Topic: Oh look! Another covid thread..... (Read 963 times)

As far as I understand what is happening now:
- The virus exists (but it is not as dangerous as they try to suggest to us)
- The number of people infected and the number of deaths are actually less than they tell us.
- Bill Gates, 5G, Illuminati, etc. - it’s true, and when people want to talk about it, they say that this is nonsense and call good people fanatics.

China claims that it doesn't spread in their country because they were able to contain the virus very early lol. But the way I see it, it's kind of suspicious that they are claiming they were able to hold it down but it still spread out to other countries in the world and got more serious in those countries and killing so many people, while in China it is less severe.

A lot of things that they have been doing is making people believe the conspiracy theories that have been going round the internet these days that the Chinese were behind the breakout. I just hope that all those conspiracy theories are completely fake, because it's going to be a really disturbing issue if the world finds out they are the ones.

OK I admit it, guilty of sweeping statements, sorry =)

Although, I'm not sure why you mentioned China and white people. Where I come from, there is still a lot of bad blood over China, Japan and others -- just not the outright spitting-at-them hatred of my grandparents -- while we've pretty much forgiven the more recent centuries of white slavery. You need only to come see our tourism sites or check out hashtags where we are. White people can make any kind of jokes and actually do. And they're okay, we even laugh along. But god forbid a Chinese/neighbour-from-SEA man says something bad about the place or people;) They'll get the full media treatment and apology demand from embassy.

edit: I suppose you're talking about Twitter and wider english-speaking internet though so maybe your point again is valid there.

Anyway, we're risking going off track buddy, though perhaps your examples might differ from the viewpoint of an indigenous person. So we may have different perspectives of flourishing. From your examples, that perspective if today marginalised, if not completely extinguished.

Australia, the only former penal colony turned country in the Commonwealth that refuses any treaty with their indigenous people. New Zealand who has one of the highest global incarceration rates -- with overwhelming majority of prisoners Maori (only 1 in 6 Kiwis are Maori). Singapore whose original indigenous are all but gone. South Africa, well.

Anyway, we could both spend our hours digging up Google stuff but let's leave it at that and hope that Bitcoin does some good in its neo-money-infiltration-colonialism =p

Yeah...absolutely no country...
Let's forget New Zeeland and Australia because they were actual colonies, let's forget South Africa because of imperialism, the same for Singapore and Hong Kong, or the products of external meddling like South Korea.
The only ones that did not flourish are the ones that are not flourishing even now, independent and making their own decision.
Speaking of Chinese, this is the uncomfortable truth, of course, if a white man would have said that he would be labeled a racist and stoned to death with tweets and pokes.

Yep, I remember in the 1990s Chinese-descent people in my state still spat at Japan. The last communist troops only surrendered in 1991 if you can believe, that's just how deep the jungle is and how long the propaganda machine rolled and how hated Japan was for their occupation, I remember that very well. But today? Amazing.

Once a new generation grows up never having to go hungry or jobless, or pick up arms against invaders, they forget. But there's something to be said about the current global economy, and how millennials probably now for the first time are seeing it for what it is. What exactly that means for Bitcoin, hard to say.

I would add though, that absolutely no country in this world has flourished thanks to any kind of imperialism or colonialism or external meddling.

The moment you have a scene like this one happening in Vietnam:

Even Coronavirus Couldn’t Stop the 2nd US Carrier Visit to Vietnam

I think it' becoming pretty clear how much of a threat China is perceived as.
An US carrier docking in a Vietnamese port and the marines welcomed with applause and flowers is something nobody could picture in the '80s, yet it's happening so it proof how much of a threat China is to some countries. Yeah, for a lot of people the US is the evil rotshcilian bildenbergian reptilian overlord but compared to what China will bring to those, just look at how much they care about their own allies they don't give a damn, there is absolutely no country in this world that has flourished thanks to China.

One more note, it's not the US drilling and taking away at penny prices Irak's oil, it's China!

It's really unfortunate that a lot of nation-building in our part of the world happened more or less in the same period, since our colonial masters withdrew also more or less in the same period -- and this was the same moment China began to reconsider looking outward after centuries of closing itself in from the outside world.

