose as you had all you need), when in fact you just don't want to pay.
If you continue your false allegations regarding the reason you are refusing to pay, I will file a lawsuit regarding slander and if you do not show instantly that you are honouring the agreement by paying the players for which you have now claimed to have the proper files, I will have the agreement terminated in court and hold you responsible for the damages you have caused.
Just to show full transparency regarding the matter, here is the chat log with Mr Brandon Casten, to whom the Enterra license has been transfered:
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[5/9/2014 2:46:09 AM] Brandon Casten: Look forward to speaking soon.
[5/9/2014 2:46:15 AM] brandon.casten: Bart,
[5/9/2014 5:26:47 AM] *** Bart van Oort has shared contact details with Brandon Casten. ***
[5/10/2014 1:19:07 AM] Bart van Oort: Hi brandon, just let me know 10 minutes in advance and ill be ready whenever you are
[5/10/2014 10:35:34 PM] Brandon Casten: Hi Bart, Can you chat now?
[5/10/2014 10:36:04 PM] Bart van Oort: yes, but my internet connection at this moment is too weak for voice
[5/10/2014 10:36:11 PM] Bart van Oort: im on public wifi
[5/10/2014 10:36:50 PM] Bart van Oort: I just finalized the backup plan for the route to take with Satoshi Poker if a sale doesn't occur
[5/10/2014 10:36:50 PM] Brandon Casten: That's ok. I'd prefer to be able to talk, so we can shoot for another time. I might have time later today or sometime tomorrow
[5/10/2014 10:37:19 PM] Bart van Oort: gimme 1 minute, let me get some phone credit and 3G package
[5/10/2014 10:37:46 PM] Brandon Casten: Sounds good.
[5/12/2014 1:19:47 AM] Bart van Oort: hi brandon will you be at the bitcoin summit in amsterdam?
[5/12/2014 5:11:20 AM] Brandon Casten: Hi Bart, Unfortunately, I was unable to make the trip. Would have loved it...
[5/12/2014 5:28:56 AM] Bart van Oort: It looks like i have to miss kt as well
[5/12/2014 5:29:30 AM] Bart van Oort: Kinda ironic. Bitcoin meeting in my home town, and owner of only dutch based poker site can't come...
[5/12/2014 5:29:45 AM] Bart van Oort: Will try everything possible though to still get there
[5/12/2014 5:30:05 AM] Bart van Oort: I worked out the ultimate backuo plan for sp
[5/12/2014 5:30:13 AM] Bart van Oort: What is ur poker site btw?
[5/12/2014 5:30:22 AM] Bart van Oort: Ill step by and play some hands ;)
[5/12/2014 6:40:07 PM] Brandon Casten: Ya I hope you can! My site is www.burnturn.eu. Still in development at this point
[5/12/2014 6:47:13 PM] Bart van Oort: Im signed up for the mailing list. Even if burnturn and sp turn out to have a separate future, ill come over and put in some time at the tables with my site pro :)
[5/12/2014 6:47:57 PM] Bart van Oort: Almost got my ticket back to holland covered to attend the bitcoin summit in amsterdam
[5/12/2014 6:49:40 PM] Bart van Oort: Since most of my investors are attending putting up together about 750 coins, i think i can find 50 more to continue it
[5/13/2014 6:46:40 PM] Brandon Casten: Sounds good Bart. So are you no longer interested in selling?
[5/13/2014 6:47:15 PM] Bart van Oort: i still am, but I need to have a backup plan if i can't find a buyer
[5/13/2014 6:48:01 PM] Brandon Casten: well I am very interested. I sent an email with my final questions that I need to review…did you see it?
[5/13/2014 6:48:31 PM] Bart van Oort: oh wow
[5/13/2014 6:48:44 PM] Bart van Oort: it seems like the missus has opened the mail...
[5/13/2014 6:48:54 PM] Bart van Oort: didnt notice i had new
[5/13/2014 6:51:44 PM] Brandon Casten: Haha. Just let me know when you have a chance to review. I'm off to a meeting now, but will be in touch.
[5/13/2014 6:52:26 PM] Bart van Oort: ok great, I will get you the financial data
[5/13/2014 6:52:41 PM] Brandon Casten: Thank you.
[5/15/2014 12:45:14 AM] *** Brandon Casten created a group conversation with plo8 monster.
Show group conversation ***
[5/15/2014 12:46:02 AM] Bart van Oort: Site pro said: he can call me, [edit: phone number removed] after noon tommorow
[5/15/2014 2:32:23 AM] Brandon Casten: Hi Bart, I have to admit I hate contracts, so I reached out to Enterra. I didn't mention your name, but they indicated that they would be ok transferring your account. I was hoping to talk to Dimitry at Enterra to discuss the details of your contract, but I obviously need your permission to do so. Would you be able to send Dimitry and email and copy me? Just let him know that you give me permission to discuss your account. My attarney is headed to Amsterdam right now, so he could potentially meet you in person with a sale agreement at the conference...
[5/15/2014 2:44:47 AM] Bart van Oort: Well this is the issue at enterra
[5/15/2014 2:45:01 AM] Bart van Oort: They gave 3 dmitry's as they are russian...
[5/15/2014 2:45:24 AM] Bart van Oort: I reached out to dmitry starostenkov who is CEO
[5/15/2014 2:45:51 AM] Bart van Oort: If you have spoken to ushakov i can reach out to him as well
[5/15/2014 2:55:35 AM] Brandon Casten: That's funny. It was Ushakov. I spoke to Jeremy on the phone but he said he needs Ushakov's approval
[5/15/2014 3:06:19 AM] Bart van Oort: Jeremy is like the sales assistant
[5/15/2014 3:06:49 AM] Bart van Oort: And when you do any business with enterra I advice you to avoid him like the plague
[5/15/2014 3:06:57 AM] Brandon Casten: haha. ok sounds good
[5/15/2014 3:07:04 AM] Bart van Oort: He makes promises because he is commission based
[5/15/2014 3:07:33 AM] Bart van Oort: And then ushakov and others say: did he promise that?
[5/15/2014 3:07:42 AM] Bart van Oort: And then jeremy denies
[5/15/2014 3:07:50 AM] Bart van Oort: I met this guy in person
[5/15/2014 3:08:00 AM] Bart van Oort: If ur in tampa go see him in person
[5/15/2014 3:08:08 AM] Bart van Oort: And base ur opinion on it
[5/15/2014 3:08:11 AM] Brandon Casten: Thank you for the heads up. I will work with Dimitry. I will see them in person.
[5/15/2014 3:08:27 AM] Bart van Oort: Not coming to same conclusion will cause you to lose a lot
[5/15/2014 3:08:38 AM] Bart van Oort: Ushakov?
[5/15/2014 3:08:49 AM] Bart van Oort: Does he require my permission?
[5/15/2014 3:10:16 AM] Brandon Casten: I just want to discuss the specifics of your account with Ushakov and he obviously can't do that without your permission. I just want to make sure that I can in fact transfer the agreement and start with a clean slate
[5/15/2014 3:50:28 AM] Bart van Oort: I asked him to grant you this permission 2h ago
[5/15/2014 3:55:59 AM] Bart van Oort: Im on mobile: can you add Dmitry Ushakov to the convo?
[5/15/2014 3:56:47 AM] Bart van Oort: And if u reallt want to play it well, you let enterrabitcoinpoker.com lift on it
[5/15/2014 3:57:36 AM] Bart van Oort: We were about to sky rocket until we faced an unexpected bill...
[5/15/2014 3:58:15 AM] Bart van Oort: Just to put it clear: i had to pay $8200 to these guys
[5/15/2014 3:58:27 AM] Bart van Oort: Didnt have the money and used money of customers
[5/15/2014 3:58:49 AM] Bart van Oort: Thinking the buffer was tight but enough
[5/15/2014 3:58:59 AM] Bart van Oort: Buffer turned out to be too tight
[5/15/2014 3:59:13 AM] Bart van Oort: And so: not enough
[5/15/2014 4:00:00 AM] Bart van Oort: And even though sp was my dream and has a big future ahead, i have to take my responsabilities for my player's sake
[5/15/2014 4:00:47 AM] Bart van Oort: Back against the wall. Selling a movement (not a project) at 20% of the investments in software
[5/15/2014 4:00:59 AM] Bart van Oort: Let alone the marketing...
[5/15/2014 4:30:04 AM] Brandon Casten: Thank you for all of the info. Did Dimitry say that he can chat with me?
[5/15/2014 10:06:21 AM] Bart van Oort: nope
[5/15/2014 10:06:25 AM] Bart van Oort: i havent spoken to ushakov
[5/15/2014 10:06:48 AM] Bart van Oort: just dmitry starostenkov (CEO of enterra) stating transfer of license is not an issue
[5/15/2014 10:08:04 AM] Brandon Casten: I'd be fine talking to him too. As long as I can have a discussion with on of their key executives, I can make a final decision.
[5/15/2014 10:08:45 AM] Bart van Oort: so just to make it clear for me
[5/15/2014 10:09:34 AM] Bart van Oort: if one of their key officials (dmitry or dmitry as jeremy's word is worth nothing) confirms that the license is transferable for this move, you are ready to move forward?
[5/15/2014 10:10:36 AM] Brandon Casten: As long as it is transferable and as long as I can have a clean slate with no debt inheritance, it is almost certain and I will have my lawyer draw up a contract and present it to you in Amsterdam
[5/15/2014 10:10:57 AM] Brandon Casten: I will be taking on the 14 BTC of debt though of course
[5/15/2014 10:11:17 AM] Bart van Oort: buying price is 25, of which i will take on the 14 btc...
[5/15/2014 10:13:25 AM] Brandon Casten: I'd like to talk to the enter team first and then we can discuss in greater detail, but I will move very quickly if everything checks out
[5/15/2014 10:13:46 AM] Brandon Casten: My computer auto-corrected, but I meant Enterra team
[5/15/2014 10:13:47 AM] Bart van Oort: me and plo8monster are the entire team
[5/15/2014 10:13:52 AM] Bart van Oort: ah ok
[5/15/2014 10:13:54 AM] Bart van Oort: :)
[5/15/2014 10:13:58 AM] Brandon Casten: Haha
[5/15/2014 10:14:09 AM] Brandon Casten: I'd like to talk with them tomorrow if possible
[5/15/2014 10:14:15 AM] Brandon Casten: But I move quickly
[5/15/2014 10:14:25 AM] Bart van Oort: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=570030.msg6681583#msg6681583
[5/15/2014 10:14:40 AM] Bart van Oort: players of our site are considering a group buy :P
[5/15/2014 10:16:10 AM] Brandon Casten: That's cool. I just want to do some due diligence here. I don't make business decisions without getting to know my potential partners. If I can't talk to Enterra before making a deal, I am simply uninterested
[5/15/2014 10:17:20 AM] Bart van Oort: i completely understand
[5/15/2014 10:17:46 AM] Bart van Oort: i just want you to know that only dmitry ushakov and dmitry starostenkov are able to make a final decision
[5/15/2014 10:17:59 AM] Bart van Oort: i wouldnt want you to make a decision based on jeremy's promises
[5/15/2014 10:18:06 AM] Bart van Oort: did that before and caused me harm
[5/15/2014 10:18:22 AM] Bart van Oort: yes i want to sell, but only if you understand fully what you are buying ;)
[5/15/2014 10:18:40 AM] Brandon Casten: I understand that Jeremy is not a decision maker. That's why I want to talk to a Dimitry
[5/15/2014 10:18:58 AM] Bart van Oort: but you are from tampa. you probably already did a check on jeremy, so you already know whats up ;)
[5/15/2014 10:19:07 AM] Bart van Oort: let me make things easier
[5/15/2014 10:19:32 AM] *** Bart van Oort created a group conversation with Dmitry Ushakov, Dmitry Starostenkov.
Show group conversation ***
[5/15/2014 10:20:22 AM] Bart van Oort: that is easier ;)
[5/15/2014 10:20:45 AM] Brandon Casten: Agreed. Thank you. I will seek a meeting tomorrow with them.
[5/15/2014 10:21:41 AM] Bart van Oort: thanks :)
[5/15/2014 10:21:53 AM] Bart van Oort: and I'm sorry for doing so much in skype
[5/15/2014 10:21:58 AM] Bart van Oort: it is just quicker...
[5/15/2014 10:24:55 AM] Brandon Casten: That's ok. Appreciate your accessability
[5/15/2014 10:25:31 AM] Brandon Casten: I've got an early start tomorrow so heading to bed, but I'll be in touch. Have a great night
[5/15/2014 10:43:23 AM] Bart van Oort: ok thanks
[5/15/2014 10:43:28 AM] Bart van Oort: have a great rest as well
[5/16/2014 1:59:31 AM] Bart van Oort: jeremy just asked permission to speak with you :)
[5/16/2014 2:00:56 AM] Brandon Casten: Yes, we are meeting tomorrow!
[5/16/2014 2:01:04 AM] Brandon Casten: Are you still going to Amsterdam?
[5/16/2014 2:02:03 AM] Bart van Oort: only if sale is done in time
[5/16/2014 2:02:06 AM] Bart van Oort: i am broke ;)
[5/16/2014 2:02:36 AM] Bart van Oort: if i had gone there i could easily raise another 50 coins for sp
[5/16/2014 2:03:00 AM] Brandon Casten: I hear you. Too bad...
[5/16/2014 2:04:31 AM] Bart van Oort: ultimate waste
[5/16/2014 3:04:58 AM] Bart van Oort: let me know how the conversation with Jeremy went :)
[5/16/2014 3:30:15 AM] Brandon Casten: Will do. I'm meeting with him tomorrow morning
[5/16/2014 3:30:30 AM] Bart van Oort: ok great :)
[5/17/2014 2:03:50 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart, one more question. Plo8Monster indicated that he is owed 8 BTC. Is this on top of the 14 that you owe to the other players? I met with Enterra today and am confutable on that end. I need to know exactly what is owed to the players of your site.
[5/17/2014 10:10:12 AM] Bart van Oort: 14 is owed to the players and 8 btc was originally a stake to plo8monster which he more than earned
[5/17/2014 10:10:28 AM] Bart van Oort: so yes, i owe him this 8
[5/17/2014 10:10:57 AM] Bart van Oort: hence the reason I said I'm selling for 25 to pay players and have a ticket home
[5/17/2014 2:05:09 PM] Brandon Casten: I'm disappointed that you weren't honest with me on that
[5/18/2014 12:12:22 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart- I just sent you an email with my offer
[5/18/2014 1:08:46 AM] Bart van Oort: hey just got home
[5/18/2014 2:18:15 AM] Bart van Oort: Sent a reply to the email. As it is basically what we have discussed since start I agree
[5/18/2014 2:38:55 AM] Bart van Oort: I apologize about the confusion regarding plo8monsters account
[5/18/2014 2:39:04 AM] Bart van Oort: I was assuming you were aware about it
[5/18/2014 2:39:20 AM] Bart van Oort: As i tols u im selling for player balances amd a ticket home
[5/18/2014 2:39:49 AM] Bart van Oort: As you can see 3 btc is more realistic for a ticket than 3+8btc...
[5/18/2014 7:20:59 PM] Bart van Oort: hi brandon, have you seen my last email regarding plo8monster?
[5/18/2014 10:56:14 PM] Bart van Oort: ?
[5/18/2014 10:57:24 PM] Brandon Casten: Hey just got home and saw it. I cannot distribute funds until we wrap the deal up. I have investors and have to act on their behalf as well. Hopefully we can get this done quickly and it won't matter. I have a call with my lawyer in a hour
[5/18/2014 10:58:23 PM] Bart van Oort: ok thank you
[5/18/2014 10:59:15 PM] Brandon Casten: But I certainly want to make sure he's taken care of and hope we can all start making money together sometime soon!
[5/18/2014 10:59:32 PM] Bart van Oort: i hope so
[5/18/2014 10:59:53 PM] Bart van Oort: however time is running out on both me and plo8monster
[5/18/2014 11:00:05 PM] Bart van Oort: i wont pressure you though, i just hope we can complete this asap
[5/18/2014 11:00:22 PM] Brandon Casten: My lawyer works fast, so we should have everything drawn up by Wednesday or so.
