Topic: [OLD][CSC]CasinoCoin ♠ A Digital Currency For The Regulated Online Gaming Sector - page 186. (Read 343080 times)

I wasn't suggesting C-CEX was scammy.  It's just that if scammy exchanges do hear about such things it would be quite easy to fake a similar scenario in the future in order to extort coins from us.

It's quite simple, the party that made the error should carry the burden of the cost.  Exchanges are in the business of listing and updating coins as needed; and this exchange simply failed to do their job properly.

I don't see what's left to discuss, they need to reimburse their customers [before the price sky-rockets] or not; it's their choice.

c-cex is not a scammy exchange imho
i lost coins too and i see both sides of the coin no pun intended

Re-reading C-Cex's initial post it's clear this happened because they didn't update their wallet in time (by their own admission). As such my vote, as someone who lost coins because of this (if my vote even matters being that these coins were the first CSC I ever mined and I'm new to the CSC community) is that the rest of the coin holders should not be asked to take on the burden of dilution due to the error of the exchange.

C-Cex can either reimburse me for my missing coins or I'll just not deal with them again and use other exchanges.

This would be akin to a bank screwing up a deposit because they didn't update their systems in time and instead of crediting my account from their own funds, asked the other account holders to split the difference.


 

The burden of competence of any exchange falls on that particular exchange.

Gox customers will not be reimbursed by the Bitcoin protocol via additional dilution.  It sounds to me like the exchange dropped the ball and now we have to be diluted for their error.  

Crypto currencies are not a communist program [yet].

Finally, 1.3 million coins is less than 5 BTC, a small price for a careless error.


Regards...


Edit:  This would set a dangerous precedent opening up the possibility of fraud and extortion by scammy exchanges.

So I just posted above but I've been thinking about this more. As someone who lost 1,300 CSC coins due to this snafu, I suppose it really comes down to responsibility. Since I'm new to mining and learning about all of this, was this caused by an error due to the exchange (in this case C-Cex)? If so, then it would seem that they should be responsible for the reimbursement of lost coins. Being a believer in free markets, and assuming my understanding of this situation is correct, then C-Cex has two choices - and their consumers can respond accordingly. They either eat it and reimburse due to their error or they can take the stance that they won't issue reimbursement/compensation and risk people saying "well, that's the last time I deal with C-Cex" and take their coin exchanging business elsewhere. Again, I'm new to this so all of what I just said assumes that the onus of all of this is on C-Cex. My position would be different if this was caused by a coding/developer issue.

Can someone explain what exactly happened to bring us to this discussion so I can better understand why my CSC coins I transferred to C-Cex just never made it there? Thanks in advance!

http://csc.blockexp.info/tx/d10c284dd3042035fcd2e900f826c7940dc8dbe3839cb2e17aaef4cc7a48ab20#o1

Just to be clear, Casinocoin and I haven't agreed to generate 1.3m new coins or reimburse customer losses at c-cex. My opinion  is that even though doing so is possible, but I cannot unilaterally decide to spontaneously generate 1.3m (5%) new coins and frankly I'm not sure that it is necessarily good for us to insure users of the coin. This why I suggested that c-cex discuss this on the boards to see if people support his request and asked him to publicly devulge the details his situation.
 
For now, I will refrain from giving any further opinion. I would like the community to discuss this openly with c-cex until we generate a general consensus for either doing what he requests or not doing anything. This is really up to you guys. So please give your opinions.

Sorry to see this happen but them are the breaks.... Cryptsy has had to eat it when this has happened to them in the past. Would think it's part of the risk you take on when running an exchange. I've had it happen to me personally on other coins so I understand the frustration.

Don't mean to sound "frank" but those are my thoughts. I realize it is an extraordinary case and don't know the right answer but to dilute the coin by making code changes does not seem like the right way to solve it. I'm already uncomfortable with all these coins changing their distribution/reward lately.

If only Mt. Gox had thought of this approach, maybe they'd still be open...

This is from last week. I have been working on getting my coins back for 3 weeks now.



I have bought over 100,000 in the past weeks and sent them from c-cex to cryptsy and 1 other wallet. Absolutely nothing has been done and they state they have been talking to you guys to reimburse everyone who has bought coins from may 19th.

I was the one who brought v.1.2 to their attention, they didn't even know they had to update. Now with 3 transactions lost in the blockchain somewhere they say they can't do anything. WTF?

Over 80k coins were going to friends, colleagues and start ups to promote the coin, losing steam here. Total of 107,000+ CSC Coins lost.

-54880.02 CSC to CWoydPBNMifhpShiLQ5d68H69Z4bGJV1yd (a5cb9f38375d41947b6079a1304d25b9c6ee9dcbb21558336dcd69b60fcaadf6)      -54880.02 CSC
2014-06-17 13:08:05   Withdrawal

-29497.6920416 CSC to CWoydPBNMifhpShiLQ5d68H69Z4bGJV1yd (c40de4e46f7030d5405609c5dfb6bf8c95b2565655dfbaae2267181ecc22a737)      -29497.6920416 CSC
2014-06-14 15:47:03   Withdrawal

-22958.64 CSC to CXfrGLTnia8mudosmfqVFjvmn8FRYM2e53 (c2f9c0b1d597538aa6f94403329bc194ff6399fcd44610b7a8ba2fe88be63639)      -22958.64 CSC
2014-06-14 15:20:33   Withdrawal

Lostcoast

I don't care. Would be nice if we can help c-cex with any kind of valid/acceptable development?