And it's not just in Asia but in the global south. Much of African development is now Chinese-funded, I didn't believe it til I saw for myself. Soft colonialism? I know it's just business in the end for everyone but with digital yuan coming on board, it could be bringing repercussions most countries don't see yet.

At least Bitcoin is one dissenting voice. Even if it won't be enough.

Countries in Southeast Asia are still very thick with the practices of corruption, collusion, and nepotism. And many officials from private or micro corporate backgrounds are given the task of managing macroeconomics so that what they have in mind is just economic growth without thinking about nationalism so that when China launched colonialism 5.0, many Asian countries did not have a state work frame of resilience and instead welcomed it by hand open without an antidote strategy.

In the relation between countries, the framework must be the national interests of each country. Defense approaches must take precedence over economic approach because it is related to the sovereignty of a country. Many government officials failed to read the Chinese grand plan. The country should be on guard not to be annexed by China but it turns out for the sake of economic growth, the country's sovereignty is at stake. Whereas in China the three warfare concepts clearly show the ideals of Chinese colonialism and Chinese steps in implementing its colonialism.

https://warontherocks.com/2018/01/chinas-three-warfares-perspective/

Many Asian countries should think whether they have already eaten the Chinese trap? or already trapped and just waiting to be skinned. With its own diaspora, China is already a threat coupled with an OBOR program and an increase in China's military strength.

Hard to tell what the view will be these days in Southeast Asia, where China has become less of threat than of ally in past two decades -- communism no longer the easy sway word as it was in the 1970s, just as Japan is no longer the evil marauder of the 1940s. I don't have a keen knowledge of the politics now but a lot of people in that part of the world would see China as the lesser evil and side with them.


At least those like us are a bit more resourceful than others. We can look for ways, we are educated (if not qualified), and we have means to find something else. I think most countries will do something, but surviving is no way to live, as it is most people really were just living day to day.

but they are still responsible for this. Basically, the corona virus is considered to be an economic virus and only kills old people with germs in humans. so the consequences for the economy are enormous and the Chinese government has to pay heavy penalties for this problem. The United States will be the source of origin and will subject the Chinese government to appropriate punishment. They have committed a great crime to the whole world.

That might be improbable. As a matter of fact, the entire global community is now coming together to try stopping this virus but all to no avail.

I think that even before China was completely aware that such a virus is existing, the virus must have already silently crept outside the source province itself and probably even reaching abroad. We all know how the virus is extremely infectious. That's even prior to them gaining the first ever limited understanding of the nature of that novel virus.

Its going to be a bit long post, so here it goes:

I ,for sure agree that there have been coverups, and also quite possibly manipulation of the numbers, I can think of several countries that could have potentially manipulated the information and reported lesser cases than reality. As for the disinfectant and the UV, I have little to no knowledge on that particular scenario yet, so I got nothing else to say/add on to it.

I do think that China could have single-handedly stopped this had they been open about what was happening. But then again, any other country would have done the same thing to protect themselves and their reputation. Only difference is China has leverage of being a big fucking manufacturer.

Even a totalitarian system is subject to fail at one point, and when there's fear of death from a plague/pandemic like this, people give a lesser shit about their leaders. Every country that went on lockdown, has had their cases rise, barely 10% of the countries in lockdown managed to bring down the numbers.

Maybe this time china will pay the consequence, I mean we will never know. Right now there is bigger fish to fry, and that is to get out of this pandemic first. China can be dealt with later. Its 2020, we have seen so much we never thought we would ever see. And I can tell US wants to overthrow China, they are not going to keep their hands tied when this ends.

Like Stompix said, the countries in lockdown are all extremely large countries with huge population, the percentage of countries may seem small, but their population count sure isn't. Countries that aren't/weren't in lockdown barely have a few cases, so it doesn't make sense for them to be in a lockdown.


Your theory seems very plausible, and might even be true to some extent. I wouldn't be surprised at all if a war breaks through once this is all over. But I don't expect EU and other countries with moderate military equipment to keep quiet either. Russia may side with China, others won't. I really hope it doesn't get to this. Creating a pandemic to defeat a military strong nations seems to be a vert genius tactic, and so far its working out extremely well for China.