[5/18/2014 11:05:28 PM] Bart van Oort: i thought the deal was wrapped up
[5/18/2014 11:05:37 PM] Bart van Oort: you gave me an offer and I agreed...
[5/18/2014 11:05:55 PM] Bart van Oort: a simple contract could be done in an hour
[5/18/2014 11:06:02 PM] Bart van Oort: if he works fast that is 30 minutes...
[5/18/2014 11:06:46 PM] Bart van Oort: not trying to pressure you but i told you about the urgency of the situation
[5/18/2014 11:07:06 PM] Bart van Oort: by wednesday plo8monster will be without electrics or internet and ill probably be in thai jail
[5/18/2014 11:10:02 PM] Brandon Casten: I will try and hasten things as much as I can, but I cannot proceed without a formal contract in place. If you can be prepared to get a document with everything that I need for the transfer (passwords, etc.) that would help as well. When I talk to the lawyer, I'll see if he can get something done right away
[5/18/2014 11:10:21 PM] Bart van Oort: ok
[5/18/2014 11:10:30 PM] Bart van Oort: i will have all passwords and logins and everything ready
[5/18/2014 11:10:49 PM] Brandon Casten: Enough of these notes please. I am running a business and cannot make hasty decisions.
[5/18/2014 11:11:06 PM] Bart van Oort: what notes? that i will have everything ready?
[5/18/2014 11:11:21 PM] Brandon Casten: The note to Randy was uneccesary
[5/18/2014 11:11:35 PM] Bart van Oort: he is about to get shut off from internet
[5/18/2014 11:11:46 PM] Bart van Oort: and i thought we had already reached an agreement
[5/18/2014 11:12:04 PM] Bart van Oort: didn't know you were still thinking about the decision to make
[5/18/2014 11:12:11 PM] Bart van Oort: i thought the rest was just formality
[5/18/2014 11:12:14 PM] Brandon Casten: We have a verbal commitment. I told you in the email that I need the contract in place and we still have to get Enterra
[5/18/2014 11:12:54 PM] Bart van Oort: enterra already agreed to sign the license over
[5/18/2014 11:13:36 PM] Brandon Casten: I know, but I don't have a contract from them either. I cannot afford to just take people's word. I need contracts
[5/18/2014 11:14:16 PM] Bart van Oort: i will do my best to stall things till wednesday
[5/18/2014 11:14:34 PM] Bart van Oort: but i can't guarantee this
[5/18/2014 11:14:37 PM] Brandon Casten: I am awaiting Jeremy if you want to put pressure on him to get me the amendment
[5/18/2014 11:15:18 PM] Bart van Oort: get it from dimi
[5/18/2014 11:25:54 PM] Bart van Oort: ok that is tackled
[5/23/2014 2:39:16 AM] Brandon Casten: Hi Bart, Did you get the email from Keith in a readable format?
[5/23/2014 3:45:31 AM] Bart van Oort: Not yet...
[5/23/2014 3:47:27 AM] Bart van Oort: Cant i just send him over the credentials?
[5/23/2014 3:47:45 AM] Brandon Casten: He has a more extensive list. I will copy and paste it to you
[5/23/2014 3:47:51 AM] Bart van Oort: Ok
[5/23/2014 3:58:09 AM] Bart van Oort: My apologies, didnt see i was in wrong chat
[5/23/2014 3:58:28 AM] Brandon Casten: Thats ok
[5/23/2014 3:58:43 AM] Brandon Casten: Let's finish via email. Thank you!
[5/23/2014 3:58:58 AM] Bart van Oort: Ok i will
[5/24/2014 2:24:19 AM] Bart van Oort: I see your CTO has shut down SP?
[5/24/2014 2:24:33 AM] Bart van Oort: is he satisfied by the info?
[5/24/2014 2:28:05 AM] Brandon Casten: He will have a few follow ups tomorrow but mostly has what he needs. Thank you!
[5/24/2014 2:28:19 AM] Bart van Oort: no problem
[5/24/2014 2:28:25 AM] Bart van Oort: im far from a technician
[5/24/2014 2:28:37 AM] Bart van Oort: so i had enterra handle all and had built what they couldnt ;)
[5/24/2014 2:29:13 AM] Brandon Casten: Haha. No worries. We will follow up together so we can send as few emails as possible. Thank you for the help
[5/24/2014 2:34:23 AM] Bart van Oort: one thing though
[5/24/2014 2:34:34 AM] Bart van Oort: im sorry for being kinda anal in the past when i was in thailand
[5/24/2014 2:34:44 AM] Bart van Oort: you have to understand i had over 20 possible buyers
[5/24/2014 2:34:51 AM] Bart van Oort: but most of them were just wasting time
[5/24/2014 2:35:01 AM] Bart van Oort: it almost got me locked up
[5/24/2014 3:15:57 AM] Bart van Oort: you said in the future you wish to keep me on board of the project
[5/24/2014 3:16:13 AM] Bart van Oort: can you give me an indication on how exactly you envision that
[5/24/2014 4:31:27 AM] Brandon Casten: I understand. I'd prefer to have a discussion about your future role with SP, but I certainly would like to keep you on as an operator and promoter, but let's touch base next week to dicsuss
[5/24/2014 4:33:18 AM] Bart van Oort: alright
[5/24/2014 4:34:14 AM] Brandon Casten: I'll be in touch as soon as we can figure out exactly what we need and then you and I can find a time to talk. Until then, have a nice weekend :)
[5/24/2014 4:49:48 AM] Bart van Oort: thanks a lot
[5/24/2014 4:49:50 AM] Bart van Oort: you too :)
[5/24/2014 6:24:33 AM] Bart van Oort: can you tell ur CTO it is pointless to send me pgp emails? i can't read them
[5/26/2014 7:58:53 PM] Bart van Oort: brendan, somebody wants t know about his balance on sp
[5/26/2014 7:59:10 PM] Bart van Oort: do you have any idea how much time is needed to finalize all?
[5/27/2014 4:36:17 AM] Bart van Oort: [Monday, May 26, 2014 11:11 PM] Brian Santos:
<<< You should come up with a joint statement along with the buyer to calm a few people down in the forum...
[5/27/2014 4:37:30 AM] Brandon Casten: Let's discuss this and also your role with SP moving forward. Do you have time in about an hour?
[5/27/2014 4:40:56 AM] Bart van Oort: sure
[5/27/2014 4:41:20 AM] Brandon Casten: I'll call you via Skype within an hour or so
[5/27/2014 4:41:32 AM] Bart van Oort: alright
[5/27/2014 4:43:31 AM] Brandon Casten: Actually will now work?
[5/27/2014 4:43:49 AM] Bart van Oort: sure give me 1 sec
[5/27/2014 4:44:19 AM] Brandon Casten: OK cool
[5/27/2014 4:45:04 AM] *** Call to Brandon Casten, busy. ***
[5/27/2014 4:46:08 AM] Bart van Oort: ready whenever you are
[5/27/2014 4:46:58 AM] Brandon Casten: Hey Sorry. My CTO just called with a somewhat emergency
[5/27/2014 4:47:03 AM] Bart van Oort: ok no problem
[5/27/2014 5:17:50 AM] *** Call from Brandon Casten ***
[5/27/2014 5:27:09 AM] Bart van Oort: https://www.facebook.com/satoshipoker
[5/27/2014 5:43:25 AM] *** Call ended, duration 25:35 ***
[5/29/2014 2:22:55 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart did you receive my follow up email the other day?
[5/29/2014 11:31:14 AM] Bart van Oort: Yes i have received it. Since i continued working after flight i caught myself bearly burning out so took a day off
[5/29/2014 11:31:54 AM] Bart van Oort: 6 AM now, just woke. Gonna get some coffee and have some breakfast and will get all done afterwards :)
[5/29/2014 6:35:20 PM] Brandon Casten: Thank you. :)
[6/5/2014 1:46:10 PM] Bart van Oort: brandon, please send me ragnar's email address
[6/7/2014 3:59:37 PM] Bart van Oort: ragnar is admin
[6/7/2014 4:00:05 PM] Bart van Oort: could you please provide me more information on when you will allow the current players to cash out?
[6/8/2014 10:40:28 PM] Bart van Oort: ?
[6/9/2014 12:34:15 AM] Bart van Oort: people are already starting to ask questions
[6/13/2014 8:22:54 PM] Bart van Oort: Let me know when ur available for voice...
[6/13/2014 8:23:32 PM] Bart van Oort: Perhaps quicker to resolve this way
[6/13/2014 8:23:51 PM] Brandon Casten: Hey I'm running out to a meeting now but will be back in about an hour and a half? Yes, I think it'll be a lot easier via skype
[6/13/2014 8:24:22 PM] Bart van Oort: Ok, just let me know when ur available. My schedule is mostly free
[6/13/2014 8:24:33 PM] Brandon Casten: Sounds good. Thank you.
[6/13/2014 9:50:58 PM] Bart van Oort: Im in
[6/13/2014 9:51:19 PM] Bart van Oort: There isnt any 2-factor
[6/13/2014 9:51:42 PM] Brandon Casten: Why is it asking my CTO and I for two factor? That is so weird
[6/13/2014 9:51:49 PM] Bart van Oort: It told me: there was suspicious activity, change ur password
[6/13/2014 9:51:50 PM] Bart van Oort: Idk
[6/13/2014 9:52:41 PM] Brandon Casten: This is frustrating. can you change it to brandon02 and I'll try again?
[6/13/2014 9:52:56 PM] Bart van Oort: Ok let me try
[6/13/2014 9:53:49 PM] Brandon Casten: Aslo, see if there is an option to give control of the account to someone else. Maybe that's what we need to do...
[6/13/2014 9:54:42 PM] Bart van Oort: U tried to sign in with tor
[6/13/2014 9:55:05 PM] Brandon Casten: I was using safari
[6/13/2014 9:55:17 PM] Brandon Casten: my CTO probably used tor
[6/13/2014 9:55:39 PM] Bart van Oort:
donderdag 12 juni 2014 19:34:51 uur UTC
IP-adres: 74.120.13.132 (bouazizi.torservers.net)
Locatie: Palo Alto, Californië, Verenigde Staten
[6/13/2014 9:56:17 PM] Brandon Casten: So were you able to get in and change the password?
[6/13/2014 9:57:57 PM] Bart van Oort: Changed it to bertus01 when i had to choose new one
[6/13/2014 9:58:23 PM] Bart van Oort: When i want to change it thru the email i get the same questions as earlier
[6/13/2014 9:58:31 PM] Bart van Oort: Phone number etc
[6/13/2014 9:58:37 PM] Brandon Casten: I'm in! Should be ok
[6/13/2014 9:58:47 PM] Bart van Oort: Ok great
[6/13/2014 9:59:40 PM] Brandon Casten: Everything is in dutch. Do you by chance know where the language selection is :)
[6/13/2014 10:01:09 PM] Bart van Oort: Good question
[6/13/2014 10:01:15 PM] Bart van Oort: Isnt it in the url?
[6/13/2014 10:01:25 PM] Bart van Oort: Lang=NL
[6/13/2014 10:01:30 PM] Bart van Oort: Change it to EN
[6/13/2014 10:02:20 PM] Brandon Casten: It's not in the url
[6/13/2014 10:02:44 PM] Bart van Oort: Ok
[6/13/2014 10:03:18 PM] Bart van Oort: I dont know from the top of my head how to change the language
[6/13/2014 10:03:31 PM] Bart van Oort: Settings is called "instellingen"
[6/13/2014 10:03:57 PM] Brandon Casten: What's the dutch word for "language"
[6/13/2014 10:05:14 PM] Bart van Oort: Taal
[6/13/2014 10:05:46 PM] Bart van Oort: And dutch in dutch is "Nederlands"
[6/13/2014 10:06:09 PM] Bart van Oort: There has got to be a youtube vid about this?
[6/13/2014 10:07:26 PM] Brandon Casten: For sure! Thank you for the help :)
[6/13/2014 10:07:41 PM] Bart van Oort: :)
[6/18/2014 5:46:07 PM] Bart van Oort: brandon, when will you start covering players?
[6/18/2014 7:14:37 PM] Brandon Casten: We are crediting accounts when we relaunch the site. Hopefully next week.
[6/18/2014 7:24:50 PM] Brandon Casten: Also, Can you reply to my CTO's email? We would already been launched by now if it were not for dealing with name cheap. They cancelled the server despite us trying to pay the back BTC that was owed. We cannot get some of the key files that we need
[6/18/2014 7:25:11 PM] Brandon Casten: Namecheap has been terrible to try to work with...
[6/18/2014 7:52:11 PM] Bart van Oort: let me check my email
[6/18/2014 7:52:31 PM] Bart van Oort: namecheap doesn't have a grace period for bitcoin based services
[6/18/2014 7:52:57 PM] Brandon Casten: That's fine, they've just been a bunch of bitches as we've tried to reinstate the servers
[6/18/2014 7:54:20 PM] Bart van Oort: true
[6/18/2014 7:55:48 PM] Bart van Oort: keith has to stop sending me these things
[6/18/2014 7:55:55 PM] Bart van Oort: let me show you what I receive per email:
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[6/18/2014 7:56:25 PM] Bart van Oort: I can't read this and I can't help him out if he can't send me a normal email :)
[6/18/2014 8:02:05 PM] Brandon Casten: He uses PGP. I'll have him send me the note he sent you
[6/18/2014 8:14:16 PM] Bart van Oort: thanks
[6/19/2014 1:18:28 AM] Brandon Casten: He resent the message
[6/19/2014 4:32:57 AM] Brandon Casten: Also, which service were you using for mass emails to the SP users? I am trying to send an email to everyone, but mail chimp just cut me off
[6/19/2014 4:33:02 AM] Brandon Casten: They don't like poker sites
[6/25/2014 4:29:18 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart, we are ready to launch the site as soon as you can get my CTO those files. This is really holding us up...
[6/25/2014 4:30:08 AM] Bart van Oort: as i told you i don't have backups of those files. i sent the contact info of the developper to keith
[6/25/2014 4:30:31 AM] Brandon Casten: yes, that guy is not responding. Do you know him well?
[6/25/2014 4:32:20 AM] Bart van Oort: he helped me out a few times when there were issues with the backend
[6/25/2014 4:32:31 AM] Bart van Oort: it are basically 3 php files
[6/25/2014 4:32:49 AM] Bart van Oort: why did your cto get the sql's but not the php files :)
[6/25/2014 4:32:50 AM] Bart van Oort: :(
[6/25/2014 5:04:09 AM] Brandon Casten: So there's nothing you can do to give this guy motivation to get us the files?
[6/25/2014 5:04:40 AM] Bart van Oort: he is not sure he has them
[6/25/2014 5:04:44 AM] Bart van Oort: he said he will look
[6/25/2014 5:04:52 AM] Bart van Oort: just add him to ur skype: eric.lombrozo
[6/25/2014 5:48:34 AM] Brandon Casten: he does have him but your guy isn't responding
[6/25/2014 6:00:39 AM] Bart van Oort: ok
[6/25/2014 6:00:44 AM] Bart van Oort: no luck with namecheap either?