In the mean time, hows the development going for the new wallet? Any progress? I signed up for the news letters, but didn't receive any new information about the coin. When will there be any info sent to the public?

I'm missing 25 million CSC (out of the current ~23 million outstanding]

Here's my Address:  CthisBullshitIsTooEasy$&98734


Much appreciated.

I would certainly appreciate this as I'm missing 1,300 CSC coins. While that may not sound like much to some, I'm just getting into mining and this experience has been incredibly off-putting. This wasn't an issue with my mining pool but was a problem with the exchange (in this case C-Cex). While we can mine coins without mining pools, without the support and trust in exchanges the coins become useless (in the absence of some other way to share/trade them with one another).

http://csc.blockexp.info/tx/d10c284dd3042035fcd2e900f826c7940dc8dbe3839cb2e17aaef4cc7a48ab20#o1

whoops.. sorry guys, I forgot to give you my address for the 1.5mil deposit 

CSC - CWSBVHsf9S6eUpU5bgPtrz6dR5EVX7FfH1

uh, yeah.. I lost about 1.5mil coins during the update too, anyone here care to give them back to me 

but yeah, seriously it was about 5K because the pool i was mining did the transfer during the middle of the update and were on the wrong fork.. after re-scan wallet they were just gone, I don't mine there anymore.. likewise, if an exchange was having problems and then going back to the devs for huge coins, they better have a lot of public justification, or it seems scammish to me, and I wouldn't go there either..

I am customer of C-Cex. I bought about 33016 CSC and withdraw it to my wallet and to cryptsy. No one transaction is not confirmed.
2014-06-13 11:05:11   Withdrawal   -27527.15821143 CSC to CPusiJDMKueZe39HMgXqCpUqtqAUEpGKgn (a6c5066767869205bd976d2cc9c2d943dddfee86076ff52e86d80065ec6f364e)   
2014-06-13 19:38:33   Withdrawal   -5489 CSC to CZQzKRyvapbCYhBR45JksmBNhFjFbL29qx (112a255ed9c01e333a93663e9b3cbe943da7600124dcbc3ce0dbc3b3699268cb)   

Oh and barbeq just made his first post ever on bitcointalk.org and BillTech has not been active on the CSC forum either so to me it seems your votes are not valid here, .... maybe you are customers of c-cex?

I am not so sure yet, ... 1.3 million coins is quite a bit and i would like to know a bit more about those customers. Everybody active in the cryptocurrency knows by now that you need to be actively involved in the community if you either mine or trade certain coins in large quantities. If i have issues with my mining pool i am sure i would have to solve it myself and if i lost 1 million coins of users i would either have to pay those myself or loose all my users because of it. I do not think the community would rush to help me solve the problems, .... eventhough i have been supporting this coin from december onwards taking losses on running a pool that does not cover its running costs. But as i am into this coin for the long run as others supporting CSC i take my loss for now and hope it will give me an edge in the future if the coin starts to be profitable. So just giving the coins like that sounds a bit too easy for me! Anyway, ... in this case i would like to know:
- are we talking about 1 or 2 or a lot of customers that have their coins missing?
- are those customers prepared to disclose their identity (either to all or a few main coin devs)
- supply the transaction id's of the transactions in question here

If you or your customers do not want to supply that information publically i would want to receive that privately and investigate a bit futher the transactions behind those 1.3 million coins before deciding if i would agree to giving those coins.

Do not get me wrong that i know it is very important to have exchanges like c-cex onboard with CSC but we are talking a lot of coins here ...

ok with me

sounds fair to me

I'm here to start discussion about situation we have on c-cex with Casino coin.

1. When hard fork occured in may, 19 I was not notified about that, later I was warned by customers that CSC need's update and when I checked CSC thread as usual I took sources from here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anncsc-casinocoin-the-premiere-coin-for-casino-gaming-kimoto-enabled-258090 and recompiled it thinking that everything is ok.

2. Wallet worked fine, as I understand now on wrong fork, all transactions got confirmed. We had deposits and withdrawals on this wrong chain. We had some problems with withdrawals and deposits with users using very new wallet but there was a few of them.

3. In mid of June I got in touch with new owners of CSC and realized that infact there is newer version than I had from https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anncsc-casinocoin-the-premiere-coin-for-casino-gaming-kimoto-enabled-258090 I recompiled it immediately and got huge discrepancy of CSC. New wallet's balance become 28944 CSC instead of 1356475 CSC it should have to cover user's balances and initiated withdrawals that sent to wrong chain. So now we have discrepancy of 1327531 CSC.

4. Solution is simple. I would like to request CSC dev to include this coins for c-cex customers to new blockchain. It is technicaly possible and dev is ok with that, but this needs to be aproved by CSC community.

I hope You will approve it and our customer's will be able to use their CSC that they should have.