I think most of us are sharing the same plight as you are. Scared of losing our jobs, scared of not being able to feed our families and ourselves. And given up on our governments to do anything for us, and even if they do, it won't be suffice enough. I mean, we can get loans, find new temp part time jobs, do trading all that shit, but that will only help so much. This pandemic needs to end soon, and every single government should provide like a stimulus to its citizens every now and then, the US has had  a record breaking layoffs throughout history and its just beginning. If countries don't do something, their economies will be dwindling and soon there will barely be any economy to rule over. 

In the 1980s, US scientists promised we would have an HIV vaccine within two years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV_vaccine#Difficulties_in_development


Sound familiar? 36 years later, still nothing.

That's one reason we should be prepared for this to play out like the Spanish Flu, as a pandemic that surges in multiple waves over multiple years. One possibility is the virus will mutate into a less lethal strain over time, which is very common for pathogenic viruses. That's probably how the Spanish Flu pandemic ended: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#End_of_the_pandemic

That is what I was always wondering about the vaccine that people were really talking about like it is impossible. I get it, the usual life span of a vaccine that it gets started worked on and it takes at least one year, probably closer to 2 years to get it published, if it is a non-urgent one it takes as much as 5 years to get a release.

However this is an urgent thing that is literally the most important vaccine we would have in decades, I mean this is equal to finding a solution to AIDS, there are 3k people dying every day and that is the good number compared to peak it had.

There must be a short cuts to making a vaccine that will help people to cure during this period that will not make scientist wait for years before they could release it. This time around it could be more like "you have a vaccine? great go start healing people right away, if it is working lets release mass production right away" very quickly.

May be Oxford and India is already on it. Since the vaccine giant Serum Institute of India has already shaken the hands with well known oxford university for its latest development over covid19. The current seed lot or in a layman language viruses already being attenuated and tried in humans. Serum is working on faster nodes with pre-vaccine manufacturing on the data which is based on lab trials. They will be ready with 40 million dosage to be injected all over as soon as more confirmations are laid out after human trials.

This process is no where going to take around 5-6 months more. I think till then we still need to hold on to something, may be hectic lockdown or prayers.

that is why President Trump and a number of countries heavily affected by Covid 19 suspect that China has created the virus. they had the antidote and they were just hiding it so they didn't have to share it with anyone. China now appears to be safe and the economy is operating quite well. I think they will have to pay compensation to the countries heavily affected by covid in the future.

Trump is an economist, and his goal as president was to stem China's attempt to dominate. To do that, the US needs to maintain its economic strength to have a voice compared to China. But it seems that this is a wrong decision of Trump and people are increasingly infected with Corona virus more. It looks like Trump was too hasty in the decision this time.

Yeah, it was also a really short bit, a 20 second minute filler seemed to be taken quite out of proportion by all the media...



Every other country was quite slow to react (South Korea seemed quite quick but still not entirely).

The UK and a lot of Europe already had stockpiles due to political tensions that could arise from brexit in the immediate term.... China should've implemented a lockdown sooner but as soon as other countries knew about the virus I think they shouldn't shut their borders to anything passengers and send an alert to their citizens in other countries to get in contact with an allied embassy there and their insurance provider...

don't know what else to do. For example, whether to hold responsibility for all the causes of this plague that made all the conditions change in various countries, but it was not possible if all this was borne by itself because of a result covid-19 originated this

The People's Republic of China should be sanctioned due to the outcome of their incompetence and selfishness act. They should be the one who started the lockdowns and not allowing their citizens to go around the world.

Ugh.  I watched that statement on Youtube and then all the media reaction to it--and as much as I loathe Trump, he wasn't exactly suggesting that citizens pump themselves full of drain cleaner or somehow infuse virus-killing UV light into their bodies.

The fact is that Trump is not a scientist, and he was thinking out loud about things he probably should have kept his mouth shut about--but rarely does he do that on any topic. 

And OP, this is an intelligent thread about COVID-19, not some idiotic shitposter-bait one created by a signature spammer.  No worries from me about that.