[6/25/2014 6:01:05 AM] Bart van Oort: eric built this all in one day though
[6/25/2014 6:01:29 AM] Bart van Oort: ur cto has the api docs he has the sql, he should be able to have it rebuilt in a day
[6/25/2014 6:03:17 AM] Bart van Oort: eric isnt responding to me right now as well
[6/25/2014 6:03:41 AM] Bart van Oort: i asked a mutual friend who has some business with him to point out the urgency ;)
[6/25/2014 7:17:15 AM] Brandon Casten: Thank you. No. Name cheap already cancelled your account so the files were gone
[7/4/2014 2:03:12 PM] Bart van Oort: hi brandon
[7/4/2014 2:05:38 PM] Bart van Oort: enterra has their bitcoin backends already up and running
[7/4/2014 2:05:51 PM] Bart van Oort: i don't see why you aren't keeping your part of the agreement
[7/4/2014 2:07:51 PM] Bart van Oort: my question to you is: do you wish to honour the agreement or do you wish to undo it
[7/4/2014 2:09:11 PM] Bart van Oort: you are forcing me into a serious corner here by not living up to the agreement
[7/4/2014 2:10:04 PM] Bart van Oort: besides you have been lying to me about your real intentions and you have been lying to others about the reason for delay
[7/4/2014 2:14:34 PM] Bart van Oort: so my question to you is:
[7/4/2014 2:14:43 PM] Bart van Oort: how do you wish to move forward
[7/4/2014 2:15:13 PM] Bart van Oort: i am about to get sued over these balances and apperantly i cant count on your words, not even on a signed contract
[7/4/2014 2:21:01 PM] Bart van Oort: as stated on various sites, burnturn will launch in late 2014
[7/4/2014 2:21:16 PM] Bart van Oort: and i wont let my players wait till then to get paid
[7/4/2014 2:40:06 PM] Bart van Oort: the very least you could do is publish a page on satoshipoker.org explaining to players why they are waiting
[7/5/2014 9:20:33 PM] Brandon Casten: Bart- You are not in a position to learn my corporate plans. I intend to honor the agreement, which did not include a timeframe, so you will know when everyone else does.
[7/6/2014 6:52:13 AM] Bart van Oort: I guess you should reread the agreement in that case
[7/6/2014 6:52:46 AM] Bart van Oort: And i highly suggest you refrain from spreading false information regarding the cause of delay
[7/6/2014 6:54:45 AM] Bart van Oort: I will make a post regarding the sale today and the current situation as i can't deny the players clarity any longer
[7/6/2014 6:55:25 AM] Bart van Oort: I'll have you and ragnar preread it though to allow you a chance for input on it
[7/6/2014 6:57:53 AM] Bart van Oort: And just for the record: i didnt lose the deposit/withdrawal files, you moved servers and 'forgot' them, then had the dedi subscription expire
[7/6/2014 6:59:24 AM] Bart van Oort: You stating things like this really made your true intentions clear and has shown me your integrity regarding this matter
[7/6/2014 7:00:20 AM] Bart van Oort: With me being in a better financial position, i will start making preparations to take further steps in case you continue to dishonor the agreement
[7/9/2014 11:43:24 AM] Bart van Oort: see you in court
[5/9/2014 2:46:15 AM] brandon.casten: Bart,
[5/9/2014 5:26:47 AM] *** Bart van Oort has shared contact details with Brandon Casten. ***
[5/10/2014 1:19:07 AM] Bart van Oort: Hi brandon, just let me know 10 minutes in advance and ill be ready whenever you are
[5/10/2014 10:35:34 PM] Brandon Casten: Hi Bart, Can you chat now?
[5/10/2014 10:36:04 PM] Bart van Oort: yes, but my internet connection at this moment is too weak for voice
[5/10/2014 10:36:11 PM] Bart van Oort: im on public wifi
[5/10/2014 10:36:50 PM] Bart van Oort: I just finalized the backup plan for the route to take with Satoshi Poker if a sale doesn't occur
[5/10/2014 10:36:50 PM] Brandon Casten: That's ok. I'd prefer to be able to talk, so we can shoot for another time. I might have time later today or sometime tomorrow
[5/10/2014 10:37:19 PM] Bart van Oort: gimme 1 minute, let me get some phone credit and 3G package
[5/10/2014 10:37:46 PM] Brandon Casten: Sounds good.
[5/12/2014 1:19:47 AM] Bart van Oort: hi brandon will you be at the bitcoin summit in amsterdam?
[5/12/2014 5:11:20 AM] Brandon Casten: Hi Bart, Unfortunately, I was unable to make the trip. Would have loved it...
[5/12/2014 5:28:56 AM] Bart van Oort: It looks like i have to miss kt as well
[5/12/2014 5:29:30 AM] Bart van Oort: Kinda ironic. Bitcoin meeting in my home town, and owner of only dutch based poker site can't come...
[5/12/2014 5:29:45 AM] Bart van Oort: Will try everything possible though to still get there
[5/12/2014 5:30:05 AM] Bart van Oort: I worked out the ultimate backuo plan for sp
[5/12/2014 5:30:13 AM] Bart van Oort: What is ur poker site btw?
[5/12/2014 5:30:22 AM] Bart van Oort: Ill step by and play some hands ;)
[5/12/2014 6:40:07 PM] Brandon Casten: Ya I hope you can! My site is www.burnturn.eu. Still in development at this point
[5/12/2014 6:47:13 PM] Bart van Oort: Im signed up for the mailing list. Even if burnturn and sp turn out to have a separate future, ill come over and put in some time at the tables with my site pro :)
[5/12/2014 6:47:57 PM] Bart van Oort: Almost got my ticket back to holland covered to attend the bitcoin summit in amsterdam
[5/12/2014 6:49:40 PM] Bart van Oort: Since most of my investors are attending putting up together about 750 coins, i think i can find 50 more to continue it
[5/13/2014 6:46:40 PM] Brandon Casten: Sounds good Bart. So are you no longer interested in selling?
[5/13/2014 6:47:15 PM] Bart van Oort: i still am, but I need to have a backup plan if i can't find a buyer
[5/13/2014 6:48:01 PM] Brandon Casten: well I am very interested. I sent an email with my final questions that I need to review…did you see it?
[5/13/2014 6:48:31 PM] Bart van Oort: oh wow
[5/13/2014 6:48:44 PM] Bart van Oort: it seems like the missus has opened the mail...
[5/13/2014 6:48:54 PM] Bart van Oort: didnt notice i had new
[5/13/2014 6:51:44 PM] Brandon Casten: Haha. Just let me know when you have a chance to review. I'm off to a meeting now, but will be in touch.
[5/13/2014 6:52:26 PM] Bart van Oort: ok great, I will get you the financial data
[5/13/2014 6:52:41 PM] Brandon Casten: Thank you.
[5/15/2014 12:45:14 AM] *** Brandon Casten created a group conversation with plo8 monster.
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[5/15/2014 12:46:02 AM] Bart van Oort: Site pro said: he can call me, [edit: phone number removed] after noon tommorow
[5/15/2014 2:32:23 AM] Brandon Casten: Hi Bart, I have to admit I hate contracts, so I reached out to Enterra. I didn't mention your name, but they indicated that they would be ok transferring your account. I was hoping to talk to Dimitry at Enterra to discuss the details of your contract, but I obviously need your permission to do so. Would you be able to send Dimitry and email and copy me? Just let him know that you give me permission to discuss your account. My attarney is headed to Amsterdam right now, so he could potentially meet you in person with a sale agreement at the conference...
[5/15/2014 2:44:47 AM] Bart van Oort: Well this is the issue at enterra
[5/15/2014 2:45:01 AM] Bart van Oort: They gave 3 dmitry's as they are russian...
[5/15/2014 2:45:24 AM] Bart van Oort: I reached out to dmitry starostenkov who is CEO
[5/15/2014 2:45:51 AM] Bart van Oort: If you have spoken to ushakov i can reach out to him as well
[5/15/2014 2:55:35 AM] Brandon Casten: That's funny. It was Ushakov. I spoke to Jeremy on the phone but he said he needs Ushakov's approval
[5/15/2014 3:06:19 AM] Bart van Oort: Jeremy is like the sales assistant
[5/15/2014 3:06:49 AM] Bart van Oort: And when you do any business with enterra I advice you to avoid him like the plague
[5/15/2014 3:06:57 AM] Brandon Casten: haha. ok sounds good
[5/15/2014 3:07:04 AM] Bart van Oort: He makes promises because he is commission based
[5/15/2014 3:07:33 AM] Bart van Oort: And then ushakov and others say: did he promise that?
[5/15/2014 3:07:42 AM] Bart van Oort: And then jeremy denies
[5/15/2014 3:07:50 AM] Bart van Oort: I met this guy in person
[5/15/2014 3:08:00 AM] Bart van Oort: If ur in tampa go see him in person
[5/15/2014 3:08:08 AM] Bart van Oort: And base ur opinion on it
[5/15/2014 3:08:11 AM] Brandon Casten: Thank you for the heads up. I will work with Dimitry. I will see them in person.
[5/15/2014 3:08:27 AM] Bart van Oort: Not coming to same conclusion will cause you to lose a lot
[5/15/2014 3:08:38 AM] Bart van Oort: Ushakov?
[5/15/2014 3:08:49 AM] Bart van Oort: Does he require my permission?
[5/15/2014 3:10:16 AM] Brandon Casten: I just want to discuss the specifics of your account with Ushakov and he obviously can't do that without your permission. I just want to make sure that I can in fact transfer the agreement and start with a clean slate
[5/15/2014 3:50:28 AM] Bart van Oort: I asked him to grant you this permission 2h ago
[5/15/2014 3:55:59 AM] Bart van Oort: Im on mobile: can you add Dmitry Ushakov to the convo?
[5/15/2014 3:56:47 AM] Bart van Oort: And if u reallt want to play it well, you let enterrabitcoinpoker.com lift on it
[5/15/2014 3:57:36 AM] Bart van Oort: We were about to sky rocket until we faced an unexpected bill...
[5/15/2014 3:58:15 AM] Bart van Oort: Just to put it clear: i had to pay $8200 to these guys
[5/15/2014 3:58:27 AM] Bart van Oort: Didnt have the money and used money of customers
[5/15/2014 3:58:49 AM] Bart van Oort: Thinking the buffer was tight but enough
[5/15/2014 3:58:59 AM] Bart van Oort: Buffer turned out to be too tight
[5/15/2014 3:59:13 AM] Bart van Oort: And so: not enough
[5/15/2014 4:00:00 AM] Bart van Oort: And even though sp was my dream and has a big future ahead, i have to take my responsabilities for my player's sake
[5/15/2014 4:00:47 AM] Bart van Oort: Back against the wall. Selling a movement (not a project) at 20% of the investments in software
[5/15/2014 4:00:59 AM] Bart van Oort: Let alone the marketing...
[5/15/2014 4:30:04 AM] Brandon Casten: Thank you for all of the info. Did Dimitry say that he can chat with me?
[5/15/2014 10:06:21 AM] Bart van Oort: nope
[5/15/2014 10:06:25 AM] Bart van Oort: i havent spoken to ushakov
[5/15/2014 10:06:48 AM] Bart van Oort: just dmitry starostenkov (CEO of enterra) stating transfer of license is not an issue
[5/15/2014 10:08:04 AM] Brandon Casten: I'd be fine talking to him too. As long as I can have a discussion with on of their key executives, I can make a final decision.
[5/15/2014 10:08:45 AM] Bart van Oort: so just to make it clear for me
[5/15/2014 10:09:34 AM] Bart van Oort: if one of their key officials (dmitry or dmitry as jeremy's word is worth nothing) confirms that the license is transferable for this move, you are ready to move forward?
[5/15/2014 10:10:36 AM] Brandon Casten: As long as it is transferable and as long as I can have a clean slate with no debt inheritance, it is almost certain and I will have my lawyer draw up a contract and present it to you in Amsterdam
[5/15/2014 10:10:57 AM] Brandon Casten: I will be taking on the 14 BTC of debt though of course
[5/15/2014 10:11:17 AM] Bart van Oort: buying price is 25, of which i will take on the 14 btc...
[5/15/2014 10:13:25 AM] Brandon Casten: I'd like to talk to the enter team first and then we can discuss in greater detail, but I will move very quickly if everything checks out
[5/15/2014 10:13:46 AM] Brandon Casten: My computer auto-corrected, but I meant Enterra team
[5/15/2014 10:13:47 AM] Bart van Oort: me and plo8monster are the entire team
[5/15/2014 10:13:52 AM] Bart van Oort: ah ok
[5/15/2014 10:13:54 AM] Bart van Oort: :)
[5/15/2014 10:13:58 AM] Brandon Casten: Haha
[5/15/2014 10:14:09 AM] Brandon Casten: I'd like to talk with them tomorrow if possible
[5/15/2014 10:14:15 AM] Brandon Casten: But I move quickly
[5/15/2014 10:14:25 AM] Bart van Oort: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=570030.msg6681583#msg6681583
[5/15/2014 10:14:40 AM] Bart van Oort: players of our site are considering a group buy :P
[5/15/2014 10:16:10 AM] Brandon Casten: That's cool. I just want to do some due diligence here. I don't make business decisions without getting to know my potential partners. If I can't talk to Enterra before making a deal, I am simply uninterested
[5/15/2014 10:17:20 AM] Bart van Oort: i completely understand
[5/15/2014 10:17:46 AM] Bart van Oort: i just want you to know that only dmitry ushakov and dmitry starostenkov are able to make a final decision
[5/15/2014 10:17:59 AM] Bart van Oort: i wouldnt want you to make a decision based on jeremy's promises
[5/15/2014 10:18:06 AM] Bart van Oort: did that before and caused me harm
[5/15/2014 10:18:22 AM] Bart van Oort: yes i want to sell, but only if you understand fully what you are buying ;)
[5/15/2014 10:18:40 AM] Brandon Casten: I understand that Jeremy is not a decision maker. That's why I want to talk to a Dimitry
[5/15/2014 10:18:58 AM] Bart van Oort: but you are from tampa. you probably already did a check on jeremy, so you already know whats up ;)
[5/15/2014 10:19:07 AM] Bart van Oort: let me make things easier
[5/15/2014 10:19:32 AM] *** Bart van Oort created a group conversation with Dmitry Ushakov, Dmitry Starostenkov.
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[5/15/2014 10:20:22 AM] Bart van Oort: that is easier ;)
[5/15/2014 10:20:45 AM] Brandon Casten: Agreed. Thank you. I will seek a meeting tomorrow with them.
[5/15/2014 10:21:41 AM] Bart van Oort: thanks :)
[5/15/2014 10:21:53 AM] Bart van Oort: and I'm sorry for doing so much in skype
[5/15/2014 10:21:58 AM] Bart van Oort: it is just quicker...
[5/15/2014 10:24:55 AM] Brandon Casten: That's ok. Appreciate your accessability
[5/15/2014 10:25:31 AM] Brandon Casten: I've got an early start tomorrow so heading to bed, but I'll be in touch. Have a great night
[5/15/2014 10:43:23 AM] Bart van Oort: ok thanks
[5/15/2014 10:43:28 AM] Bart van Oort: have a great rest as well
[5/16/2014 1:59:31 AM] Bart van Oort: jeremy just asked permission to speak with you :)
[5/16/2014 2:00:56 AM] Brandon Casten: Yes, we are meeting tomorrow!
[5/16/2014 2:01:04 AM] Brandon Casten: Are you still going to Amsterdam?
[5/16/2014 2:02:03 AM] Bart van Oort: only if sale is done in time
[5/16/2014 2:02:06 AM] Bart van Oort: i am broke ;)
[5/16/2014 2:02:36 AM] Bart van Oort: if i had gone there i could easily raise another 50 coins for sp
[5/16/2014 2:03:00 AM] Brandon Casten: I hear you. Too bad...
[5/16/2014 2:04:31 AM] Bart van Oort: ultimate waste
[5/16/2014 3:04:58 AM] Bart van Oort: let me know how the conversation with Jeremy went :)
[5/16/2014 3:30:15 AM] Brandon Casten: Will do. I'm meeting with him tomorrow morning
[5/16/2014 3:30:30 AM] Bart van Oort: ok great :)
[5/17/2014 2:03:50 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart, one more question. Plo8Monster indicated that he is owed 8 BTC. Is this on top of the 14 that you owe to the other players? I met with Enterra today and am confutable on that end. I need to know exactly what is owed to the players of your site.
[5/17/2014 10:10:12 AM] Bart van Oort: 14 is owed to the players and 8 btc was originally a stake to plo8monster which he more than earned
[5/17/2014 10:10:28 AM] Bart van Oort: so yes, i owe him this 8
[5/17/2014 10:10:57 AM] Bart van Oort: hence the reason I said I'm selling for 25 to pay players and have a ticket home
[5/17/2014 2:05:09 PM] Brandon Casten: I'm disappointed that you weren't honest with me on that
[5/18/2014 12:12:22 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart- I just sent you an email with my offer
[5/18/2014 1:08:46 AM] Bart van Oort: hey just got home
[5/18/2014 2:18:15 AM] Bart van Oort: Sent a reply to the email. As it is basically what we have discussed since start I agree
[5/18/2014 2:38:55 AM] Bart van Oort: I apologize about the confusion regarding plo8monsters account
[5/18/2014 2:39:04 AM] Bart van Oort: I was assuming you were aware about it
[5/18/2014 2:39:20 AM] Bart van Oort: As i tols u im selling for player balances amd a ticket home
[5/18/2014 2:39:49 AM] Bart van Oort: As you can see 3 btc is more realistic for a ticket than 3+8btc...