The truth still remains that the whole facts and truth concerning the outbreak of corona virus have not fully be expressed. It's even hard choosing what to believe anymore as many evidence are arising showing where it started and alot more countering the evidence that stated where it started. I just hope we tackle this real soon and get back to normalcy soonest.

Lots of conspiracies that floats around from 5G to that thing that had mentioned on OP.I dont care that much for now for those issues yet the thing we all need is the cure or vaccine for this virus.
This wont really stop until that vaccine would be created and i do have also those questions on mind why other countries(including my country) do already making such decisions on lifting the
enhance quarantine or lockdown even though the case havent still get to 0 which means it can potentially spread out even if theres only one spreader on a certain area.A total non-sense kind of decision to e made.

Biological warfare has been a thing for years, even in second world war there was a biological warfare going around, and the peak was probably Vietnam war when Americans dropped with "Agent Orange" over 4 million people were exposed, that is a bigger number than what we have in 2020 with corona virus, right now there are about 3.3 million infected with corona and that stopped the whole world, people are staying at home and flights are cancelled and many are isolated, that is 3.3 million, Agent Orange was 4 million and wasn't a big deal only because it happened in one nation and it was done by USA so nobody really cared.

We all see the war movies from USA perspective, think about all the Vietnamese people who had to go through a war with a nation that has a bigger army than next 26 combined. So, biological warfare is not something new I am afraid, been around for a long time.

Maybe it's not as bad as you think?
Yes, China is guilty in the fact of occurrence of the current situation it is an indisputable fact (and I very much hope that he will be punished for that).
Yes, people are dying (but the risk group is the elderly and people who have some other current diseases, people with weak immune systems).
Perhaps I will seem very rude and I will be hated but such situations are still useful to the planet. A sharp renewal of the population (on a historical scale, of course - you will see, in a year the results of isolation and the next baby boom will go). In countries with a high percentage of the elderly population who sit on pensions cost of payments will be lower.
In economic terms, the economy can't exist without a crisis and oil + virus gave the global market a big shake-up. After the recovery, growth will start again, taking into account past mistakes, and many roads will open for new entrepreneurs.
I believe that COVID is a difficult test, but it have own advantages. IMHO

I am sure there will be a lot of investigation after this.
What if it is really a weapon and just used that market as an alibi.

Authorities which do international investigations cannot move right now because of flights being denied.
I don't want to really have a deep thought about it but this could start a war that will be worse than this pandemic if facts of it being a weapon suddenly comes out.
I am just speculating but I have real doubts that it came from their delicacies.
Bat soup for example. It went to a boiling point if I am not mistaken, so that the taste will be combined to the soup.
So why? Bacteria don't live in a boiling point and so does the corona virus.

They better keep this all in a good confidential room or else someone will dig it.
It means real war if proven.

So what should be the next thing to do after the virus is gone in our countries?
Better save some food that will last for a long time. Dig that bunker deeper too in case they are now using more equipped technologies.
Scary, but it might happen.

the beginning of the outbreak began in Wuhan and they could quickly settle in ways that had to be recognized very well, so that they did not drag on. but not with other countries that are now almost all infected, shocked because they did not think that this pandemic could be more dangerous than bird flu. all affected countries look unprepared and do not even think about the magnitude of the impact.
all methods are done and tried with various protocol rules made with "Lockdown" or "Stay Home", but can not also solve the problem because each country will be different to reveal. If a developing country is carried out "Lockdown" the state must prepare funds for those who cannot afford to live, otherwise there will be a disaster for the poor to starve and there will be chaos and fear.

many countries blamed China with this outbreak because it was alleged that they were not forthright and open with this pandemic, some even accused because China wanted to control the economy. where they are now better equipped than newly infected countries. but there is no strong evidence of this to accuse China of doing so, even though the US and European countries are already demanding compensation.

hope this pandemic ends soon and WHO is helped by countries that understand more about pandemic to find drugs or serums so that the pandemic can be dealt with quickly.

"Stay Home"
if you really need to travel, don't forget your mask

There is a fake fact that we received about the corona pandemic. Let's agree to move on from negative news about Corona and focus on resolving a pandemic by looking at a number of countries that are successful in preventing a pandemic. The main reason many countries are not open to the number of pandemic victims is to avoid chaos and keep saving the face of a government that has failed to stem the coronavirus. Many governments use economic calculations to solve humanitarian problems, so it is too late to take decisive action which ultimately results in greater losses.

A story from one of my buyers in Ho Chi Minh City that out of a total of 90 million inhabitants, only 270 people were affected by Corona and all of them survived, no one died, even though Vietnam borders directly with China. Since last Monday, Vietnam has been active since the lockdown for three weeks. My buyer thinks that in Indonesia conditions are very tense because the number of sufferers reaches 10,000 people.

Finally, we exchanged information on how to handle a pandemic in our respective countries. My buyer told me that the school was immediately closed since January when 10 positive people found corona until now. Even an area with a population of 10,000 people was isolated in mid-February to prevent the spread of corona. Vietnamese lockdown is similar to lockdown in Wuhan. Many airlines have been suspended, a two-week quarantine program for migrants from the red region and a ban on the export of wild animals.

Wuhan is now almost normal after 76 days of lockdown. So whatever news about corona in China can be accessed, there is no magic happening in China, only a combination of technology, management, and leadership to solve the Corona pandemic. Many world leaders underestimate the nature of making strategic decisions that cause complications to spread to domestic economic and political problems. In the end, what the government did that failed was to find a scapegoat instead of copying the steps of countries that were successful in suppressing corona.

They were suffering from virus (and still are I am sure) as any other country out there, perhaps they've lost even more than any other country since their working power was their economy engine all the way and now it is still partially shut down.
Clearly there is something governments does not want us to know about, but I don't believe it is about virus' origins and/or amount of people ill out there.
They probably are hiding how much money they've lost during this quarantine because people would freak out

According to what I heard, Wuhan in China was on lockdown when the virus started. I think they were able to withhold the virus from spreading to their other states by immediately locking down Wuhan and preventing movements.And of course, I have read a lot of people say that the China created the virus.

A lot of things has been said about this and people who say it usually point out valid points on what made them make such statements. There were lots of journalists and doctors that went missing after they tried to let the world know about the virus. This makes it seem like they were trying to cover up about the virus and has silenced those scientists and journalists.

WHat no way. I could have sworn I saw Trump boasting about the lawsuit in some sort of a press conference. AM I tripping???

I agree that focusing anger on china would be pretty much useless, what good is a lawsuit when your economy tumbling down the road.

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So I saw a documentary on netlflix on this whole thing, and interestingly enough, there were teams in China that were examining bats in underground caves in china, and as a matter of fact they came across this virus and at the moment they didn't find it deadly enough to cause a pandemic and they labeled it as a low risk virus. And once this outbreak occured and they tested the well known Covid-19 with their tests, there was a 96% similarity to the virus they had previously discovered. ALSO, the doctor who wanted to warn regarding this whole virus got threatened by the chinese police to not ensue this matter, and ergo thats how this whole spread went from bad to worse. The doctor is now dead from the virus. So yeah, China could have definitely avoided all this.

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Yeah, I totally remember him saying:

Funny how you bring up what Trump was tweeting when you were doing the same after he was getting serious ..Ironic, isn't it?

And yeah, China could have prevented it!
If they would have kept their word after SARS. Close the damn stinky markets! But that is what the CCP is doing, promising, and doing the opposite.
If they would have kept their word none of this shit would have ever happened!!!!!

And this is my last intervention about politics here, you have your view about China and the West I have my own and 3 pages should have proved we won't be changing them.
 
At least economical we are on the same page book.
Back to it:


Border control will probably keep people inside, and keep the workforce there..man...this sounds really bad, really bad, it's like keeping them there so they could provide cheap labor, in reality, is the way things are but still, we all know it's happening, but it's still wrong.

Now I wanted to add something, about this workforce and industry shift...
In the long term the plan will not work in any country.