[5/18/2014 7:20:59 PM] Bart van Oort: hi brandon, have you seen my last email regarding plo8monster?
[5/18/2014 10:56:14 PM] Bart van Oort: ?
[5/18/2014 10:57:24 PM] Brandon Casten: Hey just got home and saw it. I cannot distribute funds until we wrap the deal up. I have investors and have to act on their behalf as well. Hopefully we can get this done quickly and it won't matter. I have a call with my lawyer in a hour
[5/18/2014 10:58:23 PM] Bart van Oort: ok thank you
[5/18/2014 10:59:15 PM] Brandon Casten: But I certainly want to make sure he's taken care of and hope we can all start making money together sometime soon!
[5/18/2014 10:59:32 PM] Bart van Oort: i hope so
[5/18/2014 10:59:53 PM] Bart van Oort: however time is running out on both me and plo8monster
[5/18/2014 11:00:05 PM] Bart van Oort: i wont pressure you though, i just hope we can complete this asap
[5/18/2014 11:00:22 PM] Brandon Casten: My lawyer works fast, so we should have everything drawn up by Wednesday or so.
[5/18/2014 11:05:28 PM] Bart van Oort: i thought the deal was wrapped up
[5/18/2014 11:05:37 PM] Bart van Oort: you gave me an offer and I agreed...
[5/18/2014 11:05:55 PM] Bart van Oort: a simple contract could be done in an hour
[5/18/2014 11:06:02 PM] Bart van Oort: if he works fast that is 30 minutes...
[5/18/2014 11:06:46 PM] Bart van Oort: not trying to pressure you but i told you about the urgency of the situation
[5/18/2014 11:07:06 PM] Bart van Oort: by wednesday plo8monster will be without electrics or internet and ill probably be in thai jail
[5/18/2014 11:10:02 PM] Brandon Casten: I will try and hasten things as much as I can, but I cannot proceed without a formal contract in place. If you can be prepared to get a document with everything that I need for the transfer (passwords, etc.) that would help as well. When I talk to the lawyer, I'll see if he can get something done right away
[5/18/2014 11:10:21 PM] Bart van Oort: ok
[5/18/2014 11:10:30 PM] Bart van Oort: i will have all passwords and logins and everything ready
[5/18/2014 11:10:49 PM] Brandon Casten: Enough of these notes please. I am running a business and cannot make hasty decisions.
[5/18/2014 11:11:06 PM] Bart van Oort: what notes? that i will have everything ready?
[5/18/2014 11:11:21 PM] Brandon Casten: The note to Randy was uneccesary
[5/18/2014 11:11:35 PM] Bart van Oort: he is about to get shut off from internet
[5/18/2014 11:11:46 PM] Bart van Oort: and i thought we had already reached an agreement
[5/18/2014 11:12:04 PM] Bart van Oort: didn't know you were still thinking about the decision to make
[5/18/2014 11:12:11 PM] Bart van Oort: i thought the rest was just formality
[5/18/2014 11:12:14 PM] Brandon Casten: We have a verbal commitment. I told you in the email that I need the contract in place and we still have to get Enterra
[5/18/2014 11:12:54 PM] Bart van Oort: enterra already agreed to sign the license over
[5/18/2014 11:13:36 PM] Brandon Casten: I know, but I don't have a contract from them either. I cannot afford to just take people's word. I need contracts
[5/18/2014 11:14:16 PM] Bart van Oort: i will do my best to stall things till wednesday
[5/18/2014 11:14:34 PM] Bart van Oort: but i can't guarantee this
[5/18/2014 11:14:37 PM] Brandon Casten: I am awaiting Jeremy if you want to put pressure on him to get me the amendment
[5/18/2014 11:15:18 PM] Bart van Oort: get it from dimi
[5/18/2014 11:25:54 PM] Bart van Oort: ok that is tackled
[5/23/2014 2:39:16 AM] Brandon Casten: Hi Bart, Did you get the email from Keith in a readable format?
[5/23/2014 3:45:31 AM] Bart van Oort: Not yet...
[5/23/2014 3:47:27 AM] Bart van Oort: Cant i just send him over the credentials?
[5/23/2014 3:47:45 AM] Brandon Casten: He has a more extensive list. I will copy and paste it to you
[5/23/2014 3:47:51 AM] Bart van Oort: Ok
[5/23/2014 3:58:09 AM] Bart van Oort: My apologies, didnt see i was in wrong chat
[5/23/2014 3:58:28 AM] Brandon Casten: Thats ok
[5/23/2014 3:58:43 AM] Brandon Casten: Let's finish via email. Thank you!
[5/23/2014 3:58:58 AM] Bart van Oort: Ok i will
[5/24/2014 2:24:19 AM] Bart van Oort: I see your CTO has shut down SP?
[5/24/2014 2:24:33 AM] Bart van Oort: is he satisfied by the info?
[5/24/2014 2:28:05 AM] Brandon Casten: He will have a few follow ups tomorrow but mostly has what he needs. Thank you!
[5/24/2014 2:28:19 AM] Bart van Oort: no problem
[5/24/2014 2:28:25 AM] Bart van Oort: im far from a technician
[5/24/2014 2:28:37 AM] Bart van Oort: so i had enterra handle all and had built what they couldnt ;)
[5/24/2014 2:29:13 AM] Brandon Casten: Haha. No worries. We will follow up together so we can send as few emails as possible. Thank you for the help
[5/24/2014 2:34:23 AM] Bart van Oort: one thing though
[5/24/2014 2:34:34 AM] Bart van Oort: im sorry for being kinda anal in the past when i was in thailand
[5/24/2014 2:34:44 AM] Bart van Oort: you have to understand i had over 20 possible buyers
[5/24/2014 2:34:51 AM] Bart van Oort: but most of them were just wasting time
[5/24/2014 2:35:01 AM] Bart van Oort: it almost got me locked up
[5/24/2014 3:15:57 AM] Bart van Oort: you said in the future you wish to keep me on board of the project
[5/24/2014 3:16:13 AM] Bart van Oort: can you give me an indication on how exactly you envision that
[5/24/2014 4:31:27 AM] Brandon Casten: I understand. I'd prefer to have a discussion about your future role with SP, but I certainly would like to keep you on as an operator and promoter, but let's touch base next week to dicsuss
[5/24/2014 4:33:18 AM] Bart van Oort: alright
[5/24/2014 4:34:14 AM] Brandon Casten: I'll be in touch as soon as we can figure out exactly what we need and then you and I can find a time to talk. Until then, have a nice weekend :)
[5/24/2014 4:49:48 AM] Bart van Oort: thanks a lot
[5/24/2014 4:49:50 AM] Bart van Oort: you too :)
[5/24/2014 6:24:33 AM] Bart van Oort: can you tell ur CTO it is pointless to send me pgp emails? i can't read them
[5/26/2014 7:58:53 PM] Bart van Oort: brendan, somebody wants t know about his balance on sp
[5/26/2014 7:59:10 PM] Bart van Oort: do you have any idea how much time is needed to finalize all?
[5/27/2014 4:36:17 AM] Bart van Oort: [Monday, May 26, 2014 11:11 PM] Brian Santos:
<<< You should come up with a joint statement along with the buyer to calm a few people down in the forum...
[5/27/2014 4:37:30 AM] Brandon Casten: Let's discuss this and also your role with SP moving forward. Do you have time in about an hour?
[5/27/2014 4:40:56 AM] Bart van Oort: sure
[5/27/2014 4:41:20 AM] Brandon Casten: I'll call you via Skype within an hour or so
[5/27/2014 4:41:32 AM] Bart van Oort: alright
[5/27/2014 4:43:31 AM] Brandon Casten: Actually will now work?
[5/27/2014 4:43:49 AM] Bart van Oort: sure give me 1 sec
[5/27/2014 4:44:19 AM] Brandon Casten: OK cool
[5/27/2014 4:45:04 AM] *** Call to Brandon Casten, busy. ***
[5/27/2014 4:46:08 AM] Bart van Oort: ready whenever you are
[5/27/2014 4:46:58 AM] Brandon Casten: Hey Sorry. My CTO just called with a somewhat emergency
[5/27/2014 4:47:03 AM] Bart van Oort: ok no problem
[5/27/2014 5:17:50 AM] *** Call from Brandon Casten ***
[5/27/2014 5:27:09 AM] Bart van Oort: https://www.facebook.com/satoshipoker
[5/27/2014 5:43:25 AM] *** Call ended, duration 25:35 ***
[5/29/2014 2:22:55 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart did you receive my follow up email the other day?
[5/29/2014 11:31:14 AM] Bart van Oort: Yes i have received it. Since i continued working after flight i caught myself bearly burning out so took a day off
[5/29/2014 11:31:54 AM] Bart van Oort: 6 AM now, just woke. Gonna get some coffee and have some breakfast and will get all done afterwards :)
[5/29/2014 6:35:20 PM] Brandon Casten: Thank you. :)
[6/5/2014 1:46:10 PM] Bart van Oort: brandon, please send me ragnar's email address
[6/7/2014 3:59:37 PM] Bart van Oort: ragnar is admin
[6/7/2014 4:00:05 PM] Bart van Oort: could you please provide me more information on when you will allow the current players to cash out?
[6/8/2014 10:40:28 PM] Bart van Oort: ?
[6/9/2014 12:34:15 AM] Bart van Oort: people are already starting to ask questions
[6/13/2014 8:22:54 PM] Bart van Oort: Let me know when ur available for voice...
[6/13/2014 8:23:32 PM] Bart van Oort: Perhaps quicker to resolve this way
[6/13/2014 8:23:51 PM] Brandon Casten: Hey I'm running out to a meeting now but will be back in about an hour and a half? Yes, I think it'll be a lot easier via skype
[6/13/2014 8:24:22 PM] Bart van Oort: Ok, just let me know when ur available. My schedule is mostly free
[6/13/2014 8:24:33 PM] Brandon Casten: Sounds good. Thank you.
[6/13/2014 9:50:58 PM] Bart van Oort: Im in
[6/13/2014 9:51:19 PM] Bart van Oort: There isnt any 2-factor
[6/13/2014 9:51:42 PM] Brandon Casten: Why is it asking my CTO and I for two factor? That is so weird
[6/13/2014 9:51:49 PM] Bart van Oort: It told me: there was suspicious activity, change ur password
[6/13/2014 9:51:50 PM] Bart van Oort: Idk
[6/13/2014 9:52:41 PM] Brandon Casten: This is frustrating. can you change it to brandon02 and I'll try again?
[6/13/2014 9:52:56 PM] Bart van Oort: Ok let me try
[6/13/2014 9:53:49 PM] Brandon Casten: Aslo, see if there is an option to give control of the account to someone else. Maybe that's what we need to do...
[6/13/2014 9:54:42 PM] Bart van Oort: U tried to sign in with tor
[6/13/2014 9:55:05 PM] Brandon Casten: I was using safari
[6/13/2014 9:55:17 PM] Brandon Casten: my CTO probably used tor
[6/13/2014 9:55:39 PM] Bart van Oort:
donderdag 12 juni 2014 19:34:51 uur UTC
IP-adres: 74.120.13.132 (bouazizi.torservers.net)
Locatie: Palo Alto, Californië, Verenigde Staten
[6/13/2014 9:56:17 PM] Brandon Casten: So were you able to get in and change the password?
[6/13/2014 9:57:57 PM] Bart van Oort: Changed it to bertus01 when i had to choose new one
[6/13/2014 9:58:23 PM] Bart van Oort: When i want to change it thru the email i get the same questions as earlier
[6/13/2014 9:58:31 PM] Bart van Oort: Phone number etc
[6/13/2014 9:58:37 PM] Brandon Casten: I'm in! Should be ok
[6/13/2014 9:58:47 PM] Bart van Oort: Ok great
[6/13/2014 9:59:40 PM] Brandon Casten: Everything is in dutch. Do you by chance know where the language selection is :)
[6/13/2014 10:01:09 PM] Bart van Oort: Good question
[6/13/2014 10:01:15 PM] Bart van Oort: Isnt it in the url?
[6/13/2014 10:01:25 PM] Bart van Oort: Lang=NL
[6/13/2014 10:01:30 PM] Bart van Oort: Change it to EN
[6/13/2014 10:02:20 PM] Brandon Casten: It's not in the url
[6/13/2014 10:02:44 PM] Bart van Oort: Ok
[6/13/2014 10:03:18 PM] Bart van Oort: I dont know from the top of my head how to change the language
[6/13/2014 10:03:31 PM] Bart van Oort: Settings is called "instellingen"
[6/13/2014 10:03:57 PM] Brandon Casten: What's the dutch word for "language"
[6/13/2014 10:05:14 PM] Bart van Oort: Taal
[6/13/2014 10:05:46 PM] Bart van Oort: And dutch in dutch is "Nederlands"
[6/13/2014 10:06:09 PM] Bart van Oort: There has got to be a youtube vid about this?
[6/13/2014 10:07:26 PM] Brandon Casten: For sure! Thank you for the help :)
[6/13/2014 10:07:41 PM] Bart van Oort: :)
[6/18/2014 5:46:07 PM] Bart van Oort: brandon, when will you start covering players?
[6/18/2014 7:14:37 PM] Brandon Casten: We are crediting accounts when we relaunch the site. Hopefully next week.
[6/18/2014 7:24:50 PM] Brandon Casten: Also, Can you reply to my CTO's email? We would already been launched by now if it were not for dealing with name cheap. They cancelled the server despite us trying to pay the back BTC that was owed. We cannot get some of the key files that we need
[6/18/2014 7:25:11 PM] Brandon Casten: Namecheap has been terrible to try to work with...
[6/18/2014 7:52:11 PM] Bart van Oort: let me check my email
[6/18/2014 7:52:31 PM] Bart van Oort: namecheap doesn't have a grace period for bitcoin based services
[6/18/2014 7:52:57 PM] Brandon Casten: That's fine, they've just been a bunch of bitches as we've tried to reinstate the servers
[6/18/2014 7:54:20 PM] Bart van Oort: true
[6/18/2014 7:55:48 PM] Bart van Oort: keith has to stop sending me these things
[6/18/2014 7:55:55 PM] Bart van Oort: let me show you what I receive per email:
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[6/18/2014 7:56:25 PM] Bart van Oort: I can't read this and I can't help him out if he can't send me a normal email :)
[6/18/2014 8:02:05 PM] Brandon Casten: He uses PGP. I'll have him send me the note he sent you
[6/18/2014 8:14:16 PM] Bart van Oort: thanks
[6/19/2014 1:18:28 AM] Brandon Casten: He resent the message
[6/19/2014 4:32:57 AM] Brandon Casten: Also, which service were you using for mass emails to the SP users? I am trying to send an email to everyone, but mail chimp just cut me off
[6/19/2014 4:33:02 AM] Brandon Casten: They don't like poker sites
[6/25/2014 4:29:18 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart, we are ready to launch the site as soon as you can get my CTO those files. This is really holding us up...
[6/25/2014 4:30:08 AM] Bart van Oort: as i told you i don't have backups of those files. i sent the contact info of the developper to keith
[6/25/2014 4:30:31 AM] Brandon Casten: yes, that guy is not responding. Do you know him well?
[6/25/2014 4:32:20 AM] Bart van Oort: he helped me out a few times when there were issues with the backend
[6/25/2014 4:32:31 AM] Bart van Oort: it are basically 3 php files
[6/25/2014 4:32:49 AM] Bart van Oort: why did your cto get the sql's but not the php files :)
[6/25/2014 4:32:50 AM] Bart van Oort: :(
[6/25/2014 5:04:09 AM] Brandon Casten: So there's nothing you can do to give this guy motivation to get us the files?