Let's take for example the eastern block.
People first moved factories to the first line, the Czech Republic, Hungary and then those become expensive, and they've moved them again then the border and even the poorest regions become too expensive. If you're going to bring a car plant in a region it will require specialized force, not the packaging factory worker, those people ask for more money and are paid more to be kept, even in SE Asia it's the same. With that, you have higher wages, more purchasing power by a group, a rise in demand for products, a rise in prices, and thus pushing the lower-income employee's in a worse situation than before as nobody is going to work in a garment factory for 400 euros when they know Michelin is paying 1000 for the same hard work.

The more factories appear, demand, and offer a kick in, driving up wages and pushing industries that need unspecialized workers out of business.

The exodus to Mexico will be short-lived, that's why I'm betting on India and Bangladesh with an insane reservoir of cheap workers for years to come, people that, as bad as it sounds, have no other option than a 300$ a month paycheck.Sad, unfair, and everything else, but I think this is how things will go unless a huge breakthrough in robotics, which will not help them at all and even make things worse.

And as a conclusion to the first post fo the topic.
No, the US won't be getting back even 1% of its industry and manufacturing from China.

Maybe. The number of illegal immigrants in the US (who are mostly from Mexico) is down ~7.5% since 2007. Migration from Mexico to the US has drastically declined in recent years in general. It all depends on the US labor market and economic conditions in Mexico. Increased border enforcement in recent years will probably continue pressuring those numbers down too.


Yep, how capital intensive an industry is would be a big determining factor. It's obvious any exodus from China would be limited, although that may be enough to affect their growth model.


In December, the corona virus was literally unknown, yet to be isolated or understood. It's extremely unfair to compare that period to January, when Western countries were fully apprised about the pathogen and the risks involved.

Even still, the time from December 1st to Hubei lockdown on January 23rd = 53 days.

Meanwhile, Western officials were aware of the risk in late December. What did they do? Trump told everyone there was nothing to worry about for months, no travel restrictions until February, no lockdowns until the third week of March, leading to massive public gatherings such as this one which underpinned NYC's explosion in cases a few weeks later.

CDC/NIH informed on December 31st to first US lockdown on March 19th = 79 days.

In late February, notable Italian officials were engaging in publicized handshaking, encouraging the public not to socially distance. National lockdown occurred on March 9th, so that's 69 days.

If the Chinese had not handed Western countries the SARS-CoV-2 genome and informed them of the likelihood of human-to-human transmission, Western countries would have taken even longer to react since their policy was to do absolutely nothing until a local epidemic had already appeared.

If the outbreak occurred in the West, the response would have been much, much slower than China. That much is obvious.


How does that make singular cases (such as the December 1st case you mention) easier to identify as the potential source of a novel epidemic, when the pathogen is unknown and can't be readily tested for? Comparing the number of types of infectious vs. noninfectious is meaningless. What matters is actual prevalence.

In one off cases of pneumonitis, if a patient doesn't respond to antibiotics or test positive for known pathogens, the evidence points to a noninfectious condition unless some actual epidemiologic data suggests otherwise.

This epidemiologic data did not obviously appear until around December 30th, when doctors including Li Wenliang recognized and reported 7 confirmed cases of SARS-like coronavirus seemingly associated with the Huanan Seafood Market.

It sounds like you expect any patient who ever develops ILI or pneumonia to be rigorously studied for the possibility of a novel pathogen. That's not done in any country, and certainly not in China. In most ILI cases, doctors don't even do laboratory testing to determine the actual cause!


Not the point:


Sure, China is untrustworthy. That doesn't mean China could have prevented the pandemic, as you have been asserting. Every step of the way, Western governments acted as if they were determined to worsen the pandemic. And that's exactly what happened.

I don't bother playing the blame game. It instills irrational anger and hatred and accomplishes nothing. China and the West are both to blame, but Western countries handled the pandemic decidedly worse than China, which makes the China finger pointing all the more ridiculous.

Unfortunately, things don't work as simple as that.
You mentioned Eastern Europe, with wages half of those of the western part you would think  Romania and Bulgaria would be flooded with factories, right?
Well, there is a tiny problem...
Most of them have fled to the western part of the EU, some 6 million according to sources, 6 million out of 20!!!
I didn't believe at first when somebody told me that they are granting 30k licenses for foreign workers out of South Asia because they lack people.
https://asiatimes.com/2019/11/romania-hungary-fill-labor-shortage-with-asians/

Same for Mexico, sooner or later almost all of the working force will think of crossing the border.

What you need is a workforce that is a prisoner in its country, where there is an insane reservoir of workers that move only by the approval of the state, the 300 million migrant workers of China, and ....a country where as long as you pay you can beak the law (forget labor laws, pollution, and everything that comes with them) One of my friends has worked for 10 years in a petrochemical factory in a 3rd world country, they were dumping all the waste as certain hours, and after that, they would call the inspectors and they would give them, yeah, they would give them the samples of water that they have to test!!!

Apart from car manufacturers or electronics, low-cost manufacturing will never leave south asia and then only to head for Africa..
You simply need nothing more than a cheap workforce with no unions and a government that can be bribed for everything....or ...robots!  

Iphones, they could start manufacturing those in Mexico or Bulgaria, 1euro slippers...nope!


Start the timeline in December, don't forget about the US soldiers that bought the virus in November   , don't forget about the death of Li, and the hot pot celebrating the communist party achievements in Wuhan.


Hihi, stop here!
There are only 7 types of known IIP which is one of the 32 types of pneumonia by cause, compared to more than one thousand for infectious ones.
The simple fact they claimed that they discovered another non-transmiting one would have been a medical breakthrough!!!
We have silver that is not silver!!!!

Common, they have bullshiting us for months, and nobody trusts a thing they say. Well...except for some around here!

The fact that we really don't know what was the real cause of this COVID is very strange. A lot of conspiracy theories raise their understanding together with their information that supports the idea that this virus is not came genetic mutation from animals but rather a man made viruses. However many people around the world believe that this is not deliberated, but some people speculate that this is created by human as a biochemical weapon that engineered to to kill thousands or even a million people.

Low labor cost countries are also plagued by low labor productivity. Maybe instead of countries chasing low labor costs, they will continue a shift towards regional models in an attempt to cut down on local supply chain costs and tariffs. Mexico offers the best of both worlds, with better wage to productivity ratio than China, Vietnam, or India and also very low/no tariffs. It's a triple whammy when you consider its proximity to the US:


They did not say there was no human-to-human transmission. They said they had found "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission" (yet) based on "preliminary investigations." https://twitter.com/who/status/1217043229427761152

The WHO actually informed the US and other countries of human-to-human transmission risk by January 10th. Western governments should have been addressing that risk absent confirmation, given SARS and MERS. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/who-cited-human-transmission-risk-in-january-despite-trump-claims

Let's look at the timeline of events.

• Li Wenliang's online chat room warning came on December 30th.
• The Pentagon was aware of growing reports of atypical pneumonia in Wuhan as of December 30th.
• China informed the WHO on December 31st about growing reports of atypical pneumonia of unknown origin.
• The CDC was officially informed on December 31st.
• Chinese doctors isolated the SARS-CoV-2 genome and identified it as a new coronavirus on January 7th, then began studying transmissibility.
• Thailand confirmed the first known case of the coronavirus outside China on January 13th.

Keep in mind, this was an unknown pathogen, never seen before in the world. There are millions of atypical pneumonia cases per year in China. Because of that, it would have been very difficult to recognize the possibility of novel infectious pathogen until a sufficiently large surge of cases triggered detection. The first cluster of cases' apparent relation to the Wuhan Seafood Market initially made it appear the outbreak was foodborne.

We now know the corona virus is characterized by asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic viral shedding by much of the infected population for long periods. Up to 14 day incubation time! This made it even harder to detect before it had already widely spread. This is why there was an epic failure to contain it all over the world, including but not limited to China. We also know the coronavirus was circulating in other countries by very early January.

It's tempting to play the blame game but that's a really compressed timeline for us to assume any other outcome was possible since the pathogen was still unidentified and transmissibility unknown in early January. For countries like the US who were grossly unprepared and didn't heed any of the warnings anyway, it's hard to believe they could have stopped it regardless of what happened in China.