[6/25/2014 5:04:40 AM] Bart van Oort: he is not sure he has them
[6/25/2014 5:04:44 AM] Bart van Oort: he said he will look
[6/25/2014 5:04:52 AM] Bart van Oort: just add him to ur skype: eric.lombrozo
[6/25/2014 5:48:34 AM] Brandon Casten: he does have him but your guy isn't responding
[6/25/2014 6:00:39 AM] Bart van Oort: ok
[6/25/2014 6:00:44 AM] Bart van Oort: no luck with namecheap either?
[6/25/2014 6:01:05 AM] Bart van Oort: eric built this all in one day though
[6/25/2014 6:01:29 AM] Bart van Oort: ur cto has the api docs he has the sql, he should be able to have it rebuilt in a day
[6/25/2014 6:03:17 AM] Bart van Oort: eric isnt responding to me right now as well
[6/25/2014 6:03:41 AM] Bart van Oort: i asked a mutual friend who has some business with him to point out the urgency ;)
[6/25/2014 7:17:15 AM] Brandon Casten: Thank you. No. Name cheap already cancelled your account so the files were gone
[7/4/2014 2:03:12 PM] Bart van Oort: hi brandon
[7/4/2014 2:05:38 PM] Bart van Oort: enterra has their bitcoin backends already up and running
[7/4/2014 2:05:51 PM] Bart van Oort: i don't see why you aren't keeping your part of the agreement
[7/4/2014 2:07:51 PM] Bart van Oort: my question to you is: do you wish to honour the agreement or do you wish to undo it
[7/4/2014 2:09:11 PM] Bart van Oort: you are forcing me into a serious corner here by not living up to the agreement
[7/4/2014 2:10:04 PM] Bart van Oort: besides you have been lying to me about your real intentions and you have been lying to others about the reason for delay
[7/4/2014 2:14:34 PM] Bart van Oort: so my question to you is:
[7/4/2014 2:14:43 PM] Bart van Oort: how do you wish to move forward
[7/4/2014 2:15:13 PM] Bart van Oort: i am about to get sued over these balances and apperantly i cant count on your words, not even on a signed contract
[7/4/2014 2:21:01 PM] Bart van Oort: as stated on various sites, burnturn will launch in late 2014
[7/4/2014 2:21:16 PM] Bart van Oort: and i wont let my players wait till then to get paid
[7/4/2014 2:40:06 PM] Bart van Oort: the very least you could do is publish a page on satoshipoker.org explaining to players why they are waiting
[7/5/2014 9:20:33 PM] Brandon Casten: Bart- You are not in a position to learn my corporate plans. I intend to honor the agreement, which did not include a timeframe, so you will know when everyone else does.
[7/6/2014 6:52:13 AM] Bart van Oort: I guess you should reread the agreement in that case
[7/6/2014 6:52:46 AM] Bart van Oort: And i highly suggest you refrain from spreading false information regarding the cause of delay
[7/6/2014 6:54:45 AM] Bart van Oort: I will make a post regarding the sale today and the current situation as i can't deny the players clarity any longer
[7/6/2014 6:55:25 AM] Bart van Oort: I'll have you and ragnar preread it though to allow you a chance for input on it
[7/6/2014 6:57:53 AM] Bart van Oort: And just for the record: i didnt lose the deposit/withdrawal files, you moved servers and 'forgot' them, then had the dedi subscription expire
[7/6/2014 6:59:24 AM] Bart van Oort: You stating things like this really made your true intentions clear and has shown me your integrity regarding this matter
[7/6/2014 7:00:20 AM] Bart van Oort: With me being in a better financial position, i will start making preparations to take further steps in case you continue to dishonor the agreement
[7/9/2014 11:43:24 AM] Bart van Oort: see you in court
I apologize if this didn't go as smoothly, but please keep in mind that if I hadn't took on the Satoshi Poker liabilities, that ZERO of the stolen BTC would have been returned. I think it's important to keep in perspective that we have never stolen a single BTC. We truly regret anyone who has had a negative experience, and we can assure you that this has been very tough on our team as well.
If someone has lost a username and password, then how would they have logged into Satoshi Poker to make a withdrawal anyway? If you don't know how to access your account, it doesn't matter if it's on Satoshi Poker or BurnTurn Poker.
If you have any info that you can share about your account (i.e. the email address you used), we have been spending a lot of time and effort with our tech team to verify stolen funds. Please reach out via email if you'd like some help!
If someone has lost a username and password, then how would they have logged into Satoshi Poker to make a withdrawal anyway? If you don't know how to access your account, it doesn't matter if it's on Satoshi Poker or BurnTurn Poker.
If you have any info that you can share about your account (i.e. the email address you used), we have been spending a lot of time and effort with our tech team to verify stolen funds. Please reach out via email if you'd like some help!
Wow you are full of it !!
Bart sold you SP at a tremendous loss, to BE SURE PLAYERS FUNDS were covered, a total of 22 bitcoin on players funds plus 3 bitcoin to him to exit Thialand. He did NOT steal, he went to great lengths to be sure plaYERS ARE PAID !!!
He did that to be sure players were paid and no bitcoin poker player lost his funds on the site !! You could have refunded thru enterra within a first week or two of this deal that started way back in MAY!!
You keep speaking of stolen bitcoin ...you are stealing 2.8 bitcoin from me... Your double talk is not gonna fool the bitcoin community of poker players.
You can try and fool these guys, but the 2 Squeeky wheel (as you called us LOUD PEOPLE) here are the only two people who really know what you are doing, Shame shame !!
There is no way you can really Say that players would have lost their accounts anyway if they lost their passwords. If YOU MADE THE TRANSITION SMOOTHLY AS IT COULD HAVE BEEN !! YOU DRAG IT OUR FOR MONTHS AND NOW YA HAVE TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH TO PAY PLAYERS.. BLESS YOUR PEA PICKING LITTLE HEART.. If ya cant do this easier than you have made it lots of luck actually running a site...
How bout you post the total of the 22 bitcoin liability you bought when ya purchased Satoshi Poker at a fire sale price !!! let us all see how much of the players funds you have actually paid??
How bout some transparency.. you talk like your wanting to be doing right by the players. You dont care about them, just about how cheaply ya can get thru this !!
Ya have had time and all information needed to pay me properly, until you do so dont expect me to let up one little bit !!! Matter fact pay me, but dont expect me to endorse you, You have proven yourselves to me!! I know what you are doing !!!
~~plo8
edited to state: that 8 of the 22 bitcoin debt was mine, and you damn well knew that from day 1 and agreed to payment in full
This is why you get everything in writing. But, it wouldn't be hard to prove a deposit if the sender had control of the private key of the address. that way one could prove he was the sender of said bitcoin, no need to prove password, etc.
I apologize if this didn't go as smoothly, but please keep in mind that if I hadn't took on the Satoshi Poker liabilities, that ZERO of the stolen BTC would have been returned. I think it's important to keep in perspective that we have never stolen a single BTC. We truly regret anyone who has had a negative experience, and we can assure you that this has been very tough on our team as well.
If someone has lost a username and password, then how would they have logged into Satoshi Poker to make a withdrawal anyway? If you don't know how to access your account, it doesn't matter if it's on Satoshi Poker or BurnTurn Poker.
If you have any info that you can share about your account (i.e. the email address you used), we have been spending a lot of time and effort with our tech team to verify stolen funds. Please reach out via email if you'd like some help!
If someone has lost a username and password, then how would they have logged into Satoshi Poker to make a withdrawal anyway? If you don't know how to access your account, it doesn't matter if it's on Satoshi Poker or BurnTurn Poker.
If you have any info that you can share about your account (i.e. the email address you used), we have been spending a lot of time and effort with our tech team to verify stolen funds. Please reach out via email if you'd like some help!
This entire situation has been total chaos. I had money there a long time ago but I have no idea what my password was or how much I had there. I think it is a breach of contract that they are moving everyone to burnturn instead of just going with the old SP system which is what the new guy said he would do. It makes it impossible for all but like 10 players to get their BTC back, the few people who follow this whole saga and stick with it through all the threads and everything, send an e-mail, etc.
Hello everyone,
I was one of the players who had some bitcoin stuck on satoshiipoker and i was also a victim in the accusations between the old and the new owner about who had to pay the lost bitcoins. I emailed the new owner about my situation and they replied to me very quickly and they told me that everything was discussed and eventually they covered my lost bitcoin wich i am very relieved of.
I want to let everyone know that the new owner kept his word of paying back the lost money of the players playing on the old satoshiipoker (at least for me) and i have added a screenshot of the exchanged emails between me and their support as a proof.
http://postimg.org/image/new7elem9/
I got my money back as promised so i decided to share this with the rest of you.
Bye
I was one of the players who had some bitcoin stuck on satoshiipoker and i was also a victim in the accusations between the old and the new owner about who had to pay the lost bitcoins. I emailed the new owner about my situation and they replied to me very quickly and they told me that everything was discussed and eventually they covered my lost bitcoin wich i am very relieved of.
I want to let everyone know that the new owner kept his word of paying back the lost money of the players playing on the old satoshiipoker (at least for me) and i have added a screenshot of the exchanged emails between me and their support as a proof.
http://postimg.org/image/new7elem9/
I got my money back as promised so i decided to share this with the rest of you.
Bye
He has all the info he needs to pay me.
It has become personal now you jack ass ! A couple loud people, huh ? You mean the only 2 people who know what you are doing!
You can question Barts integrity, he can take it ! You have no right to question mine, what an insult !!!
I take great insult to you saying paying me would open the door to scammers. Piss off dude. You are a waste of my time,
and have been from day one, starting way back in May.
You received my help, as a professional courtesy, free of any charge.
I helped you and you screwed me.
You can try all the double talk you want.
I laid out the sequence of events and the facts you need to make a decision on paying me.
The community knows me, Im no scammer !
Your a Jack ass and have conducted business like a jack ass from day one.
Lots of luck, getting the Bitcoin community to support you dude.
You should probably try opening a USD$ site. I think your a Bitcoin parasite anyways.
What is it you are bringing to the Bitcoin community but an appetite for players juice?
If you take offense to me calling you a jack ass, then now we are both offended.
Consider it term of affection compared to my true feelings toward you as a gentleman or a poker site owner/operator/parasite/epic fail
~~plo8
It has become personal now you jack ass ! A couple loud people, huh ? You mean the only 2 people who know what you are doing!
You can question Barts integrity, he can take it ! You have no right to question mine, what an insult !!!
I take great insult to you saying paying me would open the door to scammers. Piss off dude. You are a waste of my time,
and have been from day one, starting way back in May.
You received my help, as a professional courtesy, free of any charge.
I helped you and you screwed me.
You can try all the double talk you want.
I laid out the sequence of events and the facts you need to make a decision on paying me.
The community knows me, Im no scammer !
Your a Jack ass and have conducted business like a jack ass from day one.
Lots of luck, getting the Bitcoin community to support you dude.
You should probably try opening a USD$ site. I think your a Bitcoin parasite anyways.
What is it you are bringing to the Bitcoin community but an appetite for players juice?
If you take offense to me calling you a jack ass, then now we are both offended.
Consider it term of affection compared to my true feelings toward you as a gentleman or a poker site owner/operator/parasite/epic fail
~~plo8
Out of the requests for returned funds, there is only one person who has had any complaints with our decisions, and we've paid some people more than we had to. We can only work with the data that we were provided and understand if we cannot please everyone. We are making all of our decisions based on the data we have and common sense. I am unwilling to share any private details, but I would note other posts of people who verified quick payment.
I apologize if not all are happy, but we cannot universally pay out funds that cannot be verified. Otherwise, we open the door to any scammer who stumbles upon our site.
Again, I am unwilling to discuss anyone's individual situation in a public forum, but am happy to refund people's stolen money, as we are doing EVERY DAY. Again, please feel free to email at [email protected]
I have never stolen anyone's money and am only trying to take care of these accounts as best as possible. All accounts that are not refunded before the BurnTurn.eu launch will be credited when BurnTurn launches. Unlike Satoshi Poker, all player funds will be held in segregated, cold storage accounts.
I hope we can eventually earn everyone's trust, but I understand the skepticism with all of the unfortunate negativity from a couple loud people.
Ragnar
I apologize if not all are happy, but we cannot universally pay out funds that cannot be verified. Otherwise, we open the door to any scammer who stumbles upon our site.
Again, I am unwilling to discuss anyone's individual situation in a public forum, but am happy to refund people's stolen money, as we are doing EVERY DAY. Again, please feel free to email at [email protected]
I have never stolen anyone's money and am only trying to take care of these accounts as best as possible. All accounts that are not refunded before the BurnTurn.eu launch will be credited when BurnTurn launches. Unlike Satoshi Poker, all player funds will be held in segregated, cold storage accounts.
I hope we can eventually earn everyone's trust, but I understand the skepticism with all of the unfortunate negativity from a couple loud people.
Ragnar
you already confirmed that you found plo´s pending withdraw so what you do is try steal his money!
the way you argue shows that you are far away from being trustworthy and professional...
btw you can´t transfer satoshi accounts to your new site without asking the account owners.
Out of the requests for returned funds, there is only one person who has had any complaints with our decisions, and we've paid some people more than we had to. We can only work with the data that we were provided and understand if we cannot please everyone. We are making all of our decisions based on the data we have and common sense. I am unwilling to share any private details, but I would note other posts of people who verified quick payment.
I apologize if not all are happy, but we cannot universally pay out funds that cannot be verified. Otherwise, we open the door to any scammer who stumbles upon our site.
Again, I am unwilling to discuss anyone's individual situation in a public forum, but am happy to refund people's stolen money, as we are doing EVERY DAY. Again, please feel free to email at [email protected]
I have never stolen anyone's money and am only trying to take care of these accounts as best as possible. All accounts that are not refunded before the BurnTurn.eu launch will be credited when BurnTurn launches. Unlike Satoshi Poker, all player funds will be held in segregated, cold storage accounts.
I hope we can eventually earn everyone's trust, but I understand the skepticism with all of the unfortunate negativity from a couple loud people.
Ragnar
I apologize if not all are happy, but we cannot universally pay out funds that cannot be verified. Otherwise, we open the door to any scammer who stumbles upon our site.
Again, I am unwilling to discuss anyone's individual situation in a public forum, but am happy to refund people's stolen money, as we are doing EVERY DAY. Again, please feel free to email at [email protected]
I have never stolen anyone's money and am only trying to take care of these accounts as best as possible. All accounts that are not refunded before the BurnTurn.eu launch will be credited when BurnTurn launches. Unlike Satoshi Poker, all player funds will be held in segregated, cold storage accounts.
I hope we can eventually earn everyone's trust, but I understand the skepticism with all of the unfortunate negativity from a couple loud people.
Ragnar
does brandon/ragnar really think anybody will ever play on a poker site where he is involved if this is the way he runs business?!?
Still nothing, no email reply
no Skype
no phone call
I doubt he will pay me my Bitcoin.
I gave him all the info he needs to
do the right thing.
No reply is pretty petty ... when he needed
to talk to me, i always made time for him.
I genuinely did try to help the guy.
And of course willing to help in anyway i could
to get players paid, AS PROMISED !!!
started in May it is almost September, Impressive huh?
It all boils down to this:
[7/2/2014 9:45:17 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart truly fucked up the code and lost a couple very important files. We are unable to relaunch SP and are rolling over the accounts onto BurnTurn, which will be in beta in about a month. I know this has taken long but we can't launch a site without some of the key functions such as proper withdrawal code
[7/9/2014 6:43:05 AM] Brandon Casten: You betrayed my trust by letting Bart know an exact, private quote that I sent you. He is now trying to sue me. You are the only person who has gotten an advance on his BTC from SP and this is the way you treat me? I am glad that we are not in business together.
That does not relinquish his responsibility to pay players funds!!!
Brandon Casten, I did not intentionally give Bart that information
It wasnt revealed until I chewed his ass out for not getting his end of the deal done.
Since, you told me HE was the reason for dragging this out so many months!!!
Apparently that wasnt true!! That is why Bart considered suing you...
I did what i did so the players could get paid, including me !!!
not out of some malice to you, Hell I tried to help you!!