There is a prevailing assumption that China could have prevented the pandemic after the outbreak occurred. I think that's naive, given everything we now know. Did China make mistakes, could they have been more forthright? Absolutely! That doesn't change the fact that the pathogen had already widely spread (beyond China) before China had even begun to understand it. At that point, western countries still did almost nothing to stop its spread until national epidemics had already appeared.

China is not on lockdown because if they are that means it would look like they are still carrying the virus and that would prevent them from selling stuff which they have to do in order to keep feeding billions of people, so they are making it look like everything is doing great in order sell stuff.

We all know wet market is real, there is also genocide going on, and saying something bad about the government will get you and your family killed, a ton of stuff are hushed hushed in China that the world is not speaking, not much you can do about it when politicians let it be to not anger their Chinese rich friends who provide them with cheap stuff.

Moreover people are idiots, that is why lockdowns are getting more relaxed, and I actually support it, idiots who will go outside will die, smart people who stay inside will live, Darwinism wins in the end.

Oh , really...
The first case, 1 December, nothing....doctors that dared to say anything were silenced, 30 December although they had hundred of cases they reported to the WHO there is no human to human transmission. 10 days later, they retracted that and said it is contagious.
Let's say all this is because it was something new, they didn't have a clue, but here is one that maybe will make you see things in a different way:


Oh, so if this bs wouldn't have happened in the first place there wouldn't have been any need for other measures to show how powerful and dedicated the CCP is.
Now back to the economic view, since we're in the Economic sections and not P&S


Browsing through the news and reading the names of the ones impacted by this seems like China managed to shot itself in the foot, although with one nice ricochet.

There will be no de-chinafication, nothing on that scale will happen because countries will try to bribe the industry back to Europe and Us.
This is daydreaming, but something pretty interesting might come out of this whole mess.

During a crisis, the middle class is the one getting the short straw, and this is the main target of Chinese exports. The poor already don't have that money to spend, the luxury sector thrives even during these times as rich people losing half of their money means they can only buy 20 private jets, not 10 and most of their merchandise is not Chinese.
With demand for cheaper stuff, there will be demand for cheaper labor, Bangladesh is already closing in on garment exports competing with China, Malaysia is becoming a leader in rubber and latex products, they are already the largest condom and gloves manufacturers, they are producing tons of other petrochemical products, Vietnam is also producing a lot of stuff from cheap plastic items to clothes and shoes for western brands, and they all do it cheaper.  And then...there is India!!!

With the demand split between upper products and cheap as possible junk, China who has tried for years to position itself in the middle and trying to increase wages to stimulate internal consume might get caught on the wrong foot.

It won't be a case of patriotism or of racist thinking but more based on costs.
And for quite a few years China is not that attractive anymore, with even more pressure applied I can see their leaders banging their head against the GWC till it turns to ruble for how they handled this.

 

Please, I hope they be sincere and not to make substance that be dangerous to human being and society too. The world is already facing instability in every area. We want a sincere vaccine and good for every continent of the world.

China makes vaccines for the corona virus, scientists there test vaccines for volunteers, and it seems the US also doesn't want to lose to China and makes the corona vaccine.
these two countries are CHINA and the US, competing to make covid-19 vaccines that are safe for the human body,


California, Florida, Texas, Arizona, Colorado, Montana, Washington, Tennessee, and Illinois saw protesters gather in large numbers - many who did not practice social distance or followed government guidelines intended to prevent the spread of the corona virus - demanding that their governor reopen states.
news source https://www.newsweek.com/protest-lockdown-stay-home-orders-coronavirus-covid-19-texas-california-1498897

I guess it is not worth comparing China and Italy or Spain. The first ever COVID-19 case was in China. Where specifically in Wuhan it actually originated, I know not, but that type of corona virus was novel. It was not recorded in any book yet. Therefore, China was facing something new. It didn't have any clue at first. It had to familiarize itself with the enemy while already facing it. They started from scratch. When the spread of the virus reached Italy and Spain, it was not a completely strange virus anymore. Somehow, the cases in China have already taught them a lot.


How about this: if the government wouldn't have lied nothing would have happened?