I kinda feel bad now for the way I cussed Bart.
~~plo8
no Skype
no phone call
I doubt he will pay me my Bitcoin.
I gave him all the info he needs to
do the right thing.
No reply is pretty petty ... when he needed
to talk to me, i always made time for him.
I genuinely did try to help the guy.
And of course willing to help in anyway i could
to get players paid, AS PROMISED !!!
started in May it is almost September, Impressive huh?
It all boils down to this:
[7/2/2014 9:45:17 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart truly fucked up the code and lost a couple very important files. We are unable to relaunch SP and are rolling over the accounts onto BurnTurn, which will be in beta in about a month. I know this has taken long but we can't launch a site without some of the key functions such as proper withdrawal code
[7/9/2014 6:43:05 AM] Brandon Casten: You betrayed my trust by letting Bart know an exact, private quote that I sent you. He is now trying to sue me. You are the only person who has gotten an advance on his BTC from SP and this is the way you treat me? I am glad that we are not in business together.
That does not relinquish his responsibility to pay players funds!!!
Brandon Casten, I did not intentionally give Bart that information
It wasnt revealed until I chewed his ass out for not getting his end of the deal done.
Since, you told me HE was the reason for dragging this out so many months!!!
Apparently that wasnt true!! That is why Bart considered suing you...
I did what i did so the players could get paid, including me !!!
not out of some malice to you, Hell I tried to help you!!
I kinda feel bad now for the way I cussed Bart.
~~plo8
all good, funds received in less than 24hrs.
It is Friday 1 full business week, no reply to email..
No reply to posts.
He has my Skype and my phone number,
And my reply to his email.
I actually need to know where does the Buck stop !!! Is it Brandon, is it Ragnar. Are these 2 people who perhaps do not communicate
My experience is the longer someone owes me, the less they think they owe me.
I live in the online Bitcoin poker world, I have fully explained my case for refund.
I believe, the poker community knows im no liar, or scammer of any type, EVER !!!
I have a long history as fair and honest, with a substantial number of online Bitcoin poker players.
I am bitter. When i give of myself to help someone and they screw me over i get that way !!
Hopefully he will get it together and do the right thing....
~~plo8
No reply to posts.
He has my Skype and my phone number,
And my reply to his email.
I actually need to know where does the Buck stop !!! Is it Brandon, is it Ragnar. Are these 2 people who perhaps do not communicate
My experience is the longer someone owes me, the less they think they owe me.
I live in the online Bitcoin poker world, I have fully explained my case for refund.
I believe, the poker community knows im no liar, or scammer of any type, EVER !!!
I have a long history as fair and honest, with a substantial number of online Bitcoin poker players.
I am bitter. When i give of myself to help someone and they screw me over i get that way !!
Hopefully he will get it together and do the right thing....
~~plo8
omg
business the satoshi way...
plo: i hope youll get your founds back!!!!
business the satoshi way...
plo: i hope youll get your founds back!!!!
I see exactly what is going on here.
Ragnar, the backend and spreadsheet showed player balances without the pending withdrawals. Brandon should be aware of this as the entire conversation pre-sale we have been discussing the enterra balances and pending withdrawals. You can find the pending withdrawals in the transactions.sql which Brandon confirmed you have in your possession. You can also cancel the pending withdrawals manually in the Enterra backend and see the amounts of the withdrawal requests recredited back to the accounts.
I thought you guys were aware of this as I had a lengthy conversation with Brandon about this after he asked me about plo8monster's and other player's balances.
Just cancel the pending withdrawals so all players get what they are owed. The spreadsheet mentioned above is not including these pending withdrawals, but then again they only show 13 BTC in outstanding balance. Guess why we agreed on 22 btc? Because that included these withdrawals.
Get it sorted
Ragnar, the backend and spreadsheet showed player balances without the pending withdrawals. Brandon should be aware of this as the entire conversation pre-sale we have been discussing the enterra balances and pending withdrawals. You can find the pending withdrawals in the transactions.sql which Brandon confirmed you have in your possession. You can also cancel the pending withdrawals manually in the Enterra backend and see the amounts of the withdrawal requests recredited back to the accounts.
I thought you guys were aware of this as I had a lengthy conversation with Brandon about this after he asked me about plo8monster's and other player's balances.
Just cancel the pending withdrawals so all players get what they are owed. The spreadsheet mentioned above is not including these pending withdrawals, but then again they only show 13 BTC in outstanding balance. Guess why we agreed on 22 btc? Because that included these withdrawals.
Get it sorted
The following, shows Brandon/Ragnar (whatever identity he wishes to portray) Ask me time and again to get Bart to do something "PLEASE TALK TO BART"
I helped Brandon as much as i possibly could to be get the sale completed and players paid !!!
Now in response, he lashes out at me. And now replies to my request for funds with a cheesy email telling me that he thinks 5 of the 7.8 Bitcoin I kept on SP is a good compromise !! BS!!!
I believe it was done to punish me for giving Bart some piece of information Brandon shared with me !!!
[5/22/2014 3:12:43 PM] plo8 monster: Brandon are you available for a couple minutes??
[5/22/2014 3:13:49 PM] plo8 monster: [Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:08 PM] plo8 monster:
<<< So is the sale complete, has Bart gotten you all neccessary transfers of control ?? I still need access to my funds... I am now current on my personal bills, but still almost 2k short of head stone and a 2yr upkeep contract.... These guys have been very patient with me getting them paid.. but will not deliver head stone until reciept of $1978 ... I need 4 btc urgently... I do have a w/d in place on the site, but i do not know how you plan to proceed... Im not trying to be pushy in any way, I am trying to just let this all fall into place.. But my Btc is a large part of why Bart sold SP... I really owuldnt bother you if it were not important.... Can ya please let me know your plans to get me paid..? Is there anything i can do to help? Just let me know...
[5/22/2014 3:39:37 PM] Brandon Casten: Hey Randy, I am tied up at the moment. I cannot release any funds until Bart hands over all of the property of SP. At this point, we haven't heard back from him other than that he couldn't access one of the emails. The sooner Bart gives us what we need the sooner you can get paid, so if you want to talk to Bart, that would make things quicker
[5/22/2014 3:40:38 PM] plo8 monster: I will do... he gave me the impression it was complete...sorry to bother ya, i will hit bart up asap a light a fire under his feet LOL
[5/22/2014 3:41:05 PM] Brandon Casten: Haha. Sounds good. As soon as he gets us everything we will be all set
[5/22/2014 3:41:42 PM] plo8 monster: well he knows what shape i am in.... im sure he will hurry up and get it done
[5/22/2014 3:44:20 PM] Brandon Casten: Sounds good
[6/2/2014 8:29:03 PM] Brandon Casten: I just spoke to him and we are all set. Thank you, Randy! BTW, can you get after Bart, he isn't getting back to me with important info
[6/2/2014 8:29:40 PM] plo8 monster: ok i will .... i will speak to him sometime today
[6/2/2014 8:29:47 PM] Brandon Casten: Thank you!
[7/1/2014 3:02:08 PM] plo8 monster: Hey Brandon, what is the status of players funds on SP. I need to know apporximatley when you wil pay the balance of my account on SP off... I have waited very patiently, it is now July and you have still have my bitcoin.. whats up with that Brandon??? Can you tell me when you intend to honor the accounts on SP. This seems like a very very long time to pay off players accounts...
[7/2/2014 9:45:17 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart truly fucked up the code and lost a couple very important files. We are unable to relaunch SP and are rolling over the accounts onto BurnTurn, which will be in beta in about a month. I know this has taken long but we can't launch a site without some of the key functions such as proper withdrawal code
[7/9/2014 6:43:05 AM] Brandon Casten: You betrayed my trust by letting Bart know an exact, private quote that I sent you. He is now trying to sue me. You are the only person who has gotten an advance on his BTC from SP and this is the way you treat me? I am glad that we are not in business together.
[7/9/2014 10:41:51 AM | Edited 10:42:50 AM] plo8 monster: BRANDON !!! Wow, your lashing out at me? Dude, i have tried to be helpful to you.. I dont know what the hell your talking about a quote from Bart?? Man I rarely speak to Bart, because he always has way to much drama for me.. I think ya both have been somewhat childish and immature, and the players who have bitcoin on the site suffer!!! You squable over semantics while the players are still not paid !! I really dont know your plans, but if you let anger at Bart dictate your behaviour, well than your no better than him... Goodluck in whatever direction you take. If you think I have betrayed you or even think that i am the sort of person who would do you wrong, then i rekon i am glad we are not in business together also.. AS for an advance, you cant advance me what is mine to begin with.. Jesus Brandon where is your head..LOL I have seen Bart piss people off before, but your hem hawing around and not getting players paid is just poor business, and poor Karma. Are you under contract to pay the players off? If you do right by the players Brandon..I will stand up for you...Publicly!! ....IF you keep jack assing around with Bart blaming him and not getting anything done. I will not be willing to help in any way. I am pretty disgusted with the BOTH of you ..and YES I AM sending Bart a copy of this also !!!! ...
*********************************************************************************************************************
I may have no recourse to get my payment in full from you Brandon Casten, BUT YOU can bet your last Bitcoin
I will not go away. So you make small payments to a few players, for image, but the large accounts ..you think you can compromise.. What a crock of crap !!
**************************** PLAYERS BEWARE, !!!!
The following is the email correspondence, after sending request per the post in this thread provided by Brandon Casten:
Randy,
I am the one who is charged with analyzing the data and making decisions
on refunds. For people with set balances (Bart's spreadsheet matched
the one that we pulled from the SP database), we are refunding their
balances with no questions asked and have done so for 11 people to date,
including you.
For people with balances that we cannot verify, we are finding a
compromise. There has been one other person in your shoes, who claims
to have a pending deposit that was never paid, but we cannot verify. We
were able to come to a fair agreement with that person even though we
were note bound to pay him by the contract with Bart. We'd like to
believe everyone is telling the truth, but we could open the doors to a
ton of people claiming they have BTC that they didn't earn and we'd open
the door for scams. All decisions made to refund unverified balances
are made on a case by case basis.
At this point, your balance is about 3.8 BTC and this is verified by
both the database and Bart. We have already paid you 5 BTC and you were
the first person to get paid. I know you claim to have been owed a
total of 7.8 BTC, but we have no way of verifying that you actually
owned all of those BTC. For this reason, we feel like paying you 5 BTC
is a pretty fair compromise.
Best,
{{{{************************** IN THE EMAIL THEY SENT .... I see them say " For people with set balances (Bart's spreadsheet matched
the one that we pulled from the SP database)," :: " we are refunding their
balances with no questions"" THAT IS ... in beginning of email, then at end of email they say ...." At this point, your balance is about 3.8 BTC and this is verified by
both the database and Bart. " and the withdraw in question has been validated by Brandon a month ago ,,, see the following skype chat***************}}}}}}}.
.I would think getting players paid promptly would be priiority 1.... I dont know ....guesse i shouldnt be minding oyur business... I just want you guys to get this chapter closed so we can all move forward...
[6/13/2014 8:13:20 AM] Brandon Casten: We found your 4 BTC withdrawal last night. Please be patient, we are trying to deal with a ton of data here.
[6/13/2014 8:56:22 PM] plo8 monster: ty for letting me know.... that eases my mind. T
BOTTOM LINE IS HE KNEW ABOUT THE PENDING WITHDRAW, BUT IS MAD AT ME AND DENYING ME PAYMENT IF FULL !!!
And my reply, which is still unanswered: ( my reply is the following )
Not sure why ya would send this email.
Brandon Casten is aware of the withdraw and the 2.8 btc balance on the site. He has been a gentleman about everything right up until Bart Van Oort pulled his BS. Dont blame him for being angry, but it is misdirected at me.
I expect Brandon to keep his word as agreed and pay me the balance of my funds. That balance is 2.8 btc
[6/13/2014 8:13:20 AM] Brandon Casten: We found your 4 BTC withdrawal last night. Please be patient, we are trying to deal with a ton of data here.
I had 7.8 btc on site //// and a 4 btc withdraw pending (never processed) Brandon is aware of this /// Brandon graciously sent me 5 btc of my balance to help with some funeral expenses (for that i am so very grateful)... The 5 he sent means the balance is 2.8 Btc... He agreed to send upon opening the site.
You will show a balance of 3,8 .. beacause of the 7.8btc balance minus the pending 4 btc withdraw ..that is in question!!
I did offer a compromise ...send me 2 btc and leave .8 on site to give it a test drive and good Public Review !! as I promised I would all along.....
Please Ragnar, discuss this with Brandon..
Thank you for your prompt reply !!!
**********************************
THE PENDING WITHDRAW (WAS VALIDATED BY BRANDON!!)
This is the deal, Brandon knew there was a 4 btc pending withdraw of the 7.8 bitcoin i held in SP
He sent me 5 Btc to help with a funeral expense (he was in negotiations with me to help him restore the site, so he sent 5)
I accepted A better offer from a major online poker site. And i then went to the back burner...although i continued to try and help the sale complete and players paid!!!
The 3.8 btc they show currently on my account verified by data base and Bart ..is the result of 7.8 bitcoin minus 4 btc with draw that never was processed, showing 4(pending w/d) + 3.8
Brandon paid 5 of the 7.8 btc...they owe me 2.8...
BEWARE PLAYERS !!! they tell me they are negotiating with people who had "who claims
to have a pending deposit that was never paid, but we cannot verify"
they meant TO SAY pending WITHDRAW that was never paid...
They are speaking of a pending withdraw //// deposit is a typo :
.. I just want you guys to get this chapter closed so we can all move forward...
[6/13/2014 8:13:20 AM] Brandon Casten: We found your 4 BTC withdrawal last night. Please be patient, we are trying to deal with a ton of data here.
[6/13/2014 8:56:22 PM] plo8 monster: ty for letting me know.... that eases my mind. Ty
Now that i am no longer of value to him, he decides not to honor his agreement !! plus he is pisses because i told Bart why he wasnt paying players yet!!!
HE has all the information to validate my account, and yet sends me a cheesy email telling me they feel partial payment is a good compromise because they cant validate, what Brandon clearly states he validated !!!
And they make statement they have compromised with another player.. So players beware !!! you owe them no compromise..
They can either keep their word in full, or be cheesy, Foolishly thinking the players dont communicate with one another !!
I have sacrificed enough, thru this all...I WILL NOT COMPROMISE !!! PAY ME IN FULL AS YOU AGREED. YOUR GAMBLE WITH KARMA IS A POOR INDICATOR OF WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH YOUR NEW SITE!!
~~~plo8monster
I helped Brandon as much as i possibly could to be get the sale completed and players paid !!!
Now in response, he lashes out at me. And now replies to my request for funds with a cheesy email telling me that he thinks 5 of the 7.8 Bitcoin I kept on SP is a good compromise !! BS!!!
I believe it was done to punish me for giving Bart some piece of information Brandon shared with me !!!
[5/22/2014 3:12:43 PM] plo8 monster: Brandon are you available for a couple minutes??
[5/22/2014 3:13:49 PM] plo8 monster: [Thursday, May 22, 2014 3:08 PM] plo8 monster:
<<< So is the sale complete, has Bart gotten you all neccessary transfers of control ?? I still need access to my funds... I am now current on my personal bills, but still almost 2k short of head stone and a 2yr upkeep contract.... These guys have been very patient with me getting them paid.. but will not deliver head stone until reciept of $1978 ... I need 4 btc urgently... I do have a w/d in place on the site, but i do not know how you plan to proceed... Im not trying to be pushy in any way, I am trying to just let this all fall into place.. But my Btc is a large part of why Bart sold SP... I really owuldnt bother you if it were not important.... Can ya please let me know your plans to get me paid..? Is there anything i can do to help? Just let me know...
[5/22/2014 3:39:37 PM] Brandon Casten: Hey Randy, I am tied up at the moment. I cannot release any funds until Bart hands over all of the property of SP. At this point, we haven't heard back from him other than that he couldn't access one of the emails. The sooner Bart gives us what we need the sooner you can get paid, so if you want to talk to Bart, that would make things quicker
[5/22/2014 3:40:38 PM] plo8 monster: I will do... he gave me the impression it was complete...sorry to bother ya, i will hit bart up asap a light a fire under his feet LOL
[5/22/2014 3:41:05 PM] Brandon Casten: Haha. Sounds good. As soon as he gets us everything we will be all set
[5/22/2014 3:41:42 PM] plo8 monster: well he knows what shape i am in.... im sure he will hurry up and get it done
[5/22/2014 3:44:20 PM] Brandon Casten: Sounds good
[6/2/2014 8:29:03 PM] Brandon Casten: I just spoke to him and we are all set. Thank you, Randy! BTW, can you get after Bart, he isn't getting back to me with important info
[6/2/2014 8:29:40 PM] plo8 monster: ok i will .... i will speak to him sometime today
[6/2/2014 8:29:47 PM] Brandon Casten: Thank you!
[7/1/2014 3:02:08 PM] plo8 monster: Hey Brandon, what is the status of players funds on SP. I need to know apporximatley when you wil pay the balance of my account on SP off... I have waited very patiently, it is now July and you have still have my bitcoin.. whats up with that Brandon??? Can you tell me when you intend to honor the accounts on SP. This seems like a very very long time to pay off players accounts...
[7/2/2014 9:45:17 AM] Brandon Casten: Bart truly fucked up the code and lost a couple very important files. We are unable to relaunch SP and are rolling over the accounts onto BurnTurn, which will be in beta in about a month. I know this has taken long but we can't launch a site without some of the key functions such as proper withdrawal code
[7/9/2014 6:43:05 AM] Brandon Casten: You betrayed my trust by letting Bart know an exact, private quote that I sent you. He is now trying to sue me. You are the only person who has gotten an advance on his BTC from SP and this is the way you treat me? I am glad that we are not in business together.
[7/9/2014 10:41:51 AM | Edited 10:42:50 AM] plo8 monster: BRANDON !!! Wow, your lashing out at me? Dude, i have tried to be helpful to you.. I dont know what the hell your talking about a quote from Bart?? Man I rarely speak to Bart, because he always has way to much drama for me.. I think ya both have been somewhat childish and immature, and the players who have bitcoin on the site suffer!!! You squable over semantics while the players are still not paid !! I really dont know your plans, but if you let anger at Bart dictate your behaviour, well than your no better than him... Goodluck in whatever direction you take. If you think I have betrayed you or even think that i am the sort of person who would do you wrong, then i rekon i am glad we are not in business together also.. AS for an advance, you cant advance me what is mine to begin with.. Jesus Brandon where is your head..LOL I have seen Bart piss people off before, but your hem hawing around and not getting players paid is just poor business, and poor Karma. Are you under contract to pay the players off? If you do right by the players Brandon..I will stand up for you...Publicly!! ....IF you keep jack assing around with Bart blaming him and not getting anything done. I will not be willing to help in any way. I am pretty disgusted with the BOTH of you ..and YES I AM sending Bart a copy of this also !!!! ...
*********************************************************************************************************************
I may have no recourse to get my payment in full from you Brandon Casten, BUT YOU can bet your last Bitcoin
I will not go away. So you make small payments to a few players, for image, but the large accounts ..you think you can compromise.. What a crock of crap !!
**************************** PLAYERS BEWARE, !!!!
The following is the email correspondence, after sending request per the post in this thread provided by Brandon Casten:
Randy,
I am the one who is charged with analyzing the data and making decisions
on refunds. For people with set balances (Bart's spreadsheet matched
the one that we pulled from the SP database), we are refunding their
balances with no questions asked and have done so for 11 people to date,
including you.
For people with balances that we cannot verify, we are finding a
compromise. There has been one other person in your shoes, who claims
to have a pending deposit that was never paid, but we cannot verify. We
were able to come to a fair agreement with that person even though we
were note bound to pay him by the contract with Bart. We'd like to
believe everyone is telling the truth, but we could open the doors to a
ton of people claiming they have BTC that they didn't earn and we'd open
the door for scams. All decisions made to refund unverified balances
are made on a case by case basis.
At this point, your balance is about 3.8 BTC and this is verified by
both the database and Bart. We have already paid you 5 BTC and you were
the first person to get paid. I know you claim to have been owed a
total of 7.8 BTC, but we have no way of verifying that you actually
owned all of those BTC. For this reason, we feel like paying you 5 BTC
is a pretty fair compromise.
Best,
{{{{************************** IN THE EMAIL THEY SENT .... I see them say " For people with set balances (Bart's spreadsheet matched
the one that we pulled from the SP database)," :: " we are refunding their
balances with no questions"" THAT IS ... in beginning of email, then at end of email they say ...." At this point, your balance is about 3.8 BTC and this is verified by
both the database and Bart. " and the withdraw in question has been validated by Brandon a month ago ,,, see the following skype chat***************}}}}}}}.
.I would think getting players paid promptly would be priiority 1.... I dont know ....guesse i shouldnt be minding oyur business... I just want you guys to get this chapter closed so we can all move forward...
[6/13/2014 8:13:20 AM] Brandon Casten: We found your 4 BTC withdrawal last night. Please be patient, we are trying to deal with a ton of data here.
[6/13/2014 8:56:22 PM] plo8 monster: ty for letting me know.... that eases my mind. T
BOTTOM LINE IS HE KNEW ABOUT THE PENDING WITHDRAW, BUT IS MAD AT ME AND DENYING ME PAYMENT IF FULL !!!
And my reply, which is still unanswered: ( my reply is the following )
Not sure why ya would send this email.
Brandon Casten is aware of the withdraw and the 2.8 btc balance on the site. He has been a gentleman about everything right up until Bart Van Oort pulled his BS. Dont blame him for being angry, but it is misdirected at me.
I expect Brandon to keep his word as agreed and pay me the balance of my funds. That balance is 2.8 btc
[6/13/2014 8:13:20 AM] Brandon Casten: We found your 4 BTC withdrawal last night. Please be patient, we are trying to deal with a ton of data here.
I had 7.8 btc on site //// and a 4 btc withdraw pending (never processed) Brandon is aware of this /// Brandon graciously sent me 5 btc of my balance to help with some funeral expenses (for that i am so very grateful)... The 5 he sent means the balance is 2.8 Btc... He agreed to send upon opening the site.
You will show a balance of 3,8 .. beacause of the 7.8btc balance minus the pending 4 btc withdraw ..that is in question!!
I did offer a compromise ...send me 2 btc and leave .8 on site to give it a test drive and good Public Review !! as I promised I would all along.....
Please Ragnar, discuss this with Brandon..
Thank you for your prompt reply !!!
**********************************
THE PENDING WITHDRAW (WAS VALIDATED BY BRANDON!!)
This is the deal, Brandon knew there was a 4 btc pending withdraw of the 7.8 bitcoin i held in SP
He sent me 5 Btc to help with a funeral expense (he was in negotiations with me to help him restore the site, so he sent 5)
I accepted A better offer from a major online poker site. And i then went to the back burner...although i continued to try and help the sale complete and players paid!!!
The 3.8 btc they show currently on my account verified by data base and Bart ..is the result of 7.8 bitcoin minus 4 btc with draw that never was processed, showing 4(pending w/d) + 3.8
Brandon paid 5 of the 7.8 btc...they owe me 2.8...
BEWARE PLAYERS !!! they tell me they are negotiating with people who had "who claims
to have a pending deposit that was never paid, but we cannot verify"
they meant TO SAY pending WITHDRAW that was never paid...
They are speaking of a pending withdraw //// deposit is a typo :
.. I just want you guys to get this chapter closed so we can all move forward...
[6/13/2014 8:13:20 AM] Brandon Casten: We found your 4 BTC withdrawal last night. Please be patient, we are trying to deal with a ton of data here.
[6/13/2014 8:56:22 PM] plo8 monster: ty for letting me know.... that eases my mind. Ty
Now that i am no longer of value to him, he decides not to honor his agreement !! plus he is pisses because i told Bart why he wasnt paying players yet!!!
HE has all the information to validate my account, and yet sends me a cheesy email telling me they feel partial payment is a good compromise because they cant validate, what Brandon clearly states he validated !!!
And they make statement they have compromised with another player.. So players beware !!! you owe them no compromise..
They can either keep their word in full, or be cheesy, Foolishly thinking the players dont communicate with one another !!
I have sacrificed enough, thru this all...I WILL NOT COMPROMISE !!! PAY ME IN FULL AS YOU AGREED. YOUR GAMBLE WITH KARMA IS A POOR INDICATOR OF WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH YOUR NEW SITE!!
~~~plo8monster
Why if you are doing the right thing would you send me a reply email asking for a compromise.. You were 100% aware of my funds on the site. And agreed to pay me. in full...
You were kind enough to pay me 5 of the 7.8 Bitcoin i kept on site. I expect you to be a gentleman and honor your agreement with me. Honestly i think you are responding to my request for refund pretty cheesy.
I think it is in response to me sharing what ya said to me, with Bart. All i was trying to do was light a fire under Bart to get him to give ya all the keys ya needed to complete the sale. Your anger over Barts antics are misdirected at me.
[6/2/2014 8:29:03 PM] Brandon Casten: I just spoke to him and we are all set. Thank you, Randy! BTW, can you get after Bart, he isn't getting back to me with important info.
I do not wish to make our conversations public Brandon Casten. I simply wish to be refunded my bitcoin just like the other players. I kept my funds online for months and months to be sure Bart could cover players requests.. And my funds were the lions share of the site.. You were aware i held ~~8btc of the 22BTC debt to players, you agreed to pay....
I am honest to a fault, I am not trying to get over on you, and your email to me made me feel as if you think i am trying to scam you... I took it personally as an insult !!!!
My funds on SP were seldom available to me during the last 4 months of SP. I HAD TO keep them on site just to protect players funds. So now my efforts come back to me with you telling me you think paying 5 of the 7.8 as a compromise. YOU ARE and WERE !!! FULLY AWARE OF MY FUNDS ON SITE !!!
I Replied to your compromise, cheesy email.. Please do the right thing Brandon. Im not the one you should punish for Bart's posts.... All i ever did was try and help you thru dealing with Bart.. I know how that can get. Bart can be a real shit to deal with, so I fully understand your anger: but it is misdirected at me.....
Keep your word, be a good man not some immature responses to the former CEO, that effect me and my family. The 2.8 btc you still owe me is no small amount. That is a lot of tuition money... I do not agree to a compromise .... Pay as you agreed to. If you allow your anger at Bart to effect the way you treat me, then you are absolutely no better than he is.. Taking or keeping what is NOT YOURS is Stealing, no matter if you put lipstick on it, and call it a compromise.
~~plo8
added:
Nothing will please me more than printing a retraction to this post !!!
I do have confidence you will do the right thing. The moment i see my bitcoin sent to my wallet i will retract or remove the post!!
Im sure you have lots to deal with, matter fact it was me who you consulted very early on to start this ball rolling. I have confidence you will do the right thing,
however, I feel the need to speak up. The players need to know you are trying to short change me. They know how hard i worked for them. Do you ??
like i said I will be very happy to turn this post into good account for your venture with BurnTurn.. Do you really want this to haunt you.. Please do the right thing so I can retract my posts!
I do NOT LIKE DRAMA, i simply want to be paid what is mine !! As you agreed to ...
~~plo8
You were kind enough to pay me 5 of the 7.8 Bitcoin i kept on site. I expect you to be a gentleman and honor your agreement with me. Honestly i think you are responding to my request for refund pretty cheesy.
I think it is in response to me sharing what ya said to me, with Bart. All i was trying to do was light a fire under Bart to get him to give ya all the keys ya needed to complete the sale. Your anger over Barts antics are misdirected at me.
[6/2/2014 8:29:03 PM] Brandon Casten: I just spoke to him and we are all set. Thank you, Randy! BTW, can you get after Bart, he isn't getting back to me with important info.
I do not wish to make our conversations public Brandon Casten. I simply wish to be refunded my bitcoin just like the other players. I kept my funds online for months and months to be sure Bart could cover players requests.. And my funds were the lions share of the site.. You were aware i held ~~8btc of the 22BTC debt to players, you agreed to pay....
I am honest to a fault, I am not trying to get over on you, and your email to me made me feel as if you think i am trying to scam you... I took it personally as an insult !!!!
My funds on SP were seldom available to me during the last 4 months of SP. I HAD TO keep them on site just to protect players funds. So now my efforts come back to me with you telling me you think paying 5 of the 7.8 as a compromise. YOU ARE and WERE !!! FULLY AWARE OF MY FUNDS ON SITE !!!
I Replied to your compromise, cheesy email.. Please do the right thing Brandon. Im not the one you should punish for Bart's posts.... All i ever did was try and help you thru dealing with Bart.. I know how that can get. Bart can be a real shit to deal with, so I fully understand your anger: but it is misdirected at me.....
Keep your word, be a good man not some immature responses to the former CEO, that effect me and my family. The 2.8 btc you still owe me is no small amount. That is a lot of tuition money... I do not agree to a compromise .... Pay as you agreed to. If you allow your anger at Bart to effect the way you treat me, then you are absolutely no better than he is.. Taking or keeping what is NOT YOURS is Stealing, no matter if you put lipstick on it, and call it a compromise.
~~plo8
added:
Nothing will please me more than printing a retraction to this post !!!
I do have confidence you will do the right thing. The moment i see my bitcoin sent to my wallet i will retract or remove the post!!
Im sure you have lots to deal with, matter fact it was me who you consulted very early on to start this ball rolling. I have confidence you will do the right thing,
however, I feel the need to speak up. The players need to know you are trying to short change me. They know how hard i worked for them. Do you ??
like i said I will be very happy to turn this post into good account for your venture with BurnTurn.. Do you really want this to haunt you.. Please do the right thing so I can retract my posts!
I do NOT LIKE DRAMA, i simply want to be paid what is mine !! As you agreed to ...
~~plo8
i get back my funds very fast.
thank you
thank you
RagnarBT, All I wanted is BurnTurn to start paying out the players as was promised. As I see you are now making a serious effort to do so, I wish you the best of luck with BurnTurn Poker!
No problem!
st1letto,
My pleasure! I signed a contract to take on the liabilities of Satoshi about a month ago and my intention is to pay everyone who has a legitimate balance. The vast majority of balances were extremely low and there are over 1,000 accounts with balances, so the easiest way was to credit SP accounts and allow immediate withdrawal. When I realized I couldn't reasonably get SP running in short order, we had to make the decision to rollover people onto BurnTurn. It was tough, because I don't want there to be any more negative stories in the BTC space…such as the one that the former CEO created.
The rest of the stuff is just petty bullshit and I have no idea why some people felt the need to bash me. I'm not mad, just don't want undue negativity towards BurnTurn before we have a chance to earn people's trust. I am confident that time will show that we are honest people with an excellent online poker experience. Luckily the very few who have decided to bash our people are pretty irrelevant.
Again, for all who want to reclaim their BTC that were stolen by the old owner of Satoshi Poker, please email: [email protected]
Thank you,
Ragnar
My pleasure! I signed a contract to take on the liabilities of Satoshi about a month ago and my intention is to pay everyone who has a legitimate balance. The vast majority of balances were extremely low and there are over 1,000 accounts with balances, so the easiest way was to credit SP accounts and allow immediate withdrawal. When I realized I couldn't reasonably get SP running in short order, we had to make the decision to rollover people onto BurnTurn. It was tough, because I don't want there to be any more negative stories in the BTC space…such as the one that the former CEO created.
The rest of the stuff is just petty bullshit and I have no idea why some people felt the need to bash me. I'm not mad, just don't want undue negativity towards BurnTurn before we have a chance to earn people's trust. I am confident that time will show that we are honest people with an excellent online poker experience. Luckily the very few who have decided to bash our people are pretty irrelevant.
Again, for all who want to reclaim their BTC that were stolen by the old owner of Satoshi Poker, please email: [email protected]
Thank you,
Ragnar
Thanks you for sending my funds, hopefully it confirms
https://blockchain.info/tx/578a0da8be688a25af98cb8dcea82656fbddc8f7fb87ac90390c7874f075c396
st1letto,
My pleasure! I signed a contract to take on the liabilities of Satoshi about a month ago and my intention is to pay everyone who has a legitimate balance. The vast majority of balances were extremely low and there are over 1,000 accounts with balances, so the easiest way was to credit SP accounts and allow immediate withdrawal. When I realized I couldn't reasonably get SP running in short order, we had to make the decision to rollover people onto BurnTurn. It was tough, because I don't want there to be any more negative stories in the BTC space…such as the one that the former CEO created.
The rest of the stuff is just petty bullshit and I have no idea why some people felt the need to bash me. I'm not mad, just don't want undue negativity towards BurnTurn before we have a chance to earn people's trust. I am confident that time will show that we are honest people with an excellent online poker experience. Luckily the very few who have decided to bash our people are pretty irrelevant.
Again, for all who want to reclaim their BTC that were stolen by the old owner of Satoshi Poker, please email: [email protected]
Thank you,
Ragnar
My pleasure! I signed a contract to take on the liabilities of Satoshi about a month ago and my intention is to pay everyone who has a legitimate balance. The vast majority of balances were extremely low and there are over 1,000 accounts with balances, so the easiest way was to credit SP accounts and allow immediate withdrawal. When I realized I couldn't reasonably get SP running in short order, we had to make the decision to rollover people onto BurnTurn. It was tough, because I don't want there to be any more negative stories in the BTC space…such as the one that the former CEO created.
The rest of the stuff is just petty bullshit and I have no idea why some people felt the need to bash me. I'm not mad, just don't want undue negativity towards BurnTurn before we have a chance to earn people's trust. I am confident that time will show that we are honest people with an excellent online poker experience. Luckily the very few who have decided to bash our people are pretty irrelevant.
Again, for all who want to reclaim their BTC that were stolen by the old owner of Satoshi Poker, please email: [email protected]
Thank you,
Ragnar
Dear RagnarBT!
Thanks for taking a prompt action and sending me my outstanding funds on SP behalf as their successor!
I feel like the lucky one, just turned up at the right time, already after abandoning all hopes!
On another note - I wish both sides come to terms [unlikely], I understand you are very strongly passionate and ambitious each for his own business, I feel the same at time when I cannot agree with someone who does not share my view in business, and that has served me badly so many times and partnerships, alliances have been broken!
Can't we all prosper under the same sky? I understand, fighting your rivals or competition is also very attractive, too! But still, let's think about it, okay!
Best regards to all involved parties!
Thanks for taking a prompt action and sending me my outstanding funds on SP behalf as their successor!
I feel like the lucky one, just turned up at the right time, already after abandoning all hopes!
On another note - I wish both sides come to terms [unlikely], I understand you are very strongly passionate and ambitious each for his own business, I feel the same at time when I cannot agree with someone who does not share my view in business, and that has served me badly so many times and partnerships, alliances have been broken!
Can't we all prosper under the same sky? I understand, fighting your rivals or competition is also very attractive, too! But still, let's think about it, okay!
Best regards to all involved parties!
...
If you plan on launching with different software I would be interested in purchasing the Enterra software that satoshipoker ran with.
Hope this works out for everyone
If you plan on launching with different software I would be interested in purchasing the Enterra software that satoshipoker ran with.
Hope this works out for everyone
Lol, what's wrong with your posh and fabulous localpunter.com?
i'm giving him a chance - just sent an email, stating my username, password and outstanding funds from SP
let's see
let's see
My Apologies! The email went to the wrong folder. I found your email and refunded the BTC. For the sake of all on this post, can you verify that you received them?
I apologize for the delay and hope you'll enjoy BurnTurn Poker!
Best,
Ragnar
i'm giving him a chance - just sent an email, stating my username, password and outstanding funds from SP
let's see
I'm looking forward to the outcome! let's see
i'm giving him a chance - just sent an email, stating my username, password and outstanding funds from SP
let's see
let's see
I would ask the moderator to remove these slanderous remarks. Bart is unfortunately very confused at this time and is sharing the details of a private agreement.
I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch.
I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch.
If you plan on launching with different software I would be interested in purchasing the Enterra software that satoshipoker ran with.
Hope this works out for everyone
The software is free: http://www.enterrabitcoinpoker.com/
I would ask the moderator to remove these slanderous remarks. Bart is unfortunately very confused at this time and is sharing the details of a private agreement.
I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch.
I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch.
If you plan on launching with different software I would be interested in purchasing the Enterra software that satoshipoker ran with.
Hope this works out for everyone
The software is free: http://www.enterrabitcoinpoker.com/
For all Satoshi players who were burned by the former CEO and could not withdraw their funds, BurnTurn will honor your accounts in advance of our launch if you need.
Please email: [email protected] and we will return your stolen BTC as soon as we can verify your identity. Please help us by providing as much account info as possible…ideally username, password and associated email address. Also let us know the BTC address to which you would like your refund.
Also, we hope you can enjoy BurnTurn and forget your negative experience at Satoshi Poker.
Nice statement. Except for the fact that Satoshi Poker offered anonymous poker, and basically you are just providing yourself another way of not paying out players that are owed. And in fact, they wouldn't be burned if it didn't took you guys over 2 months since contract to live up to the agreement and perform the relaunch as Brandon Casten offered, instead of coming back from this by various different reasons and still not paying a dime.Please email: [email protected] and we will return your stolen BTC as soon as we can verify your identity. Please help us by providing as much account info as possible…ideally username, password and associated email address. Also let us know the BTC address to which you would like your refund.
Also, we hope you can enjoy BurnTurn and forget your negative experience at Satoshi Poker.
Anyway, I didn't start this thread to have a public discussion with a dishonest person as you, I just wanted to inform our players what has been going on and the steps I am going to take to undo the harm you have caused to them by blocking their balances until late 2014. I am hoping you did see the light now and will honour the agreement, pay out the players and give them a choice whether or not to play at your site. I am not here for a personal crusade against you guys, I just want the players to be paid.
In fact, I will send an email to the players, notifying them of this post and if you are sincere regarding paying them out, I wish you the best of luck.
For all Satoshi players who were burned by the former CEO and could not withdraw their funds, BurnTurn will honor your accounts in advance of our launch if you need.
Please email: [email protected] and we will return your stolen BTC as soon as we can verify your identity. Please help us by providing as much account info as possible…ideally username, password and associated email address. Also let us know the BTC address to which you would like your refund.
Also, we hope you can enjoy BurnTurn and forget your negative experience at Satoshi Poker.
Please email: [email protected] and we will return your stolen BTC as soon as we can verify your identity. Please help us by providing as much account info as possible…ideally username, password and associated email address. Also let us know the BTC address to which you would like your refund.
Also, we hope you can enjoy BurnTurn and forget your negative experience at Satoshi Poker.
AGAIN: WE WILL CREDIT ALL VALID ACCOUNTS UPON LAUNCH OF BURNTURN.EU
late 2014, as you state in http://calvinayre.com/2014/07/03/poker/beckys-affiliated-burnturn-btc-poker/?I would ask the moderator to remove these slanderous remarks. Bart is unfortunately very confused at this time and is sharing the details of a private agreement.
Slander? Please ellaborate where you see slander. I posted nothing but the truth and the agreement of sale to verify this. As for sharing a private agreement: you bought a pokersite on which players hold money and don't allow them to access their funds. I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch.
The software was fully operational. It would have been a simple topup of the hot wallet and players would be able to access their funds and continue playing poker like they did for a year. The enterra poker software has been untouched, as it has always been managed by enterra poker itself.I don't deny the players were owed 22BTC and I don't deny that this is part due to my mismanagement. This is a public secret after the public auction performed on this very same forum. However, there is no web of mistakes, just a (as we speak) 13 BTC less in cold storage than in the player accounts.
I'm not going to play a game of pointing fingers. But I will have you pay out the players.
Looks like a bit of finger pointing on both sides.
Watching closely.
Watching closely.
If anyone has direct questions to me about the Satoshi Software, their personal bitcoins on the site or any concerns, please directly email me: [email protected] I am willing to discuss anything except the legal terms of the deal between the old CEO of Satoshi and our company.
I am done airing any grievances in a public forum, but could not allow this to go without a response. From here, I will not respond to the forthcoming angry responses from Bart or anyone else. Anyone who wants my opinion is welcome to send a note.
AGAIN: WE WILL CREDIT ALL VALID ACCOUNTS UPON LAUNCH OF BURNTURN.EU
I am done airing any grievances in a public forum, but could not allow this to go without a response. From here, I will not respond to the forthcoming angry responses from Bart or anyone else. Anyone who wants my opinion is welcome to send a note.
AGAIN: WE WILL CREDIT ALL VALID ACCOUNTS UPON LAUNCH OF BURNTURN.EU
I would ask the moderator to remove these slanderous remarks. Bart is unfortunately very confused at this time and is sharing the details of a private agreement.
I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch.
I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch.
If you plan on launching with different software I would be interested in purchasing the Enterra software that satoshipoker ran with.
Hope this works out for everyone
I would ask the moderator to remove these slanderous remarks. Bart is unfortunately very confused at this time and is sharing the details of a private agreement.
I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch.
I would also like to remind everyone that it was Bart who is guilty of defrauding his players of around 22 BTC, when he decided to spend the funds in his players' accounts instead of segregating player funds as any reputable poker site would. This is the only FACT that truly matters here. He was bailed out by the BurnTurn team, who accepts this liability, but must do so in a secure fashion to ensure that players get what they are owed. When BurnTurn goes live (very soon), all verified accounts will be credited for instant withdrawal. That promise has not been broken, but it has taken longer than expected to unwind the web of mistakes made by Bart. The BurnTurn team would love to be live with Satoshi Poker, but the software was not ready to launch.
Thank you igaming.org for covering it this quickly...
http://igaming.org/poker/news/former-ceo-of-satoshi-poker-states-new-owners-doesnt-wish-to-pay-players/
http://igaming.org/poker/news/former-ceo-of-satoshi-poker-states-new-owners-doesnt-wish-to-pay-players/
Links and images corrected. They were in incorrect order.
Hi guys,
Former CEO of Satoshi Poker here.
I tried to do the right thing and sell Satoshi Poker to an interested party, who were willing to relaunch Satoshi Poker as BurnTurn.eu, a new poker site legally owned by Open Source Industries Ltd in Antigua, with CEO Ragnar del Torres, but in fact owned and operated by Tampa,FL based Mr Brandon Casten. As Satoshi Poker was nearly bust, I had no other choice than to sell the site for just a plane ticket home with the agreement that player balances would be covered as soon as they had received all the passwords, credentials etc etc. As such I agreed but until this day the buyer has failed to honour the agreement and allow my former customers to cash out their funds.
As you can see on satoshipoker.org, the official version why BurnTurn.eu is not launching is that they wish to release an open source poker software which is still in development. To me personally, their spokesperson Brandon Casten (http://www.linkedin.com/in/brandoncasten) said the following:
To some of my affiliates, who asked why the site isn't live yet and why players can't cash out yet, he said:
Funny, because enterrabitcoinpoker.com does offer free use of the bitcoin deposit and withdrawal system which works with their software!
After confronting him with this, he basically blocked me on skype, has not been answering my emails and on the side has been attacking my affiliates for still having contact with me. Basically, he doesn't want to pay the players.
I am nearly finished with my preparations to sue Mr Brandon Casten and BurnTurn.eu to terminate the agreement and hand me back the software, databases etcetera. If he does, I would be able to have all players paid in at most a week after server transfer etcetera has been done. If he doesn't either hand the software back over or honour the agreement and pay Satoshi Poker's players, I will sue Mr Brandon Casten personally for the lies he has spread about the reason for not paying out the players as this is a legal ground to sue him personally in the United States. Besides that, I will sue BurnTurn.eu (by their legal name Open Source Industries Limited in Antigua) to enforce getting back control over software and backend so all players will be paid.
I would kindly request you all to be real careful with this site and would strongly advice that, if he does in the end allow it, former Satoshi Poker players immediately withdraw their balances from the site, as for now the new owner has clearly shown he doesn't care about the liabilities that he bought with the site.
As shown online ( http://calvinayre.com/2014/07/03/poker/beckys-affiliated-burnturn-btc-poker/ ) he plans to release burnturn.eu late 2014 and I will not have my former players wait this long, when the agreement has been very clear about the condition of sale.
As for people who are interested in the agreement by which Satoshi Poker has been sold:
https://mega.co.nz/#!UkVDlLQb!9IiH-Rt0n4mucDJIIPPm_6fA-RGLj4zZ-PUw5UN9pns
And the transfer of the license, to Mr Brandon Casten himself:
https://mega.co.nz/#!l003mTQR!Vp3rOwJ6nKQ3fVMpK_YbUrS4MY-uNJbzR9QvY_54ys8
To all my former customers at Satoshi Poker:
I will do everything within my power to enforce the buyer to either pay out the players or hand over all software and credentials to me so I can pay them myself. I will not allow the buyer to just take Satoshi Poker's players and abandon its players the way he has done.
Please feel free to send me a PM, email ([email protected]) or skype (bp_van_oort) if you wish to keep up to date with the progress.
Best regards,
Bart van Oort
former CEO Satoshi Poker.
Former CEO of Satoshi Poker here.
I tried to do the right thing and sell Satoshi Poker to an interested party, who were willing to relaunch Satoshi Poker as BurnTurn.eu, a new poker site legally owned by Open Source Industries Ltd in Antigua, with CEO Ragnar del Torres, but in fact owned and operated by Tampa,FL based Mr Brandon Casten. As Satoshi Poker was nearly bust, I had no other choice than to sell the site for just a plane ticket home with the agreement that player balances would be covered as soon as they had received all the passwords, credentials etc etc. As such I agreed but until this day the buyer has failed to honour the agreement and allow my former customers to cash out their funds.
As you can see on satoshipoker.org, the official version why BurnTurn.eu is not launching is that they wish to release an open source poker software which is still in development. To me personally, their spokesperson Brandon Casten (http://www.linkedin.com/in/brandoncasten) said the following:
To some of my affiliates, who asked why the site isn't live yet and why players can't cash out yet, he said:
Funny, because enterrabitcoinpoker.com does offer free use of the bitcoin deposit and withdrawal system which works with their software!
After confronting him with this, he basically blocked me on skype, has not been answering my emails and on the side has been attacking my affiliates for still having contact with me. Basically, he doesn't want to pay the players.
I am nearly finished with my preparations to sue Mr Brandon Casten and BurnTurn.eu to terminate the agreement and hand me back the software, databases etcetera. If he does, I would be able to have all players paid in at most a week after server transfer etcetera has been done. If he doesn't either hand the software back over or honour the agreement and pay Satoshi Poker's players, I will sue Mr Brandon Casten personally for the lies he has spread about the reason for not paying out the players as this is a legal ground to sue him personally in the United States. Besides that, I will sue BurnTurn.eu (by their legal name Open Source Industries Limited in Antigua) to enforce getting back control over software and backend so all players will be paid.
I would kindly request you all to be real careful with this site and would strongly advice that, if he does in the end allow it, former Satoshi Poker players immediately withdraw their balances from the site, as for now the new owner has clearly shown he doesn't care about the liabilities that he bought with the site.
As shown online ( http://calvinayre.com/2014/07/03/poker/beckys-affiliated-burnturn-btc-poker/ ) he plans to release burnturn.eu late 2014 and I will not have my former players wait this long, when the agreement has been very clear about the condition of sale.
As for people who are interested in the agreement by which Satoshi Poker has been sold:
https://mega.co.nz/#!UkVDlLQb!9IiH-Rt0n4mucDJIIPPm_6fA-RGLj4zZ-PUw5UN9pns
And the transfer of the license, to Mr Brandon Casten himself:
https://mega.co.nz/#!l003mTQR!Vp3rOwJ6nKQ3fVMpK_YbUrS4MY-uNJbzR9QvY_54ys8
To all my former customers at Satoshi Poker:
I will do everything within my power to enforce the buyer to either pay out the players or hand over all software and credentials to me so I can pay them myself. I will not allow the buyer to just take Satoshi Poker's players and abandon its players the way he has done.
Please feel free to send me a PM, email ([email protected]) or skype (bp_van_oort) if you wish to keep up to date with the progress.
Best regards,
Bart van Oort
former CEO Satoshi Poker.
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